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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: 7even on June 18, 2008, 05:21:25 PM
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It's interesting that Kobe can opt out after 2008/09, and that the Blazers have INSANE cap room at the exact same time. So if the Lakers get owned East Coast Style again, it would be easy to switch teams, have excellent teammates and get mad dough for Kobe.
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portland would be dumb to take him. he's a cancer in the loccer room, loves to humiliate his teammates, and when he cant carry a team to a win as a leader he blames all of them, strait throws them under a bus.
the blazers got hella young talent and should try to find a all star guard with size who isn't a bitchy, egotistical diva. let kobe keep losin in LA. his stocc fell bigtime in these finals. all the tv, internet and radio shows are sayin it. he got exposed as a trade demandin diva and overrated leader. show him a tough double team and he falls apart.
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
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portland would be dumb to take him. he's a cancer in the loccer room, loves to humiliate his teammates, and when he cant carry a team to a win as a leader he blames all of them, strait throws them under a bus.
the blazers got hella young talent and should try to find a all star guard with size who isn't a bitchy, egotistical diva. let kobe keep losin in LA. his stocc fell bigtime in these finals. all the tv, internet and radio shows are sayin it. he got exposed as a trade demandin diva and overrated leader. show him a tough double team and he falls apart.
Who's paying you, man? LeBron??
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wow thats a great thought
KOBE on the Blazers = dynasty
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL. Nobodys getting punked with Bynum...maybe with us tryna pass Gasol off as a starting center, but not with Bynum...PeACe
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL.
if we wants a ring he'll do it
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL.
if we wants a ring he'll do it
Kobe will retire a Laker with AT LEAST 3 more rings under his belt...Mark it.
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL.
if we wants a ring he'll do it
Kobe will retire a Laker with AT LEAST 3 more rings under his belt...Mark it.
do the Lakers have a trade for Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler in the works???
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL.
if we wants a ring he'll do it
Kobe will retire a Laker with AT LEAST 3 more rings under his belt...Mark it.
do the Lakers have a trade for Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler in the works???
No, but they'll have the best starting 5 in the NBA next season. 8)
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NO I DONT THINK HE'LL GO TO THE BLAZERS
HE'S GONNA CONTINUE LOSING WITH THE LAKERS AS HE HAS BEEN SINCE SHAQ LEFT
EVENTUALLY THE LAKERS MIGHT BRING IN ANOTHER SUPERSTAR THAT WILL LEAD THE TEAM, AND KOBE CAN RIDE HIM TO A CHAMPIONSHIP AND COME UP ON ANOTHER RING. BUT BY THEN HE'LL BE OLD AND WASHED UP AND NIGGAS LIKE CHRIS PAUL AND LEBRON WILL BE RUNNING THE LEAGUE AND KOBE WILL JUST DISAPPEAR DURING GAMES HOLDING ONTO PHIL JACKSONS ARM ASKING HIM WHY THE OTHER TEAM IS BEING SO CLASSLESS WHEN THEY WHOOP THE LAKERS ASS
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LOL@thinking Kobe would play with a small-market team like Portland...and LMAO@thinking Kobe's gunna leave behind a roster that made the NBA Finals without its second best player, which also happens to be the second youngest roster in the league. ROF@this thread.
So you're saying he's an attention whorin' diva who ain't about winning first?
All I'm saying is that it will be VERY frustrating for Kobe if they get punked again with Bynum (who you hold sooo high) dominating (lol). And the thing with the Blazers' cap space situation comes in handy...
No, I'm saying no one wants to live in Portland when they've lived in LA their whole life...LOL.
if we wants a ring he'll do it
Kobe will retire a Laker with AT LEAST 3 more rings under his belt...Mark it.
do the Lakers have a trade for Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler in the works???
No, but they'll have the best starting 5 in the NBA next season. 8)
CELTICS STARTING 5 >>> LAKERS STARTING 5
I DON'T THINK BYNUM'S CLUMSY ASS WILL CHANGE THAT
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Bynum is now clumsy? LOL. These haters will say ANYTHING.
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
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^How the hell could Randolph stay with the Blazers for so long then?
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^How the hell could Randolph stay with the Blazers for so long then?
Pritchard wasn't the GM yet. Pritchard took over as GM for the 2006 draft which got us 2 of the best 3 rookies out of the class. Pritchard is also the guy who managed to get rid of ZBO and his INSANE contract for Francis (contract expires 2 years earlier saving Portland something like 20+ million) and got Frye and a Trade exception in the process which netted James Jones and Rudy Fernandez, turned Sebastian Telfair into Brandon Roy, turned Tyrus Thomas into LaMarcus Aldridge, convinced Przybilla to sign in Portland for less money when he was being offered more money to play in San Antonio, and basically is solely responsible for the turnaround Portland has made over the last 2 years. And for the record, when he was a scout under GM John Nash in 2005, Pritchard wanted to draft Chris Paul at #3 instead of trading down to #6 and taking Martel Webster. I'm pretty sure that is why he took the reigns over from John Nash.
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If KObe leaves its probbaly to the knicks. KNcks will have to do something big when the Nets move to Brooklyn and sign Lebron.
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NO I DONT THINK HE'LL GO TO THE BLAZERS
HE'S GONNA CONTINUE LOSING WITH THE LAKERS AS HE HAS BEEN SINCE SHAQ LEFT
EVENTUALLY THE LAKERS MIGHT BRING IN ANOTHER SUPERSTAR THAT WILL LEAD THE TEAM, AND KOBE CAN RIDE HIM TO A CHAMPIONSHIP AND COME UP ON ANOTHER RING. BUT BY THEN HE'LL BE OLD AND WASHED UP AND NIGGAS LIKE CHRIS PAUL AND LEBRON WILL BE RUNNING THE LEAGUE AND KOBE WILL JUST DISAPPEAR DURING GAMES HOLDING ONTO PHIL JACKSONS ARM ASKING HIM WHY THE OTHER TEAM IS BEING SO CLASSLESS WHEN THEY WHOOP THE LAKERS ASS
LOLLLLL
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
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If KObe leaves its probbaly to the knicks. KNcks will have to do something big when the Nets move to Brooklyn and sign Lebron.
yeah kobes too big for a small market like LA
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
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If KObe leaves its probbaly to the knicks. KNcks will have to do something big when the Nets move to Brooklyn and sign Lebron.
He could only do some shady sign-and-trade (which I doubt the Lakers would do, as they don't want to see Kobe leave and Knicks Players are kinda so-so) or sign for the MLE which wouldn't be adequate, no matter how loaded the nigga already is.
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
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LOL DIS NIGGA NOW SAYIN NO1 EXPECTED THE LAKERS TO GO TO THE FINALS
AFTER THE GASOL TRADE ALL THE LAKER GROUPIES WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOT THE BEST SQUAD IN THE NBA
AND NOW AFTER THEY CHOKE COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM, ALL THESE EXCUSES POP UP
CELTICS >>>>>>>>>>> LAKERS
KG, RAY ALLEN, PAUL PIERCE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOBE, ODOM, GASOL
MJ >>>>>>>> KOBE
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
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LOL DIS NIGGA NOW SAYIN NO1 EXPECTED THE LAKERS TO GO TO THE FINALS
AFTER THE GASOL TRADE ALL THE LAKER GROUPIES WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOT THE BEST SQUAD IN THE NBA
AND NOW AFTER THEY CHOKE COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM, ALL THESE EXCUSES POP UP
CELTICS >>>>>>>>>>> LAKERS
KG, RAY ALLEN, PAUL PIERCE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOBE, ODOM, GASOL
MJ >>>>>>>> KOBE
Don't forget that we all thought Bynum was returning up until a few weeks back, pussy boy.
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
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LOL DIS NIGGA NOW SAYIN NO1 EXPECTED THE LAKERS TO GO TO THE FINALS
AFTER THE GASOL TRADE ALL THE LAKER GROUPIES WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOT THE BEST SQUAD IN THE NBA
AND NOW AFTER THEY CHOKE COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM, ALL THESE EXCUSES POP UP
CELTICS >>>>>>>>>>> LAKERS
KG, RAY ALLEN, PAUL PIERCE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOBE, ODOM, GASOL
MJ >>>>>>>> KOBE
Don't forget that we all thought Bynum was returning up until a few weeks back, pussy boy.
i told you back in march nigga was DONE FOR THE YEAR SON
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
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hey NIK
my boy Derek Jeter is viewed in the same light (clutch) in the baseball world as Kobe
Jeter has 4 titles (1996, 98, 99, 00) but hasn't won in years
doesn't mean he lost his drive
sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way....and sometimes Pau Gasol gets bullied by Kevin Garnett
phil jackson said the 24 point comeback "ripped the hearts out of us" (us=lakers)
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Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
NO NO REMEMBER ITS A COLLECTIVE TEAM EFFORT, HE DIDNT TAKE THE LAKERS TO THE FINALS, THE TEAM AS A WHOLE GOT ITSELF THERE... YEA IF ONLY EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA HAD HIS CHARACTER.. BEING A FUCKING COWARD AND SITTING ON THE BENCH TO WATCH YOUR TEAM GET SLAUGHTERED
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go celtics 8)
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LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
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Kobe currently has the strongest character in the league...
ahahah damn cuzz, i done seen it all now. i thought this jew could never take his kobe bryant diccrydin to new levels and he just proved me wrong.
even phil jaccson himself wrote a whole book about how kobe's selfish attitude, horrible character and huge ego broke up the lakers and caused him to have problems with everyone from shaq to karl malone to his own wife.
ask his wife and lil daughters if they daddy has good character when he rapes a bitch, gives up on his team (the game 7 against phx) and is always bitchin and cryin.
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
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It's interesting that Kobe can opt out after 2008/09, and that the Blazers have INSANE cap room at the exact same time. So if the Lakers get owned East Coast Style again, it would be easy to switch teams, have excellent teammates and get mad dough for Kobe.
Why should Kobe switch team? Lakers have Phil Jackson, Bynum, Gasol, Odom and reached the NBA Finals being the 2nd younger team in the League. I see no reasons to leave.
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
No. Separate. Character as in being a person of strong values and high ethical standards. Every player in the nba has a desire to win, so thats not going to separate one guy from the next. If you disagree with placing a premium on character (in this context) then thats fine, but I can tell you that it has worked out great for Pritchard and the Blazers since he took over in 2006. Kobe simply does not fit the movement in Portland. KP would easily pass on Kobe unless he came relatively cheap. The only guys from LA we are interested in are Westbrook and Mayo and chances are, we wont get them either.
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It's interesting that Kobe can opt out after 2008/09, and that the Blazers have INSANE cap room at the exact same time. So if the Lakers get owned East Coast Style again, it would be easy to switch teams, have excellent teammates and get mad dough for Kobe.
Why should Kobe switch team? Lakers have Phil Jackson, Bynum, Gasol, Odom and reached the NBA Finals being the 2nd younger team in the League. I see no reasons to leave.
Again, Portland is the 2nd youngest team in the league (behind Chicago I think). Now I doubt Kobe would want to switch teams, but some of the pluses of going to Portland include Roy, Oden, Aldridge, the richest owner in all of pro sports worldwide who isn't afraid to give a player the contract of his life (Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Darius Miles, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Grant, Shawn Kemp all had HUGE contracts) and rapable white women.
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It's interesting that Kobe can opt out after 2008/09, and that the Blazers have INSANE cap room at the exact same time. So if the Lakers get owned East Coast Style again, it would be easy to switch teams, have excellent teammates and get mad dough for Kobe.
Why should Kobe switch team? Lakers have Phil Jackson, Bynum, Gasol, Odom and reached the NBA Finals being the 2nd younger team in the League. I see no reasons to leave.
Again, Portland is the 2nd youngest team in the league (behind Chicago I think).
Ok. 3rd? It doesn't change a thing, man.
Now I doubt Kobe would want to switch teams, but some of the pluses of going to Portland include Roy, Oden, Aldridge, the richest owner in all of pro sports worldwide who isn't afraid to give a player the contract of his life (Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Darius Miles, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Grant, Shawn Kemp all had HUGE contracts) and rapable white women.
Ok, but keep in mind that Portland is a team who didn't reach the playoff: a lottery team. I know their young guys are very very skilled and promising, but the truth is that it's a lottery team. Why should Kobe start from zero AGAIN now that he's finally playing as the undisputed leader, as the MVP and as a star in a contending team who can do nothing but improve?
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It's interesting that Kobe can opt out after 2008/09, and that the Blazers have INSANE cap room at the exact same time. So if the Lakers get owned East Coast Style again, it would be easy to switch teams, have excellent teammates and get mad dough for Kobe.
Why should Kobe switch team? Lakers have Phil Jackson, Bynum, Gasol, Odom and reached the NBA Finals being the 2nd younger team in the League. I see no reasons to leave.
Again, Portland is the 2nd youngest team in the league (behind Chicago I think).
Ok. 3rd? It doesn't change a thing, man.
Now I doubt Kobe would want to switch teams, but some of the pluses of going to Portland include Roy, Oden, Aldridge, the richest owner in all of pro sports worldwide who isn't afraid to give a player the contract of his life (Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Darius Miles, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Grant, Shawn Kemp all had HUGE contracts) and rapable white women.
Ok, but keep in mind that Portland is a team who didn't reach the playoff: a lottery team. I know their young guys are very very skilled and promising, but the truth is that it's a lottery team. Why should Kobe start from zero AGAIN now that he's finally playing as the undisputed leader, as the MVP and as a star in a contending team who can do nothing but improve?
Well this is completely hypothetica and doesn't have the slightest chance of happening, but I'll humor you. The starting lineup in Portland if we picked up Kobe as a free agent would be:
Westbrook? Augustin? Gordon? Bayless? (KP is known for trading up on draft day, so those options arent as crazy as they seem. Should expect he'll make a move to grab at least one of them)
Roy
Kobe
Aldridge
Oden
Not exactly starting from scratch. Thats a starting lineup of one more all star than he had in his lineup in LA. now lets take a look at the bench unit:
Blake/Jack
Rudy Fernandez (3 MVP awards in Europe THIS SEASON ALONE)/Jack
Webster/Outlaw
Outlaw/Frye
Przybilla/Frye
Thats a deeper and more talented bench than LA currently has. That doesn't look like a bad situation at all.
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Like i said your team looks very promising, and i'm a fan of your coach too (i like defensive minded teams: San Antonio, Detroit, Portland, Boston..). But like you said it's not happening.
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Again niggas: WHY is it not happening from a Kobe-point-of-view? Let's keep in mind that I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009. I myself am convinced that Kobe will stay with the Lakers if they win the title in 2009. So don't even get at me for this. But if they get their ass spanked in the playoffs and Kobe feels like punching his teammates, why wouldn't he sign a lucrative contract with the team that my nigga Turf Hitta just posted up? There is NO BETTER OPTION. There might be other good teams, but they aren't as young and don't have nearly as much cap room. Plus in Portland, mostly good character guys with fresh legs are playing. Don't get me started about the situation with a team like the Knicks in comparison. So...
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portland would be dumb to take him. he's a cancer in the loccer room, loves to humiliate his teammates, and when he cant carry a team to a win as a leader he blames all of them, strait throws them under a bus.
the blazers got hella young talent and should try to find a all star guard with size who isn't a bitchy, egotistical diva. let kobe keep losin in LA. his stocc fell bigtime in these finals. all the tv, internet and radio shows are sayin it. he got exposed as a trade demandin diva and overrated leader. show him a tough double team and he falls apart.
DID U FORGET ABOUT BRANDON ROY? ???
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
No. Separate. Character as in being a person of strong values and high ethical standards. Every player in the nba has a desire to win, so thats not going to separate one guy from the next. If you disagree with placing a premium on character (in this context) then thats fine, but I can tell you that it has worked out great for Pritchard and the Blazers since he took over in 2006. Kobe simply does not fit the movement in Portland. KP would easily pass on Kobe unless he came relatively cheap. The only guys from LA we are interested in are Westbrook and Mayo and chances are, we wont get them either.
LOL@passing up Kobe for "character" issues, and going for OJ Mayo...Not saying Mayo is a bad guy, but he looks up to Kobe, along with many other players in this league. Put it this way...
Farmar>Jack
Kobe>Roy
Odom>Outlaw
Gasol>Aldridge
Bynum>Oden
:laugh:
Your GM would trade starting fives in a heartbeat if he had the chance...PeACe
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I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
No. Separate. Character as in being a person of strong values and high ethical standards. Every player in the nba has a desire to win, so thats not going to separate one guy from the next. If you disagree with placing a premium on character (in this context) then thats fine, but I can tell you that it has worked out great for Pritchard and the Blazers since he took over in 2006. Kobe simply does not fit the movement in Portland. KP would easily pass on Kobe unless he came relatively cheap. The only guys from LA we are interested in are Westbrook and Mayo and chances are, we wont get them either.
LOL@passing up Kobe for "character" issues, and going for OJ Mayo...Not saying Mayo is a bad guy, but he looks up to Kobe, along with many other players in this league. Put it this way...
Farmar>Jack
Kobe>Roy
Odom>Outlaw
Gasol>Aldridge
Bynum>Oden
:laugh:
Your GM would trade starting fives in a heartbeat if he had the chance...PeACe
Jack has been pretty good, i think Farmar will be better, but right now i dont think hes DEF better...
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
No. Separate. Character as in being a person of strong values and high ethical standards. Every player in the nba has a desire to win, so thats not going to separate one guy from the next. If you disagree with placing a premium on character (in this context) then thats fine, but I can tell you that it has worked out great for Pritchard and the Blazers since he took over in 2006. Kobe simply does not fit the movement in Portland. KP would easily pass on Kobe unless he came relatively cheap. The only guys from LA we are interested in are Westbrook and Mayo and chances are, we wont get them either.
LOL@passing up Kobe for "character" issues, and going for OJ Mayo...Not saying Mayo is a bad guy, but he looks up to Kobe, along with many other players in this league. Put it this way...
Farmar>Jack
Kobe>Roy
Odom>Outlaw
Gasol>Aldridge
Bynum>Oden
:laugh:
Your GM would trade starting fives in a heartbeat if he had the chance...PeACe
Jack has been pretty good, i think Farmar will be better, but right now i dont think hes DEF better...
Jack is garbage...I'd take Farmar over him any day. And if not, just switch that up to Fisher>Jack. :D
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^You say I'm a "diccryder", but you're seriously the biggest "diccryding" Kobe hater I've ever known in my life, cuzz. Phil "Jaccson" was on bad terms with Kobe, but they got cool after that and Phil "Jaccson" spilled all the beans about Shaq fucking the Lakers over when he was with the organization. That's besides the point...Everyone who knows Kobe knows he has strong character and is a very humble dude with a respected drive to succeed. If anyone questions Kobe's character and praises MJ, they are obviously some bitchel ass haters.
LOL there's no way A) Kobe would sign in Portland or B) Portland would sign Kobe. It simply wouldn't happen. Portland will be as much as 30 million under the cap in 09, so theoretically it could happen, but Kevin Pritchard places a very high premium on character (ie not publicly berating team mates, no rape cases, no prima donna attitude, no huge ego, etc) so while his talent is undeniable, its just not a good match from either side. Its not like we'll even need Kobe anyway. Chris Paul is more likely, but that is likely as much out of the question as Kobe because he's probably going to sign a huge extension before he becomes a free agent anyway. Igoudala wouldn't be too bad for a long term option at the 3 though.
LMAO@thinking Kevin Pritchard wouldn't shit his pants if he had a shot at Kobe...ahahahahahahah. That's like saying the Knicks wouldn't have wanted MJ on their team in the 90s. :stupid:
Trust me, if you knew anything at all about KP its that he will pass on great talent if the guy doesn't fit the culture of the team. He believes team chemistry is more important than the talent of any one player. He says as much in almost every interview he's in. For example:
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/index
Sorry to bust your bubble, but not everyone thinks of Kobe as highly as you do.
Everyone who knows a thing or two about Kobe knows he's a great leader and has excellent character...he brings the best out of his teammates and is an extremely motivational locker room presence. If Pritchard would pass up on Kobe for his character, then he'd also pass up on MJ and Magic, and he'd be a total idiot, which I find extremely hard to believe.
I think you can put the "great leader" and "gets the most out of his team mates" talk away for now at least. Like I said, KP is not taking on a guy who badmouths his team mates in public, is of questionable character (rape case - I know he isn't guilty but it DOES taint his character and speaks volumes about his self centered mentality), and does not fit the culture of the team. A guy can have one, maybe even 2 of these knocks on him in the case of an exceptional talent, but all three of these things and its a no go.
LOL! Kobe gets these Lakers to the Finals when no one expected them to be there and people STILL shit on him...gotta love it! Like I said, according to your claims, the Blazers wouldn't have taken on Jordan in his prime...wait...didn't the Blazers pass up Jordan for Bowie in the draft? It all makes sense now!
You got to be kidding me. A LOT of people predicted them to not only go to the finals, but DOMINATE the finals and win in 4 or 5 games immediately following the Gasol trade. Not just dubcc Laker fans, but a vast array of people from casual sports fans to professional NBA analysts were predicting NBA Finals at the very least for the Kobe-Gasol Lakers. Stop trying to make this into some type of against all odds story. The Lakers were FAVORED. I'm not "shitting" on Kobe (and for the love of God, STOP the MJ comparisons. They are Invalid and this thread is not about anything MJ related), but ask around, Kobe is not exactly a prime example of high character and ethical standards or leadership and this is true until he proves otherwise. Its almost like you're trying to sell me on Kobe. Why can't you just be satisfied with the fact the Kobe and Portland is not a good fit for either party involved and leave it at that? You can't convince me that he would be good for Portland (well actually he might be able to excel in his more natural sidekick role since he would have a great center to play off of again).
The Lakers were favored because they played exceptionally well up until the Finals.. before that, everyone was acting like they wouldn't do shit. It wasn't up until they took care of the Spurs that people started jumping on the bandwaggon...Nobody's tryna sell you on shit...anyone who knows both MJ and Kobe will tell you they had the same drive and character when it came to teammates and leadership. In fact, Jordan was even more of a hardass than Kobe was, at times PHYSICALLY fighting with his own players. Are you telling me your GM wouldn't have that? Disgusting...any team pretending like they wouldn't shit their pants over acquiring Kobe Bryant, the best player on this planet, are complete jokes...PeACe
Again, this thread is not about Jordan, and as was readily proven last night, he can't compare. Jordan could do all that shit and still get the job done. Now, you are disregarding Kobe's blatant and well documented character flaws and how detrimental he can be to team chemistry. Team chemistry trumps and individual player's ability.
Kobe currently has the strongest character and highest will to win in the league...Kobe is the only player who coulda' gotten the Lakers to the Finals this year, after our disastrous 42 win season, so quit acting like he didn't reach the top of the western conference. You better hope the players on your team can develop HALF the character of a Kobe Bryant. still LMAO@"not wanting" Kobe. :grumpy:
Are you using desire to win and character as interchangeable terms?
Desire to win is big part of having strong character in the game of basketball.
No. Separate. Character as in being a person of strong values and high ethical standards. Every player in the nba has a desire to win, so thats not going to separate one guy from the next. If you disagree with placing a premium on character (in this context) then thats fine, but I can tell you that it has worked out great for Pritchard and the Blazers since he took over in 2006. Kobe simply does not fit the movement in Portland. KP would easily pass on Kobe unless he came relatively cheap. The only guys from LA we are interested in are Westbrook and Mayo and chances are, we wont get them either.
LOL@passing up Kobe for "character" issues, and going for OJ Mayo...Not saying Mayo is a bad guy, but he looks up to Kobe, along with many other players in this league. Put it this way...
Farmar>Jack
Kobe>Roy
Odom>Outlaw
Gasol>Aldridge
Bynum>Oden
:laugh:
Your GM would trade starting fives in a heartbeat if he had the chance...PeACe
LOL. I know you're out of your mind already, but sometimes its fun to watch you make an ass of yourself. First, the "character" issues with Mayo are really non issues (he is far from the first or the last college athlete to accept money and gifts if he did it) and are speculation at best at this point. Lots of guys look up to Kobe from a basketball standpoint and manage to be high character guys (Martel Webster).
Jack is not our starting pg. He's an energy combo guard off the bench who will probably be gone by the start of the season and Outlaw is another energy off the bench guy. So lets assume Portland doesn't get their pg of the future in the draft. that leaves us with:
Blake>Backstreet Boy - Farmar is ok but you can't count on his for much outside of an entry pass or an open court layup. Blake is a top tier 3pt shooter and does a good job taking care of the ball. tends to make smart decisions. They are both guys who would be very good back up pgs and are fringe starters. Advantage to Blake for 3pt % and not looking like he grew up having sex with his buddies.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
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I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
Sometimes a diva just needs a change of scenery. Get it? And the 2009 Blazers probably won't be a lottery team. Losing by like 40 points in the last game of the season while franchise players pour Gatorade over coaches while the game is still going on = getting punked.
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I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
Sometimes a diva just needs a change of scenery. Get it? And the 2009 Blazers probably won't be a lottery team. Losing by like 40 points in the last game of the season while franchise players pour Gatorade over coaches while the game is still going on = getting punked.
So I guess the whole western conference should be extremely ashamed of themselves. LOL. You're a Dallas fan, muthafucka. Lets be real, now...We got to the Finals with one of the youngest teams in the league, and we didn't have our 2nd best player. Kobe LOVES LA, and if you really think him leaving to Portland is even a slight possibility, you need to get your head check.
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I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
Sometimes a diva just needs a change of scenery. Get it? And the 2009 Blazers probably won't be a lottery team. Losing by like 40 points in the last game of the season while franchise players pour Gatorade over coaches while the game is still going on = getting punked.
Naah. Your erotic dream ain't happening, homie. Germany eliminating Portugal is enought, for today. ;D
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LOL@passing up Kobe for "character" issues, and going for OJ Mayo...Not saying Mayo is a bad guy, but he looks up to Kobe, along with many other players in this league. Put it this way...
Farmar>Jack
Kobe>Roy
Odom>Outlaw
Gasol>Aldridge
Bynum>Oden
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Your GM would trade starting fives in a heartbeat if he had the chance...PeACe
Blake>Backstreet Boy - Farmar is ok but you can't count on his for much outside of an entry pass or an open court layup. Blake is a top tier 3pt shooter and does a good job taking care of the ball. tends to make smart decisions. They are both guys who would be very good back up pgs and are fringe starters. Advantage to Blake for 3pt % and not looking like he grew up having sex with his buddies.
LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
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^Nigga I don't give a fuck about the Blazers. But Kobe leaving LA would be nice, of course. Although not quite on erotic dream level. Kobe signing with the Mavs for the MLE and Mavs trading Howard and Terry for Melo and K-Mart, now that would be on some pipe dream shit for real. 8)
I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
Sometimes a diva just needs a change of scenery. Get it? And the 2009 Blazers probably won't be a lottery team. Losing by like 40 points in the last game of the season while franchise players pour Gatorade over coaches while the game is still going on = getting punked.
So I guess the whole western conference should be extremely ashamed of themselves. LOL. You're a Dallas fan, muthafucka. Lets be real, now...We got to the Finals with one of the youngest teams in the league, and we didn't have our 2nd best player. Kobe LOVES LA, and if you really think him leaving to Portland is even a slight possibility, you need to get your head check.
Let's not act as if Kobe had never been asked to be traded before. He wanted to leave the Lakers if they don't build a championship team around him. Who cares if he loves LA and if Portland is a boring place in comparison. He wants to get more rings. He badly wanted to be traded to Chicago, and the Blazers are clearly better than a gutted Bulls team. It's not even close. So now you wanna tell me, that he prefers to go to a gutted Bulls team, because Chicago is a big market? That's low of him if true.
Dallas is not in a good position right now but that is irrelevant for Kobe. Plus, if Cuban can make a move with the stupid Nuggets, the Mavs could become a great team again. This off-season should be interesting again.
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So now you wanna tell me, that he prefers to go to a gutted Bulls team, because Chicago is a big market? That's low of him if true.
HIS HERO, THE GOAT, MICHAEL JORDAN PLAYED FOR CHICAGO. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE MORE WAY OF HIM STEPPING CLOSER TO THE LEGACY. ONE MORE WAY OF BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE MIKE.
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LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
Blake 3pt% - .406 ast- 5.1 ft%- .766 fg%- .408 pts- 8.5
Farmar 3pt% - .371 ast- 2.7 ft%- .679 fg%- .461 pts- 9.1
advantage Blake.
Aldridge vs Gasol - Their numbers across the board are very comparable but the difference is Gasol is in his prime and Aldridge is only 22 and steadily improving. Advantage Aldridge. No way in hell would he be traded for Gasol. Don't you think if Portland wanted him over Aldridge they could have given Memphis a superior package than LA did? Aldridge and Raef laFrentz (huge expiring) and throw ins from Memphis to match salaries would have been more than enough to get it done (obviously).
I'll agree to not definitively say Oden will be better if you agree to not definitively say Bynum will be better based on the same fact you brought up, Oden hasn't played an NBA game yet. I can say I have big doubts about Bynum being anywhere near Oden's level though. Oden is the most gifted center prospect to come into the NBA since Shaq.
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^Nigga I don't give a fuck about the Blazers. But Kobe leaving LA would be nice, of course. Although not quite on erotic dream level. Kobe signing with the Mavs for the MLE and Mavs trading Howard and Terry for Melo and K-Mart, now that would be on some pipe dream shit for real. 8)
I said IF the Lakers get punked again in 2009.
And that's exactly where you're wrong. Playing in the NBA Finals doesnt mean "getting punked". You can win, you can loose. But if the Lakers reaches the Finals again next year there's nothing in the world who will make Kobe switch team. Cause it's easier to make the 2nd best team in the NBA the best one than to make a lottery team the best team in the NBA. Get it?
Sometimes a diva just needs a change of scenery. Get it? And the 2009 Blazers probably won't be a lottery team. Losing by like 40 points in the last game of the season while franchise players pour Gatorade over coaches while the game is still going on = getting punked.
So I guess the whole western conference should be extremely ashamed of themselves. LOL. You're a Dallas fan, muthafucka. Lets be real, now...We got to the Finals with one of the youngest teams in the league, and we didn't have our 2nd best player. Kobe LOVES LA, and if you really think him leaving to Portland is even a slight possibility, you need to get your head check.
Let's not act as if Kobe had never been asked to be traded before. He wanted to leave the Lakers if they don't build a championship team around him. Who cares if he loves LA and if Portland is a boring place in comparison. He wants to get more rings. He badly wanted to be traded to Chicago, and the Blazers are clearly better than a gutted Bulls team. It's not even close. So now you wanna tell me, that he prefers to go to a gutted Bulls team, because Chicago is a big market? That's low of him if true.
Dallas is not in a good position right now but that is irrelevant for Kobe. Plus, if Cuban can make a move with the stupid Nuggets, the Mavs could become a great team again. This off-season should be interesting again.
Kobe was never gunna leave the Lakers, he has a trade clause where he could veto any trade. the whole point was to pressure Kupchak into moving his ass and motivate the Laker players to get their asses in the gym and master their game. It worked, and he's not going anywhere...You can bet the house on that.
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LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
Blake 3pt% - .406 ast- 5.1 ft%- .766 fg%- .408 pts- 8.5
Farmar 3pt% - .371 ast- 2.7 ft%- .679 fg%- .461 pts- 9.1
advantage Blake.
What happened to your "he's younger" argument? Farmar has a much higher ceiling than Blake...Farmar has footspeed, major athleticism, and hops, a nice jump-shot, as well as much stronger defense than Blake. He scores more and shoots a higher percentage in less minutes..his assists are down because he plays in the triangle, but he has nice court recognition and a high basketball IQ as well. Farmar is the better player now, and he's 6 years younger, so according to your logic, he's WAY more valuable.
Aldridge vs Gasol - Their numbers across the board are very comparable but the difference is Gasol is in his prime and Aldridge is only 22 and steadily improving. Advantage Aldridge. No way in hell would he be traded for Gasol. Don't you think if Portland wanted him over Aldridge they could have given Memphis a superior package than LA did? Aldridge and Raef laFrentz (huge expiring) and throw ins from Memphis to match salaries would have been more than enough to get it done (obviously).
LOL...are you kidding me? I'm talking about as of now. Gasol is currently way better than Aldridge. That's not even questionable. Who knows how good Aldridge will be, but right now Gasol scores more on a way higher percentage, is a better rebounder, great passing big man, not great, but solid defense (at the power forward spot). Gasol is currently way above Aldridge. I'm not speakin on the future.
I'll agree to not definitively say Oden will be better if you agree to not definitively say Bynum will be better based on the same fact you brought up, Oden hasn't played an NBA game yet. I can say I have big doubts about Bynum being anywhere near Oden's level though. Oden is the most gifted center prospect to come into the NBA since Shaq.
Oden looks like he can be great, I'm not doubting that...but from what I've seen, I think Bynum will be better.
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LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
Blake 3pt% - .406 ast- 5.1 ft%- .766 fg%- .408 pts- 8.5
Farmar 3pt% - .371 ast- 2.7 ft%- .679 fg%- .461 pts- 9.1
advantage Blake.
What happened to your "he's younger" argument? Farmar has a much higher ceiling than Blake...Farmar has footspeed, major athleticism, and hops, a nice jump-shot, as well as much stronger defense than Blake. He scores more and shoots a higher percentage in less minutes..his assists are down because he plays in the triangle, but he has nice court recognition and a high basketball IQ as well. Farmar is the better player now, and he's 6 years younger, so according to your logic, he's WAY more valuable.
Aldridge vs Gasol - Their numbers across the board are very comparable but the difference is Gasol is in his prime and Aldridge is only 22 and steadily improving. Advantage Aldridge. No way in hell would he be traded for Gasol. Don't you think if Portland wanted him over Aldridge they could have given Memphis a superior package than LA did? Aldridge and Raef laFrentz (huge expiring) and throw ins from Memphis to match salaries would have been more than enough to get it done (obviously).
LOL...are you kidding me? I'm talking about as of now. Gasol is currently way better than Aldridge. That's not even questionable. Who knows how good Aldridge will be, but right now Gasol scores more on a way higher percentage, is a better rebounder, great passing big man, not great, but solid defense (at the power forward spot). Gasol is currently way above Aldridge. I'm not speakin on the future.
I'll agree to not definitively say Oden will be better if you agree to not definitively say Bynum will be better based on the same fact you brought up, Oden hasn't played an NBA game yet. I can say I have big doubts about Bynum being anywhere near Oden's level though. Oden is the most gifted center prospect to come into the NBA since Shaq.
Oden looks like he can be great, I'm not doubting that...but from what I've seen, I think Bynum will be better.
This is what you don't understand. Portland is built to be the team of the future, not the team of right now necessarily. You are also grossly underestimating the importance of team chemistry and having players that compliment each other's skill sets. This is the advantage of the way Portland is being put together. This is why from a team perspective, I'd rather have Blake over Farmar. He embraces his role ,provides veteran leadership and is a calming influence, and takes care of the ball. And the main reason I wouldn't want Farmar is because in all liklihood, after the draft, Blake will be our backup pg and we'll have somebody better than Farmar starting.
This team is built from the ground up with great talent and will have a lot of time to grow together. Why would Aldridge be traded for Gasol? Gasol is already in his prime and is only marginally better than Aldridge in his 2nd year. LMA has about 10-13 seasons left in him, can you say that about Gasol? Current talent level is not the only thing to take into consideration especially when the difference is negligible is the grand scheme of things.
As far as your assertion that KP would trade Oden for Bynum, nothing could be further from the truth. He has stated that there are exactly two players he would consider trading Oden for and those players are LeBron James and Jordan in his prime. Bynum is a far cry from either of them.
edit: And just for the hell of it I compared Jarret Jack to Jordan Farmar on nba.com. It pretty much ruins your claim that Farmar>Jack.
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I'm not speakin on the future.
WOW THATS A FIRST!!
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I'm not speakin on the future.
WOW THATS A FIRST!!
Whatever comes in handy.
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LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
Blake 3pt% - .406 ast- 5.1 ft%- .766 fg%- .408 pts- 8.5
Farmar 3pt% - .371 ast- 2.7 ft%- .679 fg%- .461 pts- 9.1
advantage Blake.
What happened to your "he's younger" argument? Farmar has a much higher ceiling than Blake...Farmar has footspeed, major athleticism, and hops, a nice jump-shot, as well as much stronger defense than Blake. He scores more and shoots a higher percentage in less minutes..his assists are down because he plays in the triangle, but he has nice court recognition and a high basketball IQ as well. Farmar is the better player now, and he's 6 years younger, so according to your logic, he's WAY more valuable.
Aldridge vs Gasol - Their numbers across the board are very comparable but the difference is Gasol is in his prime and Aldridge is only 22 and steadily improving. Advantage Aldridge. No way in hell would he be traded for Gasol. Don't you think if Portland wanted him over Aldridge they could have given Memphis a superior package than LA did? Aldridge and Raef laFrentz (huge expiring) and throw ins from Memphis to match salaries would have been more than enough to get it done (obviously).
LOL...are you kidding me? I'm talking about as of now. Gasol is currently way better than Aldridge. That's not even questionable. Who knows how good Aldridge will be, but right now Gasol scores more on a way higher percentage, is a better rebounder, great passing big man, not great, but solid defense (at the power forward spot). Gasol is currently way above Aldridge. I'm not speakin on the future.
I'll agree to not definitively say Oden will be better if you agree to not definitively say Bynum will be better based on the same fact you brought up, Oden hasn't played an NBA game yet. I can say I have big doubts about Bynum being anywhere near Oden's level though. Oden is the most gifted center prospect to come into the NBA since Shaq.
Oden looks like he can be great, I'm not doubting that...but from what I've seen, I think Bynum will be better.
This is what you don't understand. Portland is built to be the team of the future, not the team of right now necessarily. You are also grossly underestimating the importance of team chemistry and having players that compliment each other's skill sets. This is the advantage of the way Portland is being put together. This is why from a team perspective, I'd rather have Blake over Farmar. He embraces his role ,provides veteran leadership and is a calming influence, and takes care of the ball. And the main reason I wouldn't want Farmar is because in all liklihood, after the draft, Blake will be our backup pg and we'll have somebody better than Farmar starting.
This team is built from the ground up with great talent and will have a lot of time to grow together. Why would Aldridge be traded for Gasol? Gasol is already in his prime and is only marginally better than Aldridge in his 2nd year. LMA has about 10-13 seasons left in him, can you say that about Gasol? Current talent level is not the only thing to take into consideration especially when the difference is negligible is the grand scheme of things.
As far as your assertion that KP would trade Oden for Bynum, nothing could be further from the truth. He has stated that there are exactly two players he would consider trading Oden for and those players are LeBron James and Jordan in his prime. Bynum is a far cry from either of them.
edit: And just for the hell of it I compared Jarret Jack to Jordan Farmar on nba.com. It pretty much ruins your claim that Farmar>Jack.
LOL. You try so hard...Portland may be the team of the future, but the Lakers are the team of the future AND the team of the now. I don't see the Blazers winning any titles in the next 5 years, that's for sure...Sure, they may contend, but the Lakers are a championship caliber team AS OF NOW. When did I say anything about trading players? I'm talking about who is currently better...Blake may be good at "taking care of the ball", but Farmar does everything else better AND he averages less turnovers. You don't wanna take into consideration that Farmar is much younger than Blake, yet when it comes to comparing Aldridge and Gasol, you use that as your main argument. LOL! Gasol is NOT in his prime, and as of now, Aldridge has a lot to learn before he can claim he has the ability of a Gasol. I never said Portland would trade Aldridge for Gasol, but that's not what I'm talkin about...I'm talkin about which player is BETTER. I also never said KP would trade Oden for Bynum, I said that right now, Bynum is better and clearly more skilled. Do you even pay attention to my posts?...and LOL@nba.com telling you Jack is better than Farmar. Jack is a 2guard in a point guards body with whack defense. I'd take Farmar over him ANY day, but that's besides the point. Lakers>>>>Blazers, no matter which way you look at it...PeACe
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^Gasol IS in his prime. How is pushing 28 not prime for a soft big? He's just not that good, that's all.
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I can't think about any player better than him to play PF in the triangle. Do you?
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^Gasol IS in his prime. How is pushing 28 not prime for a soft big? He's just not that good, that's all.
LOL@"Gasol is not that good"...you're a Nowitzki fan! You have no right to call ANY player soft.
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I can't think about any player better than him to play PF in the triangle. Do you?
What does that have to do with being in his prime or not? Anyways, it's all speculation, but I think Duncan would be better.
^Gasol IS in his prime. How is pushing 28 not prime for a soft big? He's just not that good, that's all.
LOL@"Gasol is not that good"...you're a Nowitzki fan! You have no right to call ANY player soft.
Of course I have the right. Me being a supporter of a soft player doesn't make the next player less soft. Unlike you, I admit when my niggas ain't perfect.
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Duncan is over the hill...No way would he currently fit the tri better than Gasol. My point is that if Gasol is soft, Nowitzki is a feather.
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I can't think about any player better than him to play PF in the triangle. Do you?
What does that have to do with being in his prime or not? Anyways, it's all speculation, but I think Duncan would be better.
^Gasol IS in his prime. How is pushing 28 not prime for a soft big? He's just not that good, that's all.
LOL@"Gasol is not that good"...you're a Nowitzki fan! You have no right to call ANY player soft.
Of course I have the right. Me being a supporter of a soft player doesn't make the next player less soft. Unlike you, I admit when my niggas ain't perfect.
THATS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN! A TRUE FAN WOULD SAY HIS FAVORITE TEAM/PLAYER IS THE BEST NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION! DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IF YOUR FAVORITE PLAYER WANTED YOU TO SUCK HIS DICK TO RELIEVE SOME STRESS BEFORE THE GAME SO HE CAN HELP HIS TEAM WIN, YOU WOULDNT DO IT? YOU'RE SUCH A FAKE FAN!
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Duncan is over the hill...No way would he currently fit the tri better than Gasol. My point is that if Gasol is soft, Nowitzki is a feather.
Being skilled enough to make a 3 on a regular and a turn-around fadeaway at mid-range although you are 7 feet tall is not exactly what makes you soft. What makes you soft is when you never take it to the hoop and you never block shit, disappear in the clutch and cry a lot. Well, have you watched the 2006 playoffs? Dirk took it to the hoop plenty of times. He was cluuutch against Bowen and Ginobili on that 3 point play in Game 7 against the Spurs. He had a clutch block also. And Gasol cries all the time, literally. He got owned hard by Duncan and I won't even say anything about the Finals. I'd say they're both too soft for their own good and leave it at that.
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LOL...Blake looks like a reject Backstreet Boy, first and foremost. But anyways, Farmar is a lot more valuable than Blake, I'll tell you that much. You talk about Blake being a top tier 3-point shooter when Farmar makes as many threes in less minutes and scores better than him on a higher percentage with a lot less playing time... And if you don't think Farmar is better, you can't argue that Fisher isn't better.
Roy<Kobe - no argument here
Good.
Webster<Odom - for now, but not really comparable players. Odom is stronger and a better rebounder but Webster is a much better shooter and a rapidly improving defender with very underrated athleticism. Very different games, but odom is the better player right now.
LOL...REALLY?!
Aldridge>Gasol - comparable numbers but advantage to LMA because he's much younger with more room to grow, is a superior athlete and defender to Gasol and doesn't tuck his tail when he's called upon to get a basket.
Come on, now...Aldridge may one day be better, but Gasol is on a much higher level as of now. LOL!
Oden>Bynum - I know you're a homer but lets be serious. Oden is going to put up at least Bynums 3rd year numbers in his rookie season. Oden = most heralded player to come into the league since James. Oden has all the athleticism of Dwight Howard with more size and a much more refined post game. Oden = once in a generation center. Bynum is no slouch but the same can not be said for him.
Oden still hasn't played a minute in the NBA...I personally think Oden will do great, but Bynum will dominate the low post with his power, finesse, and wide array of post moves, as well as his superior defense and rebounding abilities. I think it could be a great west coast rivalry for years to come. Two of the few true up and coming back-to-the-basket centers in the league.
Blake 3pt% - .406 ast- 5.1 ft%- .766 fg%- .408 pts- 8.5
Farmar 3pt% - .371 ast- 2.7 ft%- .679 fg%- .461 pts- 9.1
advantage Blake.
What happened to your "he's younger" argument? Farmar has a much higher ceiling than Blake...Farmar has footspeed, major athleticism, and hops, a nice jump-shot, as well as much stronger defense than Blake. He scores more and shoots a higher percentage in less minutes..his assists are down because he plays in the triangle, but he has nice court recognition and a high basketball IQ as well. Farmar is the better player now, and he's 6 years younger, so according to your logic, he's WAY more valuable.
Aldridge vs Gasol - Their numbers across the board are very comparable but the difference is Gasol is in his prime and Aldridge is only 22 and steadily improving. Advantage Aldridge. No way in hell would he be traded for Gasol. Don't you think if Portland wanted him over Aldridge they could have given Memphis a superior package than LA did? Aldridge and Raef laFrentz (huge expiring) and throw ins from Memphis to match salaries would have been more than enough to get it done (obviously).
LOL...are you kidding me? I'm talking about as of now. Gasol is currently way better than Aldridge. That's not even questionable. Who knows how good Aldridge will be, but right now Gasol scores more on a way higher percentage, is a better rebounder, great passing big man, not great, but solid defense (at the power forward spot). Gasol is currently way above Aldridge. I'm not speakin on the future.
I'll agree to not definitively say Oden will be better if you agree to not definitively say Bynum will be better based on the same fact you brought up, Oden hasn't played an NBA game yet. I can say I have big doubts about Bynum being anywhere near Oden's level though. Oden is the most gifted center prospect to come into the NBA since Shaq.
Oden looks like he can be great, I'm not doubting that...but from what I've seen, I think Bynum will be better.
This is what you don't understand. Portland is built to be the team of the future, not the team of right now necessarily. You are also grossly underestimating the importance of team chemistry and having players that compliment each other's skill sets. This is the advantage of the way Portland is being put together. This is why from a team perspective, I'd rather have Blake over Farmar. He embraces his role ,provides veteran leadership and is a calming influence, and takes care of the ball. And the main reason I wouldn't want Farmar is because in all liklihood, after the draft, Blake will be our backup pg and we'll have somebody better than Farmar starting.
This team is built from the ground up with great talent and will have a lot of time to grow together. Why would Aldridge be traded for Gasol? Gasol is already in his prime and is only marginally better than Aldridge in his 2nd year. LMA has about 10-13 seasons left in him, can you say that about Gasol? Current talent level is not the only thing to take into consideration especially when the difference is negligible is the grand scheme of things.
As far as your assertion that KP would trade Oden for Bynum, nothing could be further from the truth. He has stated that there are exactly two players he would consider trading Oden for and those players are LeBron James and Jordan in his prime. Bynum is a far cry from either of them.
edit: And just for the hell of it I compared Jarret Jack to Jordan Farmar on nba.com. It pretty much ruins your claim that Farmar>Jack.
LOL. You try so hard...Portland may be the team of the future, but the Lakers are the team of the future AND the team of the now. I don't see the Blazers winning any titles in the next 5 years, that's for sure...Sure, they may contend, but the Lakers are a championship caliber team AS OF NOW. When did I say anything about trading players? I'm talking about who is currently better...Blake may be good at "taking care of the ball", but Farmar does everything else better AND he averages less turnovers. You don't wanna take into consideration that Farmar is much younger than Blake, yet when it comes to comparing Aldridge and Gasol, you use that as your main argument. LOL! Gasol is NOT in his prime, and as of now, Aldridge has a lot to learn before he can claim he has the ability of a Gasol. I never said Portland would trade Aldridge for Gasol, but that's not what I'm talkin about...I'm talkin about which player is BETTER. I also never said KP would trade Oden for Bynum, I said that right now, Bynum is better and clearly more skilled. Do you even pay attention to my posts?...and LOL@nba.com telling you Jack is better than Farmar. Jack is a 2guard in a point guards body with whack defense. I'd take Farmar over him ANY day, but that's besides the point. Lakers>>>>Blazers, no matter which way you look at it...PeACe
Your exact words were "Your GM would trade your starting 5 for our starting 5." Complete falsehood. Blake vs Farmar = non issue. Each have advantages and disadvatages but neither are really all that good in the grand scheme of things. Arguing about which is better is akin to two little dick guys arguing over who has a bigger one.
Gasol is too in his prime. Sorry. you're just kissing his ass cause he's a Laker now. And to tell you the truth, I probably wouldn't even trade Channing Frye for Gasol and I don't even much care for Frye. I simply don't like his game, and I thank God KP doesn't care for him either.
As for Jack vs Farmar, I agree that Jack is more of a 2 than a 1, but that should be very telling. Jack manages more points and assists from the 2 than Farmar manages from the 1 AND shoots a higher FT%,FG% and 3pt%. Sorry buddy.
Anyway, this is getting dumb because we both obviously like our teams and the players on them and it should be clear by now that neither of us is the type to just concede and walk away from an argument.
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Duncan is over the hill...No way would he currently fit the tri better than Gasol. My point is that if Gasol is soft, Nowitzki is a feather.
Being skilled enough to make a 3 on a regular and a turn-around fadeaway at mid-range although you are 7 feet tall is not exactly what makes you soft. What makes you soft is when you never take it to the hoop and you never block shit, disappear in the clutch and cry a lot. Well, have you watched the 2006 playoffs? Dirk took it to the hoop plenty of times. He was cluuutch against Bowen and Ginobili on that 3 point play in Game 7 against the Spurs. He had a clutch block also. And Gasol cries all the time, literally. He got owned hard by Duncan and I won't even say anything about the Finals. I'd say they're both too soft for their own good and leave it at that.
The difference is, Nowitzki is supposed to be a franchise player and the leader of his team... Nowitzki would die if he had to start at center...LOL
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And to tell you the truth, I probably wouldn't even trade Channing Frye for Gasol and I don't even much care for Frye.
LOL...never call ANYONE a homer again.
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And to tell you the truth, I probably wouldn't even trade Channing Frye for Gasol and I don't even much care for Frye.
LOL...never call ANYONE a homer again.
has nothing to do with being a homer. i just dont like gasol's game. frye for gasol would be a little better than a lateral move at best.
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LOL! Wow, man...you're really underestimating Gasol here. Sure, he didn't come up huge in these Finals like we'd have liked him to, but Gasol was the difference between a 42 win team and a 57 win team...He's an all-star player, one of the best power forwards in the league, and is just A WHOLE LOT more valuable out there on the court than Channing frickin' Frye. Would you refuse Boozer for Frye? D. West for Frye? Bosh for Frye? Jamison for Frye? Brand for Frye? Gasol is a top tier power forward. :grumpy:
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LOL! Wow, man...you're really underestimating Gasol here. Sure, he didn't come up huge in these Finals like we'd have liked him to, but Gasol was the difference between a 42 win team and a 57 win team...He's an all-star player, one of the best power forwards in the league, and is just A WHOLE LOT more valuable out there on the court than Channing frickin' Frye. Would you refuse Boozer for Frye? D. West for Frye? Bosh for Frye? Jamison for Frye? Brand for Frye? Gasol is a top tier power forward. :grumpy:
LOL are you saying gasol is in the same class as those guys? I know gasol is better than channing frye. Gasol is NOT top tier. Everybody you listed is better than him with the exception of maybe Brand, and I only say that because he's a big question mark due to his injury issues. And the only way I take any of those guys is if they don't mind a back up role. This is the big plus for Frye is that he knows his role and doesn't mind coming off the bench. He grabs boards and spreads the floor so Outlaw can go to work with the 2nd unit. Fits fine to me. Gasol strikes me as the type who would bitch about his minutes if he wasn't a starter or at least getting starter's minutes. You always fail to see the team chemistry aspect and you look only at pure talent alone. Sure gasol is better than Frye, but is he a better fit? I have my doubts.
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LOL! Wow, man...you're really underestimating Gasol here. Sure, he didn't come up huge in these Finals like we'd have liked him to, but Gasol was the difference between a 42 win team and a 57 win team...He's an all-star player, one of the best power forwards in the league, and is just A WHOLE LOT more valuable out there on the court than Channing frickin' Frye. Would you refuse Boozer for Frye? D. West for Frye? Bosh for Frye? Jamison for Frye? Brand for Frye? Gasol is a top tier power forward. :grumpy:
LOL are you saying gasol is in the same class as those guys? I know gasol is better than channing frye. Gasol is NOT top tier. Everybody you listed is better than him with the exception of maybe Brand, and I only say that because he's a big question mark due to his injury issues. And the only way I take any of those guys is if they don't mind a back up role. This is the big plus for Frye is that he knows his role and doesn't mind coming off the bench. He grabs boards and spreads the floor so Outlaw can go to work with the 2nd unit. Fits fine to me. Gasol strikes me as the type who would bitch about his minutes if he wasn't a starter or at least getting starter's minutes. You always fail to see the team chemistry aspect and you look only at pure talent alone. Sure gasol is better than Frye, but is he a better fit? I have my doubts.
Wow...LOL. Gasol is not top tier? He's not an elite power forward in this league? AHAHAHAH. This is a 20 point, 10 rebounds, 4 assist, and 2 blocks guy we're talking about...all on high percentages! You are out of your mind. Gasol is on par with all those guys, and he actually proved he was better than Boozer in the Lakers-Jazz series.. David West and Antawn Jamison are still not on that level right now. Seriously, what is it with your hate for the Lakers and everything associated with them? Did 2000 really get you THAT bad?
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I can't think about any player better than him to play PF in the triangle. Do you?
What does that have to do with being in his prime or not?
He is in his prime. But I was referring to the "He's just not that good, that's all." line. Who's better than him?
Anyways, it's all speculation, but I think Duncan would be better.
You named just one player. But i think Gasol fits better in a triangle offence anyway.
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
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And to tell you the truth, I probably wouldn't even trade Channing Frye for Gasol and I don't even much care for Frye.
LOL...never call ANYONE a homer again.
has nothing to do with being a homer. i just dont like gasol's game. frye for gasol would be a little better than a lateral move at best.
LOL Frye is pretty good, but c'mooooooooooooooooooon.. ;D
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
I respect you as a fan, cause you like your team and you rep it well (on a side note: i like the Blazers too). You can say you don't like how Gasol plays, but c'mon, he's better than Frye in every aspect of his game. I think you guys are judging him in the wrong way anyway. He's a PF with a very high basketball IQ, he's a wonderful passer, he ain't the type of guy who likes to be aggressive under the basket, but he's a PF!!!! Immagine him next year with Bynum, Odom and Bryant on the floor. I'm sure he'll step up like Odom did finding his perfect role in the team. That's why i won't even trade him for Aldridge, let alone Frye! He's not the best PF in the League, but he's just perfect for the Lakers.
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
I respect you as a fan, cause you like your team and you rep it well (on a side note: i like the Blazers too). You can say you don't like how Gasol plays, but c'mon, he's better than Frye in every aspect of his game. I think you guys are judging him in the wrong way anyway. He's a PF with a very high basketball IQ, he's a wonderful passer, he ain't the type of guy who likes to be aggressive under the basket, but he's a PF!!!! Immagine him next year with Bynum, Odom and Bryant on the floor. I'm sure he'll step up like Odom did finding his perfect role in the team. That's why i won't even trade him for Aldridge, let alone Frye! He's not the best PF in the League, but he's just perfect for the Lakers.
I already acknowledged that he was better than Frye, but its not as if Frye is a vital cog in the Blazers system. In Portland Gasol would be a backup and I doubt he would really embrace that role.
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Portland is a defensive-minded team full of explosive, young, athletic players. Gasol is another type of player. Like i said he fits better than Aldridge & Frye in Los Angeles, but i understand if you think he won't be a good fit for Portland. But it looked like you was saying Gasol sucks. He's a very good player, imho. Like Odom. He just ain't a leader, and he simply need to play in his real role (PF), as a 2nd-3rd offensive option, playing for his teammates and executing triangle very well. You guys are understimating him too much.
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Portland is a defensive-minded team full of explosive, young, athletic players. Gasol is another type of player. Like i said he fits better than Aldridge & Frye in Los Angeles, but i understand if you think he won't be a good fit for Portland. But it looked like you was saying Gasol sucks. He's a very good player, imho. Like Odom. He just ain't a leader, and he simply need to play in his real role (PF), as a 2nd-3rd offensive option, playing for his teammates and executing triangle very well. You guys are understimating him too much.
Agreed on everything but the last line. Undervaluing him, maybe, but not underestimating.
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I don't even know the difference of the two words, but we got a deal. ;D
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basically Im saying that he is good, but I wouldn't want him on my team.
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Gasol has never averaged 20, 10 and 4 even ONCE in his career. He exposed himself as a soft weenie(like phil calls him) in the biggest nba stage, even tony allen was boxing him out of rebounds.
the nicca couldnt even average 20 and 10 with the wac ass grizzlies, maybe he got close sometimes, but how you 7 feet tall and the most u ever averegad is 9 rebounds ahaha he's overrated. mostly by all the gay lakers groupies on the internet. he's not a top 5 nba power forward. maybe for a soft ass team like the lakers he is, but league wide cuzz is seen as a softy. there are a gang of big men better than him.
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^^^ well he had 20 and 9.8 in 06-07, close enough. But so what, Zach Randolph was a 24 and 10 guy that same year and he got traded for peanuts. Gasol may be good but his value is a lot less than many Laker fans think. In the right system, sure he could be good, aside from that, he's a nice stats player for your fantasy team but not much more.
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Well Randolph got traded for other reasons, though. He's a terrible person and can't coexist with real niggas like Oden and Aldridge.
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Well Randolph got traded for other reasons, though. He's a terrible person and can't coexist with real niggas like Oden and Aldridge.
Well, saying he's a terrible person is taking it a bit far, but the point was that great numbers don't make you a great fit. That's why Portland got 9 games better in the W column this year without adding Oden and without their top scorer and rebounder. Aside from the fact that I do not like Gasol's game, he simply would not be a good fit in Portland. Besides, at least Frye is a likable guy. Gasol is soft AND unlikable.
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His numbers aren't even that good. His percentages are on some JO shit. Gasol > Randolph, easily. But I of course get your point.
*cough* Arenas *cough*
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
Everybody considers him a 2nd tier guy? LMAO! He was a franchise player for Memphis before he was traded...Please, stop. You're embarassing yourself. Even NBA.com calls him an elite power forward. http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/powerforwards1_15.html
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
Everybody considers him a 2nd tier guy? LMAO! He was a franchise player for Memphis before he was traded...Please, stop. You're embarassing yourself. Even NBA.com calls him an elite power forward. http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/powerforwards1_15.html
WOW! WHAT A FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENT!!! FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A FAILED FRANCHISE!!! MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP!!!! I guess you're right. I can't get anything by you, you sly devil, you. GASOL = GOAT!!! HOW COULD I EVER HAVE DOUBTED IT???!?!!!!??! Number 6 on the all fantasy squad for PFs. Simply amazing. Side note, it also ranks Dwight Howard lower than Gasol and list him as a pf. PLUS its from the 06 season where he put up the best numbers of his career (probably due mostly to the fact that he only played in 59 games). He has steadily declined since. Way to cite skewed and outdated data. Thank you and goodbye.
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Gasol has never averaged 20, 10 and 4 even ONCE in his career. He exposed himself as a soft weenie(like phil calls him) in the biggest nba stage, even tony allen was boxing him out of rebounds.
the nicca couldnt even average 20 and 10 with the wac ass grizzlies, maybe he got close sometimes, but how you 7 feet tall and the most u ever averegad is 9 rebounds ahaha he's overrated. mostly by all the gay lakers groupies on the internet. he's not a top 5 nba power forward. maybe for a soft ass team like the lakers he is, but league wide cuzz is seen as a softy. there are a gang of big men better than him.
He averaged 10.2 rebounds against the Celtics anyway. His problem was been Odom being as soft as him playing next to him. I mean at those levels you can't have Gasol as the C and Odom as the PF. We missed Bynum.
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Look I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about Gasol not being a top tier guy because everybody here besides you knows he's 2nd tier at best. Besides, why can't I just not like a player's game and be glad he isn't on my team? I've disliked his game way before he was a Laker so why should it change now?
Everybody considers him a 2nd tier guy? LMAO! He was a franchise player for Memphis before he was traded...Please, stop. You're embarassing yourself. Even NBA.com calls him an elite power forward. http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/powerforwards1_15.html
WOW! WHAT A FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENT!!! FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A FAILED FRANCHISE!!! MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP!!!! I guess you're right. I can't get anything by you, you sly devil, you. GASOL = GOAT!!! HOW COULD I EVER HAVE DOUBTED IT???!?!!!!??! Number 6 on the all fantasy squad for PFs. Simply amazing. Side note, it also ranks Dwight Howard lower than Gasol and list him as a pf. PLUS its from the 06 season where he put up the best numbers of his career (probably due mostly to the fact that he only played in 59 games). He has steadily declined since. Way to cite skewed and outdated data. Thank you and goodbye.
LOL. You'r an idiot. End of story. You wouldn't trade Frye for Gasol. LMAO. Gasol never declined, he's steadily improving, easily a top power forward in the league. Anyone who denies this is absurd...PeACe
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
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Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME.
One? Actually three. Homie he was been named Rookie of the Year in 2002 and he reached the post season with Memphis from 2003 to 2006, which is somehow incredible considering the team was wack anyway. He still leads the franchise in points, rebounds, blocks, minutes played etc.. how can you say he wasn't a franchise player in Memphis when he's the best player in the history of the franchise? I don't get it. Obviously he ain't a franchise player in Los Angeles, but we didn't get him to be our franchise player, so.. what's the point?
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
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Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME.
One? Actually three. Homie he was been named Rookie of the Year in 2002 and he reached the post season with Memphis from 2003 to 2006, which is somehow incredible considering the team was wack anyway. He still leads the franchise in points, rebounds, blocks, minutes played etc.. how can you say he wasn't a franchise player in Memphis when he's the best player in the history of the franchise? I don't get it. Obviously he ain't a franchise player in Los Angeles, but we didn't get him to be our franchise player, so.. what's the point?
My mistake, I only recalled one playoff appearance before this year. Anyway, just because he is the best player they ever had, I wouldn't consider him a franchise player. Paul, Iverson, Howard, Bryant, Olajuwon, D Robinson, Ewing, Isaiah Thomas etc, those guys are/were franchise players. Paul Gasol is a good player who will ultimately be forgotten. Just because Terry Porter is arguably the best pg the Blazers ever had that doesn't make him a franchise player. That's all I'm saying.
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
wow 50 fucking wins once. Amazing. I am truly in awe of his one 50 win season. I suppose that puts him in elite company. what was I thinking? And you missed the point of saying Bryant & Gasol have no rings together. I was using skewed evidence just like your faulty ass "evidence" of Pau being an elite player. And I'm not even talking about the Lakers I'm talking about Gasol. I've never liked Gasol even way before he was a Laker so kill yourself.
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
wow 50 fucking wins once. Amazing.
Just for the record he had a 49 wins season too, with Memphis. As an All-Star.
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
wow 50 fucking wins once. Amazing.
Just for the record he had a 49 wins season too, with Memphis. As an All-Star.
he also had three seasons with less than 30 wins.
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
wow 50 fucking wins once. Amazing.
Just for the record he had a 49 wins season too, with Memphis. As an All-Star.
he also had three seasons with less than 30 wins.
Paul Pierce had 2, Kevin Garnett had 2 and Ray Allen had 1 and a 31wins season. So? What's your point?
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^^^Pau never declined? So You're going to call me an idiot but completely disregard the fact that you got called on your outdated bullshit "evidence" from 3 years ago that is completely irrelevant and thinks Dwight Howard is a PF who is not as good as Gasol? And Gasol actually HAS DECLINED. I can give you evidence that is as recent as game 82 of THIS SEASON to support that. Would you like to see it? Never mind the fact that you claim Gasol is a franchise player but the franchise he came from was always garbage before, during and after he came. Hell of a franchise player. He took the Grizzlies to the first round of the playoffs a whopping ONE TIME. Hell of a franchise player. Hell he wasn't even an adequate sidekick for the player you claim is better than Jordan yet you refer to him as a franchise player. Would you also have me believe that gasol is better than Pippen?
Bryant>Jordan
Gasol>Pippen
This is your brain on drugs.
Jordan & Pippen = 6 rings
Bryant & Gasol = 0 rings
^Crack Wilson status, no joke...Gasol and Kobe have played together for a total of 48 games, fucking genius. Gasol did amazing things for Memphis, getting them to 50 fucking wins! That's a lottery team winning that many games because of Gasol...and how did he decline? What did he do better a couple years back then now? Seriously, all your opinions are based off of hating the Lakers, so just quit while you still can...PeACe
wow 50 fucking wins once. Amazing. I am truly in awe of his one 50 win season. I suppose that puts him in elite company. what was I thinking? And you missed the point of saying Bryant & Gasol have no rings together. I was using skewed evidence just like your faulty ass "evidence" of Pau being an elite player. And I'm not even talking about the Lakers I'm talking about Gasol. I've never liked Gasol even way before he was a Laker so kill yourself.
You're missing the point, haterboy. Leading a lottery team to a 50 win season constitutes that you are amongst the elite players in your position. What don't you get? :stupid: