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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Lunatic on June 23, 2008, 09:24:01 AM
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Sportsnet.ca - The Raptors are working on a blockbuster trade that would see the Indiana Pacers send Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto in exchange for package that would include T.J. Ford and Rasho Nestervoic according to a Toronto newspaper.
Citing league sources, the Toronto Star reported Monday that the package may also include the Raptors 17th pick in this week's NBA draft.
Last season, the 29-year old O'Neal averaged 13.6 PPG and 6.8 REB in 42 games, while Ford averaged 12.1 PPG and Nesterovic 7.8 PPG in 51 and 71 games respectively.
More details to follow.
as a raps fan, I hope this is true :o JO has been goin through injury problems but Rasho I could care less about giving up and we dont need TJ with Calderon really emerging as a true #1 PG for us..please let this go through (assuming we resign Caldy) 8)
Edit: im not crazy about it including our 1st rd draft pick this year
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that would be dope. calderon-jo-bosh-parker-graham
yeahhh
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that would be dope. calderon-jo-bosh-parker-graham
yeahhh
i dunno what u thinkin dog, but graham is awful and is like our 10th man
Calderon
Parker
Bargnani
JO
Bosh
Thats kind of a big lineup, maybe they wouldnt start Bargnani
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^For your sake, you better hope they don't...I really dunno about the trade, though. I know everyone is high on Calderon and what not, but TJ Ford is really a huge part of any real success your team has ever had. JO's career seems to be coming to an end and trading your starting point guard AND a draft pick for him COULD turn out to be a huge mistake. Indiana wins this trade, if it goes down:
PG Jose Calderon...?? :-X
SG Anthony Parker...Carlos Delfino/Jason Kapono
SF Jamario Moon...Joey Grahami/Kris Humphries
PF Chris Bosh...Andrea Bargnan/Maceo Baston
C Jermaine O'Neal...Jorge Garbajosa/Primoz Brezec
Toronto is left with no back-up PG...you'll need to make another move or sign another point.
PG TJ Ford...Jamaal Tinsley/Travis Diener
SG Kareem Rush...Marquis Daniels/Flip Murray
SF Mike Dunleavy...Shawne Williams/Stephen Graham
PF Danny Granger...Jeff Foster/Ike Diogu
C Troy Murphy...Rasho Nesterovic/David Harrison
Indiana is now deep as fuck. No doubt, a playoff team in the east. They'll be lucky if this goes down.
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^For your sake, you better hope they don't...I really dunno about the trade, though. I know everyone is high on Calderon and what not, but TJ Ford is really a huge part of any real success your team has ever had. JO's career seems to be coming to an end and trading your starting point guard AND a draft pick for him COULD turn out to be a huge mistake. Indiana wins this trade, if it goes down:
PG Jose Calderon...?? :-X
SG Anthony Parker...Carlos Delfino/Jason Kapono
SF Jamario Moon...Joey Grahami/Kris Humphries
PF Chris Bosh...Andrea Bargnan/Maceo Baston
C Jermaine O'Neal...Jorge Garbajosa/Primoz Brezec
Toronto is left with no back-up PG...you'll need to make another move or sign another point.
PG TJ Ford...Jamaal Tinsley/Travis Diener
SG Kareem Rush...Marquis Daniels/Flip Murray
SF Mike Dunleavy...Shawne Williams/Stephen Graham
PF Danny Granger...Jeff Foster/Ike Diogu
C Troy Murphy...Rasho Nesterovic/David Harrison
Indiana is now deep as fuck. No doubt, a playoff team in the east. They'll be lucky if this goes down.
I still like this trade besides the 1st rd draft pic
If we can bring over Roko Ukic from Europe (we own his rights) there is our backup..draft experts were REALLY high on this kid when we drafted him and labeled him as a draft steal in the 2nd round. If not, it wont be too hard to get a backup PG through the draft or free agency.
We cut Garbajosa by the way and hes a SF not a C lol :-\
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^Garabajosa plays 3 positions. He was used as a center when he played with you guys...Did Toronto officially cut him yet?
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Hmmm...guess I missed it:
Raptors agree terms on buy-out of Garbajosa (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlEzOnkpPc8xrJT4UFhY87ukvLYF?slug=afp-basketnbaespraptorsgarbajosa&prov=afp&type=lgns)
Jun 18, 6:01 pm EDT
TORONTO (AFP) - The Toronto Raptors of the National Basketball Association have reached an agreement to buy out the contract of Spanish forward Jorge Garbajosa.
Garbajosa, who was owed 4.25 million dollars on the final year of a three-year, 12.75 million-dollar contract, was released by the team on Wednesday.
"After a long, difficult and sometimes emotional process stemming from a traumatic injury to a key player, it was concluded that parting ways was the best thing for both Jorge and Raptors organization," Toronto general manager Bryan Colangelo said.
"We wish Jorge nothing but the best with his basketball future."
Garbajosa, 30, was limited to just seven games in the 2007-08 season while recovering from a serious leg injury.
Garbajosa was hurt at the end of March in an NBA game against the Boston Celtics, but opted to forego surgery in order to play for Spain in EuroBasket 2007.
The Raptors had originally denied the 29-year-old permission to play in the tournament because of the injury concerns.
Although the club said that surgery was Garbajosa's "best option" for a full recovery, they reached an agreement that let him play in EuroBasket, with the Spanish Basketball Federation taking out insurance on him.
Garbajosa ended up having surgery in December - after the NBA season had begun - with doctors telling him to stay off his feet for a minimum of 10 weeks.
The Raptors also said Wednesday they had reached a settlement with the Spanish Federation over the claim filed by the Raptors in connection with non-payment of insurance proceeds related to Garbajosa's injury.
"We are pleased that an acceptable resolution was reached and we can finally put this behind us," Colangelo said.
Spanish national team coach Aito Garcia Reneses has included Garbajosa's name in his pool of players for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, but it was uncertain whether he will play.
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^Garabajosa plays 3 positions. He was used as a center when he played with you guys...Did Toronto officially cut him yet?
he rarely played C though; PF yes, but usually SF..as u can see, yep he's been cut.
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^We'll, he's listed as both a forward and a center...When I saw him play, he was definitely not playing a small forward game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4196
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
yea its the draft pick that's concerning me as well
Rasho did step it up but its not somethin I expect he'll continue for us
Let's wait it out and see how this plays out...
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raptors should get Remon Van de Hare, they got his rights too, he's a good big man. and would be good to see another dutchie in the nba hehe
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ye i like this trade if they dont give up that draft pick...raps r soft in the paint, they need a guy who can push some dudes around
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ESPN.com also has an article up about the trade.
They also noted another trade rumour:
Multiple reports surfaced this past weekend about a possible trade that would have the Raptors sending Ford and their first-round pick (No. 17 overall) to the Phoenix Suns for forward Boris Diaw.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3457325
I would've been quite annoyed if they did that trade.
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LOL@Diaw. :puke:
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the diaw one would be fuckin awful..mines will throw in Rasho and get JO
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the diaw one would be fuckin awful..mines will throw in Rasho and get JO
yea, id rather have JO than Diaw
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i think toronto is best off getting rid of ford now whilst he still has some value especially with calderon emerging like he did. i think calderon is a real dope point guard personnaly, he can hit the jumpshot and his running of the offece is impeccable.
but at the same time i feel toronto can get a better trade than this. JO aint proved shit even in his "glory" years. plus his esentially the same player as bosh, both big guys who'd prefer the 15ft jay then a bit of contact in the paint. we have just seen in the boston lakers series how important it is too have a few big guys who can "bang".
i think bargani has been a real disappointment so far. if he was livng up to potential then toronto would be in a much better posistion.
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good trade for both if JO can get healthy
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^^ that is true but thats a big if.
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^^ that is true but thats a big if.
hes only 29, he can recover 8)
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plus his esentially the same player as bosh, both big guys who'd prefer the 15ft jay then a bit of contact in the paint.
Exactly what I was thinking.
we have just seen in the boston lakers series how important it is too have a few big guys who can "bang".
Huh? Garnett is also a jump shooting big...I see what you mean, though. Boston was more physical, but their big guys don't really define "bang"...LOL.
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^^ yeah thats what i meant lol..... more physical like pj brown and perkins where. but your right about garnett, i couldnt believe how many jumpshots he took in the lakers series.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
They'd be doing good to get J Oneal for Ford. Its not like Ford doesn't have a history of serious injuries. Tor needs to just get rid of him while he has value. They cant keep both him and Calderon and have both of them be happy with their situation. Backup pg won't be much of a concern after draft day as they are likely to grab Augustin with their pick.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
They'd be doing good to get J Oneal for Ford. Its not like Ford doesn't have a history of serious injuries. Tor needs to just get rid of him while he has value. They cant keep both him and Calderon and have both of them be happy with their situation. Backup pg won't be much of a concern after draft day as they are likely to grab Augustin with their pick.
His injuries have been off of freak accidents, not cuz he is injury prone ala JO.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
They'd be doing good to get J Oneal for Ford. Its not like Ford doesn't have a history of serious injuries. Tor needs to just get rid of him while he has value. They cant keep both him and Calderon and have both of them be happy with their situation. Backup pg won't be much of a concern after draft day as they are likely to grab Augustin with their pick.
His injuries have been off of freak accidents, not cuz he is injury prone ala JO.
If I'm understanding his situation correctly, he has a pre existing spinal chord condition (spinal stenosis or something like that) which makes him prone to these freak accidents and in fact he is actually running a HUGE risk of permanently paralyzing himself by playing in the NBA. The Raps would be doing great in this deal. A team taking on Ford is accepting a ton of risk.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
They'd be doing good to get J Oneal for Ford. Its not like Ford doesn't have a history of serious injuries. Tor needs to just get rid of him while he has value. They cant keep both him and Calderon and have both of them be happy with their situation. Backup pg won't be much of a concern after draft day as they are likely to grab Augustin with their pick.
Yeah, I wouldn;t mind if it was just Rasho and Ford for O'Neal.
I think including the draft pick isn't a good idea though.
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I dunno about this trade.
If it was Rasho and Ford only, I wouldn't mind doing it despite JO's injury problems.
But the draft pick seems a bit much.
Plus, Rasho played pretty nicely for us when Bosh was hurt this past season.
I think we can use Delfino at the point as well; he seemed alright last year when they played him at the position.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
They'd be doing good to get J Oneal for Ford. Its not like Ford doesn't have a history of serious injuries. Tor needs to just get rid of him while he has value. They cant keep both him and Calderon and have both of them be happy with their situation. Backup pg won't be much of a concern after draft day as they are likely to grab Augustin with their pick.
Yeah, I wouldn;t mind if it was just Rasho and Ford for O'Neal.
I think including the draft pick isn't a good idea though.
probably, but its rare that trades actually happen as reported.
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Source: Toronto-Indiana deal off
Talks between the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers about a trade that would have included Jermaine O’Neal and T.J. Ford fell apart on Monday afternoon, a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations said.
For the past two days, Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo had been pushing the idea of sending Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday’s draft for O’Neal. For a few hours on Monday, there was a sense that the deal was close, but ultimately concerns over the damaged state of O’Neal and Ford were too much to consummate the trade.
The Pacers were concerned about Ford’s future with his past neck injuries, but were willing to start rebuilding without O’Neal and the $44 million owed him over the next two years. O’Neal played just 42 games a year ago, because of a left knee injury.
The trade would have given Indiana the 11th and 17th picks in the draft, allowing Indiana to take a point guard and a forward. The Raptors have been one of the league’s most active teams in trying to move up in the draft, and they’ve made no secret about their desire to move Ford and make restricted free agent Jose Calderon the point guard of the future.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjteZBopZw5YZEg.s8wIO.u8vLYF?slug=aw-tradeoff062308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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^aw well
maybe will still make a deal; i have feeling we will - Colangelo doesnt accept poor seasons without makin moves.
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LOL...so in essence, Indiana backed off the trade. IDIOTS.
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^aw well
maybe will still make a deal; i have feeling we will - Colangelo doesnt accept poor seasons without makin moves.
i hope he doesn't do that rumoured Diaw deal :-X
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^aw well
maybe will still make a deal; i have feeling we will - Colangelo doesnt accept poor seasons without makin moves.
i hope he doesn't do that rumoured Diaw deal :-X
that would be awful
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Looks like the trade is back on:
NEW YORK – After on-and-off again negotiations, the Indiana Pacers have agreed in principle to send six-time All-Star Jermaine O’Neal to the Toronto Raptors for point guard T.J. Ford and the 17th pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, a league executive said Wednesday.
After nearly completing the deal earlier in the week, Pacers and Raptors officials needed to exchange more medical information on O’Neal’s left knee and Ford’s neck before finding a comfort level with the trade. It is believed both sides now are comfortable making the deal, though the trade won’t be complete until both O’Neal and Ford pass their physicals.
Toronto also will send Rasho Nesterovic and another role player to match up with O’Neal’s salary. O’Neal is owed $44 million over the next two seasons. He played just 42 games for Indiana a year ago with a left knee injury. O’Neal has expressed a desire to leave the Pacers for a contender.
Ford, who has a history of neck injuries, became expendable when Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo decided that he wanted to make Jose Calderon the franchise’s future at point guard.
The Pacers would now hold the 11th and 17th picks in the draft.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoTH7qPo8izSPj8fnzo_P5a8vLYF?slug=aw-jermaineonealtraded062508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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Portland GM Kevin Pritchard had been counting on beating out Indiana for Augustin, but the Pacers likely no longer have that great a need for Augustin after agreeing in principle to trade Jermaine O’Neal to Toronto for point guard T.J. Ford, center Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick.
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So it's pretty much a done deal.. :o
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this is crazy if it goes down, im not sure what to think of it yet, but im excited to see Bosh and JO playing beside each other.
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We know Colangelo loves his small ball lineups.
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On the eve of the NBA draft, the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers finally agreed to a trade.
Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending review of medical information, would send Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday's NBA draft.
ESPN.com has also learned that the Raptors will get the 41st pick from the Pacers as part of the deal while the Pacers will receive Raptors forward Maceo Baston to complete the deal.
Ford's contract makes him a "base-year compensation" player, meaning the trade cannot be completed until July 9.
courtest of nba.com
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this is crazy if it goes down, im not sure what to think of it yet, but im excited to see Bosh and JO playing beside each other.
fuck yeah me too!! i'm a big JO and a Big Bosh fan, and they should compliment each other well
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Indiana is denying the deal:
INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—The Indiana Pacers denied on Thursday reports of a deal to trade six-time All-Star forward Jermaine O’Neal to the Toronto Raptors for point guard T.J. Ford, center Rasho Nesterovic, the 17th pick in the draft and a player to be named.
The deal was reported by Yahoo, citing an unidentified NBA executive, and The Indianapolis Star, which cited a person familiar with the talks that it did not name.
Pacers spokesman David Benner said those reports were premature.
“There is no trade to announce. It is all speculation,” Benner told The Associated Press.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AidTJ4W63UVBHgPcEQiiCIu8vLYF?slug=ap-raptors-pacerstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
This is turning into a soap opera lol
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^LOL what the fuck
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WTF
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Shit like this happens all the time...it might not even go down. Nobody's gunna say it's official until it's 100% finalized.
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Theyre probably just ironing out details right now. Tor probably decided they wanted to keep their pick or something...
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Theyre probably just ironing out details right now. Tor probably decided they wanted to keep their pick or something...
will see what happens..
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O'Neal is now confirming the trade:
INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—The Indiana Pacers are trading six-time All-Star forward Jermaine O’Neal to the Toronto Raptors for point guard T.J. Ford, center Rasho Nesterovic, the 17th pick in the draft and a player to be determined.
O’Neal confirmed the trade Thursday, saying he was pleased with the move by team president Larry Bird.
“He wanted to get me to a place where I could contend and do what I’m capable of doing,” O’Neal told The Associated Press. “We both agreed that the timing was perfect. His focus on getting them (the Pacers) to a level where they can grow and start to be competitive was tremendous.”
Pacers spokesman David Benner said he could not confirm the trade.
“We’re stuck in our role here, the players can say whatever they want, we can’t say anything,” Benner said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiV9Er2EA3v1nn6y0QcZSha8vLYF?slug=ap-raptors-pacerstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns