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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Meho on October 01, 2008, 02:06:42 AM
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During the past decade, the major labels have treated the digital age with the brutish, clumsy idiocy of Lennie pawing a puppy in Of Mice and Men. But few examples are more brazenly buffoonish than Interscope’s recent decision to kill the Dr. Dre–produced “Grow Up,” the debut single from Aftermath-signed Bishop Lamont, from Carson, California, just as the track began to enter heavy rotation at local urban-radio powerhouse Power 106.
“They said it would be a distraction from [Dre’s long-awaited] Detox, so they sent out cease-and-desist letters to stop the record from being played, a record that tested in market research as a No. 1 hit,” says the hulking Lamont calmly, hints of fury buried in the back of his baritone. “Have you ever heard of a label threatening to sue a radio station for playing a hit record?”
Wishful thinking, perhaps, considering that the comically delayed Detox,on which Lamont is slated to feature heavily, might never make it out of the recesses of Dre’s studio. If anything, Interscope should thank its lucky stars that terrestrial radio, still the premier driver of album sales, was even willing to play a song as complex, thoughtful and pop-averse as “Grow Up.” A scathing but sly indictment of immaturity, whether personal or artistic, Lamont’s would-be smash practically exists in an alternate universe, away from from the money-muddled mandarinism of Aftermath’s biggest star, 50 Cent.
“Whereas most people from the West Coast are stuck rapping about gangbanging and lowriders, Bishop’s diverse and eclectic,” says Garrett Williams, who works in national and urban promotion for Interscope. “He’s a unique breath of fresh air to the game. A lot of rappers only want to talk about how much bling they have. Bishop doesn’t even wear jewelry.”
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Kevin Scanlon
From New Orleans to L.A.: The Knux's Rah Almillio, left, and Krispy Kream
From New Orleans to L.A.: The Knux's Rah Almillio, left, and Krispy Kream
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Kevin Scanlon
Of course, having Dr. Dre’s imprimatur is invaluable locally, but to attribute the success of “Grow Up” solely to Lamont’s mentor discounts the four impressive mixtapes he’s released over the past 18 months, including last November’s stellar Caltroit collaboration with J Dilla heir Black Milk.
Lamont partially attributes the prolificacy to a desire to satisfy fans patiently waiting for his (predictably and constantly) pushed-back debut, The Reformation, featuring beats from a rap nerd’s production dream team of Pete Rock, DJ Premier, J Dilla, Dre and 9th Wonder.
“I don’t want to make people lose faith in me as a new artist,” Lamont says. “I love to put music out and feed the masses on whatever level keeps the movement correct and the momentum going. We’re trying to bring stuff to give the West Coast a resurgence. There’s lyricism and banging beats and, most importantly, it’s honest.”
When you talk with Lamont and listen to his mixtapes, his unabashed sincerity quickly reveals itself as one of his cardinal virtues, with no question he won’t answer, nor any topic too raw for him to rhyme about. In fact, it’s little surprise that Dr. “Fuck tha Police” Dre once declared that Lamont and Eminem were the only two rappers whose lyrics had ever made him feel uncomfortable.
“I just like to write, always have since I got into Edgar Allan Poe and Robert Frost when I was young,” Lamont reflects. “It got the ghost out of my skull and kept me stress-free. If you’re being PC about things, you’re just being corny. What I feel might not be the truth for everyone, but I firmly believe that if it’s your truth, you have to say it. It’s about what you’re in it for; do you want to express yourself and try to inspire people or do you just want the check?”
In truth, if “mainstream” West Coast hip-hop is ever going to get its style out of ’94, it’s abundantly clear that it’ll need iconoclastic rappers like Bishop Lamont. So buy a clue, Interscope — stop being mice.
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-09-25/music/four-on-the-floor/2
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it's no secret that interscope wants to put out Detox first, but calling Grow Up a distraction is bullshit.
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grow up is still in my rotation and i looking forward to the bishop album, but will it ever come out? :-\
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The Reformation, featuring beats from a rap nerd’s production dream team of Pete Rock, DJ Premier, J Dilla, Dre and 9th Wonder.
Now if these guys are on the producer list than Dre better bring his A-game, no leftover beats or you get run over. ;)
I'm just wondering how Dre sound fits with these guys, most of them produce for mainly underground cats, right?
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The Reformation, featuring beats from a rap nerd’s production dream team of Pete Rock, DJ Premier, J Dilla, Dre and 9th Wonder.
Now if these guys are on the producer list than Dre better bring his A-game, no leftover beats or you get run over. ;)
I'm just wondering how Dre sound fits with these guys, most of them produce for mainly underground cats, right?
well Dre is the executive producer, but i wouldn't expect a cohesive sound for the album; there are too many people involved for that.
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I expect a cohesive one. Most of Bishop's mixtape are like that so I expect it to be better, more fluid. If it drops it should be a classic.
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bishop screwed his debut.
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bishop screwed his debut.
how so?
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i dont get how this song could be a distraction from detox. if anything its promotion for detox cause it is a dre produced track getting spins. there is zero detox material and official news out so i don't see what it could have being causing a distraction from. that argument makes zero sense.
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bishop screwed his debut.
how so?
grow up flopped, aint got spins on radio
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lol at "hit record" heres thr 411, the song was pulled because dre wanted to make it single and wanted to release bishops album before his, and wanted to focus on bustas album before detox, so jimmy iovine gave him an ultimatum, him and bustas relationship got knotted up because of it and jimmy released him! iovine then set a deadline for detox to be handed in completed by the end of the year, and basically like most aftermath artists jimmy iovine doesnt realy give a fuck about them and saw "grow up" as sub-par and wasnt recieving enough attention to be a single and was recieving no attention as a "dr dre beat", as you can probablly tell by now iovine wants to orchestrate hit records and bishop lamont is basically the "distraction" for jimmy iovine for getting dre to release detox. I wouldnt be surprised if Bishop eventually was released also, if busta rhymes is getting kicked dont expect bishop lamont to hold any hope
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that was a cool song
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bishop screwed his debut.
how so?
grow up flopped, aint got spins on radio
so you're saying that he screwed his debut by going against the grain with the single?
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meho u still a square nothing changed.
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If 50 is coming out in December then how would it be a distraction from Detox?
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i guess everyone who thought 'grow up' flopped when it seemed to dissapear was wrong. but that was the most likely scenario - nobody would have guessed that the label actually had the track silenced ;d
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grow up is my fav. tracc by bishop.. and one of the few songs i've played on repeat over a month...
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On a business level scrapping that song as the single was the best thing they done...IMO i love the track but its not Dre's full potential & its not Bishop's full potential...if they used that as a single for the album i dont think Bishop would buzz that much as what Game did...IMO Bishop's mixtapes are the best mixtapes ive heard (as far as material goes)....hate to say it but if Grow Up is a sign of what Dre is doin on the boards then i aint really feelin it...i think cats like Focus droppin heaters right now..........and thats the record bizz for you i mean no one can say Bishop has more buzz than what Game had before he dropped and i wouldnt be suprised if he is dropped from interscope cause of that...i hope he isnt i hope he goes all the way through....if it dont though Bishop still has the talent to do it indie or will be picked up by a major.......if dre doesnt release Detox soon then ppl will have higher expectations for it than they have now.....i still got faith in Dre though
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Same old. We need Crooked I, Bishop Lamont and G.Malone cd's in stores a-sap w/ a bar code and shrink wrap that says Universal/Treachrous, AfterMath/Interscope and HooBangin'/Blu Division/CashMoney/Universal .
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this stupid ass nigg a Bishop is so full of himself its pathetic
nigga, YOU ARE NOT DROPPING ANY ALBUM ON AFTERMATH, maybe on my record label before with aftermath
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Man someone over at Interscope has their head up their ass. The last couple moves and decisions made make absolutely no sense.
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lol at "hit record" heres thr 411, the song was pulled because dre wanted to make it single and wanted to release bishops album before his, and wanted to focus on bustas album before detox, so jimmy iovine gave him an ultimatum, him and bustas relationship got knotted up because of it and jimmy released him! iovine then set a deadline for detox to be handed in completed by the end of the year, and basically like most aftermath artists jimmy iovine doesnt realy give a fuck about them and saw "grow up" as sub-par and wasnt recieving enough attention to be a single and was recieving no attention as a "dr dre beat", as you can probablly tell by now iovine wants to orchestrate hit records and bishop lamont is basically the "distraction" for jimmy iovine for getting dre to release detox. I wouldnt be surprised if Bishop eventually was released also, if busta rhymes is getting kicked dont expect bishop lamont to hold any hope
Hmm, makes sense if it's true.
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lol I always think that's jbl from tha wwe in yo sig ^ when I superscroll lol.
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nah this shit don't make sense
the song is startin to blow up
if BL is featured heavily on detox then this is promo just like eminem helped sell 2001
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lol at "hit record" heres thr 411, the song was pulled because dre wanted to make it single and wanted to release bishops album before his, and wanted to focus on bustas album before detox, so jimmy iovine gave him an ultimatum, him and bustas relationship got knotted up because of it and jimmy released him! iovine then set a deadline for detox to be handed in completed by the end of the year, and basically like most aftermath artists jimmy iovine doesnt realy give a fuck about them and saw "grow up" as sub-par and wasnt recieving enough attention to be a single and was recieving no attention as a "dr dre beat", as you can probablly tell by now iovine wants to orchestrate hit records and bishop lamont is basically the "distraction" for jimmy iovine for getting dre to release detox. I wouldnt be surprised if Bishop eventually was released also, if busta rhymes is getting kicked dont expect bishop lamont to hold any hope
can i get Jimmy's phone number?
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Wow, a cease & desist against playing Grow Up?
It's been common knowledge for a good while that Interscope's fuckin' up, but DAMN.
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lol I always think that's jbl from tha wwe in yo sig ^ when I superscroll lol.
LOL, which one?