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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on October 07, 2008, 01:02:01 PM
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This thread is a bit different...instead of just naming your ten favorites, name something about them that you don't like, whether it's minor or something serious. Most people are always being defensive about their favorites, and saying negative things about those they don't like...so I just want to switch things up for a change. Therefore...if somebody says something negative in this case, it is NOT hating, LOL.
I'll list my current favorites...
Snoop - Tends to say his name too much at times...gets lazy on certain tracks, even those that have classic potential. Tends to leave off great tracks from every album, although some are from sample clearance issues and label politics
Dre - Doesn't put out enough albums and takes too long at times....tends to milk his sound at times, which all producers do, but it tends to have people say "he fell off" when reality is he's just using whatever that style is as much as he can until it burns out
Quik - Tends to be slightly bi-polar when it comes to bein "gangsta" and with some of his opinions and actions. Tends to be hit and miss when he tries different styles of production.
Too Short - Some of his albums tend to lose replay value because of the repetitive content. His formula has definitely worked forever, but at times, it can be monotonous.
Crooked I - As everyone complains, he doesn't have an album...but for me, the even bigger issue is that he rarely puts out songs that have lasting appeal to me. He has the best verses and bars in the game when he's on his shit, but that doesn't always lead to good songs. I've heard him on commercial beats that made me happy that he wasn't the original rapper who got the beat, even when the rapper who used it may only be half as good as him.
Murs - Flow tends to go slightly off track at times, depending on the song and beat. Some of his songs will sound good on album, but sound better live when he is 100% into it
Mistah F.A.B. - Tends to get carried away with the Mac Dre style at times, and tends to say random azz things that can be hit or miss. Because of his "thizzed out" persona, it's hard for some people to take him serious as a lyricist and battle rapper, especially if they only know his Thizz style.
Glasses Malone - Tends to aim many songs to the south and their style, which is only a problem to me because I can't always play them during a West Coast mix due to the tempo and energy.
Game - Name drops way too much, and every once in a while, his flow falls off track. He sounds forced on some songs
E-40 - His flow is obviously unorthodox, but tends to babble a bit too much at times. He knows how to change it up, and can flow directly on beat when needed, but can get carried away at times.
Clyde Carson - Voice tends to be too dry at times, and can lack energy at times
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very cool thread! I am going to ignore the 10 rule and post a few more than just 10 ;)
Snoop Dogg - seems to switch up personalities way too often. for example, BCT was a big-time gangster album and then the next 1 (ET) was far from that; the next 1 will likely be back on the gangsta tip
Dr Dre - as said, doesn't have enough albums and takes too long. Recent production has been nothing mind blowing and somewhat disappointing in a way
Quik - hasn't dropped enough material/albums in recent memory
Crooked I - no album yet
Game - name drops a lot and is bi-polar at times
Knoc-turn'al - doesn't drop enough material
Warren G - has lyrically declined
Ice Cube - makes a few "forced" sounding tracks now a days but i must say this artist is in my top 10 and is 1 i don't have much to complain about
Bishop Lamont - no album yet (countless classic mixtapes though)
Daz Dillinger - puts too many projects out; quantity over quality with him now in days
G. Malone - nothin to really complain about, but up there for me (fav west coast rappers)
Kam - too long since his last album
Kurupt - only (lyrically) shows up most of the time now instead of all the time like before
Mack 10 - way too long since his last cd
One2 - no album yet, but some great tapes
Roscoe - way 2 long since last cd
Sly Boogy - not enough music/projects/info on what he's working on
Strong Arm Steady - no 100% official cd yet
WC - only 3 solo albums in what has been a very long career
I did this for the fun on it. with it all said, these are all still great rappers who i am satisfied with. god damn, the west has a lot of talent. long live the coast!
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Bishop Lamomt- theres nothing not 2 like..he been droppin hot mixtapes consistently..The West needs 2 stand up and support him a lot more.
Glasses Malone- Same as Bishop
Eastwood-Talented as fuck..Just keeps us waiting 2 long for his projects
Ya Boy-Does his dam thang
J Wells- There's lots I don't like here but that's a story for another time.
Stylistik Jones- The talent is all there...Needs 2 grind a lot more!!
Mitchy Slick- I ain't saying shit bad about mitch..fuck that...that's my nigga
Jay Rock- Love his music..this nigga is hot..But he got us all waitin 2 Follow him home
Hot Dollar- No comment
Xzibit-No comment
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whats the point in puttin hot dollar and xzibit in there and leaving no comment are you for real
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whats the point in puttin hot dollar and xzibit in there and leaving no comment are you for real
Yeah I'm 4real..sometimes u know 2 much and it's better left alone than aired out in a fourm..I'll save my comments for them and say it there face..but other than that i'm a fan of there work..
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1. Tray Deee - Got locked up, never released a solo album
2. Jayo Felony - hasn't released a album in years, solo albums were not up to par for how good he is
3. Snoop - No album can ever live up to doggystyle, he chooses some wack ass tracks for every album he puts out
4. Dre - hasn't released an album in years, now works with wack ass rappers
5. spice 1 - sort of fell off, chooses hella cheap wack beats
6. E-40 - sold out on that down south bullshit
7. MC Ren - Hasn't released an album in years, probably can't afford good beats
8. Ice Cube - Last album was dissapointing, especially after hearing Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It
9. MC Eiht - Fell off
10. Tha Dogg Pound - Fell off
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damn ya tripping how come no one got mr.capon e, or lil squirrel or lil yogi??
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The Game - name drops too much, always has facts wrong (ie. Pac died at 24, 2001 dropped in 2001).
Ice Cube - always seems to dickride the latest trends (ie. Club jams, Southern movement).
Snoop Dogg - his flow fuckin' sucks post-Dogg Food, his flow '92-'95 was the best flow ever in Hip Hop.
Kurupt - fell off lyrically, instead of dropping complex yet cohesive rhymes he now just puts big words together thinking us fans will fall for it.
Dr. Dre - doesn't produce full albums anymore, is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
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LMAO @ kurupt only shows up lyrically most of the time. Whats your definition of most?
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1. Tray Deee - Got locked up, never released a solo album
2. Jayo Felony - hasn't released a album in years, solo albums were not up to par for how good he is
3. Snoop - No album can ever live up to doggystyle, he chooses some wack ass tracks for every album he puts out
4. Dre - hasn't released an album in years, now works with wack ass rappers
5. spice 1 - sort of fell off, chooses hella cheap wack beats
6. E-40 - sold out on that down south bullshit
7. MC Ren - Hasn't released an album in years, probably can't afford good beats
8. Ice Cube - Last album was dissapointing, especially after hearing Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It
9. MC Eiht - Fell off
10. Tha Dogg Pound - Fell off
tray dee had a solo album..the generals list from back in 2002
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1. Tray Deee - Got locked up, never released a solo album
2. Jayo Felony - hasn't released a album in years, solo albums were not up to par for how good he is
3. Snoop - No album can ever live up to doggystyle, he chooses some wack ass tracks for every album he puts out
4. Dre - hasn't released an album in years, now works with wack ass rappers
5. spice 1 - sort of fell off, chooses hella cheap wack beats
6. E-40 - sold out on that down south bullshit
7. MC Ren - Hasn't released an album in years, probably can't afford good beats
8. Ice Cube - Last album was dissapointing, especially after hearing Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It
9. MC Eiht - Fell off
10. Tha Dogg Pound - Fell off
tray dee had a solo album..the generals list from back in 2002
Wow, thanks for that info...I had no idea my favorite rapper had a solo album. Where the fuck have I been living? Probably in reality where I can tell the difference between a solo album and a compilation.
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1. Tray Deee - Got locked up, never released a solo album
2. Jayo Felony - hasn't released a album in years, solo albums were not up to par for how good he is
3. Snoop - No album can ever live up to doggystyle, he chooses some wack ass tracks for every album he puts out
4. Dre - hasn't released an album in years, now works with wack ass rappers
5. spice 1 - sort of fell off, chooses hella cheap wack beats
6. E-40 - sold out on that down south bullshit
7. MC Ren - Hasn't released an album in years, probably can't afford good beats
8. Ice Cube - Last album was dissapointing, especially after hearing Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It
9. MC Eiht - Fell off
10. Tha Dogg Pound - Fell off
tray dee had a solo album..the generals list from back in 2002
Wow, thanks for that info...I had no idea my favorite rapper had a solo album. Where the fuck have I been living? Probably in reality where I can tell the difference between a solo album and a compilation.
:psych:
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The Game - Contradicts himself too much (Doesn't really affect his music but it gets annoying)
Jay Rock - Hasn't shown that he can do a variety of songs
K. Dot - Jocking Wayne's style too much
Juice - Inconsistent with his lyrical ability
Snoop Dogg - Gets lazy with his lyrics and flow
DJ Quik - Don't like his flip flopping with wanting/not-wanting to be a gangsta
Crooked I - All of his songs are punch lines and not album worthy material
Too $hort - Lost it after the "Gettin' It" album
Ya Boy - Similar to Crooked in that, he hasn't shown that he can make album worthy material
G. Malone - No variety in his flow. He was cool on "White Lightening Sticks" but fell off
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Soopafly - Official 3rd member of Dogg Pound, but never on a full project with DoggPound (to me I think he can give them that edge they looking for, if he done an entire Dogg Pound album not just a production or feature there and there). Perhaps not his call. Also need more solo material from him too.
Tash - Great lyrical rapper. Need more of that alkaholik style in the game right now. (wheres this solo...suppose to beat months ago)?
Fingazz - I know hes a producer...but still one of my fav artists. Makes shitty rappers great tracks too often...Even that good that you can forget how shit the artist is half the time. Need more Great production for Great rappers. (not saying all artists he works with are wack, but the bulk of them are)
Snoop - Glad hes moved on from that pimpin era, but yeah leaves a lot of dope tracks off albums. Also not asking for another doggystyle, but you don't hear him with that witty/lyrical fast spit that he use to do, love for him to do some more tracks like that...even over todays production could still work.
Turf Talk - Love his original unique style. Not afraid to try new things. Like E-40 but less...cartoony? Perhaps needs to branch out more?
Kurupt - I think he has found his dope flow again, and he still has that lyrical touch every now and then, but too much bitches/hoes in his lyrics..and with a little bit more consistency would be great. I think the West Coast really needs another Kurupt solo...proper solo. Have a few big names drop, but no second tiers really drop albums to help the swing.
Bad Azz - Dude has the best flow in the game when on point. Has kinda dropped off the radar, and needs to one hear from him and two get that killer flow in rotation more often!
Quik - Stop working with AMG lol...and sort your personal problems out. One day real humble, next day you flip out. Still great artist...with great production.
Jayo Felony - Wheres dude gone? Lost his way?
Crooked I - Best MC in the game. No album, tracks/freestyles that we get too often have little replay value as we all know your dope. Stop stuffing around, aim for 1st or 2nd quater next year, Get over snoop issue and hit him up for a Collab with him and make one BIG ASS Mainstream hit, that will get them spins you looking for (as Akon track not exactly working, Dre ghost writing fell through) and grab this game by the nuts and show us how its suppose to be like.
I.E artists - Sly Boogy, Dirty Birdy, Dr Stank, Diamonique etc Where are you all? Need to drop albums and put I.E. on the Map for good!!! Too much talent not getting heard.
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The Game - The namedrops, seems to be lazy when it comes to lyrics and flow on his albums compared to his mixtapes.
Snoop - His flow def aint there anymore, the constant "L-B-C, S-N-Double O-P, 2-1-3, D-O-Double G" rhymes.
The rest comin later..
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Ice cube - LIke previous poster said does seem to fallow trends and i have been saying for a while some of his stuff sounds forced. His flow is also lazy i believe compared to his early days and specialy compared to 94-2000
Dre - dosent put out enough albums.... lol same as everyone
Snoop - LIke someone said, d-o-g-g-lbc-2-1-3 is enough already
Dj quik and warren g - i find both these guys should work a little more on lyrics
Suga free - Tends to be repetetive now after 3-4 albums, street gospel is classic tho
i wanna say tho my biggest thing about my fav or any westcoast artists in the last 4-5 years is creativity. To me al lot of up and comers sound the same, recycle past westcaost brilliance and rely on the westcoast. It aint 92 anymore.
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1. Tray Deee - Got locked up, never released a solo album
2. Jayo Felony - hasn't released a album in years, solo albums were not up to par for how good he is
3. Snoop - No album can ever live up to doggystyle, he chooses some wack ass tracks for every album he puts out
4. Dre - hasn't released an album in years, now works with wack ass rappers
5. spice 1 - sort of fell off, chooses hella cheap wack beats
6. E-40 - sold out on that down south bullshit
7. MC Ren - Hasn't released an album in years, probably can't afford good beats
8. Ice Cube - Last album was dissapointing, especially after hearing Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It
9. MC Eiht - Fell off
10. Tha Dogg Pound - Fell off
tray dee had a solo album..the generals list from back in 2002
Generals list wasnt a solo it was a comp, with different arist. Wish we could have got a Trey Dee solo.
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
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Warren G - has lyrically declined
well his lyrics have always been simple
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Cypress Hill - fell completely the fuck off with their music. although b-real is kinda making a comeback with his lyrics.
Sick Jacken/Psycho Realm - beat selection always kinda been off, thats been my only complaint. lyrics are on point as well as flow.
Snoop Dogg - Doesn't have that classic freestyle like flow he had when he first came out. his lyrical content never really
matured and his lyrical abilities never really grew either.
Bishop Lamont - sometimes his flow sounds way too lazy and boring. might sound like hes just trying to fill space.
Kurupt - repeats words too much now, flow is just...off too much. sometimes im like what the fuck are you talking about duke?
shit makes no sense.
Mistah Fab - needs to let his real lyrical side shine more. doesn't come as lyrical on those hyphy type songs.
Andre Nickatina - flow gets too monotonous and broken up sometimes.
2 Mex - too much of this abstract style, blabbering about girls and comes off sounding forced. or just way too weird.
Scarub - sometimes over does it with the flow, doesn't rhyme on beat or just putting too much into one line.
E-40 - is getting on way too many whack beats lately, song writing not as consistent. although his
flow is monstrous now. his albums are dope about 6-7 tracks in, then they sorta fall off.
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Cypress Hill - fell completely the fuck off with their music. although b-real is kinda making a comeback with his lyrics.
Fell the fuck off? Cypress never fell off, they really don't have a wack album, even thought the last wasn't that great.
"What's Your Number" was complete bullshit, cuz of what their music always been but i'd rather listen to it then most of the "mainstream" songs.
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
You didn't know that? What about Scott Storch on 2001?
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
You didn't know that? What about Scott Storch on 2001?
what? in 99 Scott Storch was unknown and was a protege of Dr. Dre. he blew up because of 2001. not the other way around.
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
You didn't know that? What about Scott Storch on 2001?
what? in 99 Scott Storch was unknown and was a protege of Dr. Dre. he blew up because of 2001. not the other way around.
That's true, but it still ain't in-house production to me. By the way he was down with The Roots way back then.
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
You didn't know that? What about Scott Storch on 2001?
what? in 99 Scott Storch was unknown and was a protege of Dr. Dre. he blew up because of 2001. not the other way around.
That's true, but it still ain't in-house production to me. By the way he was down with The Roots way back then.
Well he worked with Aftermath camp between 99-04 so I would still consider him an insider.
Anyone else you heard of, please tell us?
I'm sure Focus works with him on Detox, he is as much of Dre's camp than Em is.
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Dr. Dre is getting beats from "popular" producers for Detox instead of keeping it in-house as his previous two, does not keep it West Coast anymore.
What? Where dd you get this information from.
You didn't know that? What about Scott Storch on 2001?
what? in 99 Scott Storch was unknown and was a protege of Dr. Dre. he blew up because of 2001. not the other way around.
That's true, but it still ain't in-house production to me. By the way he was down with The Roots way back then.
Well he worked with Aftermath camp between 99-04 so I would still consider him an insider.
Anyone else you heard of, please tell us?
I'm sure Focus works with him on Detox, he is as much of Dre's camp than Em is.
Well I think the main issue that people have is that even with Mel-Man, Daz, Scott Storch, and anybody else he worked with, it was still "all in the family" and people who may have already done things before him, but they did more than just that album and were connected to him in some way. On this one, he's gettin cats who've been in the game for 5-8 years strong and are already known commercially, meaning they have their own style and sound, versus people that Dre's been working with who's ideas may have bounced off of his and vice versa.
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Sly Boogy - He's been lying low for too long. Needs more material to get people talking about him again. Also needs an album.
Ras Kass - What I said about Sly Boogy applies to Ras too, plus Ras needs to stay outta jail.
Crooked I - He just needs to drop an album.
Kurupt - He fell off and got lazy there for awhile, but lately he's been coming with some heat. If he can revisit his Dogg Food days, it's a wrap.
Snoop - He's been hit & miss pretty much his whole career with the exception of Doggystyle. Sometimes he tries too hard.
Xzibit - He lacks focus lately due to acting, making his last few albums hit & miss. If he revisits his first 3 albums, then he'd be killing the scene.
Mykestro - Not enough material. From what I've heard from him, he's a beast, but we need more. He needs to burn up the streets and make some noise.
Techniec - See Mykestro.
Bishop Lamont - Needs an album.
Glasses Malone - Needs an album.
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Cypress Hill - fell completely the fuck off with their music. although b-real is kinda making a comeback with his lyrics.
Fell the fuck off? Cypress never fell off, they really don't have a wack album, even thought the last wasn't that great.
"What's Your Number" was complete bullshit, cuz of what their music always been but i'd rather listen to it then most of the "mainstream" songs.
come on dude, compare their last 3 albums to anything on temple of boom or the albums prior to that. it does not match up. all that rock rap shit they were doing was way whack too.
and i forgot to put my 2 cents on Ras Kass:
the lyrics are there, the flow is there, the concepts are there, but the overall motivation isn't.
he still suffers from shitty beat selection too. and his songs always seemed to lack a little something that
just made them all around classics. i don't know, i feel like this guy is probably the most prolific writer on
the west coast ever, but he kinda comes short in some aspects.
as for detox, dre is supposed to have worked with hi-tek, knottz, mel-man, scott storch, and i think a few other heads. it's mostly just producers who's work he likes a lot, or have been influenced by him or he's been influenced by. definitely not up and comers though, mostly established dudes who are well respected in hip hop.
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-NWA; The reunion is long overdue :-[ :-\
-MC Ren/Paris; Still waiting for that Ren solo album produced by Paris >:(
-RBX; Where's the Concrete Criminals project? >:(
-Kurupt; ;) Nothing to complain about really....
-The D.O.C; that his voice got "damaged".....
-Crooked I; Fuck the "official" album,it's probably some mainstream shit anyway. I rather listen to his street albums. In other words nothing to complain about :P ;)
-Mac Mall; Fuck those hyphy beats,get back with Khayree
-Dubee AKA Sugawolf Pimp; Fuck those hyphy beats,get back with Khayree
-Too Short; Needs to get back to that funky shit and reunite The Dangerous Crew ASAP!!!
-The Coup/Boots Riley; That cats sleep on him :P :laugh:
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-Too Short; Needs to get back to that funky shit and reunite The Dangerous Crew ASAP!!!
Ain't that the truth. He needs to get back with Ant Banks and stop messing with the A for beats.