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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: David Mack on July 06, 2008, 11:09:44 AM
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Now last nite just proved why MMA judging is bullshit. Now I give Forrest Griffin props he fought a hellava fight and I thought he would've been koed in the 1st and he almost was but he stuck in there and fucked up Rampage's leg. But no way in hell was that a fucken unanimous decision nigga. I mean one fucken judge had it 4 rounds to 1 for forrest now thats some major bullshit rite there. Rampage clearly won rd 1 and 4 while forrest clearly won rd 2. Rd 3 and 5 were close as hell with me maybe giving the slight edge to forrest in rd 5 because he was being a little more aggressive. From watching boxing for the last 20 yrs and MMA for the last 10, the assumption is that if the champion isn't beaten in decisive fashion, the champ should retain. Last nite was not decisive in any way and could have been a draw or a split. Just looks like they holdin a black man down seeing that forrest is they golden boy n'all.
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Rampage won that fight...
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Rampage won that fight...
Rampage should have retained. It was bullshit Rogan thought that rd 2 when rampages knee gave out was a 10-8 rd. WTF???
Forrest just layed on him the whole round while rampage was trying to recover. NO way in hell does that constitute a 10-8 rd. I think these bullshit decision are going to be the downfall of MMA because it seems like a blind person could make a better judgement.
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rampage won, its just as bad as boxing now
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actually glad i missed that shit now...sucks if this is whats its coming to. the exact reason i cant take boxing serious,now ufc? :tosser:
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u guys r stupid that was a clear win for forrest...if u knew anything about how they give points and shit u woulda known. fuck the haters forest was the aggresor the whole fight...only time rampage there was when he countered...clear win for forest baby
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u guys r stupid that was a clear win for forrest...if u knew anything about how they give points and shit u woulda known. fuck the haters forest was the aggresor the whole fight...only time rampage there was when he countered...clear win for forest baby
I'm not hatin homie just tellin it how it is. How did forrest clearly win? i"m not saying rampage clearly won either. It could have been a draw. Sure forrest was moving forward and pushing pace but rampage was landing the more effective damaging blows but forrest was throwing more. It's pure convention that if ur gonna beat a champ u have to beat him decisevely or else the champ retains and forrest didn't beat rampage decisevly at all. All the expert mma sites had rampage winning by one point. here is mmajunkie.com breakdown:
QUINTON JACKSON VS. FORREST GRIFFIN
ROUND 1 - Quick start. Griffin lands a jab, and a few leg kicks to open. Griffin is moving quickly in and out. Pace settles a bit, and the fighters exchange punches. Griffin jabs, and Jackson misses with big punches. Griffin clinches, both fighters score, and they seperate. Griffin continues to work low kicks. jackson lands a few solid blows, and wobbles Griffin, but Griffin pushes forward. More leg kicks from Griffin. Jackson lands, but Griffin counters. Griffin far more active, as Jackson appears to be looking for the big shot, which he lands. Jackson on top of Griffin, and Griffin holds guard, recovering. Jackson lands a punch, and Griffin stands. Both fighters trade. Great action, and the crows is roaring. Round ends, and MMAjunkie.com gives it Jackson, 10-9.
ROUND 2 - Griffin lands a few big leg kicks, and Jackson is wobbling. Griffin rushes in, and falls to the ground with a guillotine. Griffin is on top, in half-mount. Jackson is securing Griffin's upper body, and Griffin is landin little from the top. Griffin postures, and moves to side contrl. Griffin secures an arm, but Jackson pulls it out. Griffin controls from the top, and Jackson is offering little in the way o f defense. Griffin moves to mount, and Jackson works to keep him close. Two minutes remain. Griffin is secure in mount, but not landing anything too severe as of yet. Griffin is locked in on top, and scoring with a few short elbows. Jackson surviving, but appears lost underneath Griffin. The round ends, and MMAjunkie.com scores it 10-9 for Griffin.
ROUND 3 - Jackson's leg is obviosly hurt. Slower pace from Griffin. Jackson looking for power punches, while Griffin continues to engage and retreat. Jackson lands a solid three-punch combination. Griffin answers with more kicks. Griffin looks to jab, and Jackson is looking to counter. Griffin controlling the pace, and continuing to score with jabs and low kicks. Jackson misses with a big left. Jackson landing single shots, but Griffin is contolling the center of the cage. More leg kicks from Griffin. Jackson lands a left counter. Griffin moves forward, Jackson looks to counter, but Griffin escapes and the round ends. MMAjunkie.com scores a very close round to Jackson based on effectiveness, 10-9.
ROUND 4 - Griffin opens with a high kick. Jackson lands a few punches. Exciting exchange, and Griffin tries to tie up, but Jackson lands on top. Jackson works from Griffin's guard, and Griffin has a cut above his right eye. Griffin locks in a deep triangle, and Jackson looks for a signature slam. Griffin releases his legs at the last second, but still hits the mat. More blood from Griffin, and Jackson remains on top. Griffin tries to escape, and moves to an omoplata. Jackson escaoes, and the fighters return to the feet. Big left from Jackson, and Griffin counters. Missed punches by both fighters. Griffin has abandoned the leg kick that was so effective earlier. Another close round, but MMAjunkie.com scores it 10-9 for Jackson.
ROUND 5 - Griffin takes the center of the cage. Slower pace, but neither figher looks overly gassed. Griffin the aggressor, but nothing scoring heavily. Leg kick again by Griffin, and Jackson wobbles. Griffin landing a few straight punches. Jackson still looking to counter. Griffin remains the aggressor. Jackson moves in, but Griffin scores with the counter. Jackson showing little in the way of offense. Now a clinch, but quickly broken. Griffin lands a nice right. Both fighters looking for openings. Another leg kick from Griffin. Griffin moving away as Jackson finally moves forward. A clinch, and the fight is over. MMAjunkie gives another close round to Griffin, 10-9, but a razor-thin decision, which could be heading for a split, to Jackson, 48-47.
sherdog.com had 3 analyzers where one gave it to jackson, one called it a draw and one gave it to forrest
Round 1
The fighters trade punches at the sound of the bell with nothing connecting solid. Griffin gets the action started with a right hand lead that lands. Griffin is working the lead leg of Jackson early with low kicks. A left hook from the champion finds its target. Griffin jabs with his left and goes back to Jackson's leg with a kick. A punching flurry punctuated by powerful left staggers Griffin. The challenger comes forward however, glancing a right straight and a low kick. A right uppercut counter collapsesGriffin to the canvas. Rampage enters Griffin's guard and moves him to the cage. Right hands land for Jackson as Forrest stood. Excellent opening frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 2
Griffin lands a low kick that hurts Jackson. His knee buckles as he retreats to the fencing. Griffin locks on a guillotine and trips Jackson to the canvas. He gives up the hold but takes top position. The challenger moves to side-control and works for an Americana. He gives up the submission to take the mount. Elbows and left hands land for Griffin. Forrest continues to elbow the head but he is doing little damage. All Griffin in the second frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Round 3
Griffin continues his assault on Jackson's left leg. Jackson is avoiding the majority of the incoming low kicks, but a few are getting through. Jackson, limping badly, is looking for a knockout punch. He hurts Griffin with a right hand but is now too slow to follow through. Griffin plays it smart by sticking and moving. Jackson tries to rally late in the round with a combination started with a right hook to the body. Griffin takes a bit of punishment but moves away.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Round 4
Jackson gets a takedown but is caught in a triangle. Griffin has the hold secured but he can't control Jackson's trapped arm. Jackson escapes but finds himself fighting an omaplata. The champion stands and lands a hard right hand on the now bleeding challenger. Forrest, dripping crimson fluid below his right eye, gets hit with a strong left right as the round closed.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 5
The fifth and final round starts with both fighters looking for a big punch. Griffin gets the best of early action with a right straight. Griffin goes back to the leg with a kick after tasting a right hook. Jackson turns it up a bit with a strong flurry. In the bout's final minute, Griffin went to the leg while Jackson loaded up with shots. Jackson was unable to connect as the close fight came to a close.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Everyone seems split with either giving it to rampage or calling it a draw. No way in hell forrest should have walked out with the title.
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i had forrest winning that shit too.... :-\
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it's a toss up..but Griffin dominated the second round 10-8...thats fo sure.
I had Jackson winning the 1st and third.......the rest was up in the air
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it's a toss up..but Griffin dominated the second round 10-8...thats fo sure.
I had Jackson winning the 1st and third.......the rest was up in the air
Even with yo input no way that was a decisive enough to warrant a title change. To beat the champ ya really need to beat em convincingly. Rampage should've retained. ya feel me? 8)
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that was bullshit, I thought Rampage won the fight too. ???
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it's a toss up..but Griffin dominated the second round 10-8...thats fo sure.
I had Jackson winning the 1st and third.......the rest was up in the air
Even with yo input no way that was a decisive enough to warrant a title change. To beat the champ ya really need to beat em convincingly. Rampage should've retained. ya feel me? 8)
yea, but UFC is trying to get away from that boxing type thinking...Whoever was the best fighter (even if it wasn't that much better) should win. Rampage even said himself "he whooped my ass"
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It was very close, but after it was over and the judges said Griffin won, even if it was only by 1 round, they couldn't have figured that it was too close and not enough to get the title. They had to pick a winner, and they can't change it just because it wasn't the defending champion. I do think Jackson should have won 3-2 on rounds, but Griffin fought a more complete fight and accomplished more, just because he slowed it down, had some nice kicks, took it to the ground and avoided the slugfest. Good news is they should fight again, so the rematch will complete the story.
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i like rampage and i'm okay with forrest but i had forrest winning that shit, and i give him major props for winning that shit.
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It was very close, but after it was over and the judges said Griffin won, even if it was only by 1 round, they couldn't have figured that it was too close and not enough to get the title. They had to pick a winner, and they can't change it just because it wasn't the defending champion. I do think Jackson should have won 3-2 on rounds, but Griffin fought a more complete fight and accomplished more, just because he slowed it down, had some nice kicks, took it to the ground and avoided the slugfest. Good news is they should fight again, so the rematch will complete the story.
Thats what im hoping for...a rematch
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
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I need to watch the fight again but my intial reaction was Griffin just edged it. I was very suprised with Rampage's peformance and how quick his leg got battered up from them kicks.
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it was a great fight and to be honest i had no idea who won that. Rampage had a lot of great hits and struck much more cleanly than Forrest. But MMA judges ALWAYS favour the aggressor and after Rampage hurt his leg Forrest was the aggressor for the last 3 rounds. I thot Rampage handled himself really well in the post fight interview. Real Humble
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
I think UFC judges don't care much about damage if it all of it happened in the beginning rounds. Are they suppossed to ignore the rest of the round of Rampage doesn't do anything? Whoever is the best fighter of the night gets the title. To them I believe Forrest was working more and getting to rampage a lot more. Even if it wasn't hurting.
Like I said..it ain't boxing where they favour the champion if its close.
But man im still pissed with rampage..he should've gotten closer to griffin and unloaded more. When i saw him hang his head after the 5th round, i knew he lost.
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
I think UFC judges don't care much about damage if it all of it happened in the beginning rounds. Are they suppossed to ignore the rest of the round of Rampage doesn't do anything? Whoever is the best fighter of the night gets the title. To them I believe Forrest was working more and getting to rampage a lot more. Even if it wasn't hurting.
Like I said..it ain't boxing where they favour the champion if its close.
But man im still pissed with rampage..he should've gotten closer to griffin and unloaded more. When i saw him hang his head after the 5th round, i knew he lost.
He just seemed far too tentative. For someone who claimed he wasn't bothered by Griffin's power, he didn't seem over enthusiastic on taking punches on the way in to deliver combo's himself.
It was a fight I never saw Rampage losing before hand, and I think maybe he went in the fight with the same attitude.
Did Quinton have a problem with his leg before the fight? I don't see how them leg kicks from Griffin affected him that quick. He's lucky it wasn't Jardine chopping away at him or that fight could of been stopped.
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
I think UFC judges don't care much about damage if it all of it happened in the beginning rounds. Are they suppossed to ignore the rest of the round of Rampage doesn't do anything? Whoever is the best fighter of the night gets the title. To them I believe Forrest was working more and getting to rampage a lot more. Even if it wasn't hurting.
Like I said..it ain't boxing where they favour the champion if its close.
But man im still pissed with rampage..he should've gotten closer to griffin and unloaded more. When i saw him hang his head after the 5th round, i knew he lost.
Not do anything the rest of the fight? He dropped Forrest on his head in Rd 3 and took him down a few more times in rd 3 and 4 as well as coming with some good combos. Forrest Won rd 2 and 5 Rampage 1 and 3 and I think Rampage did more in Rd 4 too..LOL@ saying he didnt do anything the rest the fight, go back and watch. Rd 5 cost Rampage he was very unagressive but rd 3 and 4 he was still stalking Forrest
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
I think UFC judges don't care much about damage if it all of it happened in the beginning rounds. Are they suppossed to ignore the rest of the round of Rampage doesn't do anything? Whoever is the best fighter of the night gets the title. To them I believe Forrest was working more and getting to rampage a lot more. Even if it wasn't hurting.
Like I said..it ain't boxing where they favour the champion if its close.
But man im still pissed with rampage..he should've gotten closer to griffin and unloaded more. When i saw him hang his head after the 5th round, i knew he lost.
Not do anything the rest of the fight? He dropped Forrest on his head in Rd 3 and took him down a few more times in rd 3 and 4 as well as coming with some good combos. Forrest Won rd 2 and 5 Rampage 1 and 3 and I think Rampage did more in Rd 4 too..LOL@ saying he didnt do anything the rest the fight, go back and watch. Rd 5 cost Rampage he was very unagressive but rd 3 and 4 he was still stalking Forrest
I saw the fight agian the next day to see if Rampage really did get screwed, cause thats how i was feelin after i watched it the first time. But then you could see in Round 4 that it could've gone either way. But I believe the judges saw Forrest land more shots.
btw, i didn't say he didn't do anything the rest of the fight. Im just saying if a fighter does some major damage on his opponent, but then doesn't do much after that..are the judges suppossed to ignore the rest of the fight if his opponent wins the other rounds, but does less damage?
Anyways I had the rounds (after watching the second time)
10-9 Rampage
10-8 Forrest
10-9 Rampage
10-9 Rampage (could've gone either way)
10-9 Forrest
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Rampages trainer Juanito Ibarra is going to set up a protest to NSAC about the decision.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=13575
Even Forrests Coach Randy Couture said that it was too close to call and that in an instance like that, THE CHAMP SHOULD RETAIN. it's in the link. This is a Black eye for the sport I feel. What else is bullshit is that Rampage might not even get an immediate shot!!! He should be getting the shot ASAP!! Like this fall or winter.
ESPN also came out with an article saying forrest didn't do enough to take rampages belt.
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3475512
THERE NEEDS TO BE A FUCKIN REMATCH!! JUSTICE FOR RAMPAGE AND THE SPORT!! TWO OF THE JUDGES GAVE THE 1ST RD TO FUCKEN FORREST!! EVENTHOUGH RAMPAGE ALMOST KNOCKED HIS HEAD INTO OUTERSPACE AND DOMINATED THE ROUND!!
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title. Did u guys see Forrest Face compared to Rampages? I Always thought when it was that close it comes down to who did the most damage, and that was clearly rampage
I think UFC judges don't care much about damage if it all of it happened in the beginning rounds. Are they suppossed to ignore the rest of the round of Rampage doesn't do anything? Whoever is the best fighter of the night gets the title. To them I believe Forrest was working more and getting to rampage a lot more. Even if it wasn't hurting.
Like I said..it ain't boxing where they favour the champion if its close.
But man im still pissed with rampage..he should've gotten closer to griffin and unloaded more. When i saw him hang his head after the 5th round, i knew he lost.
He just seemed far too tentative. For someone who claimed he wasn't bothered by Griffin's power, he didn't seem over enthusiastic on taking punches on the way in to deliver combo's himself.
It was a fight I never saw Rampage losing before hand, and I think maybe he went in the fight with the same attitude.
Did Quinton have a problem with his leg before the fight? I don't see how them leg kicks from Griffin affected him that quick. He's lucky it wasn't Jardine chopping away at him or that fight could of been stopped.
He was tentative because his leg was basically done. All that showed was great heart rampage fought on one leg and still should walked away with the title. Reports were that rampage was having trouble with his knee and ankle in training camp because he came in very heavy and out of shape so that might have something to do with his leg giving in rite away.
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he didnt BEAT the Champ it was too close imo that doesnt warrant rampage losing the title.
exactly, in order for Forrest to take the belt away from Rampage he should have been the clear cut winner....You cant just give the belt away like that. UFC pretty much handed the belt to Forrest!
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hopefully we a rematch REAL soon
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u guys r stupid that was a clear win for forrest...if u knew anything about how they give points and shit u woulda known. fuck the haters forest was the aggresor the whole fight...only time rampage there was when he countered...clear win for forest baby
Could you please enlighten us as to how they give points then? You say that like you're some kind of either professional judge or were a professional fighter at some point in your life and know way more about the sport than anyone on this board. I honestly would like to know myself how they did score the fight to where forrest won by unanimous decision
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u guys r stupid that was a clear win for forrest...if u knew anything about how they give points and shit u woulda known. fuck the haters forest was the aggresor the whole fight...only time rampage there was when he countered...clear win for forest baby
Could you please enlighten us as to how they give points then? You say that like you're some kind of either professional judge or were a professional fighter at some point in your life and know way more about the sport than anyone on this board. I honestly would like to know myself how they did score the fight to where forrest won by unanimous decision
real spit. Ocho Cinco obviosuly didnt watch the fight and is another sheep on the Forrest bandwagon. UFC just wanted him to be champ more imo cuz the fans are on this dudes nuts so hard.
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real spit. Ocho Cinco obviosuly didnt watch the fight and is another sheep on the Forrest bandwagon. UFC just wanted him to be champ more imo cuz the fans are on this dudes nuts so hard.
I don't think this is true at all. Possibly if this was Griffin-Machida, but Rampage has a huge fan base himself with an entertaining style. I don't see this whole 'fix' bs surrounding the decision.
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Damnit, i just made a topic about this... I apologise in advance.
I thought the decision was balls, i think Rampage should have gotten the decision. You've got to beat a champion to be one, Forrest was busted up a little and i suppose Rampages leg was too but come on. I thought Rampage was gonna rawk the shit out of Forrest though so, great fight!
Bring on Silva on the 19th!
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I never saw why Forrest got a title shot before Rashad Evans anyway. If my memory serves me correct Forrest lost to Keith Jardine while Rashad beat him. Rashad is also still undefeated, it has to count for something right... And I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, I just see it as that he's fought everyone that they put in front of him and still hasn't lost which should put him near the top if not there
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I never saw why Forrest got a title shot before Rashad Evans anyway. If my memory serves me correct Forrest lost to Keith Jardine while Rashad beat him. Rashad is also still undefeated, it has to count for something right... And I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, I just see it as that he's fought everyone that they put in front of him and still hasn't lost which should put him near the top if not there
I was wondering the same thing.
And about it being fixed, i didnt mean to say it was fixed, i just think something doesnt add up about this decision and Lol@unanimnous
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You could have a valid point about Rashad, but I am sure Joe Silva would of took into account that Griffin finished Shogun Rua, while Rashad won a lacklustre decision against Bisping in their last fights. Rashad is hardly the most exciting fight either to push for a title shot. Machida should be infront of Rashad, aswell as Chuck for the next shot at the title IMO if Rampage doesn't get an instant rematch.
I don't think anyone is interested in fighting Machida right now ;D
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the winner of Chuck and Rashad is next if not rampage
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fuck what ya heard chuck still THAT dude
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the winner of Chuck and Rashad is next if not rampage
I really don't like this decision, I think Machida should be infront of these. A potential Chuck-Griffin ME on NYE does nothing for me.
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I never saw why Forrest got a title shot before Rashad Evans anyway. If my memory serves me correct Forrest lost to Keith Jardine while Rashad beat him. Rashad is also still undefeated, it has to count for something right... And I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, I just see it as that he's fought everyone that they put in front of him and still hasn't lost which should put him near the top if not there
Forrest its the TUF season 1 fighter...im thinkin they dont want to give a title shot to someone from a season after before forrest...which i dont understand either.
However...Rashad and Liddel go at in september..should be dope
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I never saw why Forrest got a title shot before Rashad Evans anyway. If my memory serves me correct Forrest lost to Keith Jardine while Rashad beat him. Rashad is also still undefeated, it has to count for something right... And I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, I just see it as that he's fought everyone that they put in front of him and still hasn't lost which should put him near the top if not there
Forrest its the TUF season 1 fighter...im thinkin they dont want to give a title shot to someone from a season after before forrest...which i dont understand either.
However...Rashad and Liddel go at in september..should be dope
Even if Forrest was on the show before Rashad, you still can't discount the fact that Rashad beat somebody that Forrest lost to. Forrest has won some and lost some but Rashad has not lost a match. Forrest even lost to Ortiz who Rashad fought to a draw and while its not a win, it isn't a loss either. Its pretty obvious the fight between Rashad and Liddell is for a title shot. I totally do not agree with Forrest being champ though, he's not even the best in the division. I'm absolutely sure Wanderlei would serve him somethin nasty and I think Jardine would beat him too