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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on May 01, 2002, 05:32:02 PM
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The year Y2G2 ain't been good to Jiggaman. At the end of last year, he losted his battle with comeback kid Nas, but had what might be the biggest club banging album coming out, Best of Both Worlds. But before the release, album partner R. Kelly was accused of stachatory rape, and sales of the album came in at very low numbers. But Roc-A-Fella signed vet rapper Cam'ron to the Roc, and it's expected that his album is coming in full force. But still, Nas is slowing becoming the "King of New York" as One Mic, Got Yourself A Gun and Jay-Z diss Ether gets radio time. Can Jigga comeback to regain his throne, or has Jigga fallen and exposed as the rapper he is, above average at best but with great beats. Y2G2 ain't over with yet, but Jay-Z has been hit hard. This should be a time of which Jay-Z is celebrating and cashing in great checks after having a classic album Blueprint sell well, and should be getting singles on the air to keep his fans happy well he makes his 7th album due out this fall. Is he laying in the cut, waiting for the right time, where is Jay-Z on the media screen, and what's he got plained. Rap is slowly getting more hip-hop acts out again, as commercial rappers numbers are getting smaller, and fans seem to tire of the same songs. So can Jigga comeback in a Jiggyless world, what's your thoughts. WHERE'S JIGGA.
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who cares? lol
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Hopefully He can go back to makin music like he did on his 1st album. That would be dope.
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does he have any albums/tracks lined up? the only thing i know of coming from Jigga is the 'Dream Team' album with the Roc fam. and the Em/Jigga track on Em's 8Mile movie soundtrack
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Blueprint 2 or "The Gift and the curse" will be out by the end of the year.
And he will put effort into this, cause he even canceled a tour to work on it.
Should be dope.
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Jigga is far from dead... he is a platinum artist non-dependent on the quality of his albums (Vol.2 went 6x plat) and was his weakest album, so that just shows his popularity... no Nas diss can stop him, he's still gonna be the King Of New York... one
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Jigga is far from dead... he is a platinum artist non-dependent on the quality of his albums (Vol.2 went 6x plat) and was his weakest album, so that just shows his popularity... no Nas diss can stop him, he's still gonna be the King Of New York... one
jay-z is not tha king of NY anymore, an dont say i dont know what im talkin bout b/c i am from NY
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who cares? lol
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jay-z is not tha king of NY anymore, an dont say i dont know what im talkin bout b/c i am from NY
You can't tell me who's the king of NY... if I feel Jay-Z is the king of N.Y., I'ma write it here... and stop hating
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"above average at best but with great beats"
Thats basically how I would describe him, "The Blueprint" had some of the best beats I heard last year, no one album came as consistent beat wise last yr as "The Blueprint" did imo. But as far as his rhymes go they were just average, he did try to get away from that 'bling, bling' attitude compared to some of the shit he's put out in the past but it still wasn't very innovative or original content wise imo.
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jay-z is clearly the king of ny and the king of RAP.
blueprint 2 will be another classic from the most consistant rapper ever.
good morning america!
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jay-z is clearly the king of ny and the king of RAP.
blueprint 2 will be another classic from the most consistant rapper ever.
C'mon, we all know Nas has claimed that title since Stillmatic dropped ;)
& 'Pac is the most consistent rapper ever ;)
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pac is an average rapper who blew up with his controvercial image. he has never dropped an album over 4 mics.
x-z is the most consistant rapper on the west coast.
stillmatic is a 4 mic boring album.
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pac is an average rapper who blew up with his controvercial image. he has never dropped an album over 4 mics.
x-z is the most consistant rapper on the west coast.
stillmatic is a 4 mic boring album.
Hahaha, this is rich coming from Faboulous' fan boy.
'Pac dropped 3 classics in a row, thats right, "Me Against The World", "All Eyez On Me" & "Makaveli: 7 Day Theory". & all the others that came before & after have been nr classics. Not many others can claim that.
& if "Stillmatic" was a 'boring 4 mic album' then Fabolous' debut was a - 5.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=0#9 date=05/02/02 at 07:46:13]"above average at best but with great beats"
Thats basically how I would describe him, "The Blueprint" had some of the best beats I heard last year, no one album came as consistent beat wise last yr as "The Blueprint" did imo. But as far as his rhymes go they were just average, he did try to get away from that 'bling, bling' attitude compared to some of the shit he's put out in the past but it still wasn't very innovative or original content wise imo.
I think "The Blueprint" was a near classic album... IMO it didn't deserve 5 mics, but you gotta admit it was an excellent album... just look at the reviews it got.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=0#13 date=05/02/02 at 08:12:21]
'Pac dropped 3 classics in a row, thats right, "Me Against The World", "All Eyez On Me" & "Makaveli: 7 Day Theory". & all the others that came before & after have been nr classics. Not many others can claim that.
have you been in a coma recently?
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I think "The Blueprint" was a near classic album... IMO it didn't deserve 5 mics, but you gotta admit it was an excellent album... just look at the reviews it got.
I enjoyed it, i'm gonna be honest, i'm not gonna hate just because it has Jay-Z's name over it, but to me the beats were the most impressive aspects of that whole record. It was a decent performance from him otherwise, better than what he's come out with since "Reasonable Doubt" anyways, imo.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=0#13 date=05/02/02 at 08:12:21]
Hahaha, this is rich coming from Faboulous' fan boy.
'Pac dropped 3 classics in a row, thats right, "Me Against The World", "All Eyez On Me" & "Makaveli: 7 Day Theory". & all the others that came before & after have been nr classics. Not many others can claim that.
& if "Stillmatic" was a 'boring 4 mic album' then Fabolous' debut was a - 5.
Wait, "Stillmatic" didn't deserve 5 mics either... the "Ether" diss track was nothing special, I can't see why people praise that song... I admit it was a dope album overall, but it isn't a classic... it isn't comparable to "Illmatic", "Reasonable Doubt", "Enter The Wu Tang: 36 Chambers" and so on... please believe it.
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Wait, "Stillmatic" didn't deserve 5 mics either... the "Ether" diss track was nothing special, I can't see why people praise that song... I admit it was a dope album overall, but it isn't a classic... it isn't comparable to "Illmatic", "Reasonable Doubt", "Enter The Wu Tang: 36 Chambers" and so on... please believe it.
I think "Stillmatic" was worth 5 mics, I think it's a potential classic, little early to determine whether or not these albums are actually classic material, but to be honest "Reasonable Doubt" cannot compare to "Illmatic" either, c'mon now, "Illmatic" is about as close to hip-hop perfection as it gets, imo. "Reasonable Doubt" is Jigga's best work, but i'd say the nearest it comes to Nas' level is "It Was Written" (which I think is almost classic & highly underrated), imo. I'm not about to compare "36 Chambers" to "Illmatic" or "Reasonable Doubt" because it was a group effort.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=0#18 date=05/02/02 at 08:43:09]
I think "Stillmatic" was worth 5 mics, I think it's a potential classic, little early to determine whether or not these albums are actually classic material, but to be honest "Reasonable Doubt" cannot compare to "Illmatic" either, c'mon now, "Illmatic" is about as close to hip-hop perfection as it gets, imo. "Reasonable Doubt" is Jigga's best work, but i'd say the nearest it comes to Nas' level is "It Was Written" (which I think is almost classic & highly underrated), imo. I'm not about to compare "36 Chambers" to "Illmatic" or "Reasonable Doubt" because it was a group effort.
I agree with you or some of the things you're saying... but I guess we have a difference in opinion on the Jay-Z/Nas issue, that's just the way it is... it would be a boring world if everybody had got the same opinion on everything... peace
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You can't tell me who's the king of NY... if I feel Jay-Z is the king of N.Y., I'ma write it here... and stop hating
i aint tryin 2 beef so dont take it that way. But how am i hating. I speaking from first hand experience. Out of tha rap fans i know, no1 likes jigga. They cant stand b/c they say he is 2 commercial. My cousin who lives in queens still doesnt know any jigga fans, an majority of kids he knows say nas is tha king now. On hot97 tha people have spoken an said nas is tha winner. tha only people that like jay-z r teeny boppers an rich white kids. I aint hatin im speakin tha truth. U got your own opinion an i respect that, but dont say im hating when i neve said anything along tha lines of jigga sucks wit out backin it up
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i aint tryin 2 beef so dont take it that way. But how am i hating. I speaking from first hand experience. Out of tha rap fans i know, no1 likes jigga. They cant stand b/c they say he is 2 commercial. My cousin who lives in queens still doesnt know any jigga fans, an majority of kids he knows say nas is tha king now. On hot97 tha people have spoken an said nas is tha winner. tha only people that like jay-z r teeny boppers an rich white kids. I aint hatin im speakin tha truth. U got your own opinion an i respect that, but dont say im hating when i neve said anything along tha lines of jigga sucks wit out backin it up
It don't matter what other people think.. he's still the king of N.Y. for me... plus he sold more records than Nas did, even when releasing the album on the unfortunate date September 11, when people sure had other things on their mind than copping a rap album... what does that tell you ?
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It don't matter what other people think.. he's still the king of N.Y. for me... plus he sold more records than Nas did, even when releasing the album on the unfortunate date September 11, when people sure had other things on their mind than copping a rap album... what does that tell you ?
They were delirious from the 9/11 attacks and didnt know what they were doing? yet, when they took it back, they couldnt get a refund! j/j
I dont really prefer either of them, but if I had to pick a favourite it would be Jay-Z, mainly for the all round style, but Nas seems to have that lyrical side of things down..
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It don't matter what other people think.. he's still the king of N.Y. for me... plus he sold more records than Nas did, even when releasing the album on the unfortunate date September 11, when people sure had other things on their mind than copping a rap album... what does that tell you ?
Jay Z was king of New York. But 'cause one person says his King, doesn't make him king. The people revoluted and kicked him out as king, and Nas with the power of his attack with Ether, was placed as king by the people of New York. They said Jay-Z out, Nas in, and after the revolution people were happy as Jay-Z's commercial sound is decreasing. Nas rediscovered his hip-hop sound, and the people put him up 'cause that's what they want, and a real hip-hop artist is what the nation needs on top of rap highest crown. (yeah, I love my westcoast, but king of N.Y. seems to hold more weight that the king of L.A., no offense Snoop)
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Jay Z was king of New York. But 'cause one person says his King, doesn't make him king. The people revoluted and kicked him out as king, and Nas with the power of his attack with Ether, was placed as king by the people of New York. They said Jay-Z out, Nas in, and after the revolution people were happy as Jay-Z's commercial sound is decreasing. Nas rediscovered his hip-hop sound, and the people put him up 'cause that's what they want, and a real hip-hop artist is what the nation needs on top of rap highest crown. (yeah, I love my westcoast, but king of N.Y. seems to hold more weight that the king of L.A., no offense Snoop)
I'm not saying he's king because I say so... I'm saying that I REGARD him as the King of New York... my opinion.
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It don't matter what other people think.. he's still the king of N.Y. for me... plus he sold more records than Nas did, even when releasing the album on the unfortunate date September 11, when people sure had other things on their mind than copping a rap album... what does that tell you ?
sales dont mean shit, nelly sells more than any other rapper. Does that make him tha king of rap, fuck no. And look at tha majority of those buyin jay-z. A lot of them r tha same ones buyin nelly albums. I honestly cant think of any real rap fans i know that like jigga, fuck what tha pop music says, its what tha real fans think.
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I dont believe Jay-Z will b able to comebak after that hit to tha head by Nas.....unless he is big on callabos (i.e hits like...fiesta)
This year he has to com w/ major heat to be bak on top of tha charts
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lol..what do you mean where"s Jigga?...-alive and breathen FOO...:)...Jigga ain"t gon nowhere ...i really really like when yall dramatise stuff....(*sarcazm*)
TOM...lol...if yo cusin don"t know any Jigga fans he prolly ain"t very talkative...:)...lol...r you kidden me?...
and even if it was true....who cares what people think ...get yo own opinion.....one of tha main things Jigga haters say is "heads dont like jigga"....sounds like insecure lil boppaz to me...
believe you me...REAl heads know what"z Jigga"s worth...there ain"t many peepz in tha game nowadays who can touch him lyriclly(and don"t throurh this bling bling BS)
cauze as I say TOPICS DON"T METTER AS Long as tha rapper knowes how to deliver his shit(lyrical structure,topical consistency)-not to say jigga rappz mo bling blings than any other rapper(not that it would metter)......you can"t dissmis rappers cause of shit they saying(their topics) and yall don"t like ....this is closed minded and samiliar to censourship....
so plz....cut tha anti-Jigga propoganda...if you don"t wanna buy hiz CDz than don"t by them...you don"t have to excuse yoself wit this LAAAAAAIM shit....just to ramain true fans in yo own eyes.
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sales dont mean shit, nelly sells more than any other rapper. Does that make him tha king of rap, fuck no. And look at tha majority of those buyin jay-z. A lot of them r tha same ones buyin nelly albums. I honestly cant think of any real rap fans i know that like jigga, fuck what tha pop music says, its what tha real fans think.
Are you telling me I ain't a real hip-hop head ?
If yes, then FUCK YOU... plus Jay-Z is gonna definitely claim his throne this year with that "Welcome To New York City" track with Killa Cam... that's right, the R.O.C. is takin over, BITCH
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This is how I consider Nas a REAL artist & the MC who deserves to be crowned as the King of N.Y:
"One Mic".
Jay-Z CANNOT compete with that song, nothing Jay has ever recorded is as powerful/deep/meaningful/lyrical etc as that one song. Forget all the diss songs for a moment because I think we all agree anyway that "Ether" ripped Jigga apart. "One Mic" is a VERY important song, not only for Nas but for the whole hip-hop culture which is falling apart in terms of quality compared to a few years ago, this song represents everything hip-hop should be about, this song basically embaresses all the 'bling bling' orientated rappers out there including Jay-Z. Nas could give Jay the kick up the ass he needs, the kick that will make him make more records like "Reasonable Doubt".
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=20#29 date=05/03/02 at 06:18:53]This is how I consider Nas a REAL artist & the MC who deserves to be crowned as the King of N.Y:
"One Mic".
Jay-Z CANNOT compete with that song, nothing Jay has ever recorded is as powerful/deep/meaningful/lyrical etc as that one song. Forget all the diss songs for a moment because I think we all agree anyway that "Ether" ripped Jigga apart. "One Mic" is a VERY important song, not only for Nas but for the whole hip-hop culture which is falling apart in terms of quality compared to a few years ago, this song represents everything hip-hop should be about, this song basically embaresses all the 'bling bling' orientated rappers out there including Jay-Z. Nas could give Jay the kick up the ass he needs, the kick that will make him make more records like "Reasonable Doubt".
Many Jay-Z songs are equally good, if not better... "Reasonable Doubt" shits all over "Stillmatic"... Jay-Z's lyrical skill is untouchable, just listen to that album.. I agree "One Mic" was a good song... but you can't say Nas is a better rapper... do you want me to quote some lines from "Oochie Wally" ? ;D
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=20#29 date=05/03/02 at 06:18:53]This is how I consider Nas a REAL artist & the MC who deserves to be crowned as the King of N.Y:
"One Mic".
Jay-Z CANNOT compete with that song, nothing Jay has ever recorded is as powerful/deep/meaningful/lyrical etc as that one song. Forget all the diss songs for a moment because I think we all agree anyway that "Ether" ripped Jigga apart. "One Mic" is a VERY important song, not only for Nas but for the whole hip-hop culture which is falling apart in terms of quality compared to a few years ago, this song represents everything hip-hop should be about, this song basically embaresses all the 'bling bling' orientated rappers out there including Jay-Z. Nas could give Jay the kick up the ass he needs, the kick that will make him make more records like "Reasonable Doubt".
it depends on what you want out of rap as a listener. if you wanna get all emotional and shyt sitting on ya sofa then go ahead listen to 1 mic all day.
i've heard some of jay-z's new unreleased tracks and all i can say is POW. the flow POW. the lyrics POW. the production POW. get the song 'goodmorning america' = POW.
it looks like jigga will definately be confirmed king when the blueprint 2 drops.
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do you want me to quote some lines from "Oochie Wally" ? ;D
worse still. quote some lines from 'the general remix'. nas drops arguably one of the worse verses ever. he gets outshined on his own song by fat joe and cassidy - thats blasphemy.
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it depends on what you want out of rap as a listener. if you wanna get all emotional and shyt sitting on ya sofa then go ahead listen to 1 mic all day.
If you wanna listen to monotone pop influenced rap all day then continue listening to fabolous ;)
The days of "Oochie Walley" & "Nastradamus" are over friends, Nas has learned his lesson, hence the purpose of "One Mic".
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The days of "Oochie Walley" & "Nastradamus" are over friends, Nas has learned his lesson, hence the purpose of "One Mic".
Nah, he tried to create deep/meaningful songs on "Nastradamus" too... it was wack though ;)
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and what may i ask was the purpose of 'the general remix'
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Nah, he tried to create deep/meaningful songs on "Nastradamus" too... it was wack though ;)
Naw, not on the scale of "One Mic". & to talk about WACK we must mention Jigga's "Vol. 2..." ;)
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=20#33 date=05/03/02 at 06:43:28]
If you wanna listen to monotone pop influenced rap all day then continue listening to fabolous
why do you hate on the fabolous aka 5 mic boy?
if anything u should be thankin THE 5 MIC BOY for his contributions to our society....take sum 151 rum to a party wit a bunch of chix runnin around speakers blaring 5 MIC BOYS newest jams...give one of em a few shotz they butt naked screamin "keeping it gangsta" no doubt ma "i will, i will"
holla back youngn
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Naw, not on the scale of "One Mic". & to talk about WACK we must mention Jigga's "Vol. 2..." ;)
"Vol. 2" was not a good album... I would call it average, it still had some dope songs on there, especially the Intro f/ Memphis Bleek... man just listen to that SICK Primo beat... he should have let Premier produce more tracks on that record, and gotten rid of Swizz Beatz... I still bump this album from time to time, peace
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"Vol. 2" was not a good album... I would call it average, it still had some dope songs on there, especially the Intro f/ Memphis Bleek... man just listen to that SICK Primo beat... he should have let Premier produce more tracks on that record, and gotten rid of Swizz Beatz... I still bump this album from time to time, peace
LOL, you've just proved one of my points, that he's an avergage MC with good production.
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why do you hate on the fabolous aka 5 mic boy?
holla back youngn
LOL, i'm not hating, I don't really have any problem with fabo, I don't think i've even heard half of the shit he's brought out but I know it gets to you when peeps diss him, lol ;)
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LOL, you've just proved one of my points, that he's an avergage MC with good production.
I have not proven anything at all... what I said in that post was that "Vol. 2" was an average album.
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I have not proven anything at all... what I said in that post was that "Vol. 2" was an average album.
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average album for an average MC.
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LOL, i'm not hating, I don't really have any problem with fabo, I don't think i've even heard half of the shit he's brought out but I know it gets to you when peeps diss him, lol ;)
on the real it dont get to me. i like going against the grain thats why i got this username.
in 5 years time when jiggas retired a mature fabolous will be king.
'right now you don't like me but
later on you gonna hate me
i just got to do me
fluck yall imma do me'
lol
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an average MC.
nope... if Jay-Z is an average MC, Nas is Vanilla Ice
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1020310322;start=40#42 date=05/03/02 at 07:12:53]
average album for an average MC.
that"s funny cauze if Jigga iz averrage...than tha hiphop iz in a very high place right now.
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that"s funny cauze if Jigga iz averrage...than tha hiphop iz in a very high place right now.
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ok...ima make it clearer...if this is tha averrage....than it"z a very high one.
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ok...ima make it clearer...if this is tha averrage....than it"z a very high one.
Ahhh, i c, sorry, you totally wasted that one on me ;D
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nas is way better then jigga. i never heard jigga debut album(i heard you cant knoc the hustle) and vol.1(i heard only the city is mine) and vol.4. i think vol.2 was is best cd ever i dont liked the blueprint and vol.3 jay-z brings some good songs like:big pimpin,h to the izzo,give it to me,the city is mine, but thats all.i dont like is voice and flow.
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nas is way better then jigga. i never heard jigga debut album(i heard you cant knoc the hustle) and vol.1(i heard only the city is mine) and vol.4. i think vol.2 was is best cd ever i dont liked the blueprint and vol.3 jay-z brings some good songs like:big pimpin,h to the izzo,give it to me,the city is mine, but thats all.i dont like is voice and flow.
Well if you have never heard "Reasonable Doubt" then I suggest you don't say anything at all... that album will change your view on Jay-Z, garantueed... just listen to it.
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yo SHLOMI....except fot tha fact i don"t agree wit watcha sayin on this metter. ;D..and i think KVB iz right,you should get RD-it"s a must have shit yo....
i see you"z from Israel MAN...:)..
MA kore ah sheli...?
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Even though I like Nas better than Jay Z. I still think Jay Z is one of the top rappers out there right now. There is only like -5 Rap Icons right now. Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt has some classic songs in there. And i think the only reason the beats on the Blueprint were good cuz all the songs are samples. But still he comes out with good rhymes. Both Jay Z and Nas are tight
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. Both Jay Z and Nas are tight
word^
since STILLMATIC droped....i can"t do anythang else but to agree wit this opinion....lol ;D
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i see you"z from Israel MAN...:)..
MA kore ah sheli...?
HAHAAHAA....anee lo choshev sheh hoo israeli
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Both Jay Z and Nas are tight
I feel that Jay-Z is a better storyteller than Nas... just listen to the lyrics on "Girls, Girls, Girls" & "Song Cry" for example... they're awesome, Nas can't touch Jay in this aspect IMO
One
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I feel that Jay-Z is a better storyteller than Nas... just listen to the lyrics on "Girls, Girls, Girls" & "Song Cry" for example... they're awesome, Nas can't touch Jay in this aspect IMO
One
what about Nas' What Comes around? Or One Love? Rewind? What u mean Nas cant touch Jay's storytellin abilities?
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what about Nas' What Comes around? Or One Love? Rewind? What u mean Nas cant touch Jay's storytellin abilities?
They are all great tracks...^^ it's just my opinion though, peace
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I feel that Jay-Z is a better storyteller than Nas... just listen to the lyrics on "Girls, Girls, Girls" & "Song Cry" for example... they're awesome, Nas can't touch Jay in this aspect IMO
One
Ooo, i'd have to disagree there, just check out "I Gave You Power" for proof :o
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Ooo, i'd have to disagree there, just check out "I Gave You Power" for proof :o
Check out "Cashmere Thoughts" for proof :o