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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Prof@ssor on July 07, 2008, 01:48:49 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a great Dr. Dre fan myself and no disrespect to Dre...but when i see Focus playing guitar AND piano in that DJ SKEE video, I seriously think it would be fair to say that in reality Dre (probably) only did the mixing of the song.
I think it's exaggerated when we say a song is PRODUCED by Dr. Dre... i mean lately he basically does only the mixing...so its only because the name DR. DRE sells. I wanted to know your guys opinion about this.
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yeah... and Ain't No Fun was not produced by Dr. Dre either :laugh:
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
what then?what did dre do if not a beat?what else?and people that did tha beat get no credit or what?thats weird!
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
Who made the beat then LOL?
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
what then?what did dre do if not a beat?what else?
Dre wouldn't play the instruments. He would have an idea of a sound he wanted and would ask someone to play it for him or one of his "helpers" would have a sound and Dre would build a beat around that sound ie. Scott Storch's piano loop on "Still DRE". Dre usually always does the drums though. If it comes to piano loops or guitar licks someone else usually would come up with it but Dre would CREATE a beat out of that sound and then add different things around it.
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so a producer has just ideas and decides everything for the artist?
what if im NOT a producer but an artist and i want a special beat with some sample that ive heard and thought it would be dope?could a producer say "no, i want you to rap on THIS beat,what ive sampled"?what does the artist decide if everything decide producers and exec. producers?cant have an artist have own ideas and make it happen?does the artist get the producer-credit? ???
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Lamont Says: "Produced By Buff Cuz", I Didnt Know Who Buff Cuz Is, But Then Someone Told Me Thatīs Dre.
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Lamont Says: "Produced By Buff Cuz", I Didnt Know Who Buff Cuz Is, But Then Someone Told Me Thatīs Dre.
coz he's buff now (no homo)
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
what then?what did dre do if not a beat?what else?
Dre wouldn't play the instruments. He would have an idea of a sound he wanted and would ask someone to play it for him or one of his "helpers" would have a sound and Dre would build a beat around that sound ie. Scott Storch's piano loop on "Still DRE". Dre usually always does the drums though. If it comes to piano loops or guitar licks someone else usually would come up with it but Dre would CREATE a beat out of that sound and then add different things around it.
i know what you're saying...but for me people like Focus just dont get enough credits...have you ever see this man work? He does the sample, drums, keys, guitar AND everything else himself!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer
That should give you an idea of what a producer is.
I think the reason for this confusion is generally due to hip hop being sample based.
Has George Clinton never produced a Parliament/Funkadelic album because he doesn't play lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, saxophone, trombone, trumpet or percussion?
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Goddamn it seems like this conversation HAS to come every few months... It's always the same thing!
Snoop Dogg: I always tell niggas, I coulda went on some Snoop Dogg shit and just said "Ay Dre, do my next record." and just lock down and be like "Fuck all yall I got the hottest shit on the West, and I'm the reason bla bla bla". But I'm not selfish. I coulda smashed everythang and did that. Cause he's at my disposal. But I'd rather fuck with other producers, other artists, and just give niggas an opportunity that I feel deserve it. Cause I fuck with Dre, it's not gonna be Terrace Martin, it's gonna be Battlecat, it's not gonna be Soopafly. All these niggas is gone! It's gonna be Dr. Dre produced by. Even if ya'll produced it! You feel what I'm saying?
Dubcnn: It's crazy you say that though. A lot of people been saying that for a long time.
Nah, but when I say that, it's not disrespect, because them niggas will bring a track that sounds cool, but when he's finished with it, that muthafucka is immaculate. Like for example if you were to hear the Stevie Wonder song that Busta Rhymes brought to Dre before Dre touched it, you would think it's two different songs.
Dubcnn: But he still should get some production credit though.
But, at the same time, Dre didn't take that from Sha Money. And when he was doing that for niggas back in the days, they didn't deserve to have their name in the game like that, because he did all of the work! So what you found a sample and you got a cool little drum file, but he brought the shit to life, so he really produced the track! Producing is bringing the track to life! Beatmakers make beats. A lot of niggas make beats. He produces tracks. So that ain't disrespect what I'm saying. I'm just telling you what's real.
I seen him make tracks from scratch. My whole record the nigga made damn near everything from scratch. "Ain't No Fun", Daz and Warren G brought him the little *sings melody*, that's all they had! Dre took that muthafucka to the next level! Warren G brought in the Donny Hathaway, "Little Ghetto Boy, laying in the ghetto streets." Dre flipped it like "Hold on, gimme that!" Took that muthafucka and made it straight hit!
Dubcnn: So you're saying it's wrong that Daz or Warren G would claim that they didn't get the credit they deserved on The Chronic or Doggystyle?
I'ma say it like this: they didn't deserve the credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats, Dre produced that record. Point blank, and I'd say it in they face. They made beats, cuzz produced the record. If you a real nigga in the rap game, you'll understand what I'm saying. I can make a beat, but I can't produce! I can make a beat, but can I tell a nigga what to rap about, can I tell him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is.
Dubcnn: Right, but if I brought in the beat, I would still want my name somewhere.
But, if you brought in the beat, that's all you did, was brought in the beat. You didn't produce this record. This song says "Produced by" not "brought in the beat by". Keep it real! So that's what niggas got wrong, and they started pointing fingers and try to bad mouth him, when in actuality Dre doesn't need ya'll, ya'll needed him! Because this shit ya'll learned from him, that made ya'll better producers. He didn't learn shit from ya'll! See that's what niggas don't understand! Before The Chronic, how many hit records did Dre have before that? Everything he made was a hit record right?
Dubcnn: Right.
How many hits did Warren G make, how many hits did Daz make? None. None. Okay now, look at the tracks that they produced on The Chronic. Did they have any records like that by theyselves? No. You answer the question for me!
Dubcnn: Maybe on Dogg Food?
Come on man! Dogg Food was produced by Soopafly, Daz and Dr. Dre!
Dubcnn: Dre mixed it right?
No, Dre produced a lot of that shit! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce! If ya'll had really did what ya'll say ya'll did, ya'll woulda put records out that sold 3-4 million on your own, like he did. I still have to see it!
All the records that they put out solo wise, GARBAGE. Warren G's last record, HOT TO DEATH. The records in between, I don't know. And these are my homeboys, I don't lie to you, I tell it like it is!
Dubcnn: You don't like the Retaliation, Revenge & Get Back?
He was dissing me!
Dubcnn: I know, but it was still a good record!
I don't give a fuck! I don't like records with niggas dissing me! What I look like man? I didn't smash him though. I had a record I did with Mack 10 that woulda shut is whole career down. I told him and I let him hear the record, I told him "Nigga, I'm gonna let you get away with this cause you're my little cousin, and you rolling with Suge. I'ma let you get away with it." But in actuality I shoulda smashed his ass and kicked him out of the game, but that ain't the type of nigga I am! I love Daz and I know he was brainwashed! That would've been Suge's goal, to make two niggas lose for the price of one. So that's why I say I never really listen to that record cause I know the nigga was dissing. But it didn't sell no units!
Dubcnn: It went gold..
It didn't go gold. They bought 300,000 copies of that record. See you didn't know that though.
Dubcnn: Nah I didn't know that. That's some crazy shit.
I keep my ears to the streets man. I'm glad you're hollering at me though, my nigga! Cause I feel like ya'll niggas is like the connect to what we do. I'm thankful for ya'll, because if it wasn't for ya'll it wouldn't be nobody really representing this West shit and giving both perspectives. A lot of internet companies just want to promote violence and keep niggas at it.
But ya'll giving up both sides, like "Yeah I will fuck a nigga up, but I'm not trying to fuck a nigga up." As opposed to just printing "Yeah Snoop said he gone fuck all of ya'll up!" Like even the Spider Loc shit, the way I said it, it sounds like it's confrontational but it's not! It's just like nigga you need to wake up and get on some cool shit, instead of trying to disrespect the game. The game gotta be on some positive shit! I don't like Suge, he doesn't like me, but when I see him in the club, I don't fuck with him, he don't fuck with me! We just go our separate ways, it should be like that man. It shouldn't be "I'ma make a record about you" cause now my homeboys is looking at you like "We gotta do something to you." And the homies ain't got careers. The homies ain't got a B.E.T. interview to do tomorrow. So they ain't got nothing to lose. So why put them in a position where they gonna risk losing everything? Where you gone risk losing everything.
Before you even get in the game! Nobody even knows you Spider, all we hearing about you is negative shit! Get a hit record out there! I heard him on the video game, the Madden song, that's a cool little song, that "Don't Make Me Angry", I heard him on the NBA live shit, do that kind of shit my nigga! Do shit where niggas can respect you! Cause on some gangsta shit, we all gangsta out here! That don't have nothing to do with what we're trying to put down right now. We on peace right now. Peace always smashes war. Always.
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^ i was about to post exact the same part as nima did.
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^ i was about to post exact the same part as nima did.
so you're progressing :D
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Goddamn it seems like this conversation HAS to come every few months... It's always the same thing!
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^ i was about to post exact the same part as nima did.
so you're progressing :D
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Dre didn't play all his own instruments and their whole world crumbles right before their eyes. This happens once a month at dubcc. ;D
Puff Daddy is a producer too and he never even touched a drum machine during the making of his biggest records.
Im sure Focus will get plenty of credits in the fine print of the album. :P
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dre is a producer not a beatmaker in general,so a producer gives you advices how to make this and that,a beatmaker is someone who plays instruments...
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.I wonder if the same would be said of Movie Producers??
The musicians that played the instruments will get credited in print as well financially!!
So i don't see what the whole issue!!
Are these musicians e.g Focus complaining??
When they work with Dre, the track will have Dre's name and signature on it, as well thei creative input as well..
C'mon it's not rocket science.
As far as i know Dre earns 5% on the beats that he produces, so where does the rest go???
Go figure folks! and Leave Dre to continue working on Music and giving musicians an avenue to get their sounds/melodies heard!!!
"A star Is Born' :D :D :D
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first time poster, avid reader.
but snoop himself is saying that dre didnt make alot of the beats on The Chronic Etc.
snoop is saying that dre didnt take credit, because he DID "produced" it. he just didnt make the beat etc.
well then fuck it, i dont want to know who "produced it" i want to know who made the fucking beat.
i feel that that it is more important to me as a listener.
i feel that who made the beat comes first.
snoop says that a producer isnt a beat maker.
well i bet you dj premier is a beat maker,
snoop is complaining about daz and warren etc claiming that they ddint get any credit for their making of "beats" on the chronic etc.
thats bullshit no doubt
so i dont see the argument really
Dre is a producer and thats what gets credit, but in most cases (E.G every other "producer") they are also "beat makers"
so i think maybe where dre "produce" something, the credit should also say BEAT made by .......
and coreographed, mixed, watched, by dr.dre.
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Like Snoop says in an interview .. "produced by" .... dont mean "beat by"
( interviewer asked him about aint no fun beat )
what then?what did dre do if not a beat?what else?and people that did tha beat get no credit or what?thats weird!
he mixes the vocals / beats ... thats the effect why so much dre sounds bang your ears... of course he makes beats too .. or give advises for them
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first time poster, avid reader.
look i dont believe that dre takes credit for other people, but snoop himself is saying that he does
all this shit snoop is saying dre didnt take credit because he "produced" it. although he didnt make the beat etc.
well then fuck it, i dont want to know who "produced it" i want to know who made the fuckign beat.
i feel that that is more important to me as a listener.
i feel that who made the beat comes first.
snoop says that a producer isnt a beat maker.
thats fucking bull shit, i bet you dj premier is a fucking beat maker,
and there is also a problem with snoop complaining about daz/ warren etc claiming that they ddint get any credit for their making of "beats" on the chronic etc.
thats bullshit no doubt
Hmm....i'm kinda lost as to what you are trying to say there... ??? ???
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Hmm....i'm kinda lost as to what you are trying to say there... ??? ???
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sorry, its been revised
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Many people have said that someone left a beat to dre and he completely changed it...so more credit to the beat maker? ???
Besides Dre is actually in the studio working with the artists flow, mixing etc...when beat maker just sends some beats through internet or something, if that ain't producing, nothing is.
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
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first time poster, avid reader.
look i dont believe that dre takes credit for other people, but snoop himself is saying that he does
all this shit snoop is saying dre didnt take credit because he "produced" it. although he didnt make the beat etc.
well then fuck it, i dont want to know who "produced it" i want to know who made the fuckign beat.
i feel that that is more important to me as a listener.
i feel that who made the beat comes first.
snoop says that a producer isnt a beat maker.
thats fucking bull shit, i bet you dj premier is a fucking beat maker,
and there is also a problem with snoop complaining about daz/ warren etc claiming that they ddint get any credit for their making of "beats" on the chronic etc.
thats bullshit no doubt
Hmm....i'm kinda lost as to what you are trying to say there... ??? ???
sorry, its been revised
Props fr the clear up!
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Alright..well in most recent booklets, those involved in the creation/mixing of the beat are listed.
So they do get credited as well!, depending on their role, i.e keyboard/guitar..
That info will kinda give it away that these guys probably worked on the beat/played instruments, while Dre was Producing what Sounds/melodies he wanted d them to work with. That in is self is Producing!
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^^ thanks
yea i didnt think of how they credit each individual as of late.
buti guess what im trying to say is, i know dre is great, and MOST of the things he produces are untouchable.
but i can understand why warren and daz are upset that they are uncredited, and i cant see what the hell snoop is going on about.
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in that case the beat sucks :(
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^^ thanks
yea i didnt think of how they credit each individual as of late.
buti guess what im trying to say is, i know dre is great, and MOST of the things he produces are untouchable.
but i can understand why warren and daz are upset that they are uncredited, and i cant see what the hell snoop is going on about.
^^well..Snoop in that interview was only being truthful!
Yes they made the beat, but with Dre's Producing guide,their work + Snoop's eagerness to perform at his best, resulted in a great Album!!
Yes they should have gotten some form of credit,they didn't at that time. Things like this will occur..
They got their chance to shine, Warren G dropped 3 dope albums, Daz's work on Dogg Food is renowned to be his best work!
That's just my two cents!
It's alright to cry adn moan about it..But What is important, is what you do after!
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thanks for the info Nima
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Damn for the majority on this forum that think Dre fell off, he sure gets alot of replies about his music. Thanks for posting that Snoop part for the 1179157490157194 time Nima. ;D
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HaHaHa, Fuq This !
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this confusion is also a result of changing tasks for producers, engineers and the "beatmaker" is kinda new in this whole process... the game changed a lot, when snoop was talking about warren and daz contributing samples and baselines... this cant be considered as beat-making from a today's point of view
"beat-making" nowadays is also arranging and MIXING! (you suck if you dont care about this aspects...)
so if youre good in beat-making you should at least be co-producing a record.. i mean, you DID co-produce it actually
and you should always keep in mind, that it depends on who actually produces this record... if dre's skills are in big contrast to your skills, of course he will be the reason why your track might become a hit record...
with other producers its not like that....
it all depends..
you also have the same "thing" with mastering... if you have a good mastering engineer he make the difference between gold an platinum album...
to the public doesnt always know that those guys do magic too.. what if Big Bass Brian didnt master the chronic 2001, safe and sound, eminem show.. etc....???
bottom line is you need to work with ppl thats fair and they give you credit for what you did
and i believe ppl like warren and daz, didnt really understand what they did and what dre did, thats why they thought he was stealing credits, but the sha money beat proves hes not like that...
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Well Snoop says Dre made a lot of beats from scratch so it's not like he can't make a beat without someone's help.
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
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lol i think dre produced it :P
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lol i think dre produced it :P
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
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it should just say beat made by
i dont care who produced what, i want to know who made the actual beat
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The problem is when it comes to music from the Aftermath department it's more of a group environment lead by Doc Dre. It's not the result of any one single artists. Yeah, one artist might contribute significantly more but what if he made the beat but another cat added the flavor, the "it" to the beat.
I figure if it comes out of the Aftermath department it should just say created by aftermath department. Then one can read the credits to see who did what.
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snoop talkin that warren and daz shit is garbage in between, stfu snoop cause after your first record all yo shit minus 2 or 3 songs a record have been garbage
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yall been living in a cave? thats old news, most big producers aint doing shit themselves
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yall been living in a cave? thats old news, most big producers aint doing shit themselves
why are they big then?dats fucked up.wheres justice? >:(
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so people think dre didnt produce the song because they show random footage of focus playing guitar in a studio? the footage of focus was filmed at the time of the interview, after the record was already finished..
man youre all stupid
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
yep Dre is basically the mastermind
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
yep Dre is basically the mastermind
IMHO his co-producers give Dre the ingredients, and he cooks the meal and adds some of his own seasoning.
This talk of food making me hungry
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where iz daz now or G. camon they say mal man do all work on 2001 where is mal man whe in left dre? be serius
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
yep Dre is basically the mastermind
IMHO his co-producers give Dre the ingredients, and he cooks the meal and adds some of his own seasoning.
This talk of food making me hungry
well there are more cooks in the kitchen, but he's the lead cook i guess :laugh:
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
yep Dre is basically the mastermind
IMHO his co-producers give Dre the ingredients, and he cooks the meal and adds some of his own seasoning.
Another nice flip - best one so far
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well there are more cooks in the kitchen, but he's the lead cook i guess :laugh:
We all know what the food taste like without
Chef de cuisine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef_de_cuisine) donīt we?
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/517336852_6573735034.jpg?v=0)
i do :laugh: ;)
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Dr Dre can pick any random beat maker or musician and make their shit into hot records
The key ingredient is always Dr Dre - Dre is like the steak and Focus, Daz, Warren G, etc are all seasoning... you can have any of them with Dre and it'll still be a dope meal, but if you take away the Dre, you're eating just seasoning with no steak
I would say Dre is more the seasoning....he adds all the flavor (sound & direction) to what would otherwise be a bland (tired) piece of meat (music) sitting on a plate (record)....
Word, I like it, flipping the script on cats
yep Dre is basically the mastermind
IMHO his co-producers give Dre the ingredients, and he cooks the meal and adds some of his own seasoning.
Another nice flip - best one so far
you can look at your cooking opinion in many point of views.
Produce means to make something from scratch. But if dre got beats from someone else he dont produce shit. He modify's/edits it (vocals and effects).
In that case both dre and the "beat maker" should get credit.
I dont dought dre's producing skills cause i know hes made shit from scratch and hes one of the best, but when were talking about someone elses shit that dre made hot he definitely didnt produce it.
Also i want to point out that people that use samples are incorrectly labeled as producers because they just take something ready and modify it.
+++dre does great stuff but he had a lot of people on his back (storch etc)
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I disagree, I don't know how many times I can take my friends beats and make them a zillion times better by adding little things.. But the basic foundation starts with his beats.. And they are usually something I can't come up with myself.. So I would give the producer credit to the one laying the bare bones. Dre is more like an Engineer or mixer if u will...
Alot of you get "record producer" and "hip-hop producer" mixed up, well rather think they are the same thing... A hip-hop producer is an entirely different definition than that of a record or music producer, in the broadest spectrum.. (IF U WANNA GET TECHNICAL)
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you can look at your cooking opinion in many point of views.
Produce means to make something from scratch. But if dre got beats from someone else he dont produce shit. He modify's/edits it (vocals and effects).
In that case both dre and the "beat maker" should get credit.
I dont dought dre's producing skills cause i know hes made shit from scratch and hes one of the best, but when were talking about someone elses shit that dre made hot he definitely didnt produce it.
Also i want to point out that people that use samples are incorrectly labeled as producers because they just take something ready and modify it.
+++dre does great stuff but he had a lot of people on his back (storch etc)
yeah i heard Dre will be releasing a book next year called jackin' for beats, in which he explains it all
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Also i want to point out that people that use samples are incorrectly labeled as producers because they just take something ready and modify it.
It can take alot of musical creation to flip a "sample", and especially to make it sound dope.. You're taking bits of recorded sound and "producing" them into an entirely different arrangement.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a great Dr. Dre fan myself and no disrespect to Dre...but when i see Focus playing guitar AND piano in that DJ SKEE video, I seriously think it would be fair to say that in reality Dre (probably) only did the mixing of the song.
can you give me the link of that video ?