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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Big PaybaCC on October 13, 2008, 04:28:56 PM
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JUST FINISHED DEBATING WITH THE LIL HOMIE THAT IT DOES'NT BELONG TO T-PAIN IT BELONGED TO ROGER AND ZAPP EVEN THOUGH T-PAIN HAS MADE IT POPULAR AGAIN I DONT FEEL THAT HE IS THE OWNER OF THE STYLE CUZ WEST COAST LEGENDS LIKE BATTLECAT AND DJ QUIK HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS,ITS SEEMS TO ME WHEN WEST COAST DOES IT FIRST, THEN ITS PLAYED OUT OR AINT NOBODY FEELING IT BUT WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE WEST COAST DOES IT THEN ITS THE NEW TREND AND ITS THE GREATEST INVENTION SINCE THE WHEEL,ITS LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND FINDING SOME MONEY AND SAYING ITS THEIRS CUZ THEY FOUND IT WHERE YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE LOOKED...I SEE ALOT OF THESE DUDES STEALING OUR STYLE AND BLOWING UP FROM IT AND THEY NOT PAYING HOMAGE TO WHOM THEY GOT IT FROM!!! SO IM ASKING YOU THE PEOPLE IN THE HIP HOP WORLD DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE... AND LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO A CHILDISH NAME CALLING SESSION,THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DEBATERS ONLY!!!
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Roger and Zapp, particularly Roger, are the pioneers of a particular process for making vocoded vocals.....
T-Pain, actually does not use a vocoder, he uses software, Auto-Tune by Antares..... But no, he should not be the only one using it.... he didn't invent it, He wasn't even the first to use it. T-Pain simply did something that no one else was doing (at the time) and while he should be given his props for tryin somethin that Niggas wasn't doin, he shouldn't be givin exclusive rights to something he didn't actually create.....
Now, Dj Quick and Battle cat are no strangers to Autotune, but up until T-Pain blew up, they were not using the program the same way that T-Pain does.... The program, actually has many other more practicle uses than just the "T-Pain FX".....
Speaking of Battle Cat WTF happen to that nigga? where he at?
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t-pain doesnt even use the same sound as roger and zap...
r kelly uses it well on "shawty is the shit remix"... but basically yeah t-pain should be the only one.
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I agree with you on T-Pain not being the originator of the vocoder and people not acknowledging who really started it but I think he's the only one who's using it in mainstream right now that doesn't sound stupid as hell. I think Snoop's Sexual Eruption and Wayne's Lollipop song sounded cool with it but it's just gettin out of hand because everybody wanna do it like it's something new and it's makin a lot of people's songs sound even more goofy.
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JUST FINISHED DEBATING WITH THE LIL HOMIE THAT IT DOES'NT BELONG TO T-PAIN IT BELONGED TO ROGER AND ZAPP EVEN THOUGH T-PAIN HAS MADE IT POPULAR AGAIN I DONT FEEL THAT HE IS THE OWNER OF THE STYLE CUZ WEST COAST LEGENDS LIKE BATTLECAT AND DJ QUIK HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS,ITS SEEMS TO ME WHEN WEST COAST DOES IT FIRST, THEN ITS PLAYED OUT OR AINT NOBODY FEELING IT BUT WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE WEST COAST DOES IT THEN ITS THE NEW TREND AND ITS THE GREATEST INVENTION SINCE THE WHEEL,ITS LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND FINDING SOME MONEY AND SAYING ITS THEIRS CUZ THEY FOUND IT WHERE YOU WOULD NEVER LOOK...I SEE ALOT OF THESE DUDES STEALING OUR STYLE AND BLOWING UP FROM IT AND THEY NOT PAYING HOMAGE TO WHOM THEY GOT IT FROM!!! SO IM ASKING YOU THE PEOPLE IN THE HIP HOP WORLD DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE... AND LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO A CHILDISH NAME CALLING SESSION,THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DEBATERS ONLY!!!
My nigga Paybacc i see what you sayin but on the part about dudes stealing the west coast stuff and not paying homage its kind of like saying both the west and south stole hip hop from us up here on the east coast and not paying homage. I mean the banging stuff niggaz deserve to get called out on but if you mean as far as production,flow,delivery,and lyrics i dont think it should be a problem. By the way nah the auto tune aint only for t-pain he gets the credit for bringing it back but it aint limited to only him.
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Peter Frampton was the first to use the vocoder. Fuck "auto tunes"....
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1 niga shouldnt bite the next niggaz style regardless wut it is unless he given credit where its due..otherwise stay off the next mans nuts
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As El the Self Image says, T-Pain doesn't use a vocoder, he uses Autotune. So you can't compare it with your examples.
And yes, T-Pain should be the only one using that unique effect cuz everybody else sounds like shit using it. Weezy, Kells, Kanye etc. etc. should stop using it cuz T-Pain is the only one who does it right...
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Im tha lil Hommie paybacc talkin bout... T pain did steal tha style from zapp and rodger, im just saying all these other niggaz using it now are stealing it from T pain because he's made it popular in the last few years. I barley like t pain, so all im really saying is i dont wana hear anybody else at this time using it because it sounds like they wana be T pain, and really we were talking bout rappers using it, I dont really care if a singer uses it,, but who wants to hear a RAPPER SING???? Im sure there might be a few exceptions, but for the most part Rappers do not need to sing and Some one needs to destroy the autotune software in every studio!!!!
and we know autotune and the talk box are different but they do tha same shit, and is used for the same sound, just autotune is the new way..
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The problem is with everything else, use it in moderation. But everyone over does everything to the point everybody is sick of it in 6 months.
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lol voice coder. fail.
a vocoder is used on all sorts of things. he uses antares autotune . he is def not the first to use it. he just uses it to the max.
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The problem is with everything else, use it in moderation. But everyone over does everything to the point everybody is sick of it in 6 months.
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yea i dont really feel that wierd shit and i CANT stand it when lil wayne uses it.
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I wouldn't really say he "stole" it...as everyone said, it's much different from Roger and Zapp did...and if he "stole it", does that mean West Coast rappers and producer stole it from Roger? Most people don't even realize it...but Roger Troutman is NOT from California! He's from Ohio...so did the West Coast steal our 90's sound from Roger, Ohio Players, and others?
The autotune is gettin played out, and Pain doesn't have anything he can do about it...but truth is, even if he stops singin those autotune hooks, he still raps better than 70% of the South..he came out as a rapper, and he can still spit hard as hell. When people hear him on songs rappin, they are like "damm, that's really him?" Also, he writes and produces...so he does have talent, even though his voice can be seem as a gimmick.
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YEAH TALKBOX STARTED WITH ZAPP YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK OUT ZAPP AND MR.CAPONE-E ALBUM 2 CLASSIC ALBUMS FROM ZAPP AND MR.CAPONE-E... BUT, THE VOICE CODER FROM WHAT I FOUGHT OUT AND IS TRUE FINGAZZ AND MR.CAPONE-E CAME WITH THE IDEA BACK IN 2003 WHEN HE REALEASE THE ALBUM ALWAYS "N" FOREVER THERE IS A SONG CALLED "STRUGGLE" WHICH YOU CAN YOUTUBE IT...... MR.CAPONE-E AND HI POWER CAME TO FINGAZZ WITH A IDEA TO TRY A VOICE CODER WHICH IS USED ON OTHER TYPES OF MUSIC AND THAT MADE HISTORY FROM WHAT I HEARD BUT YEAH T-PAIN MADE IT BIG!! ALSO FINGAZZ WAS DOING TALK BOX FOR A WHILE THEY DID A SONG CALLED "CALI IN THE SUMMERTIME" FOR ROSCOE SO THERE IS SOME PEOPLE THAT DID IT BEFORE T-PAIN SO THE TRUTH IS HE IS NOT THE ORGINATOR BUT HE DID MAKE IT A HIT
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stevie wonder was doing the talkbox even b4 roger and roger said he was insoired 2 do it after he saw stevie wonder on sesame street doing the abc's with a talkbox...but of course we know that roger took it and made it his own thang
but never get it twisted what t-pain does is nothing like what roger did
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4o7aZfeFwM
T pain with out his magic tool!lol
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I wouldn't really say he "stole" it...as everyone said, it's much different from Roger and Zapp did...and if he "stole it", does that mean West Coast rappers and producer stole it from Roger? Most people don't even realize it...but Roger Troutman is NOT from California! He's from Ohio...so did the West Coast steal our 90's sound from Roger, Ohio Players, and others?
The autotune is gettin played out, and Pain doesn't have anything he can do about it...but truth is, even if he stops singin those autotune hooks, he still raps better than 70% of the South..he came out as a rapper, and he can still spit hard as hell. When people hear him on songs rappin, they are like "damm, that's really him?" Also, he writes and produces...so he does have talent, even though his voice can be seem as a gimmick.
nuff said...
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I wouldn't really say he "stole" it...as everyone said, it's much different from Roger and Zapp did...and if he "stole it", does that mean West Coast rappers and producer stole it from Roger? Most people don't even realize it...but Roger Troutman is NOT from California! He's from Ohio...so did the West Coast steal our 90's sound from Roger, Ohio Players, and others?
The autotune is gettin played out, and Pain doesn't have anything he can do about it...but truth is, even if he stops singin those autotune hooks, he still raps better than 70% of the South..he came out as a rapper, and he can still spit hard as hell. When people hear him on songs rappin, they are like "damm, that's really him?" Also, he writes and produces...so he does have talent, even though his voice can be seem as a gimmick.
nuff said...
yep
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JUST FINISHED DEBATING WITH THE LIL HOMIE
That must have been an intellectual debate.
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I think that there is a little confusion, the talkbox (Roger, BattleCat, Dj Quik...) is different from vocoder and also different from autotune (T-Pain).
Autotune doesn't require the same talent that a talkbox does, the result is also less good in my opinion. I think that it's a good thing that people are perpetuating the talkbox, Roger remains a reference forever tho.
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he can have the exclusive rights to that wack shit.
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he can have the exclusive rights to that wack shit.
co sign
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I WAS AWARE OF FRAMPTON OF USIN THE TALKBOX FEATURE IN THE 70S, BUT IDIDNT KNO STEVIE USED IT , THAS DOPE
AND OF COURS ZAPP N RODGER MADE IT DOPE 4 THE WESTCOAST,
ALSO DONT FORGET NASTY BOY KLICK/NB RYDERS MC MAGIC BEENS USIN IT FROM ABOUT MID 90S OR SO
THE KANYE SONG WITH JEEZY SOUNDS DOPE BUT HIS NEW SONG ????
IDONT LIKEIT
DPGC23
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I just watched that Funny-aSS YouTube video..
SMDH @ T-Pain Making a Dedication Song To a Tool He Isn't Even Using!
Now, you can't expect everyone to know about everything, but dedicating
a song to the wrong piece of equipment is like shoutin out "Whaddup USA" while ur in Iraq!
Roger T didn't invent the voicebox aka vocoder.. He only Mastered It.
..then He taught Cats Like QUIK how to do it the CORRECT way.
The Auto-Tune feature was actually made popular after Cher released "Do You Believe"..
Cher, as we know is a pretty crap singer and during one session she kept hitting the wrong notes,
but in the process it started to sound electronic and fresh !!
-She was using the ATR-1 Pitch Correction HARDWARE model though, not the PLUG-IN on ProTools!!
Funny thing is I have an ATR-1 Machine.. Had It Since I Pretty Much Started Rapping..
It was included in my studio equipment setup, yet for years I never even knew what exactly it did!
Now it is a staple on most urban music.. T-Pain made it popular again - but there are others who do it better!
That said, I'd like to see anyone try to stake claim at a particular style or genre.. LoL.. Good Luck!
Once it's Out.. It's OUT!!
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he can have the exclusive rights to that wack shit.
Fuck yes.
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he can have the exclusive rights to that wack shit.
lol
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no so that he gets Das Efx'd
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Id like to see these rappers (Specially Kanye) stop using it for atleast 50 songs.
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The first time I heard autotune was in E-40's in U and Dat Monkey song. Guess who was rocking with the autotune on that song (drumroll).... T-Pain! I liked the autotune thing he did on that song and I didn't expect autotune to spread like rabies. Today, rappers have no morals with using autotune. Every god damn idiot is using it which disgusts me. In my opinion U.S. government should start rationing the use of autotune. The best practice would be if they started granting licences for using autotune. Two or three autotune songs a year would be optimal. By rationing the use of autotune, people would no more need to use depression medicines and the same time the state would save significant amount of money on health care costs.
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JUST FINISHED DEBATING WITH THE LIL HOMIE
That must have been an intellectual debate.
lol +1
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JUST FINISHED DEBATING WITH THE LIL HOMIE THAT IT DOES'NT BELONG TO T-PAIN IT BELONGED TO ROGER AND ZAPP EVEN THOUGH T-PAIN HAS MADE IT POPULAR AGAIN I DONT FEEL THAT HE IS THE OWNER OF THE STYLE CUZ WEST COAST LEGENDS LIKE BATTLECAT AND DJ QUIK HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS,ITS SEEMS TO ME WHEN WEST COAST DOES IT FIRST, THEN ITS PLAYED OUT OR AINT NOBODY FEELING IT BUT WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE WEST COAST DOES IT THEN ITS THE NEW TREND AND ITS THE GREATEST INVENTION SINCE THE WHEEL,ITS LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND FINDING SOME MONEY AND SAYING ITS THEIRS CUZ THEY FOUND IT WHERE YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE LOOKED...I SEE ALOT OF THESE DUDES STEALING OUR STYLE AND BLOWING UP FROM IT AND THEY NOT PAYING HOMAGE TO WHOM THEY GOT IT FROM!!! SO IM ASKING YOU THE PEOPLE IN THE HIP HOP WORLD DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE... AND LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO A CHILDISH NAME CALLING SESSION,THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DEBATERS ONLY!!!
I like to hear niggas like Battlecat and DJ Quik using the talkbox cause they don't make it sound wack. i can't really fuck wit T Pain though. he's a Millie Vinillie type nigga to me.
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Nah man fuck t-pain lil fakeass ugly cat in the hat lookin ass muthafucka
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YEAH TALKBOX STARTED WITH ZAPP YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK OUT ZAPP AND MR.CAPONE-E ALBUM 2 CLASSIC ALBUMS FROM ZAPP AND MR.CAPONE-E... BUT, THE VOICE CODER FROM WHAT I FOUGHT OUT AND IS TRUE FINGAZZ AND MR.CAPONE-E CAME WITH THE IDEA BACK IN 2003 WHEN HE REALEASE THE ALBUM ALWAYS "N" FOREVER THERE IS A SONG CALLED "STRUGGLE" WHICH YOU CAN YOUTUBE IT...... MR.CAPONE-E AND HI POWER CAME TO FINGAZZ WITH A IDEA TO TRY A VOICE CODER WHICH IS USED ON OTHER TYPES OF MUSIC AND THAT MADE HISTORY FROM WHAT I HEARD BUT YEAH T-PAIN MADE IT BIG!! ALSO FINGAZZ WAS DOING TALK BOX FOR A WHILE THEY DID A SONG CALLED "CALI IN THE SUMMERTIME" FOR ROSCOE SO THERE IS SOME PEOPLE THAT DID IT BEFORE T-PAIN SO THE TRUTH IS HE IS NOT THE ORGINATOR BUT HE DID MAKE IT A HIT
Dawg, I know you must be a part of Mr. Capone-E's street team???? or are you his biggest fan???
eitherway, I can assure you that he did NOT invent, create, dream up or consider vocoder (voice coder) originally or even by himself..... he was not the first.....
The vocoder has existed in the form of a stomp box since the 1970's..... someone else said it earlier, don't you people pay attention.....
AND FOR THE LAST FUCKIN TIME, T-PAIN USES AUTO-TUNE, NOT VOCODER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE DID NOT STEAL ANYTHING FROM ROGER AND ZAPP BECAUSE HE IS USING A DIFFERENT FUCKIN' PROCESS!!!!!
AND EVEN STILL, THEY WEREN'T EVEN THE FIRST TO USE IT!!!!!!! GIVE IT UP PEOPLE...... LET THE MAN SHINE AND GO ON ABOUT YOUR DAY!
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LET THE MAN SHINE AND GO ON ABOUT YOUR DAY!
word,let the dude make a lame out of himself...and lol @ copone-e
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The problem is with everything else, use it in moderation. But everyone over does everything to the point everybody is sick of it in 6 months.
Yup!
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The first time I heard autotune was in E-40's in U and Dat Monkey song. Guess who was rocking with the autotune on that song (drumroll).... T-Pain! I liked the autotune thing he did on that song and I didn't expect autotune to spread like rabies. Today, rappers have no morals with using autotune. Every god damn idiot is using it which disgusts me. In my opinion U.S. government should start rationing the use of autotune. The best practice would be if they started granting licences for using autotune. Two or three autotune songs a year would be optimal. By rationing the use of autotune, people would no more need to use depression medicines and the same time the state would save significant amount of money on health care costs.
I AGREE!! LOL
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I agree T-pain definitely isn't the inventor of the voicecoder. It originates from Roger Troutmen and anybody who believe T-pain is the inventor needs to expand their musical mind.
It seems idiotic to say that T-pain should be the only person to use the voice coder as it would halt improvement in the use and effect of an instrument that, as we have seen from various other artists can be used to give new dimensions to records. I do agree with the consensus that it is over used in todays music industry.
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fuck t-pain
he killed hip-hop along wit lil wayne!
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fuck t-pain
he killed hip-hop along wit lil wayne!
True Dat
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you people are incredibly... I don't even know what the word is....
first of all T-Pain didn't kill Hip-Hop, if infact, anyone did.... it was people like you..... People who are so desperately tryin to put Hip-Hop in this little box and not let it grow into something new and wonderful..... No not T-Pain... you.... OWN YOUR RESPONSIBLITY!
AND ROGER TROUTMAN DID NOT INVENT THE VOCODER, HE SIMPLY WAS THE FIRST TO MAKE IT A POPULAR VOCAL INSTRUMENT.... JOE WALSH (A ROCK 'N ROLL GUY) USED A VOCODER IN THE FORM OF A STOMP BOX ON STAGE FOR HIS GUITAR.... THE VOCODER WAS ORIGINATED AS AN INSTRUMENT EFFECT, NOT A VOCAL EFFECT..... IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE SHIT, THEN GET OFF THE FUCKEN TOILET!
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T-Pain? Why are we talking about this. Someone should take a knife and behead T-Pain in front of his family and kids. T-Pain sucks, over use of auto-tune sucks, and it's destroying hiphop. It takes NO talent to digitally enhance your voice and repeat the same words over and over. Akon sucks, T-Pain really sucks, Kanye is starting to suck. Fuck this topic, fuck auto-tune, and lets all hope T-Pain dies very soon.
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T-Pain? Why are we talking about this. Someone should take a knife and behead T-Pain in front of his family and kids. T-Pain sucks, over use of auto-tune sucks, and it's destroying hiphop. It takes NO talent to digitally enhance your voice and repeat the same words over and over. Akon sucks, T-Pain really sucks, Kanye is starting to suck. Fuck this topic, fuck auto-tune, and lets all hope T-Pain dies very soon.
So Tell me King, Is ignorance really bliss? You seem to be the best person to ask!
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Someone with the calibur of maybe perhaps a Daz Dillinger could get a pass using it too.
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I'd whish T-Pain was the only one to use it, 'cause that shit sounds wack as a moh'fucker. But nah noone got the exclusive rights to it.. if so then the devoloper of the program he uses to make it should have this right, not T-Pain.. and yeah the way Roger uses it is way better then the way wack ass T-Pain uses it. So why not call out T-Pain to be the only one to use it 'cause he seems to be the only man to really like it.. other then that only the bitches love that shit.. so he can have it.
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you people are incredibly... I don't even know what the word is....
first of all T-Pain didn't kill Hip-Hop, if infact, anyone did.... it was people like you..... People who are so desperately tryin to put Hip-Hop in this little box and not let it grow into something new and wonderful..... No not T-Pain... you.... OWN YOUR RESPONSIBLITY!
AND ROGER TROUTMAN DID NOT INVENT THE VOCODER, HE SIMPLY WAS THE FIRST TO MAKE IT A POPULAR VOCAL INSTRUMENT.... JOE WALSH (A ROCK 'N ROLL GUY) USED A VOCODER IN THE FORM OF A STOMP BOX ON STAGE FOR HIS GUITAR.... THE VOCODER WAS ORIGINATED AS AN INSTRUMENT EFFECT, NOT A VOCAL EFFECT..... IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE SHIT, THEN GET OFF THE FUCKEN TOILET!
man some people on this board i dont think read half the posts before they post themselves on a subject, i wouldnt get too pissed off bout it,
i like reading your posts dude, you know your shit 8)