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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Doggystylin on November 13, 2008, 11:24:39 PM
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There's a good chance the Lakers are winning the next 5 championships. I met Laker forward Trevor Ariza's cousin on the bus and he really put me up on the game. Lakers are the greatest team to ever play. 82-0 is a possibility, mon!
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You're jumping the gun. 82-0 Let's be serious. 5 champions? They had there opportunity to do that from 1999-2004 and missed it. And as far has Kobe>MJ, I don't see how 7 games into this season shows that. Now that Kobe has some talent surrounding him that is somewhat comparable to Jordan's Bulls, we can see just how far Kobe can go. So to sum it all up, wait till the end of the season.
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You tell me to be patient, but I might tell you the same. Be patient and wait for the Los Angeles Lakers to revive the NBA and the game of basketball as we know it. It goes along with Obama's victory, the American economy restorance, and the rise of Hip-Hop.
Phil Jackson has always been on top of things. In the 90s with Jordan and the Bulls, with the threepeat era, Shaq and Kobe's spectalur ruling class. The NBA is coming back with Kobe and Phil Jackson. Just wait and see, mon.
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everyone needs to just relax, please
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I met Laker forward Trevor Ariza's cousin on the bus and he really put me up on the game.
AH! He put you on the game ::)
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I agree with the homie Infinite. 8)
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This really could end up being the greatest team ever.
Kobe = Jordan
no more > or <
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Relax, it's too early. We're the best team in the League, but it doesn't mean we already have the ring.
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Way more help than Jordan had with his teams. Jordan > Kobe still.
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everyone needs to just relax, please
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lol they got enough competition, they won't make it to 82-0. Maybe 60+ victories
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There's a good chance the Lakers are winning the next 5 championships. I met Laker forward Trevor Ariza's cousin on the bus and he really put me up on the game. Lakers are the greatest team to ever play. 82-0 is a possibility, mon!
did you get bit by a mosquito over there in Africa?
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HAHAHA! I think after watching Pierce dominate Kobe in the Finals last year we all saw that Kobe is not even close to MJ
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Way more help than Jordan had with his teams. Jordan > Kobe still.
I dunno about that one, son...the threepeat Bulls teams were compiled to perfection, as the current Laker team is. Jordan had Pippen initiating and locking muthafuckaz down on the perimeter, while Rodman was grabbing every rebound in sight. They played a TEAM game and Phil ran it to perfection, which is what he's doing now... you can't really claim Kobe has "way more" help...not by a long shot...PeACe
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HAHAHA! I think after watching Pierce dominate Kobe in the Finals last year we all saw that Kobe is not even close to MJ
WTF are you talking about? If the Laker role players stepped up and played their part the way the role players of the 3peat Bulls did, then the Lakers woulda' won the ring last season...basketball is not a game of 1-on-1, it's a TEAM effort. Haven't you learned this by now? Try to make sense when you speak.
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HAHAHA! I think after watching Pierce dominate Kobe in the Finals last year we all saw that Kobe is not even close to MJ
What the fuck are you talking about? Pierce dominated Radmanovic. Him and Kobe didn't spend much time on each other, which was a disappointment cuz they're my 2 favorite players. Stop hanging out with Hack Wilson dude.
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Fuck out of here with your thread .. these are threads like this who ruin this section ... these insert player>>> insert player are going WAY too far ... what's next Lakers towels boy >>> Celtics one ?
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already with the bullshit Jordan comparisons that hold no weight no matter how you slice it?
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^the comparisons will never die, soley because they do hold weight...sorry, bowie boy. :-*
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82-0 is a possibility, mon!
:)
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Kobe will never be on the same level as MJ was. The finals last year proved that!
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^^^^Well I still think MJ is better than Kobe no doubt but MJ never faced a great defensive team like Boston in the Finals ... back in the day the rules did not allow to play some "crowded zone type of D" therefore MJ has always been able to play one on one B-Ball ... each time Kobe wanted to drive or began his offensive moves , there was 2-3 Cetics around him .... Kobe did not play well besides Game 3 but Boston D was amazing last season top 5 in these latest 20 years without a doubt ..
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LMAO, Jordan never got molested in the finals like Kobe. How quickly people forget recent history. Jordan's first 3 rings were with a FAR less talented supporting staff than anything Kobe ever won a ship with.
This debate is so retarded...Jordan is so much more highly decorated than Kobe at this point. MAYBE Kobe will win 4 more ships, rack up a bunch of MVP's, etc. Then you could have a legit debate.
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the Bulls just won 55 Games after Jordan 1st retirement and lost in 7 Games to the Knicks in the Semi Finals ... Pippen was much better than any current Lakers player not named Kobe ... last time I checked , Jordan with little help , he was swept by the Pistons .. y'all say that Lakers fans say stupid shit , yes some definetely are but this is not a reason to do the same ... yes Jordan has accomplished way more things than Kobe , but y'all act like Kobe shocked against Suns D .... Boston made any perimeter superstar looks like shit all season long .... Lebron shot 35 percent in that Cavs- Cs series.... Kobe averages 30 a game on 50 % FG against the Spurs who were a very good D team , Boston D was just flat out amazing
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But at least LBJ showed up in the elimination game, instead of allowing his team to get beat by 30 or whatever. Kobe, like that one game 7 against the SUns, merely gave up...............which is why HE IS NOT JORDAN. Is he as talented as Jordan? DEFINITELY----------but fact is, Jordan never went out in finals game like that.
Kobe still has ALOT to do to get on Jordan's level as far as acoomplishments go, and isn't that what sports is all about? Not potential or ability, but RESULTS. 6 finals MVP's, 6 championships as leader means Jordan is still WAY ahead.
The comparisons do hold weight, but its still not that close..........
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Lebron did have a way better game indeed .... I just take him as an example to show how Boston D was great ... my whole point is when people here will understand than praisin one player or another doesn't take anything from the others ... all these this one is better than this one is getting ridiculous , especially when nobody is arguing and is turning against a Lakers fans against others BS .... Imo Jordan is the greatest , it doesn't mean Kobe is the worst
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this thread is silly
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^the comparisons will never die, soley because they do hold weight...sorry, bowie boy. :-*
Right, because Laker homers are definitely objective observers capable of rational analysis. When Kobe leads a team to 6 rings, then make the comparison.
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iunno if this been posted yet, but....
Seasons
MJ 13 (of eligibility) Kobe 11
NBA Championships
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 3 (in 5 Finals)
NBA Finals MVPs
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 0 (in 5 Finals)
Season MVPs
MJ 5 Kobe 1
Defensive Player of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
All-NBA First Team
MJ 10 Kobe 5
All-Defensive First Team
MJ 9 Kobe 5
Rookie of the Year
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Rookie First Team
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Star
MJ 14 Kobe 10
All-Star Game MVPs
MJ 3 Kobe 2
Scoring Titles
MJ 10 Kobe 2
Steals Titles
MJ 3 Kobe 0
Top 10 in League in Assists
MJ 1 Kobe 0
NBA records held alone
MJ 61 Kobe 0
NBA records held (may be shared)
MJ 69 Kobe 5
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
Olympic Gold Medals
MJ 2 Kobe 1
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in points per game and #3 all-time in points. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 10 all-time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #34 all-time in assists and #74 all-time in assists per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 100 all-time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is #3 all-time in rebounds and rebounds per game by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson). Kobe Bryant is not remotely close.
Michael Jordan is #2 all-time in steals and #4 all-time in steals per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 50 all-time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in blocks and blocks per game by a guard. Kobe Bryant is not remotely close
Nonetheless, Kobe is still a work in progress and he can catch or surpass Jordan in some of the categories i.e allstar games played/mvp. But Kobe won't come close to Jordan in Rebounding, Steals, Assists, the other 'team' components beside just scoring.
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iunno if this been posted yet, but....
Seasons
MJ 13 (of eligibility) Kobe 11
NBA Championships
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 3 (in 5 Finals)
NBA Finals MVPs
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 0 (in 5 Finals)
Season MVPs
MJ 5 Kobe 1
Defensive Player of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
All-NBA First Team
MJ 10 Kobe 5
All-Defensive First Team
MJ 9 Kobe 5
Rookie of the Year
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Rookie First Team
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Star
MJ 14 Kobe 10
All-Star Game MVPs
MJ 3 Kobe 2
Scoring Titles
MJ 10 Kobe 2
Steals Titles
MJ 3 Kobe 0
Top 10 in League in Assists
MJ 1 Kobe 0
NBA records held alone
MJ 61 Kobe 0
NBA records held (may be shared)
MJ 69 Kobe 5
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
Olympic Gold Medals
MJ 2 Kobe 1
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in points per game and #3 all-time in points. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 10 all-time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #34 all-time in assists and #74 all-time in assists per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 100 all-time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is #3 all-time in rebounds and rebounds per game by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson). Kobe Bryant is not remotely close.
Michael Jordan is #2 all-time in steals and #4 all-time in steals per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 50 all-time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in blocks and blocks per game by a guard. Kobe Bryant is not remotely close
Nonetheless, Kobe is still a work in progress and he can catch or surpass Jordan in some of the categories i.e allstar games played/mvp. But Kobe won't come close to Jordan in Rebounding, Steals, Assists, the other 'team' components beside just scoring.
*sarcasm on* Oh c'mon anyone can post up numbers and stats and actual stats. What does that actually mean ? It means nothing anyone can post up facts on a message board it means nothing.
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iunno if this been posted yet, but....
Seasons
MJ 13 (of eligibility) Kobe 11
NBA Championships
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 3 (in 5 Finals)
NBA Finals MVPs
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 0 (in 5 Finals)
Season MVPs
MJ 5 Kobe 1
Defensive Player of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
All-NBA First Team
MJ 10 Kobe 5
All-Defensive First Team
MJ 9 Kobe 5
Rookie of the Year
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Rookie First Team
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Star
MJ 14 Kobe 10
All-Star Game MVPs
MJ 3 Kobe 2
Scoring Titles
MJ 10 Kobe 2
Steals Titles
MJ 3 Kobe 0
Top 10 in League in Assists
MJ 1 Kobe 0
NBA records held alone
MJ 61 Kobe 0
NBA records held (may be shared)
MJ 69 Kobe 5
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
Olympic Gold Medals
MJ 2 Kobe 1
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in points per game and #3 all-time in points. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 10 all-time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #34 all-time in assists and #74 all-time in assists per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 100 all-time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is #3 all-time in rebounds and rebounds per game by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson). Kobe Bryant is not remotely close.
Michael Jordan is #2 all-time in steals and #4 all-time in steals per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 50 all-time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in blocks and blocks per game by a guard. Kobe Bryant is not remotely close
Nonetheless, Kobe is still a work in progress and he can catch or surpass Jordan in some of the categories i.e allstar games played/mvp. But Kobe won't come close to Jordan in Rebounding, Steals, Assists, the other 'team' components beside just scoring.
'nuff said ;)
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"I hate to break it to you but numbers ALWAYS lie" - Joe Budden
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"Numbers don't lie, unless we do Bush and Gore over" - Immortal Technique
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
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LMAO, Jordan never got molested in the finals like Kobe. How quickly people forget recent history. Jordan's first 3 rings were with a FAR less talented supporting staff than anything Kobe ever won a ship with.
This debate is so retarded...Jordan is so much more highly decorated than Kobe at this point. MAYBE Kobe will win 4 more ships, rack up a bunch of MVP's, etc. Then you could have a legit debate.
WTF are you talking about? Jordan's teammates never let him down in the Finals...What if Paxson and Kerr woulda missed those big shots? Jordan would be nowhere without his role players on top of their game. Also, he was never forced to play without the 2nd best player on the team and best defensive stopper. Make sense. :-*
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But at least LBJ showed up in the elimination game, instead of allowing his team to get beat by 30 or whatever. Kobe, like that one game 7 against the SUns, merely gave up...............which is why HE IS NOT JORDAN. Is he as talented as Jordan? DEFINITELY----------but fact is, Jordan never went out in finals game like that.
Kobe still has ALOT to do to get on Jordan's level as far as acoomplishments go, and isn't that what sports is all about? Not potential or ability, but RESULTS. 6 finals MVP's, 6 championships as leader means Jordan is still WAY ahead.
The comparisons do hold weight, but its still not that close..........
Jordan woulda never even been in the Finals with his 2nd best player injured!
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iunno if this been posted yet, but....
Seasons
MJ 13 (of eligibility) Kobe 11
NBA Championships
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 3 (in 5 Finals)
NBA Finals MVPs
MJ 6 (in 6 Finals) Kobe 0 (in 5 Finals)
Season MVPs
MJ 5 Kobe 1
Defensive Player of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
All-NBA First Team
MJ 10 Kobe 5
All-Defensive First Team
MJ 9 Kobe 5
Rookie of the Year
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Rookie First Team
MJ YES Kobe NO
All-Star
MJ 14 Kobe 10
All-Star Game MVPs
MJ 3 Kobe 2
Scoring Titles
MJ 10 Kobe 2
Steals Titles
MJ 3 Kobe 0
Top 10 in League in Assists
MJ 1 Kobe 0
NBA records held alone
MJ 61 Kobe 0
NBA records held (may be shared)
MJ 69 Kobe 5
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year
MJ 1 Kobe 0
Olympic Gold Medals
MJ 2 Kobe 1
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in points per game and #3 all-time in points. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 10 all-time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #34 all-time in assists and #74 all-time in assists per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 100 all-time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is #3 all-time in rebounds and rebounds per game by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson). Kobe Bryant is not remotely close.
Michael Jordan is #2 all-time in steals and #4 all-time in steals per game. Kobe Bryant is not in the top 50 all-time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all-time in blocks and blocks per game by a guard. Kobe Bryant is not remotely close
Nonetheless, Kobe is still a work in progress and he can catch or surpass Jordan in some of the categories i.e allstar games played/mvp. But Kobe won't come close to Jordan in Rebounding, Steals, Assists, the other 'team' components beside just scoring.
what do these numbers have ANYTHING to do with how good these players play in their prime? LOL.
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NI<K, don't use the second best player argument, because it was you who was guaranteeing a win in the finals, right?
And accomplishments DO matter, numbers do matter.........
look at things objectively, and you can see its Jordan way ahead of Kobe for now. Kobe at his very best is close to Jordan, but it will be damn near impossible for Kobe to reach Jordan's level for his career. And really, when players are done, we look at them at how they played over their career......not for the so-called "prime" seasons. Of course, take Jordan's four best seasons and put them against Kobe's, and its still not close......
Of course, Kobe's prime is still TBA...............last year's finals loss was not a great way to start his case for greatest ever. Of course, I don't think even Kobe is as concerned about his legace as his fans are........
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MJ over Kobe any day
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NI<K, don't use the second best player argument, because it was you who was guaranteeing a win in the finals, right?
And accomplishments DO matter, numbers do matter.........
look at things objectively, and you can see its Jordan way ahead of Kobe for now. Kobe at his very best is close to Jordan, but it will be damn near impossible for Kobe to reach Jordan's level for his career. And really, when players are done, we look at them at how they played over their career......not for the so-called "prime" seasons. Of course, take Jordan's four best seasons and put them against Kobe's, and its still not close......
Of course, Kobe's prime is still TBA...............last year's finals loss was not a great way to start his case for greatest ever. Of course, I don't think even Kobe is as concerned about his legace as his fans are........
You're right...Kobe's not concerned because he already knows he's better than Jordan. He knows there's nothing he can't do on the basketball court, so he aint trippin. Sure, I said the Lakers would beat Boston based on how poorly Boston played and how great the Lakers looked...that doesn't take away from us playing without our starting center and 2nd most important guy on the squad, does it? Lets make sense of shit...Jordan has lost big games, even in his prime. While it may not have looked as bad as last year in the Finals, Jordan ALWAYS had his partner, Scottie Pippen, by his side. If accomplishments were what was used to determin GOAT, then Bill Russell is the GOAT...you get my drift? Kobe's career is not even close to being finished...at this age, Kobe has collected more rings than Jordan. We'll see what's up when Kobe's career comes to an end...PeACe
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
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Those numbers do lie. Theres a lot of shit you have to factor in, mainly that Kobe is still playing and in his prime...
Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
C'mon NIK I'm disappointed you can do much better.
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
C'mon NIK I'm disappointed you can do much better.
do what better, hicky?
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
C'mon NIK I'm disappointed you can do much better.
do what better, hicky?
relying on material from before you hit puberty
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
C'mon NIK I'm disappointed you can do much better.
do what better, hicky?
relying on material from before you hit puberty
material? I really don't know what you're saying, tommyboy. as long as it makes you feel better.
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Jordan >>> the rapist
Call me back when that joke is done dying...
I wish I was joking but if he wasn't Kobe Bryant he would be locked up right now.
if he wasn't kobe bryant he woulda never been accused...i swear, all you damn hicks think the same.
Yea your probably right. He would of never been in Colorado and would of raped some other poor girl that would of been too afraid to say anything.
lynch that nigger!
damn rednecks.
I'm not the one that idolizes a rapist
but your neck is still red.
Nah It's 45 degrees and cloudy out and I have a job in an office so I dont see how my neck would be red. Ya need to step your game up.
typical hick response...
C'mon NIK I'm disappointed you can do much better.
do what better, hicky?
relying on material from before you hit puberty
material? I really don't know what you're saying, tommyboy. as long as it makes you feel better.
ya fell off man
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thats like sayn mike mussina's better than greg maddux!
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thats like sayn mike mussina's better than greg maddux!
but if you compare stats thats not fair. Because stats can help give you an idea of who the better pitcher is.
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thats like sayn mike mussina's better than greg maddux!
but if you compare stats thats not fair. Because stats can help give you an idea of who the better pitcher is.
kobe looks like Moose and MJ is like Maddux
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
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thats like sayn mike mussina's better than greg maddux!
but if you compare stats thats not fair. Because stats can help give you an idea of who the better pitcher is.
kobe looks like Moose and MJ is like Maddux
Yea but does that really count. Sure anyone can watch both of them play and compare stats and accomplishments but what does that really prove ?
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thats the exact same as say'n kobe > mj
or "Hines Ward > Randy Moss"
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
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what do these numbers have ANYTHING to do with how good these players play in their prime? LOL.
Just posting facts. LOL
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^^^^^^^^^ Exactly man....numbers dont mean everything, but they mean a lot more than one obsessed fan's OPINION.
Its all about results, and Jordan has the best ever combination of individual and team accomplishments. When Kobe's career is done, we will talk. I suspect Kobe will have 5 titles, 2 finals mvps, and be the all-time leading scorer(although we all know LBJ will take that one from him).........but Kobe will NEVER challenge how good Jordan was all around, steals, assists, blocks, shooting percentage, pointes per game, finals mvp's, etc etc. BUt it will be CLOSE in comparing them, just like it will be close in comparing Lebron and Shaq.
You know what would be fucking insane? If Lebron had a monster like Shaq to play with when he entered the league----------sure, LBJ wouldn't hav scored close to as much, but can you imagine his assist game. All LEbron needs is a true accomplice and its over OVER
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My first post in this thread was not supposed to rile anyone up, but don't get me wrong, if Kobe stays healthy, he will match and or surpass Jordan in a fair no. of the categories, no doubt. Statistically, he is definately on pace to.
But the retardness in this thread is absurd, people who don't support Kobe are seen as "lynching red necks" LOL aren't those lynching rednecks supporting Jordan? LOL not Larry Bird, dumbfuck.
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^you completely missed the point of the redneck comment, LOL...the only people who actually think Kobe raped that money hungry trick in Colorado are the old school white pride hicks who hate black people...Tom is already known for being a hick on this site from way back, hence my comments...PeaCe
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
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Elior, call Paul, he has some news for you.
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Elior, call Paul, he has some news for you.
hey...paul has a strong back...
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
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Kobe>Jesus
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
He quit b/c his gambling problem got his dad killed. You think he quit b/c he didn't want to play anymore you are out of your fucking mind.
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^Indeed. Nik showed zero class with that statement. How bout killing Kobe's family and see if he responds with a couple Finals MVP trophies.
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
He quit b/c his gambling problem got his dad killed. You think he quit b/c he didn't want to play anymore you are out of your fucking mind.
What??? His gambling problem had nothing to do with his dad's death.
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
He quit b/c his gambling problem got his dad killed. You think he quit b/c he didn't want to play anymore you are out of your fucking mind.
What??? His gambling problem had nothing to do with his dad's death.
i thought 2 teenagers killed his dad?
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^Indeed. Nik showed zero class with that statement. How bout killing Kobe's family and see if he responds with a couple Finals MVP trophies.
Zero class? Jordan HIMSELF said he quit because he lost motivation to play the game...I can only go by what he says. You following me around into threads because you disagree with my opinions is the only thing classless.
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
He quit b/c his gambling problem got his dad killed. You think he quit b/c he didn't want to play anymore you are out of your fucking mind.
What??? His gambling problem had nothing to do with his dad's death.
Tom is not too bright...haven't you been on this site long enough to realize that?
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Could we please back talking about the topic?
MJ is still > Kobe, imho. Best defender, best leader, best influence on his teammates. There's no need to make kilometric posts.
you really buy into that best leader and best influence crap? why? lobe is just as much a leader to his teammates and just as influential to their game...jordan was a great leader, but lets not forget, dude was punching out teammates in practice. nothing i've seen tells me mj was the "best leader". that title goes to magic johnson, regardless.
Jordan used to give it all during pratice. Everybody knows that. It was an hell for teammates who didn't respect that and who didn't give it all too. Jordan was competitive, as much as Kobe. But he wanted pratice to be even better than games. That's why sometimes he went crazy and he punched out teammates. It was not him acting like a moron and dissing his own teammates or punching them out for the simple reason he knew he was the best player in the team and that he had the "keys" of the team. No. It was just Jordan being aggressive like usual ON THE COURT (even in pratice). And that "fire" was contagious to other people. Shit, even Tony Kukoc started to play better with Jordan dissing him and motivating him. Even Rodman gave it all on the floor, instead of being mr. troublesome like usual. That's leadership. It's willing to win. Obviously he was lucky to have a great supporting cast. Harper was great. Pippen was amazing. Phil Jackson was the best coach in the League. Etc.. but they all respected his leadership, including Pippen, who was probably the 2nd best player in the NBA (like Kobe was with Shaq). Kobe is starting to be a good leader too, expecially since the Lakers have a very young roster, and Kobe is the veteran of the team. He's the player with more NBA seasons behind him in Lakers roster, so he understood that, and he's acting like a mature man.
But other than that, Jordan was a better defender, a true winner, and his 6-0 record speaks for himself. Kobe still has a lot of things to do to be better than him, honestly. It's still possible, don't get me wrong. He's still 30. We will see. But right now, if i have to chose one, i chose Jordan.
you're telling me all this shit as if i don't know it...LOL. if Jordan was the slightly better defender, you can definitely say Kobe's the better shooter and has a wider offensive arsenal than Jordan did. That more than balances it out, and Kobe's always All-NBA Defense without a fucking Scottie Pippen to lock down players on the perimeter, so fuck that. I really don't think Jordan woulda led last years Lakers to the Finals without Bynum and Ariza...PeACe
If you know it why you write Jordan punched out teammates like it was a negative thing? Anyway Jordan (still) > Kobe, that's my opinion.
That's unfair...I think if you put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe woulda never taken years off for baseball). Don't you think? Jordan punching teammates out WAS negative. LOL. Sure, his intensity was great for the team, but sometimes he was TOO intense. Jordan wasn't flawless like the common image of him will have you believe. I dunno, I think you feed a little too much into what the general perception has you believe...PeACe
Don't "think" too hard NIK.........I mean, how you can say Kobe with the Bulls would've won 8 chips is straight up ridiculous. How the fuck do we really know that? Dude has ZERO MVP'S in the finals, so you can't really justplug him in Jordan's spot and say they would've been even better. Kobe, believe it or not, has yet to prove himself in the finals as the number one option
How is that ridiculous? You think Michael Jordan single handedly made those Bulls? Kobe has more skill AND drive than Jordan did. He woulda been THRILLED to keep winning titles, unlike Jordan, who quit after his first threepeat. Just because Kobe was placed in a situation where he had to play with a demanding ball-dominant big, doesn't mean he deserves less credit. Kobe has proved himself these past couple years by taking sub-par squads deeper than anyone imagined possible...If he were placed in Jordan's shoes, best believe he'd have his share of Finals MVP's by now...PeACe
He quit b/c his gambling problem got his dad killed. You think he quit b/c he didn't want to play anymore you are out of your fucking mind.
What??? His gambling problem had nothing to do with his dad's death.
Tom is not too bright...haven't you been on this site long enough to realize that?
How would you know I'm not bright when you Kobe's dick so far down your throat ?
Jordan >>> kobe, deal with it.
Shaq's importance to the Lakers championship run >>> Bean the rapist
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^Laker fans are blessed to have to "deal" with Kobe's greatness?
Bulls suck...deal with that.
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Bulls suck...deal with that.
I know shit happens at least I had the 90's. Notice how NIK didn't deny having Kobe's dick down his throat. Dont worry NIK keep reaching for that dream.
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^Indeed. Nik showed zero class with that statement. How bout killing Kobe's family and see if he responds with a couple Finals MVP trophies.
Zero class? Jordan HIMSELF said he quit because he lost motivation to play the game...I can only go by what he says. You following me around into threads because you disagree with my opinions is the only thing classless.
LMAO, me following you around in threads? I post in basketball threads all the time. LOL... that's some blatant narcism of yours if you really think I'm following you. I'm just not as elaborate and I don't argue as I used to, cause there's no merit in it... it's the same shit over and over...
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Bulls suck...deal with that.
I know shit happens at least I had the 90's. Notice how NIK didn't deny having Kobe's dick down his throat. Dont worry NIK keep reaching for that dream.
what does you not being bright have to do with kobe's dick, you damn faggot?...either quit exposing yourself or move to Santa Monica.
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^Indeed. Nik showed zero class with that statement. How bout killing Kobe's family and see if he responds with a couple Finals MVP trophies.
Zero class? Jordan HIMSELF said he quit because he lost motivation to play the game...I can only go by what he says. You following me around into threads because you disagree with my opinions is the only thing classless.
LMAO, me following you around in threads? I post in basketball threads all the time. LOL... that's some blatant narcism of yours if you really think I'm following you. I'm just not as elaborate and I don't argue as I used to, cause there's no merit in it... it's the same shit over and over...
You might not follow me into the thread, but because my opinions are so different than yours, your automatic instinct is to attack or attempt to talk shit. Either way, it failed. You quoted Tom, which is one of the dumbest things you can do on this site...PeACe