West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: E-Class on June 23, 2008, 05:12:46 PM
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Why is it that a lot of West coast rappers go out of their way to let people know they are from the west coast?
Moreover, why do we get into this thing about how violent our coast is and wear it as a badge of honor. Why are we so quick to say everybody is taking our style trying to be crips and bloods, like it's something to be proud of.
Number One, the west coast really ain't all that bad. Yeah, I guess days do get darker when you walking through an enemy hood with the wrong colors on. These are some of the things that makes west coast rap wack to me. West Coast rap has become a cliche. The music community doesn't really respect us and I don't blame em. Some will tell you that it's the beef between artists, but that's bullshit, we keep putting out the same song. Niggas ain't buying it no more. The gangbanging don't hold no more weight when snoop gotta reality show, spending time with the kids and really coming off like a square dad (and its nothing wrong with that). Ice Cube is doing movies and his whole steez is reflecting something that is a far cry from what one would say is authentically street. These are the legends.
We got talented artists that make themselves wacker by pigeon-holing themselves. Yeah, the south does this to an extent too, but west coast artist, got hand signs, and have to remind the listener every 3 bars what coast they from. West Coast rap is slowly becoming a parody of itself.
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Gotta Admit, you have a point! :-\ :-\
But remember these are Artist that are in the main picture right now. There are some of the less known rappers that hardly follow that rhyme pattern,to the extent that you would not think they were from WestCoast, or SoCal to be exact...
I think you need to narrow it down to SoCal, cuz as far as i know the Bay have their own style which differs incredibly from SoCal
Plus let's not forget, Younger rapper Fans, want to see SoCal rappers talk more about their Street Cred, i.e Gang Banging more than hear anything else..To Them that Rapper is Fake or A Bubble Gum Rapper' ::) ::)
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i feel wat u saying homie.
anothr thing though is they giv shoutouts that they represent from the west but most of ther material or major single is eithr produced by east or south producer. eg game, he seriously can help the west but not they way hes doin it. He mite as well say hes from new york really. His new album got production & guest appearances are mainly from east & south & thats why i dont consider him a westcoast artist.
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Nice thread. We really need west coast artists not about the gangs and banging and violence ( and they are out there) to get a serious push from labels. Bishop Lamont is looking like the best bet at this point to do that and be successful. But I feel what you saying fab. The thing I don't like is that there is alot of dope artists that do not live that lifestyle and are just dope artists and they do not get a 2nd look. I hate that shit.
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anothr thing though is they giv shoutouts that they represent from the west but most of ther material or major single is eithr produced by east or south producer.
^Not to derail this, But I have to cosign with that Point!
It sounds weird when a Westcoast rapper is Repping His Turf/Street while flowing on a Dirty south Beat/Non-WestCoast Beat!
IMO i just don't see it as fully Repping the West in that Regard. Others may disagree,but i feel arguably that beat should be one made by One of Your,so the Reppin and the Locality of the Producer go hand in hand.. But that's just me..
**BACK TO DISCUSSION** ;)
The thing I don't like is that there is alot of dope artists that do not live that lifestyle and are just dope artists and they do not get a 2nd look. I hate that shit.
Ain't That The Truth! :-\
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That was one thing I miss about music from the west in the 90's. A group like Pharcyde, Alkaholiks, Heiro, Casual, Blood Of Abraham, Funkdoobiest, Cypress (to a certain extent with some of their content), etc were successful along with the gangsta rap that was dropping. Now if people here a dope Cali mc that has lyrics, that are not about gangs, they automatically say he or she ain't from here either.
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That nigga Kurupt4Life is stupid as fuck.
Like Glasses Malone said, WTF so just becuase you shout out the place youre from
you gotta have a Westcoast beat? Get the fuck outta here.
That Kurup4Life really need to see someone with his UK living ass.
THEY ARE FROM THE WESTCOAST, HENCE WHY THEY SHOUTING IT OUT.
URE TELLIN ME JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOUTING OUT THE PLACE THEY'RE FROM ALL THE TIME, THEY CANT HAVE SOUTH/EASTCOAST BEATS AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT?
This nigga dumb as fuck.
They pick the beat THEY LIKE, The music THEY feel is good, The beat THEY feel they could flow good on, not some internet nigga looking for a new Kurupt verse ever day.
People like Kurupt4Life is the reason why Westcoast rappers stay rappin like they in the 90s. Just listen to Doctors Advocate, Game never rapped like that before because niggas was complaining
about how he from the West but his flow sounds East. Pitty ass shit like that.
Fuck out my face.
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i feel wat u saying homie.
anothr thing though is they giv shoutouts that they represent from the west but most of ther material or major single is eithr produced by east or south producer. eg game, he seriously can help the west but not they way hes doin it. He mite as well say hes from new york really. His new album got production & guest appearances are mainly from east & south & thats why i dont consider him a westcoast artist.
I disagree with this. Game has helped spawn plenty of careers on the West. He's helped Lil E, Jay Rock, K-Dot, Ya Boy, Clyde Carson, Juice, G. Malone, Topic, Eastwood, etc... All of these artists have received more attention and fans just by being on Game's mixtapes. Game's flow is a little more grimey than your average Westcoast artist so his flow naturally goes better over beats from the East. That doesn't make him any less of a Westcoast artist. He can still rip a Westcoast beat as well.
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its kinda lame
the east coast is the better coast afterall
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That nigga Kurupt4Life is stupid as fuck.
Like Glasses Malone said, WTF so just becuase you shout out the place youre from
you gotta have a Westcoast beat? Get the fuck outta here.
That Kurup4Life really need to see someone with his UK living ass.
This nigga dumb as fuck.
Fuck out my face.
Messi aka '1Mic','Nigga Witta Attitude'....Different name, but same trash..
You Dissing Kurupt4life, cuz he is from the Uk??
but aren't you residing SOMEHWERE IN EUROPE???
They pick the beat THEY LIKE, The music THEY feel is good, The beat THEY feel they could flow good on,.THEY ARE FROM THE WESTCOAST, HENCE WHY THEY SHOUTING IT OUT.
URE TELLIN ME JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOUTING OUT THE PLACE THEY'RE FROM ALL THE TIME, THEY CANT HAVE SOUTH/EASTCOAST BEATS AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT?
Well Arguably that is on them. But seriously why not repp the WestCoast while flowing on a westcoast Beat, it would make more Sense IMO!
But if it's done on a dirty South Beat and it's dope, then it's dope.But I'd prefer, especially for that subject matter,for the artist to flow on a westcoast beat!
People like Kurupt4Life is the reason why Westcoast rappers stay rappin like they in the 90s. Just listen to Doctors Advocate, Game never rapped like that before because niggas was complaining
about how he from the West but his flow sounds East. Pitty ass shit like that.
C'mon Messi you can do better than that!
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sorry 4 changing the subject dogg. I was harsh saying game isnt a westcoast artist. see wen it comes 2 rap fans who dont kno anythn at all about politics etc, really the guys who are not on forums & jus listen 2 music mainly singles, wen they hear a game ft. Lil wayne trak, they aint gonna say why isnt game holla at a westcoast artist on this trak, ther gona think this is a dope trak, they'l say the same thing 4 common, raekwon, ludacris etc. (no disrespect 2 them at all).
game is easily the best on the west cuz hes well known, he does go wit the westcoast on mixtapes but ther not heard that well as albums are. Sum1 said here hes helped the young westcoasts eg gmalone, jay rock etc, yh he has on mixapes though, not albums. If game had malone on 1 of his singles, he'd be helping malone get recognition, making sum1 say "whos that dude wit game?"
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That nigga Kurupt4Life is stupid as fuck.
Like Glasses Malone said, WTF so just becuase you shout out the place youre from
you gotta have a Westcoast beat? Get the fuck outta here.
That Kurup4Life really need to see someone with his UK living ass.
This nigga dumb as fuck.
Fuck out my face.
Messi aka '1Mic','Nigga Witta Attitude'....Different name, but same trash..
You Dissing Kurupt4life, cuz he is from the Uk??
but aren't you residing SOMEHWERE IN EUROPE???
They pick the beat THEY LIKE, The music THEY feel is good, The beat THEY feel they could flow good on,.THEY ARE FROM THE WESTCOAST, HENCE WHY THEY SHOUTING IT OUT.
URE TELLIN ME JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOUTING OUT THE PLACE THEY'RE FROM ALL THE TIME, THEY CANT HAVE SOUTH/EASTCOAST BEATS AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT?
Well Arguably that is on them. But seriously why not repp the WestCoast while flowing on a westcoast Beat, it would make more Sense IMO!
But if it's done on a dirty South Beat and it's dope, then it's dope.But I'd prefer, especially for that subject matter,for the artist to flow on a westcoast beat!
People like Kurupt4Life is the reason why Westcoast rappers stay rappin like they in the 90s. Just listen to Doctors Advocate, Game never rapped like that before because niggas was complaining
about how he from the West but his flow sounds East. Pitty ass shit like that.
C'mon Messi you can do better than that!
I change names how many times i want why do u care and they keep banning me cuz muthafuckas stay snitching thats why dumb ass
and no im not from Europe but i am there currently but that still doesnt mean i live here
The point i was saying was, how can he talk about whats westcoast IF HE AINT FROM THE WEST??
This dude was saying that how come they shout out westcoast this, westcoast that and then have south beats
wtf, what kinda shit is that? So cuz they yellin out the place they are from, they cant have how many eastcoast/south beats as they want?
That was the point dumb ass and if you read it through again, you would know see that.
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That nigga Kurupt4Life is stupid as fuck.
Like Glasses Malone said, WTF so just becuase you shout out the place youre from
you gotta have a Westcoast beat? Get the fuck outta here.
That Kurup4Life really need to see someone with his UK living ass.
This nigga dumb as fuck.
Fuck out my face.
Messi aka '1Mic','Nigga Witta Attitude'....Different name, but same trash..
You Dissing Kurupt4life, cuz he is from the Uk??
but aren't you residing SOMEHWERE IN EUROPE???
They pick the beat THEY LIKE, The music THEY feel is good, The beat THEY feel they could flow good on,.THEY ARE FROM THE WESTCOAST, HENCE WHY THEY SHOUTING IT OUT.
URE TELLIN ME JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOUTING OUT THE PLACE THEY'RE FROM ALL THE TIME, THEY CANT HAVE SOUTH/EASTCOAST BEATS AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT?
Well Arguably that is on them. But seriously why not repp the WestCoast while flowing on a westcoast Beat, it would make more Sense IMO!
But if it's done on a dirty South Beat and it's dope, then it's dope.But I'd prefer, especially for that subject matter,for the artist to flow on a westcoast beat!
People like Kurupt4Life is the reason why Westcoast rappers stay rappin like they in the 90s. Just listen to Doctors Advocate, Game never rapped like that before because niggas was complaining
about how he from the West but his flow sounds East. Pitty ass shit like that.
C'mon Messi you can do better than that!
I change names how many times i want why do u care and they keep banning me cuz muthafuckas stay snitching thats why dumb ass and no im not from Europe but i am there currently but that still doesnt mean i live here
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Why You change your name is trivial to me, i could careless!
Why You Keep getting Banned, is soemthing you need to look into!
The point i was saying was, how can he talk about whats westcoast IF HE AINT FROM THE WEST??
This dude was saying that how come they shout out westcoast this, westcoast that and then have south beats
wtf, what kinda shit is that? So cuz they yellin out the place they are from, they cant have how many eastcoast/south beats as they want?
That was the point dumb ass and if you read it through again, you would know see that.
But That Aside, as i have explained in my post, it would go well if a westcoast Rapper hooked up with a westcoast Producer, to rep his Turf. I feel the chemistry is more evident there than on a Dirty South Beat!
That's not to say he said artist can rhyme over a non-westcoast beat, but if he is reppin the West Coast, arguably that has to be on a WestCoast Beat! Why Rep where you are from on a Non-WestCoast Beat?? Rather use those beats to reach out to the Other Coast.
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Ultimately, I was just thinking that we go way out of our way to prove how west coast we are, that the variety of our music suffers from being monotonous. we use the same beat, same rhyme form, etc. We have this thing of where if a west coast artist is too lyrical, we'll label him as trying to be east coast. West Coast music has sort of a reggae thing going on. If you look at a producer like DRE, he can keep his signature sound but still venture out with the variety of his beats, just compare the shit he did for eminem, with Phone tap, with the shit he did on both chronics. In no way am i saying don't have pride for your coast, but when you beat us over the head with it, it becomes something cliche, especially when it's repeating the same topic we been on for the last 15 years. you can only smoke so much weed, drink so much malt liquor and set trip to a certain extent. I mean we going up against the artistry of Kanye's, Common's, Jay-Z's, not to mention a number of other artists who are pushing the envelope, and we still trying to prove how hard we are, still trying to etch an identity of ourselves that cats are starting to see through. I see it as focusing more on the the image than the craft. It's like we got the ill beret on, a large canvass, dope ass paintbrushes with all the colors in the spectrum....but we can't draw worth a shit. The symmetry's off and we been painting the same picture for years.
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are starting to see through. I see it as focusing more on the the image than the craft. It's like we got the ill beret on, a large canvass, dope ass paintbrushes with all the colors in the spectrum....but we can't draw worth a shit. The symmetry's off and we been painting the same picture for years.
Could it be, that 'Image' is what they have more so than anything else, hence the reason to Paint the same picture, but from a different angle??
A Little Experimentation will not go amiss! But will the fans like that???
I sure would like to hear more of that Stuff.
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that would be cool, but I really don't see the other angles. Once you've seen a picture of a square from the right, it really doesn't impress you once viewed from the left, top or bottom. West Coast artist, for the most part don't even do stories no more. The love songs have no true artistic sensibilities, to the point that they aren't really love songs. The last real good creative piece that I heard off the west coast was Ghetto Vet. In my opinion, that is probably in the top five of hip hop stories. That song was done within the scope of a west coast perspective without beating you over the head with how west coast the artist was. The backdrop and subject of the story was vintage west coast without having to overtly Westicize it. Sure, stay within that west coast pocket, but it's so many ways to freak it. I got no problem with gangsta rap, or west coast rap, i gotta problem with wackness and reinforcing bullshit stereotypes. Which is what I'm getting right now
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I thought every rapper from every region does this, especially rappers from the south. But yeah, I know what you're talking about. People take a lot of pride of where they're from.
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i'll give you my whole reason for even thinking up this post. It came from riding through various parts of L.a. one day. And i was thinking that gangbanging is such a small part of what this city is about. it's so rich in diversity and experiences. It's a wealth of shit to talk about from stories, to love songs, to culture, to the scenery, to the different classes that live here. And truthfully, it's way more of a pleasant experience than some would have you think. Shit, I'm from compton and hermosa beach is less than 20 minutes away and it's gorgeous, right on the border of compton is carson, go down central and you can walk on the campus of Dominguez hills which is real nice to look at and walk through. the nightlife on sunset, venice on the weekends, all the nice malls you can go to to get at chicks.....these are damn near walking distance from the hood (or a ten minute bus ride). This is shit everybody got access to for little to no money at all. So that killa cali bravado start to look real suspect to a out of town visitor.Yeah if one were to drive down Fig between Century and adams, life look hella bleak, or if they ride down central through watts, yeah..but that every state. Anyway,thats just my perception of it.
why limit ourselves when we have access to infinite creative resources.
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Why is it that a lot of West coast rappers go out of their way to let people know they are from the west coast?
Moreover, why do we get into this thing about how violent our coast is and wear it as a badge of honor. Why are we so quick to say everybody is taking our style trying to be crips and bloods, like it's something to be proud of.
Number One, the west coast really ain't all that bad. Yeah, I guess days do get darker when you walking through an enemy hood with the wrong colors on. These are some of the things that makes west coast rap wack to me. West Coast rap has become a cliche. The music community doesn't really respect us and I don't blame em. Some will tell you that it's the beef between artists, but that's bullshit, we keep putting out the same song. Niggas ain't buying it no more. The gangbanging don't hold no more weight when snoop gotta reality show, spending time with the kids and really coming off like a square dad (and its nothing wrong with that). Ice Cube is doing movies and his whole steez is reflecting something that is a far cry from what one would say is authentically street. These are the legends.
We got talented artists that make themselves wacker by pigeon-holing themselves. Yeah, the south does this to an extent too, but west coast artist, got hand signs, and have to remind the listener every 3 bars what coast they from. West Coast rap is slowly becoming a parody of itself.
I see alot of shit on the forums, & I usually, for most parts, just read the shit. Because in my opinion EVERY fucking thing is out of order. LIFE is out of order, & b4 any idiot goes "Were talking about music!", music is a sub culture of life. Some of yall may know me, some may not, my crew at one time was the most talked about INDEPENDANT label in the game, IV LIFE RECORDS!!, we were on every site, & talked about in damn near every hood. I was a big part behind the music direction, as well as an artist, and my motto whenever asked what type of style we had, I would reply "NO STYLE or VERSATILE STYLE!" Im the type of guy who studies a situation then I make a decision. I always tell people there's no situation that can out think you, because situations have no brains, so most of the things in life that are difficult, we in some shape form or fashion make difficult ourselves. This subject was one I've often pondered many times, in many different ways. First WE as fans, & I say we cuzz I am still a fan of RAP(at least still trying 2 have hope!) we need 2 accept a painting 4 what it is. All paintings R not going 2 be accepted,understood, or enjoyed by Everyone! 4 so many different reasons, So if it has something for U, cop it if not, DONT. Isn't it funny how some one can give U something & at that time U may not have use 4 it, or U just didn't know U did, and then later it can come in handy.(GET MY POINT!)If its GOOD Its GOOD, no matter what style of beat, what coast, if the rapper really has street cred(what the fuck is that about?) ??? And all I would ask these artists' is just 2 make sure what ever U do, Its U. Put your HEART & SOUL into it and dont let the FANS, RECORD LABELS, POLITICS,or COASTAL RESIDENCY, ETC. tell U how 2 be U, becuzz they cant, there is only one person who can do that & that person is U. I remember when quote unqoute GANGSTA RAP! hit big all the labels wanted everybody 2 sound, look, & be GANGSTA! Isn't it funny how we allow THEM to set the tone ,when we're the ones making the FUCKING music.(GET DA FUCK OUTTA HERE!) I spoke on this beacause we had kind of a GANGSTA stigma behind us due to the coast we were on, our style of music, affiliations (Snoop,Tha Eastsidaz,Ice Cube, etc.). And I WAS Hood like a Muhfucka!!, my hood was one of the most known gang sets in L.A., but my mind, my thoughts, my heart, my passion was far beyond The hood, The West Coast, HELL sometimes THE FUCKIN PLANET! If you're reading my post u should be able 2 tell by the convo & SOME of the correct punctuations, Im not one of your TYPICAL HOOD CATS, and that's my point, I never let POLITRICKS control me. So I feel U fabianbonaparte, and off record for a moment lets see if I can get this motion moving, has anyone noticed how much of a THREAT rap was when it was supposedly, 2 violent, degrading, and negative, or maybe BACK THEN it was just 2 DAMN INFORMATIVE!!!!!!! on the things the powers that be didn't want the rest of the world 2 know? HHHMMMMMMMM!!!! Just my thoughts. And I am currently workin on some shit that I hope can throw our culture a life preserver but in the mean time check me out at www.myspace/opnmynded.
THE HARDEST ARTIST!! Mr. Muthafuckin 2COOL= SAVIOR 2 THA STREETS Im OUT!i'll give you my whole reason for even thinking up this post. It came from riding through various parts of L.a. one day. And i was thinking that gangbanging is such a small part of what this city is about. it's so rich in diversity and experiences. It's a wealth of shit to talk about from stories, to love songs, to culture, to the scenery, to the different classes that live here. And truthfully, it's way more of a pleasant experience than some would have you think. Shit, I'm from compton and hermosa beach is less than 20 minutes away and it's gorgeous, right on the border of compton is carson, go down central and you can walk on the campus of Dominguez hills which is real nice to look at and walk through. the nightlife on sunset, venice on the weekends, all the nice malls you can go to to get at chicks.....these are damn near walking distance from the hood (or a ten minute bus ride). This is shit everybody got access to for little to no money at all. So that killa cali bravado start to look real suspect to a out of town visitor.Yeah if one were to drive down Fig between Century and adams, life look hella bleak, or if they ride down central through watts, yeah..but that every state. Anyway,thats just my perception of it.
why limit ourselves when we have access to infinite creative resources.
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^^TooCol, not sure what happened, but you guys had a good thing Good!!
Well not point in sitting down pondering on 'what it's' etc. We have to work on the present to ensure we have a future!
Sometimes if an artist wants to expand and try new horizon, he/she will lose some fans as a result of that sudden need for growth!
That is what is the biggest problem facing artist these days. As The Homie Fabian pointed out in his post just above yours, there's alot more to rhyme about outside of the 'Gangsta Image' that can still be fresh and head-bobbing to listen to..
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its kinda lame
the east coast is the better coast afterall
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its kinda lame
the east coast is the better coast afterall
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nope
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The south does this too with Miami, Houston, Atlanta...
New York was guilty of it in the 90s.