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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: WestCoasta on September 18, 2008, 12:37:27 AM
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why isn't he on more material, especially Snoop?
if you asked me who was the best rapper on the West was right now I'd probably say him
he killed his last album, the Westurn Union mixtape, and the new WU album
I can't think of anybody really fuckin with him last few years
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lol @ Soopafly bein "the best rapper on the west coast"......not even close kid.....
personally I always liked his production a lot more than his rhyming abilities.....
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lol @ Soopafly bein "the best rapper on the west coast"......not even close kid.....
personally I always liked his production a lot more than his rhyming abilities.....
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what do you mean "lol" ?
as of right now he's better than - Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Game, any of that New West shit
Game can be nice though, don't get me wrong
the fact he's a dope producer makes him even 10x more underrated
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He's a good rapper and always makes great beats. It's a shame that he doesn't release material that much. "Dat Whoopty Whoop" is a West Coast classic, "Bangin West Coast" wasn't all that though.
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The best rapper on the west is crooked i,soupafly cant even be compared to ice cube.ice cube is in his own leauge.But i do think soupafly is a good artist and him being loyal to snoop is why he aint never got no where,kind of fucked up how snoop havent put him out and he was the most loyal one to snoop out of all the dpg.he always stayed down with snoop.Snoop should of pushed him and put him out like he didnt the eastsiders
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Best West Coast rappers right aint Soopafly or Crooked I
Soopafly is a dope mc, singer and producer, one of my favorite cat on the west and hes not on too many projects cuz he fucks only with Doggy Style and nobody cares about west coast scene right now
Crooked I was promised to be a KILLER, his features on C-Style compilations are straight classic but he fell the fuck off imo, Block Obama thats garbage music except for a couple songs
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roscoe's the best on the west!!
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why isn't he on more material, especially Snoop?
if you asked me who was the best rapper on the West was right now I'd probably say him
he killed his last album, the Westurn Union mixtape, and the new WU album
I can't think of anybody really fuckin with him last few years
Amen! You are 100% correct, Soopafly is the best on the west right now. I'm glad someone else finally sees what I see in this great man.
To answer your questions, he doesn't appear on more stuff because he doesn't want to dilute his catalog. Right now he's up to about 200 released songs/guest appearances in 15 years. That's pretty good. That's the mistake people like Crooked I and Game make. They release so many mixtapes and crap songs and stuff, why would anyone want to buy their album when there are 500+ songs of theirs on the internet people can get for free? They dilute their catalog so much you gotta weed through about 30 shitty songs before you find a good one. So you see a game or crooked I album and you think to yourself "hmm, there's 16 songs on this album, how many are going to be good? 1 or 2?". But with Fly, he probably has 3 bangers out of every 5 songs he's released, which is a great percentage there. And since it's tough to find alot of newer Soopafly joints on the net (since he doesn't release alot of stuff), when you see his album in the stores, everyone snatches it up right away because they want that Soopafly music. That Dubb Union album must be flying off the shelves, everytime i'm at Wal-mart, Target, or stores like that, I can't even find it on the shelves, or maybe one copy. They can't even keep that album stocked. You don't see Dr. Dre getting on 100 songs a year, the good rappers just don't do that. That's something the new west cats need to understand, less is more sometimes.
The reason Snoop doesn't feature him more is because he's jealous of him, plain and simple. Snoop used to have 2 or 3 Soopafly songs on every album. Then he released Rhythm and Gangsta and everyone told him that album sucked except for one song, "The Bidness" produced by Soopafly. Everyone loved that beat. Well that made Snoop really mad and jealous, so he didn't feature Soopafly at all on his next album except for that Westurn Union cut "Like This" in which Fly once again killed it even though he only had a third of one verse. And that got Snoop even more paranoid and jealous, so this time, he didn't feature Soopafly at all on Ego Trippin. And Snoop tried to weigh Fly down with these 2 rookies, Lucc and Damani, just to basically end Fly's career. Fly ain't no posse rapper, he's a solo act. Anyway, so Fly took these 2 young guys, schooled them and he released the album and it turned out being pretty good. Snoop even tried to put a skip in the record to further stop the momentum, but it didn't work. I can only imagine what Snoop is going to try to do now. I think he feels Soopafly's a few inches away from taking over his throne, which he is.
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Are u serious with that wack Soopafly pic in your sig?
Doesnt do the poor man much justice
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I took the best picture I had of Soopafly and made my Wii character off of that. I'd love to see someone attempt a better one. The program is pretty limited. That's the character I use for all my games....in the Wii world, I AM Soopafly.
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why isn't he on more material, especially Snoop?
if you asked me who was the best rapper on the West was right now I'd probably say him
he killed his last album, the Westurn Union mixtape, and the new WU album
I can't think of anybody really fuckin with him last few years
Amen! You are 100% correct, Soopafly is the best on the west right now. I'm glad someone else finally sees what I see in this great man.
To answer your questions, he doesn't appear on more stuff because he doesn't want to dilute his catalog. Right now he's up to about 200 released songs/guest appearances in 15 years. That's pretty good. That's the mistake people like Crooked I and Game make. They release so many mixtapes and crap songs and stuff, why would anyone want to buy their album when there are 500+ songs of theirs on the internet people can get for free? They dilute their catalog so much you gotta weed through about 30 shitty songs before you find a good one. So you see a game or crooked I album and you think to yourself "hmm, there's 16 songs on this album, how many are going to be good? 1 or 2?". But with Fly, he probably has 3 bangers out of every 5 songs he's released, which is a great percentage there. And since it's tough to find alot of newer Soopafly joints on the net (since he doesn't release alot of stuff), when you see his album in the stores, everyone snatches it up right away because they want that Soopafly music. That Dubb Union album must be flying off the shelves, everytime i'm at Wal-mart, Target, or stores like that, I can't even find it on the shelves, or maybe one copy. They can't even keep that album stocked. You don't see Dr. Dre getting on 100 songs a year, the good rappers just don't do that. That's something the new west cats need to understand, less is more sometimes.
The reason Snoop doesn't feature him more is because he's jealous of him, plain and simple. Snoop used to have 2 or 3 Soopafly songs on every album. Then he released Rhythm and Gangsta and everyone told him that album sucked except for one song, "The Bidness" produced by Soopafly. Everyone loved that beat. Well that made Snoop really mad and jealous, so he didn't feature Soopafly at all on his next album except for that Westurn Union cut "Like This" in which Fly once again killed it even though he only had a third of one verse. And that got Snoop even more paranoid and jealous, so this time, he didn't feature Soop :Pafly at all on Ego Trippin. And Snoop tried to weigh Fly down with these 2 rookies, Lucc and Damani, just to basically end Fly's career. Fly ain't no posse rapper, he's a solo act. Anyway, so Fly took these 2 young guys, schooled them and he released the album and it turned out being pretty good. Snoop even tried to put a skip in the record to further stop the momentum, but it didn't work. I can only imagine what Snoop is going to try to do now. I think he feels Soopafly's a few inches away from taking over his throne, which he is.
Well now that the Dubb Union album is out, it's now time for Soopafly!!
Let's see how he'll do it. If he fails, then he has nobody to blame, correction then his fans have nobody to blame but the man himself.. :P :P
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I took the best picture I had of Soopafly and made my Wii character off of that. I'd love to see someone attempt a better one. The program is pretty limited. That's the character I use for all my games....in the Wii world, I AM Soopafly.
I am in awe of your awesomeness.
props
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Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. Was this Dubb Union album just a one time thing? Are they all going their seperate ways now? I hope so, we need another solo album by Fly. With the kurupt album coming as well as another Dogg Pound album, Fly will probably be busy producing on those projects. I wouldn't expect anything more from him in the ways of an album until 2010. I have no idea if Lucc and Damani are signed to Doggystyle as solo artists, but they'll never get a solo album released on Doggystyle records.
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^^well only time will tel!
if this does not work, i think soopafly should do some production outside his camp, and see what happens then.
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Out of the not so much material I;ve heard from him, I've liked and disliked an equal ammount of tracks, but probably I;ve liekd more.Some of his beats are reall crazy tho, Cali Grown, Who Got That Gangsta SHit, Bad Azz's A Hold On Hip-Hop (what a great ass beat!!love the scratches, everything) and I could go on
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He's dope. I often compare Soopafly and DJ Quik. If Soopa get a better chance, he might be on the same level as Quik. But Death Row fucked up a lot of talents, we already know it. IMO Quik did his finest point in signing Arista when Funky Enough Records was lookin' really bad. That's why DJ Quik is DJ Quik now.
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if this does not work, i think soopafly should do some production outside his camp, and see what happens then.
Yeah, i'd love to see one solo album properly promoted by Snoop. Half these people didn't even know when the Dubb Union album dropped, there's just no excuse for that. I would love to see him produce some stuff for Bone, Game, Dr. Dre, Quik, Warren G, etc.; you know, a few people outside the DPG camp. But I don't have any interest in seeing him getting all crazy and making beats for all these fly-by-night new rappers that are out, they don't deserve his beats. He was getting a little carried away when he was making beats for Jayo Felony, Cydal, Hitt from tha LBC, E-White, etc. So i'm glad he's kind of reeled himself in a bit from that. But that's also probably what's keeping him from getting more exposure, since no one is really checkin for Snoop right now since he sold out.
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The reason Snoop doesn't feature him more is because he's jealous of him, plain and simple. Snoop used to have 2 or 3 Soopafly songs on every album. Then he released Rhythm and Gangsta and everyone told him that album sucked except for one song, "The Bidness" produced by Soopafly. Everyone loved that beat. Well that made Snoop really mad and jealous, so he didn't feature Soopafly at all on his next album except for that Westurn Union cut "Like This" in which Fly once again killed it even though he only had a third of one verse. And that got Snoop even more paranoid and jealous, so this time, he didn't feature Soopafly at all on Ego Trippin. And Snoop tried to weigh Fly down with these 2 rookies, Lucc and Damani, just to basically end Fly's career. Fly ain't no posse rapper, he's a solo act. Anyway, so Fly took these 2 young guys, schooled them and he released the album and it turned out being pretty good. Snoop even tried to put a skip in the record to further stop the momentum, but it didn't work. I can only imagine what Snoop is going to try to do now. I think he feels Soopafly's a few inches away from taking over his throne, which he is.
+1 ;)
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The best rapper on the west is crooked i,soupafly cant even be compared to ice cube.ice cube is in his own leauge
Ice Cube is in his own league, but right now?
I liked "Raw Footage" but let's be real, he's not really the lyricist we knew him as
Crooked I? I haven't heard a Crooked verse in like 3 years, I don't pay attention to that Minor League shit
of course Crooked is a better lyricist than Soopafly but Crooked is off the map, mixtape rappers aren't included in this discussion
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The best rapper on the west is crooked i,soupafly cant even be compared to ice cube.ice cube is in his own leauge
Ice Cube is in his own league, but right now?
I liked "Raw Footage" but let's be real, he's not really the lyricist we knew him as
Crooked I? I haven't heard a Crooked verse in like 3 years, I don't pay attention to that Minor League shit
of course Crooked is a better lyricist than Soopafly but Crooked is off the map, mixtape rappers aren't included in this discussion
Exactly...at least Soopafly releases stuff. Until Crooked I releases an official album, you can't even compare the two.
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why isn't he on more material, especially Snoop?
if you asked me who was the best rapper on the West was right now I'd probably say him
he killed his last album, the Westurn Union mixtape, and the new WU album
I can't think of anybody really fuckin with him last few years
cocaine is a hell of a drug
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Reality is a hell of a drug. This great Man Soopafly is finally starting to get the respect he deserves. I don't think anyone realized how good he was until they heard him rapping next to Lucc and Damani. He just blew them out of the water with his bitch-checking rhymes and everyone had to stand up and take notice.
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Daz is better to infinite and beyond. Next...
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how good is dubb union album, i enjoyed the mixtape is it any better ?
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100% honestly, the mixtape is slightly better I think. Still worth picking up the album though. What I did, is I took the top 6 or 7 songs off the mixtape and the top 6 or 7 from the album and made a bangin CD.
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fuck nah he aint better than cube (especially right now)
and crooked
he better than lil wayne tho
what do you mean "lol" ?
as of right now he's better than - Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Game, any of that New West shit
Game can be nice though, don't get me wrong
the fact he's a dope producer makes him even 10x more underrated
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yeah but it aint like soopafly is releasin albums and albums he did a group joint but nothin huge
not sayin hes bigger and better than crooked (bidness wise) but they both havent dropped enuff especially crooked
The best rapper on the west is crooked i,soupafly cant even be compared to ice cube.ice cube is in his own leauge
Ice Cube is in his own league, but right now?
I liked "Raw Footage" but let's be real, he's not really the lyricist we knew him as
Crooked I? I haven't heard a Crooked verse in like 3 years, I don't pay attention to that Minor League shit
of course Crooked is a better lyricist than Soopafly but Crooked is off the map, mixtape rappers aren't included in this discussion
Exactly...at least Soopafly releases stuff. Until Crooked I releases an official album, you can't even compare the two.
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why isn't he on more material, especially Snoop?
if you asked me who was the best rapper on the West was right now I'd probably say him
he killed his last album, the Westurn Union mixtape, and the new WU album
I can't think of anybody really fuckin with him last few years
I c where ur going with this. within the last 2 years, Soopafly has no doubt been an integral part of the west coast.
Snoop shoulda gotten him exposed around the time he first debuted on Doggfather.
he woulda had a more complete fan base. even his first album wasn't released properly.
Snoop stopped fuckin with the DPG click a long time ago, then all of a sudden has a western conference and starts fuckin with them again? Snoop's fuckin messed up in the head. I hated how he all of a sudden started getting more involved with DPG's projects. PRESENTED BY SNOOP, FEATURING SNOOP....who gives a fuck about Snoop?!
Snoop's career has gotten worse with time and whenever he gets together with Soopafly and whatnot, he ruins their image and never gives them the promotion they deserve. he's like a fuckin STD. stay away from Snoop.
the only project Snoop touched that did alright was the Eastsidaz albums. since then, he hasn't done shit except fall off.
yea I said it.
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Snoop shoulda gotten him exposed around the time he first debuted on Doggfather.
he woulda had a more complete fan base. even his first album wasn't released properly.
Soopafly should've rapped on "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit", that was his first beat on Death Row. It's a classic DPGC cut.
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Soopafly is my fav rapper. I agree with the comment on how you can compare Quik with Fly (except def Quik is know a lot more). Both are really complete MCs....Both rap, write, Produce you name it. I think Fly spits a lil better than Quik even though hes more know for his production.
But yeah, last 2 years Fly has been an integral part in the West Coast.
When I first heard that Snoop has put together two new groups (WU and Warzone) I didn't think much would eventuate from it, But to WU credit, they kept the ball rolling for that 'Hat 2 tha bacc' single (Where snoop should be credited for rolling with this track as a single and not a Warzone/solo track). Managed to drop a mixtape which got hype, and now an album which isn't getting its shine, but hey thats what happens when you drop an album with Kotch records (most of the time).
But I think the point for Dubb Union grouping up, is so that they could get buzz, then go on and push thier solo joints/deals etc. Good networking, and all can bulid on the move.
But the comments about Snoop being Jealous of fly, come on, if that were the case Snoop would drop him from his label, stop fucking with him all together, not tour, not put together groups/ make tracks etc etc....remember with the amount of Producers Snoop has access to and the number of records that can fit on an album, you can't have everyone on all of them...
I mean imagine if Snoop had all his producer on an album that he collabs with...Soopafly, Daz, Jelly Roll, Fredwreck, Battlecat, Neptunes, Terrace Martin, JR Rottem, Meech Wells, Dj Quik, Timbaland, LT Hutton, Dr Dre etc etc....can't fit them all on every album lol....be realistic...
Oh and for the record, you can't compare Soopafly to Ice cube, Game etc etc...totally different artists with different strenghts/weaknesses. Biggie said it the best, when he said a rapper, who also produces gotta respect that!
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Soopafly is my fav rapper. I agree with the comment on how you can compare Quik with Fly (except def Quik is know a lot more). Both are really complete MCs....Both rap, write, Produce you name it. I think Fly spits a lil better than Quik even though hes more know for his production.
But yeah, last 2 years Fly has been an integral part in the West Coast.
But the comments about Snoop being Jealous of fly, come on, if that were the case Snoop would drop him from his label, stop fucking with him all together, not tour, not put together groups/ make tracks etc etc....remember with the amount of Producers Snoop has access to and the number of records that can fit on an album, you can't have everyone on all of them...
I agree with your first part, Soopafly is my favorite rapper too, and he's better than Quik and he's an integral part of the westcoast.
Now, secondly, here is why Snoop doesn't want to drop him from his label. If he dropped Fly, Fly would go produce for some of Snoop's biggest competitors, like 50 cent, Game, Ice Cube, etc. Snoop's sales would plummet. Plus, Snoop knows that Fly produces the best tracks for him out of any of his in-house producers. So Snoop would rather pay Soopafly to do nothing in order to keep him from going somewhere else.
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Snoop shoulda gotten him exposed around the time he first debuted on Doggfather.
he woulda had a more complete fan base. even his first album wasn't released properly.
Soopafly should've rapped on "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit", that was his first beat on Death Row. It's a classic DPGC cut.
Damn soopafly did that????
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Damn soopafly did that????
See, that's what i've been telling everyone. Soopafly is a west coast vet, he's been in the game a long time and produced so many classics I can't even count them all. People need to start studying up on this Man and they too will find out how great he really is.
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Soopafly is a great producer but Daz still owns him because he has far more classics under his belt and more longevity in the industry. But Soopafly is not far behind. Truth be told!
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Please list all the Daz songs you consider to be "classics" so I can get an idea where you are coming from.
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Welcome to the funniest battle of the year...DazDilly vs the homie Soopafly DPGC!
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I have already stated that I do not have that much time to discuss EVERY last Daz Dillinger track. But here is a few songs he had almost everything to do with, some of the most monumental records in music history.
2Pac - Ambitionz Az A Ridah
2Pac - Skandalous
2Pac - Got My Mind Made Up
2Pac - I Ain't Mad At Cha
Snoop Dogg - All of Doggystyle
Tha Dogg Pound - 99.9% of Dogg Food
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But here is a few songs he had almost everything to do with, some of the most monumental records in music history.
Snoop Dogg - All of Doggystyle
Tha Dogg Pound - 99.9% of Dogg Food
Now this confirms this is a very bad joke...you could say that Suge had huge impact in 70% of Death Row songs because he was inside the studio. :laugh:
What about actual Daz solo songs? Soopafly DPGC can come up with 150 soopafly songs and rate them, you have already lost this battle.
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I have already stated that I do not have that much time to discuss EVERY last Daz Dillinger track. But here is a few songs he had almost everything to do with, some of the most monumental records in music history.
2Pac - Ambitionz Az A Ridah
2Pac - Skandalous
2Pac - Got My Mind Made Up
2Pac - I Ain't Mad At Cha
Snoop Dogg - All of Doggystyle
Tha Dogg Pound - 99.9% of Dogg Food
Haha, so out of all of Daz's "classics", you could only think of 4 songs off the top of your head? Hate to tell you, but 2Pac was what made all those songs famous, NOT Daz lol.
And Daz produced all of Doggystyle?? Wow, I didn't know that, some strange world you live in. And Daz produced 99.9% of the Dogg Food album too? You better re-check your liner notes there.
I agree with Booz, how about some actual Daz songs that are classics? If they really are classics, you should be able to rattle off at least 30 off the top of your head. You are a poor excuse for a Daz fan.