West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Antonio on October 06, 2008, 03:26:10 AM
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That's a legit question. Here in Europe (expecially here in Italy, were we're serious about it now), they always do drug tests and doping tests, every week, after every game, and all the doping substances are illegal no matter what. Every player has to submit to doping tests, it's not a player's decision but it's the law who forces professional players to make those tests. You can't take those substances, and if you do and you fail to pass a test, they ban you for months/years. They even ban you if you refuse to take the test, cause it means you have something to hide. I know in the States it's different, and it's legal to use some substances that here they're considered doping. And they don't even take serious doping tests. I thought about it cause i've read PG Dan Dickau was signed to Air Avellino, an italian team, but he left the team cause he was asked to submit to a doping test, and he didn't want to do it, saying that they don't do them tests in the States and that it's his personal business if he takes drugs or not, and it shouldn't be revealed to the public. A totally different approach, isn't it?
What you guys think about it? Are you sure your NBA players are drug-free? And do you care about it? (or do you just care to see a good show, and good players playing the best they can no matter how)
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American players are doped, but it's not from performance enhancing drugs, maybe drugs that mess up their performance.
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i dont know if they use PEDs, but weed may be a different story.
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the NFL sure, look at bill romanowski for example
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the NFL sure, look at bill romanowski for example
I thought were talking about NBA. NFL, that's different.
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Naw, not only NBA. I mean American professional players in general, so NFL too.
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
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I don't understand.. Are you asking about performance enhancing drugs (steroids) or recreational drugs (weed, coke, etc.)? If so, the latter is common, while the former would be very unusual in basketball (though there's been a whole ordeal about it in baseball these past couple years)...Dan Dickau is probably a pothead...LOL.
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
2 years? i wish they did that in the MLB...make this sport pure again. i dont care if someone hits 50 hr, as long as they drive in runs, thats all that counts. like my boy james loney, he only hit like 14HR i think, but still drove in 90 runs.
btw, where is "over here"?
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
btw, where is "over here"?
almost ever country in the world outside of North America.
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I don't understand.. Are you asking about performance enhancing drugs (steroids) or recreational drugs (weed, coke, etc.)? If so, the latter is common, while the former would be very unusual in basketball (though there's been a whole ordeal about it in baseball these past couple years)...Dan Dickau is probably a pothead...LOL.
Dickau refused to make an anti-doping test. With this word in Europe we usually refers to the meaning "performance enhancing drugs". The most common one is EPO.
I'm sure 99.9% of the professional athletes in here doesn't take weed & coke, cause they do tests after basically every game (like 2-3 players per team), and it's too risky.
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
btw, where is "over here"?
almost ever country in the world outside of North America.
True that. Here in Italy it's the same. From 2 years (if you are lucky) to lifetime ban. Shit they banned a guy last year only because he refused to make a test.. for 2 years.
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
btw, where is "over here"?
almost ever country in the world outside of North America.
True that. Here in Italy it's the same. From 2 years (if you are lucky) to lifetime ban. Shit they banned a guy last year only because he refused to make a test.. for 2 years.
how do they get treated by the fans when that happens? do they accept em back/forgive them when the return?
most fans over here hate cheaters. and teams will usually blackball/not hire someone who has connections with PED (thats what we call em in the states - performance enhancing drugs).
i firmly believe that anyone who is caught in possession of/using PED, in the mlb, should be fired on the spot, return the $$ to the team, and be stripped of any titles/awards they won.
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there are a lot of juiced up hockey players,football players and baseball players. and since no one´s really trying to do anything about i doubt it´ll change. if you get caught you´ll get some fines and maybe a short suspension so it might be worth the risk. over here, you´ll get a minimum ban of 2 years and if you fuck up again you´ll be suspended for the rest of your life.
btw, where is "over here"?
almost ever country in the world outside of North America.
True that. Here in Italy it's the same. From 2 years (if you are lucky) to lifetime ban. Shit they banned a guy last year only because he refused to make a test.. for 2 years.
how do they get treated by the fans when that happens? do they accept em back/forgive them when the return?
most fans over here hate cheaters. and teams will usually blackball/not hire someone who has connections with PED (thats what we call em in the states - performance enhancing drugs).
i firmly believe that anyone who is caught in possession of/using PED, in the mlb, should be fired on the spot, return the $$ to the team, and be stripped of any titles/awards they won.
fact is that if American fans hated cheaters then they would hate pretty much everyone involved with baseball and football ever before they get caught coz it´s not a secret to anyone what their doing. and i think people should be given a second chance, but if they fuck up again i think it´s very reasonable to ban them for life. i can´t really recall anyone that´s not been welcomed back by the fans. but if you get caught once and you´re a big footballer(soccer player)you´ll lose a shitload of money coz the team don´t have to pay your wage and you´ll lose all of your endorsments so most of them won´t fuck up again.
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It rarely happens to top players anyway. Usually it's minor players who get caught by the tests.
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It rarely happens to top players anyway. Usually it's minor players who get caught by the tests.
and i think that comes from some of them not having the natural talent that they gotta get juiced up to compete. but i´d say Japp Stam and Edgar Davids were top players when they got caught. but i can see why Edgar did it coz when you play ass agressive as him it gotta be hard to keep it up when you´re closing in on your 30´s. and Rio Ferdinand got suspended but i don´t know if there´s been any evidince that he actually used anything illegal.
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It rarely happens to top players anyway. Usually it's minor players who get caught by the tests.
and i think that comes from some of them not having the natural talent that they gotta get juiced up to compete. but i´d say Japp Stam and Edgar Davids were top players when they got caught. but i can see why Edgar did it coz when you play ass agressive as him it gotta be hard to keep it up when you´re closing in on your 30´s. and Rio Ferdinand got suspended but i don´t know if there´s been any evidince that he actually used anything illegal.
If i remember well he got banned cause he refused to make the test.
Anyway yeah, it's maybe 3 top players.
But 90-95% of the athletes who are caught with PED are not famous.
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^i don´t even think he refused to take it just think he left the training grounds coz he wasn´t aware that they was gonna test them. that´s what Alex Ferguson said anyway and i think he actually took a test a couple of days later. and if he had taken PED´s they would´ve showed up a couple of days later aswell
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It depends, usually you need 3-4 days for the effects to disappear. Anyway that's a perfect example of the difference between here and the States.
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It depends, usually you need 3-4 days for the effects to disappear. Anyway that's a perfect example of the difference between here and the States.
if you´ve taken steroids you can trace it in the blood for months and i´m guessing that they have the right to do blood tests if they believe you´ve used steroids.
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It depends, usually you need 3-4 days for the effects to disappear. Anyway that's a perfect example of the difference between here and the States.
if you´ve taken steroids you can trace it in the blood for months and i´m guessing that they have the right to do blood tests if they believe you´ve used steroids.
No they don't. They can't take blood tests, you as a player have to accept to it. Anyway i'm not talking about steroids, but about EPO (it's called like that, in Italy). Now i think they call it CERA. Anyway steroids are old, and easy to find. Now they have other doping substances that are extremely hard to find. They are professionists, even in getting drugs, lol.
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most of that EPO stuff is in sports where you need extreme endurance and not a lot of musclemass and most athletes don´t need that. but nowadays it´s hard not to get caught whatever you take(in the countries they actually run tests in anyway).
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Have you read what they're doing with the tests done in Pechin? They are re-doing them in France, cause in France they can make better tests and find better traces of EPO and shit..
The problem is that some countries take it seriously, and some don't.
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^yeah, i´ve read about that and it´ll be interesting to see what happens. France are one of the countries that seem to take it the most serious but i´m guessing it´s coz of the Tour and all the bad press the cheaters have caused in the last 10 years.
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^yeah, i´ve read about that and it´ll be interesting to see what happens. France are one of the countries that seem to take it the most serious but i´m guessing it´s coz of the Tour and all the bad press the cheaters have caused in the last 10 years.
Yeah.
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LOL@Dickau on roids.