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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: S P I C E on August 17, 2008, 04:19:07 PM
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13-3 with a 2.60 ERA and the most Strikeouts in the Majors while doing it on the Giants in his real full first year, yeah he is the best pitcher in the league. The Giants bullpen has blown 6 quality starts for him also, if he were on a team with a better than average lineup and decent bullpen he would be at least 20-2 or 20-1 right now, probably better, best pitcher in the league hands down
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Cliff Lee: 17-2 2.43 ERA 1.078 WHIP 179 ERA+
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K-Rod 8)
for starters I gotta say between Webb, Lee and Halladay but Lincecum is the best young pitcher
hopefully he doesnt get hurt he is fun to watch pitch
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13-3 with a 2.60 ERA and the most Strikeouts in the Majors while doing it on the Giants in his real full first year, yeah he is the best pitcher in the league. The Giants bullpen has blown 6 quality starts for him also, if he were on a team with a better than average lineup and decent bullpen he would be at least 20-2 or 20-1 right now, probably better, best pitcher in the league hands down
with our bullpen, he woulda been had those 20 wins already :D
enjoy him while you have him, when he hits FA, the big spending clubs will go after him HARD.
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I would wait another season or two before calling him the best pitcher in baseball. Lets not forget Doc Gooden's second season is one of the best in baseball history and we all know how that turned out. Though I dont think Tim will flame out like Doc.
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joba chamberlain, cole hamels, scott kazmir, chad billingsley
lots of young pitching talent to go around in baseball
Lincecum in 2008 indeed is the man, but Webb/Haren are still better and as is Peavy
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^^How do u figure? He leads the NL in ERA, and has 30 more strikeouts than the 2nd best in NL
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^^How do u figure? He leads the NL in ERA, and has 30 more strikeouts than the 2nd best in NL
strikeouts aren't everything. getting outs is the priority. Webb, Haren and Peavy are experienced proven commodities.
Lincecum is in his 2nd season. You know who else had a solid 2nd season? Doc Gooden.
Lincecum was a PHENOM in the minors so he certainly projects into a great future, but he is not the best pitcher in the entire game. or NL. or NL West.
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^^He has the best ERA in the NL so what you said doesnt make a whole lot of sense, he is the best pitcher in the NL and you can make the argument he is the best in all of Baseball, and again he is doing all of this while playing for the Giants
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enjoy him while you have him, when he hits FA, the big spending clubs will go after him HARD.
;D
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^^He has the best ERA in the NL so what you said doesnt make a whole lot of sense, he is the best pitcher in the NL and you can make the argument he is the best in all of Baseball, and again he is doing all of this while playing for the Giants
You missed his point you fucking moron. He is basically saying its premature to label him the best pitcher in baseball. Doc Gooden had one of the greatest seasons pitching ever in his 2nd year and never came close to repeating that. Let Lincecum do this for another season or two before calling him the best pitcher in baseball.
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^^Fits you fucking moron I'm not paying attention to this Doc Gooden comparison crap, I am talking about where Hack said getting outs is the priority and then I came back and said Lincy leads the NL in ERA so I think that qualifies as getting outs LOL at your petty insults, grow up man and just talk sports without your vagina getting in the way.
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^^Fits you fucking moron I'm not paying attention to this Doc Gooden comparison crap, I am talking about where Hack said getting outs is the priority and then I came back and said Lincy leads the NL in ERA so I think that qualifies as getting outs LOL at your petty insults, grow up man and just talk sports without your vagina getting in the way.
LMFAO that is the funniest thing I have ever read on this board... petty insults... looks whose talking. Weren't you supposed to leave this place.
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
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David Price will be the best pitcher in baseball in 5 years. ;D
as for this discussion, Tim is pitching the best. doesn't mean he is the best in all of baseball. Pujous came into the league and tore it up, nobody screamed "best in baseball". now as seasons went on and he continued to put on those numbers people realized he was. what if Lincecum gets injured (knock on wood)? i coulda debated Fransisco Lirano was the best in baseball when he was healthy, but once he got hurt he was taken out of discussion. give it a year or two, then you can make your statement.
im impressed with the numbers he has thus far, only downside to him is playing in the worst division in baseball. the majoirty of Giants schedule is vs. sub-par teams. id like to see him pitch vs. the Angels lineup a couple of times a season, then we might be having these talks...imo.
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
LOL @ what.... he had one of the most dominating seasons ever and besides him there have been plenty of other pitcher who had amazing second season and were never the same again. By the way Doc was a cokehead not a crackhead,there is a big difference. But majority of you guys here don't know the difference. So go fuck yourself
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
Dwight was the man in the mid 80s
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
Dwight was the man in the mid 80s
he had his years, but Lincy aint a cokehead BIG Difference
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
Dwight was the man in the mid 80s
he had his years, but Lincy aint a cokehead BIG Difference
how do u know??
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
Dwight was the man in the mid 80s
he had his years, but Lincy aint a cokehead BIG Difference
Actually what hurt Doc just as much was Mel stottlemyre trying to teach him a change up and change from being a power pitcher. And how do you know Lincy isn't a cokehead ? Is your boyfriend Spice sucking him off so he knows firsthand ?
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It's hard to look at one stat and determine who the best pitcher in baseball is. What I like to see is for someone to look at the strength of each lineup that pitcher has faced. That's really the only way to determine who the best is at the moment. You can easily make a case for Lee, Lincecum, Haren, Harden, and Webb.
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Is pitching the best right now, would be the best thing to say..And i think he is the best pitcher in the league as well, who else has a 97 mph 2 seam fastball, and who else does this in there FIRST FULL YEAR? End of next year, I GUARANTEE nobody will b able to argue this claim...LOL@ Doc Crackhead gooden
Dwight was the man in the mid 80s
he had his years, but Lincy aint a cokehead BIG Difference
Actually what hurt Doc just as much was Mel stottlemyre trying to teach him a change up and change from being a power pitcher. And how do you know Lincy isn't a cokehead ? Is your boyfriend Spice sucking him off so he knows firsthand ?
damn u always talkin bout spice dogg...sounds a lil suspect too me..
But i guess ur right, i dont know that Lincy isnt a cokehead, shit he might be doing steroids too ::)
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Best pitcher in the league!! Another win tonight!!!! 15-3!!!! BY FAR THE BEST ERA in the NL and BY FAR THE MOST K'S IN THE NL, 15-3 RECORD ON THE GIANTS!! A young Pedro Martinez right here, All Webb has is 4 more wins but also 2 more losses on a much better team this year, Lincy beats him in everything else and its not close, He DESERVES THE CY YOUNG!!! BEST PITCHER IN THE LEAGUE HANDS DOWN!! GO TIMMY AND GO GIANTS!!! WHAT A WIN TONIGHT!!
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right now there might be a question as to who will get the Cy Young...if webb ends with a record of 20+ wins, it wont be a question.
Brandon Webb: 188.2 IP / 157Ks / 2.96 ERA / 1.12 WHIP / 3 CG (1 Shutout) / 154 ERA+ / 3.41 K/BB/ .235 opponent AVG /19 W - 5 L
Tim Lincecum: 185.1 IP / 210Ks / 2.43 ERA / 1.18 WHIP / 0 CG / 173 ERA+* / 2.99 K/BB / .223 opponent AVG / 15 W - 3 L
* not updated to include todays game
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right now there MIGHT be a question as to who will get the Cy Young...if webb ends with a record of 20+ wins, it wont be a question.
Oh believe me I am aware that Webb will win it but by no means does that mean he deserves it more than Lincy because he doesn't. Lincecum has Webb beat easily in every stat but wins, and anyone that knows Baseball knows that there are several more important and reflecting stats than wins for a pitcher, Lincecum deserves it for sure this year, He is definitely better than Webb and he will dominate baseball for a long time but yeah you are right cause Webb will win the award, but Lincy clearly deserves it, he really is a young Pedro Martinez, I am 24 and has watched Baseball religiously since I was a little kid and along with Pedro in his prime Lincecum is the best pitcher I have ever seen, so scary that he is only 24, WOW
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idk if lincy has webb beat "easily" in every stat...theyre REALLY close in pretty much everything, except W/L and Ks. W/L doesn't determine how good a pitcher is, and webb is a ground ball pitcher, not a strikout pitcher.
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Dude he has him beat in every stat but wins, I dont expect you to give him credit cause he's a Giant and I know how Dodger fans are but there is no doubt he deserves the award
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Dude he has him beat in every stat but wins, I dont expect you to give him credit cause he's a Giant and I know how Dodger fans are but there is no doubt he deserves the award
i never said he didnt have him beat in a few stats...i just dont think lincy has him "easily" beat (like you said he does) in those stats. a couple of .12 points isnt that big of a difference, lets see their stats after webbs next game. i can guarantee you that webb will have more categories won than lost to lincy.
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Lincecum is top 5 no doubt, he has electric stuff, has gotten better over the year in locating his pitches and limiting his walks. Every game he pitches, he gives the Giants a chance to win, which is not easy to do. The one stat that he doesn't have in the NL is the complete games, but he would have more of those and wins if Bochy wasn't quick to hand him off to a bullpen that is very weak with the exception of Brian Wilson. Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Brandon Webb and Johan Santana are on a different level than the rest of the pitchers in the league right now.
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Lincecum is top 5 no doubt, he has electric stuff, has gotten better over the year in locating his pitches and limiting his walks. Every game he pitches, he gives the Giants a chance to win, which is not easy to do. The one stat that he doesn't have in the NL is the complete games, but he would have more of those and wins if Bochy wasn't quick to hand him off to a bullpen that is very weak with the exception of Brian Wilson. Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, Brandon Webb and Johan Santana are on a different level than the rest of the pitchers in the league right now.
exactly! Plus hes a K pitcher so he throws more pitches. He could def have a few CG games hes pitched 8 innings plenty of times and then got pulled...He is also 3rd in the NL in DP Percentage so not only does he get alot of K's he gets alot of Double plays..
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Webb
Haren
Lincy
i think that'll be the 1-2-3 unless Johan has an awesome sept
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
ever heard of a "track record"??
lincy's not even thru 1 full year in the bigs
he's not the next coming of christ, walter johnson or even mike mussina LOL
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
Nah I agree tho I wouldn't called Lincy the best pitcher in baseball after one full season. Though I think he is having the best season out of any starter in baseball this year. I am just saying the way your boy spice comes off.
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
Nah I agree tho I wouldn't called Lincy the best pitcher in baseball after one full season. Though I think he is having the best season out of any starter in baseball this year. I am just saying the way your boy spice comes off.
Exactlty wat i said before. That was he was pitching the best. He needs another year or two like or close to this to be the BEST. LOL@ whoever said He wasnt gonna be as good as Mussina. Barring Injury hes gonna be better! And thats not taking anything away from Mike, but Pitchers like Lincy dont come around very often, who else throws a 97 mph 2 seam fastball
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
Nah I agree tho I wouldn't called Lincy the best pitcher in baseball after one full season. Though I think he is having the best season out of any starter in baseball this year. I am just saying the way your boy spice comes off.
Exactlty wat i said before. That was he was pitching the best. He needs another year or two like or close to this to be the BEST. LOL@ whoever said He wasnt gonna be as good as Mussina. Barring Injury hes gonna be better! And thats not taking anything away from Mike, but Pitchers like Lincy dont come around very often, who else throws a 97 mph 2 seam fastball
speaking of that, because of his delivery, i see this kid having some arm trouble in the future.
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^^LMAO at Haren over Lincy, wtf ??? and Johan has been best in mlb over last 5 years but this year, Lincy>>>>>>Johan and its not close
jesus shut the fuck up already, you're worse then a broad on her period
Haren better then Lincy is obusrd. And Lincy is having a better year then Johan that cant be denied. Whats wrong with speaking the Truth?
Nah I agree tho I wouldn't called Lincy the best pitcher in baseball after one full season. Though I think he is having the best season out of any starter in baseball this year. I am just saying the way your boy spice comes off.
Exactlty wat i said before. That was he was pitching the best. He needs another year or two like or close to this to be the BEST. LOL@ whoever said He wasnt gonna be as good as Mussina. Barring Injury hes gonna be better! And thats not taking anything away from Mike, but Pitchers like Lincy dont come around very often, who else throws a 97 mph 2 seam fastball
speaking of that, because of his delivery, i see this kid having some arm trouble in the future.
Nah, Arm problems usually start at a young age...Hes had no history of arm problems...
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5 IP 5 ER
i say Webb wins it
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^haha give me a break. Lincy finally had a bad outing, it was bound to happen, Webb has had several outings like this lately, Tim is the best pitcher in NL period, he got roughed up but like I said it was bound to happen because he had been perfect lately, Webb has had many starts like this lately.
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can Lince reach 20?
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can Lince reach 20?
doesnt look like it now man. I admit tonight wasnt good and hurt his chances but I still think he has a shot. Even with this outing his ERA is still 2.60, much better than Webb's
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^haha give me a break. Lincy finally had a bad outing, it was bound to happen, Webb has had several outings like this lately, Tim is the best pitcher in NL period, he got roughed up but like I said it was bound to happen because he had been perfect lately, Webb has had many starts like this lately.
he has had 2 horrible games back to back...since when is 2 "many"?
before his last 2 starts, he won 6 in a row, gave up 8 runs, struck out 37, and walked 9 in 47 innings...
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^^He also has a few bad starts right before the All Star game, his ERA is 3.20, that is a bit high to win the Cy Young IMO
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^^He also has a few bad starts right before the All Star game, his ERA is 3.20, that is a bit high to win the Cy Young IMO
ever hearda Bartolo Colon??
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Not to mentioned he pitched in Colorado... :P
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^^He also has a few bad starts right before the All Star game, his ERA is 3.20, that is a bit high to win the Cy Young IMO
You may have a pont, in the American league there has been 7 cy young winners that have had higher ERA's then Webbs current ERA. But NL wise if Webb were to win this season it would be the highest ERA for a NL cy young winner.
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I personally go with Lincy for Cy Young. He has the better ERA but Webb has a slightly better WHIP. They have about the same number of innings pitched. Lincy 50+ more strike outs and is tied with Santana for quality starts. I don't think he should have to suffer b/c the rest of his team sucks. I still think Webb wins though b/c the Dbacks have a good shot to win the division and a lot of that has to do with how good Webb has pitched. And plus the Giants are pretty irrelevant this season. Unless CC continues to be lights out for the rest of the month and goes undefeated then I think he will win it. Plus a lot of these writers are still have a old school mentality and love the complete game.
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I personally go with Lincy for Cy Young. He has the better ERA but Webb has a slightly better WHIP. They have about the same number of innings pitched. Lincy 50+ more strike outs and is tied with Santana for quality starts. I don't think he should have to suffer b/c the rest of his team sucks. I still think Webb wins though b/c the Dbacks have a good shot to win the division and a lot of that has to do with how good Webb has pitched. And plus the Giants are pretty irrelevant this season. Unless CC continues to be lights out for the rest of the month and goes undefeated then I think he will win it. Plus a lot of these writers are still have a old school mentality and love the complete game.
thats real spit