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The worlds of hip-hop and art collided when Kanye West threw a listening party for his new album 808s & Heartbreak on Tuesday night in Los Angeles. The event, a collaboration between Kanye and Italian artist Vanessa Beecroft, was unlike anything we’ve experienced before. After sipping on Veuve Clicquot and Moët, several hundred guests, including Jay-Z, will.i.am, Mos Def, Rick Ross, L.A. Reid, actor Jonah Hill, Sa-Ra’s Taz Arnold, and director Chris Robinson, were led upstairs into an open gallery space where 40-50 naked women stood against a blue light panel. At approximately 9:45 p.m., the lights went off and the spectacle began.
Blue, red, and yellow lights flashed across the giant panel as Kanye’s fourth studio album blasted through the speakers. Skinny, mixed race models, wearing nothing but black stiletto heels, posed through the entire 11 tracks. Some changed positions from time to time, sitting down, stretching, and performing other body contortions. The no photography rule was strictly enforced.
After the last track off 808s & Heartbreak played, the lights came up and Kanye appeared in a T-shirt and jeans. He went on to thank everyone for coming and expressed his gratitude to Beecroft for her hard work. He told the story of how he contacted the artist a week before the event. She said she listened to 808s and the album touched her “personal life” in a few ways. Kanye responded by saying he also felt touched by her work, referencing the naked women, which drew a laugh from the audience. We hear that the models were hired through an open casting call and reportedly paid $1000 each.
As rumored, the entire album is in Auto-Tune. Kanye launched into a speech about how much he loves using Auto-Tune and that lately the term has been associated with being “wack,” much to his dismay. “Never lose your childhood,” he told the crowd, explaining how he wanted to go back to feeling like a child, overwhelmed and carefree. Auto-Tune reminded him of those early days. As a kid, he thought the color pink was cool until someone told him “it was gay.” He then excitedly exclaimed, “Pink is better than blue!” ‘Ye expressed his admiration for T-Pain, saying “his light was so bright.” He further explained his belief that society and culture steal confidence and self-esteem from you when you’re a child. You’re born with it, but society takes it away. If he was 8 years old, he would have walked into a recording studio and told the engineer, “Give me Auto-Tune!” He officially declared it “the funnest thing to use.”
The album, which he completed over three weeks in Hawaii, is unlike anything Kanye has done. He happily classifies it as “pop” featuring heavy drums and pulsing electronic sounds. “People think pop is bad, but Michael Jackson was pop and who can compare to him?” Kanye asked, adding that he wants to categorize the album under “pop” in iTunes. Even though it was hard to make out lyrics over the booming system, we believe we heard Lil Wayne and Young Jeezy rapping on two tracks. The raw and revealing album puts Kanye on another level of artistry and a few strokes away from genius.
Responding to reviews, the Louis Vuitton Don said, “I don’t give a fuck if it’s hot or not, it’s from the heart… Would you judge a grandmother’s love? Give it two-and-a-half mics out of five?” Kanye said that he went to the Def Jam label heads and expressed how important it was that this album was released this year. He didn’t care if it wasn’t on the schedule or if they wanted a holiday push. He mentioned that he does have another album coming in June and he may be singing or rapping.
As the evening came to a close, the Chi-Town MC declared, “I’ve always been a fan of Vanessa’s work and strong imagery.” He liked the “idea of nudity because society told us to wear clothes at a certain point.” The night’s most poignant moment came when the rapper said, “The irony for me… I’ve talked about so many labels, Louis Vuitton this, Benz that… For me to lose the most important person to Hollywood.” He explained that the album’s closing track, “Coldest Winter,” is about his late mother, Donda West. According to him, the first ten tracks are about someone else who was close in his personal life, most likely ex-fiance Alexis Phifer.
“I don’t know if you noticed, but I don’t talk about any of that stuff on the album—no stuntin’, no flashin’, just real things.” And for one night, Kanye West bared all.
Here is a tracklisting for 808s & Heartbreak based off what we could make out. No official titles were announced so take this for what it is.
1. “Welcome to Heartbreak”
2. “Heartless”
3. “Love Lockdown”
4. “Robocop”
5. “The Wrong Thing”
6. “In the Streets”
7. Title unknown
• Alternating heavy drum and beeping sounds
• More singing, loud wailing noises
• Long extended instrumental ending with “ahhs” whispering over it
8. “Real Bad News”
9. “So Amazing” featuring Young Jeezy
• Uptempo
• “I’m a monster, I’m a killer.”
• Loud animal screams and howls like “Love Lockdown”
10. “That You Know” or “Tell Everybody” featuring Lil Wayne
• Harder rock vibe
• “Tell everybody that you know, that I don’t love you no mo’”
• “I’m back up on my grind.”
• Wayne’s verse: “Shit stink ’cause it’s pee-eww”
11. “Coldest Winter”
• “Goodbye my friends, will I ever love again?”
• “It’s pouring…it’s pouring.”
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Long shot: this album is going to be depressing / suicidal version of "The Love Below"?
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
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What's the title about?
As rumored, the entire album is in Auto-Tune.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :rubeyes:
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As rumored, the entire album is in Auto-Tune.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :rubeyes:
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Long shot: this album is going to be depressing / suicidal version of "The Love Below"?
LMAO! The love below is the first thing I thought about seein it...but then the "heartbreak" part does make it sound like it's gonna be hella sad.
I'm sure Andre's album will still be much better than this one, just because he was on some Prince shit.
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god damn... :-\
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the hook on that Heartless track is dope, just the verse is nasty
has the full track leaked yet?
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the hook on that Heartless track is dope, just the verse is nasty
has the full track leaked yet?
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I don't know about this one... I'll have to wait until it drops to judge it I guess
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the covers dope. kanye needs to snap outta that autotune shit.
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I wish the dude would focus more on the songs and tell us if they were good or not.
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im interested in his production...
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Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks[/b]
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
I don't know man. Pac did his in 7 days. However, the news doesn't sound very good. I guess it's just a wait and see.
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^he coulda had some shit ready in advance though, & put it together in 3 weeks...
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I can't wait.
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
we as fans want a rap album. hes trying to get that fake Wayne fanbase, with the autotune & shit. whatever, he's the only one in the game who can pull an album off like this. :-\
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"Heartless" in full but unmastered i believe
http://www.zshare.net/audio/20614334b605967b/
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"Heartless" in full but unmastered i believe
http://www.zshare.net/audio/20614334b605967b/
thank you very much sir! +1
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
i think your looking too much into it with the freedom stuff. ofcourse he can do it if he wants, but it doesn't mean that's a good enough reason to make such a poor decision.
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Autotune all the way? damn it i was looking forward to this album as well. But like that guy said, he can do what he wants. Consider this a non purchase for me.
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sure.. he wants to have fun with his autotune... let him.
i wont be buying it. if you can't sing - DONT. let john legend do the album, fuck off.
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
i think your looking too much into it with the freedom stuff. ofcourse he can do it if he wants, but it doesn't mean that's a good enough reason to make such a poor decision.
he got a point tho..what kanye eat dont make none of us shit...dont like it dont buy it or download it..
every artist take risk... i mean he took a risk speedin up samples like he did...if boys want a rap album...go back n listen to the ones he has...or its 900,000 other rappers...
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
we as fans want a rap album. hes trying to get that fake Wayne fanbase, with the autotune & shit. whatever, he's the only one in the game who can pull an album off like this. :-\
SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHO ARE YOU TO SPEAK FOR KANYE FANS, WHAT IF THEY WANT A POP ALBUM AND NOT A RAP ALBUM YOU STUPID FUCK FACE STUPID BITCH MOTHER FUCKER
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This is probably the first Kanye album I'm not buying.
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I have some quotes from the SOHH story that worry me
"West delivered a monologue about how this album is about the freedom to do what you want to do and that he used Auto-Tune because it is the most fun thing ever."
it's fun? u gotta be kidding me..this job is serious and although it is fun, u gotta make good music.. kanye + auto tune - average/shitty music
"If I wanna rap, I'll rap," he said. "If I wanna sing, I'll sing
your skill is rapping, stick to it..
Admitting that the album was put together in the time span of three weeks
3 weeks for a whole album? that can't be nothin' but bad news
why can't he do an album he wants to do? he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to make an album with all singing and autotune, then he should, becuase he can. if he wants to make a country album, go right ahead, this is america. it's all about doing what you want to do, fuck other people, i say more power to him. obviously he doesn't care what people think of him, or are even going to think of this album. and like the article says, he's got another album coming in june which is probably going to be rap so i think everyone needs to chill.
also, i don't think the album being done in 3 weeks is such a bad thing. obviously the man has tons of things on his mind, which is when you write the most and the best. sometimes being a perfectionist can be a bad thing.
we as fans want a rap album. hes trying to get that fake Wayne fanbase, with the autotune & shit. whatever, he's the only one in the game who can pull an album off like this. :-\
SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHO ARE YOU TO SPEAK FOR KANYE FANS, WHAT IF THEY WANT A POP ALBUM AND NOT A RAP ALBUM YOU STUPID FUCK FACE STUPID BITCH MOTHER FUCKER
i am a Kanye fan & if you actually read the posts of the other members, i am not the only one who wants a rap album. ;)
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checked for his first two albums, but haven't checked for anything since....this man went off the deep end and really I don't consider him just exclusively a hip-hop artist anymore....he's definitely blending genres now and creating something new that is more widely accepted by the white middle and upper class....it's not my thing, but i'm proud of that brutha for pushing the envelope musically and being an independent thinker and not bein afraud to be himself....
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This is probably the first Kanye album I'm not buying.
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this is going to be wierd
got damm Auto-Tune
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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO SMOKE BETTER WEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMOKE SOME KUSH AND THEN LISTEN TO THE SHIT...
I personally look forward to Kanye's new album... QUIT HATING ON AUTO-TUNE, FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR ENERGY, YOU ARE WASTING IT ON HATING....
Look, Auto-Tune to music is like Graphics processors to movies... if people didn't use them, we wouldn't have the Spider man Trilogy, and movies like Shrek...... Auto-Tune is an advancement in the way you hear sound, that's it.....
and look at it this way, had Kanye did the same song without Auto-Tune, you'd hate that even more than you hate Auto-Tune.... keep it real people....
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i would not liken 'autotune' to special effects in movies and i think its crap. if you wanna do an electronic voice you gotta do it the funky troutman voicebox way 8)
everyone to their own though.
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i would not liken 'autotune' to special effects in movies and i think its crap. if you wanna do an electronic voice you gotta do it the funky troutman voicebox way 8)
everyone to their own though.
Before we even get into this conversation, how much do you know about music theory? Engineering???? because I can't reason with a brick wall.....
Auto-Tune is a brilliantly written program, and performs MANY other functions besides the "T-Pain" affect.... INFACT, many of your favorite rappers still use auto-tune on their vocals, but they are not using it the same way.... Check thy Self before Ye Wreck Thy Self.....
And if you want to get super techincal.... there are MANY MANY MANY different ways to generate digital voices, and many different "vocoders" and modulation effects.....
and all you people hating on Auto-Tune, would you all of a sudden be happy if you found out it was an actual vocoder? or would you just find somethin new to hate on????? think about it and get back to me...
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it doesn't matter how great it is technically i don't like the sound of most of the effect on all these t-pain and now kanye records. i don't understand why the technical aspects are that important when i say that the end result doesn't sound pleasing to me.
i'd like to hear all the reasons for your appreciation of it though. break it down for a brick wall.
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honestly, i am anticipating this. i wanna hear the whole album though. i love when an album like goes real smooth & sounds like an album. i dont want 3 other tracks to leak. i wanna be surprized on the day it comes out.
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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO SMOKE BETTER WEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMOKE SOME KUSH AND THEN LISTEN TO THE SHIT...
I personally look forward to Kanye's new album... QUIT HATING ON AUTO-TUNE, FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR ENERGY, YOU ARE WASTING IT ON HATING....
Look, Auto-Tune to music is like Graphics processors to movies... if people didn't use them, we wouldn't have the Spider man Trilogy, and movies like Shrek...... Auto-Tune is an advancement in the way you hear sound, that's it.....
and look at it this way, had Kanye did the same song without Auto-Tune, you'd hate that even more than you hate Auto-Tune.... keep it real people....
i agree..
plus he does rap on the album...
somebody usin auto-tune.'s album...rydin down the freeway...with a a-1 system... 2nd to none..
ion see what the problem is...back in the gap... people hated on the talk box..same way they hatin on auto tune
hate comes in cycles...
weird boyz can listen to a roger album..but cant stomach a kanye album..
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How good can a listening party be when you cant make out the tracks
"Even though it was hard to make out lyrics over the booming system, we believe we heard Lil Wayne and Young Jeezy rapping on two tracks"
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album could be dope, Heartless is growing on me
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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO SMOKE BETTER WEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMOKE SOME KUSH AND THEN LISTEN TO THE SHIT...
On the real, we shouldn't have to TRY to like something... why smoke up and listen to kanye in an attempt to like it when you know theres other stuff you would like even more blazed?
I personally look forward to Kanye's new album... QUIT HATING ON AUTO-TUNE, FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR ENERGY, YOU ARE WASTING IT ON HATING....
Look, Auto-Tune to music is like Graphics processors to movies... if people didn't use them, we wouldn't have the Spider man Trilogy, and movies like Shrek...... Auto-Tune is an advancement in the way you hear sound, that's it.....
Nah. Autotune is a replacement for talent. CG lets the studios do things that jus wouldn't be possible without them. Not to mention that CG is always getting closer and closer to real life, while autotune always [the way its used nowadays...] has the ripples in rappers voices and the robot effect. If Kanye used autotune like it was intended (and how he's used it on other albums...) - he would sound normal, people would be none the wiser, and the music would be better.
and look at it this way, had Kanye did the same song without Auto-Tune, you'd hate that even more than you hate Auto-Tune.... keep it real people....
Nah man. Kanye used autotune on Hey Mama, Spaceship, and Southside - and he sounded great. The problem isn't inherently with autotune. It's a good tool for people, its just that the way T-Pain and the people he influenced use it sounds wack
weird boyz can listen to a roger album..but cant stomach a kanye album..[/color][/b]
Different strokes, different sounds. I'll probably never tire of talkbox - I loved it even before I knew what it was. I still remember the first time I heard T-Pain on his autotune kick, though... not the same effect. Some peope can still rock it right (Pain... Kanye did on Put On), but its way too overused right now.
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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO SMOKE BETTER WEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMOKE SOME KUSH AND THEN LISTEN TO THE SHIT...
On the real, we shouldn't have to TRY to like something... why smoke up and listen to kanye in an attempt to like it when you know theres other stuff you would like even more blazed?
Ummm, Buddy, that's the way it was written!!!!!!!!!! You know the rumors about people in the music industry doin drugs.... it's true.... YUP!
I personally look forward to Kanye's new album... QUIT HATING ON AUTO-TUNE, FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR ENERGY, YOU ARE WASTING IT ON HATING....
Look, Auto-Tune to music is like Graphics processors to movies... if people didn't use them, we wouldn't have the Spider man Trilogy, and movies like Shrek...... Auto-Tune is an advancement in the way you hear sound, that's it.....
Nah. Autotune is a replacement for talent. CG lets the studios do things that jus wouldn't be possible without them. Not to mention that CG is always getting closer and closer to real life, while autotune always [the way its used nowadays...] has the ripples in rappers voices and the robot effect. If Kanye used autotune like it was intended (and how he's used it on other albums...) - he would sound normal, people would be none the wiser, and the music would be better. [/quote]
I can't argue wit this one, your opinion is your opinion...... I still don't think Auto-Tune is a replacement for talent....
T-Pain, WRITES, PRODUCES, AND ENGINEERS his own shit... you might not like they guy's music, but you CAN NOT tell me he doesn't have talent..... I'd like to see you do half of what he does....
and look at it this way, had Kanye did the same song without Auto-Tune, you'd hate that even more than you hate Auto-Tune.... keep it real people....
Nah man. Kanye used autotune on Hey Mama, Spaceship, and Southside - and he sounded great. The problem isn't inherently with autotune. It's a good tool for people, its just that the way T-Pain and the people he influenced use it sounds wack[/quote]
Again, your Opinion, whatever, as long as you hate the sound because you hate the sound.... a lotta these people say they can't stand T-Pain/Kanye/Wayne, but I bet half of them walk around singing the songs..... KEEP IT REAL!
weird boyz can listen to a roger album..but cant stomach a kanye album..[/color][/b]
Different strokes, different sounds. I'll probably never tire of talkbox - I loved it even before I knew what it was. I still remember the first time I heard T-Pain on his autotune kick, though... not the same effect. Some peope can still rock it right (Pain... Kanye did on Put On), but its way too overused right now.
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Granted, some songs do not sound good in Auto-Tune, that's more user error than anything else.... it's a great program, and even with T-Pain's settings, it's a great affect that is DIFFERENT FROM A TALK BOX.... Most folks hate on it because they feel like Auto-Tune is cheating.... That's the type of bullshit that makes me say "you people need to smoke better weed" if you just don't like the sounds, you just don't.... but if you don't like the sound because you think it's overused (not paying attention to the particular song), or because it's cheating on the old school sound (even though it sounds different) or simply because the last song you heard used it, then you need to slap yourself in the forehead!!!!!
Judge the music on it's strengths alone, not against the last song you just heard.....
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god damn... :-\