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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 16, 2008, 06:22:46 PM
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Dwight Howard tonight=4 points (0-3 FG), 7 rebounds
Dwight Howard is a muthafuckin beast, no doubt...but he's not the saviour of big men, like some will have you believe. Dude needs to develop his game a whole lot more before he gets treated like the top big in the league...that title is up for grabs, but Dwight is just as in the race as anyone else...PeACe
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Kobe had like 8 points in a finals game, but hes not overrated, right?
ill admit, he can make some improvements, but to call him overrated because of one bad night just isnt right...
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yeah, he'll never be on Bynum's level.
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The game has changed and big men aren't as important as they once were, nor are there as many quality big men as there once was. Howard, Amare, etc, are nowhere even close to Shaq in his prime, but these dudes are good.
Everyone has an off night- NIK, don't you understand Orlando's offense? Its because his teammates sucked that he had a shitty night, Howard still played amazing- also, numbers don't mean shit in this case, ok?
Turf Fitta is right though, none of these guys. especially Howard with his consistency (one bad game this year) comes even close to Bynum.........
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
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The game has changed and big men aren't as important as they once were, nor are there as many quality big men as there once was.
I don't know about that. 9 of the last 10 teams to win the championship had a dominate big men.
(1) Boston - KG
(4) San Antonio - Duncan
(1) Miami - Shaq
(1) Pistons - N/A Though Ben Wallace was as good as
(3) Lakers - Shaq
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Lol one bad game and you had to run and make a post huh? Where were you when he put up 30/19 and 10 blocks the other night?
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Lol one bad game and you had to run and make a post huh? Where were you when he put up 30/19 and 10 blocks the other night?
Yeah NIK was a good poster back in the day but now he is just straight comedy. He is so biased that he has lost sense of reality
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^I posted in that thread, dumbfucks.
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
I prefer the way Bynum was playing before he got injured to how Dwight plays...Bynums potential to be a great big seems much higher than Dwight's. Dwight's been the same player for the past couple years. That's not bad at all, but he still hasn't taken that extra step that he needs to put him over the top. Bynum is on a stacked team and isn't getting the chance to shine the way Dwight is, but he has the stronger tools and will no doubt be a dominant big in this league. I see Dwight as more of a Shawn Kemp than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar...PeACe
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Bosh is a PF. Howards a better center than Bosh, but Bosh is a better PF than Howard. But Howard is easily better than Bynum.
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Bosh is a PF. Howards a better center than Bosh, but Bosh is a better PF than Howard. But Howard is easily better than Bynum.
Bosh and Dwight are both naturally power forwards...Bosh would be playing center in Dwight's shoes, as he did last year when the Raptors went small. But their natural position is power forward...both of them.
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Like i said in the other topic (why did you make another one anyway?), back in the days Shaq used to hustle against Sabonis, Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Divac, Barkley, Malone, Kemp.. now Howard is fighting for the "best center in the NBA" title with Amare Stoudamire (LOL), Yao Ming (LOL), Bynum (c'mon..), West (let's be serious..). Actually the 2nd best is Shaq. Yeah, 36 years old Shaq is beasting. Do you get the point? Howard is still so raw, but his phisical power is enought these days to label him the "best center in the NBA", and the competition with the others (but Shaq) is not even close. Then, if your point is that he ain't shit compared to Shaq & co. in their prime i do agree, and i've said it so many times: he's still too raw, he doesn't have good post-moves, he doesn't have high basketball IQ, no great skills but rebounding, blocking and dunking, but... he is by far the "best center in the NBA" at the moment no matter which stat you post. And Bosh is a PF, and last year Howard destroyed him in the Play Off, scoring two consecutive 20+20 (only man to do it since 1948) and winning 4 games almost alone.
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
I prefer the way Bynum was playing before he got injured to how Dwight plays...Bynums potential to be a great big seems much higher than Dwight's. Dwight's been the same player for the past couple years. That's not bad at all, but he still hasn't taken that extra step that he needs to put him over the top. Bynum is on a stacked team and isn't getting the chance to shine the way Dwight is, but he has the stronger tools and will no doubt be a dominant big in this league. I see Dwight as more of a Shawn Kemp than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar...PeACe
Its not about the style of play you prefer. Howard is hands down the best big in the game and there's not a single credible argument you can make. Your entire argument is based on you THINKING he has the POTENTIAL to be better. Take the Lakervision goggles off for a while and take a look at what everybody else sees.
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
lol this is just sad, man. everybody has trash games, including bosh, bynum, kobe. dwight = best big. lakers with dwight instead of bynum = 2000 all over again
one last truth to make you mad: current shaq > current bynum
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^^yeah for sure, there are at least 20 big men currently better than Bynum, probably a lot more, heres a few off the top of my head in a couple mins,
Hawes, Biedrins, Bosh, KG, Amare, Howard, Al Jefferson, Yao, Dirk, ETC, ETC, ETC>>>>>>Bynum
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give him 3 more years and he'll be the shit.
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give him 3 1 more years day and he'll be the shit.
corrected. ;)
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there are at least 20 big men currently better than Bynum, probably a lot more
Hawes, Biedrins>>>>>>Bynum
LMFAO!
:grumpy:
and then people say that I make up ridiculous claims. :stupid:
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
I prefer the way Bynum was playing before he got injured to how Dwight plays...Bynums potential to be a great big seems much higher than Dwight's. Dwight's been the same player for the past couple years. That's not bad at all, but he still hasn't taken that extra step that he needs to put him over the top. Bynum is on a stacked team and isn't getting the chance to shine the way Dwight is, but he has the stronger tools and will no doubt be a dominant big in this league. I see Dwight as more of a Shawn Kemp than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar...PeACe
Its not about the style of play you prefer. Howard is hands down the best big in the game and there's not a single credible argument you can make. Your entire argument is based on you THINKING he has the POTENTIAL to be better. Take the Lakervision goggles off for a while and take a look at what everybody else sees.
I think his game is overrated...it'll be exposed in due time. So will Bynum's greatness. 8)
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current shaq > current bynum
LMAO...I can't wait to bring this up after the Lakers face the Suns.
Bynum>Gasol>Dirk
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
I prefer the way Bynum was playing before he got injured to how Dwight plays...Bynums potential to be a great big seems much higher than Dwight's. Dwight's been the same player for the past couple years. That's not bad at all, but he still hasn't taken that extra step that he needs to put him over the top. Bynum is on a stacked team and isn't getting the chance to shine the way Dwight is, but he has the stronger tools and will no doubt be a dominant big in this league. I see Dwight as more of a Shawn Kemp than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar...PeACe
Its not about the style of play you prefer. Howard is hands down the best big in the game and there's not a single credible argument you can make. Your entire argument is based on you THINKING he has the POTENTIAL to be better. Take the Lakervision goggles off for a while and take a look at what everybody else sees.
I think his game is overrated...it'll be exposed in due time. So will Bynum's greatness. 8)
Again, your entire argument is based on your personal, biased opinion and what you THINK Bynum COULD be. Everybody else can see Howard is clearly the best big the league has to offer.
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stop overrating him. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight.
What an ironic post...you call Dwight overrated and then proceed to overrate Bynum by saying he's better than Dwight. Even if he is actually overrated, he's still better than Bynum.
I prefer the way Bynum was playing before he got injured to how Dwight plays...Bynums potential to be a great big seems much higher than Dwight's. Dwight's been the same player for the past couple years. That's not bad at all, but he still hasn't taken that extra step that he needs to put him over the top. Bynum is on a stacked team and isn't getting the chance to shine the way Dwight is, but he has the stronger tools and will no doubt be a dominant big in this league. I see Dwight as more of a Shawn Kemp than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar...PeACe
Its not about the style of play you prefer. Howard is hands down the best big in the game and there's not a single credible argument you can make. Your entire argument is based on you THINKING he has the POTENTIAL to be better. Take the Lakervision goggles off for a while and take a look at what everybody else sees.
I think his game is overrated...it'll be exposed in due time. So will Bynum's greatness. 8)
Again, your entire argument is based on your personal, biased opinion and what you THINK Bynum COULD be. Everybody else can see Howard is clearly the best big the league has to offer.
Again...Bosh>Dwight...Did you watch the Toronto-Orlando game?
Bosh=40 points 18 rebounds 4 assist 2 steals 1 block
Dwight=18 points 9 rebounds 1 assist 1 steal 3 blocks
LMAO@"clearly the best big in the league"
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NIK, its always what you "think", you realize that right? And then, when what you think doesn't happen (ie. Lakers not beating Celtics last year) you've got some sort of bs excuse or whatever to (only in your mind) try to make yourself not look as stupid as you really know you are.
As for Howard and Bosh, both awesome players, BOTH far and away ahead of Bynum at this point. WAY ahead. HOward and Bosh have been very good for a few years now, whereas Bynum showed flashes for a few months.
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NIK, its always what you "think", you realize that right? And then, when what you think doesn't happen (ie. Lakers not beating Celtics last year) you've got some sort of bs excuse or whatever to (only in your mind) try to make yourself not look as stupid as you really know you are.
As for Howard and Bosh, both awesome players, BOTH far and away ahead of Bynum at this point. WAY ahead. HOward and Bosh have been very good for a few years now, whereas Bynum showed flashes for a few months.
^It's my opinion, man...why do you get so sensitive over it? my opinion last year was that the Lakers had the Celtics in the Finals. Most people thought that, I wasn't the only one. quit tryna use my opinions against me, especially when they're valid. Bosh>Bynum>Dwight, Mark it...PeACe
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^^^^^^^^^^^
And this post by NIK epitomizes exactly why you are truly an idiot. Your opinions are shared by very few, are ridiculed by many, and yet you write others off and tell us we know nothing of bball. Yet, you base your outlandish assumptions not on fact but on opinion and more so, EMOTION.
Potential is great and Bynum impressed the hell out of me for a short while last year, but he is just NOT fucking with the true star big men in todays game. Best not on potential or possible future achievement, can you really say (without laughing) that he is a top five big men?
I'm not sensitive, its just that I have never come across someone so incredibly, blatantly biased, who argues not on merit but solely on emotional involvement. It is great to love your team, but you make yourself look silly man. Its really sad....
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LMAO at Bynum better than Dwight!!! HAHAH NIK I know you dont think this, no sane person could, you are just looking for attention. Who the fuck compares Bynum to Dwight HAHAHA, Its like comparing Larry Hughes to Kobe although thats probably even less obsurd then comparing Howard and Bynum, LOL NIK
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well see who gets the last laugh...can't wait til Bynum faces overrated ass Amare and Dwight this season.
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LMAO at Bynum better than Dwight!!! HAHAH NIK I know you dont think this, no sane person could, you are just looking for attention. Who the fuck compares Bynum to Dwight HAHAHA, Its like comparing Larry Hughes to Kobe although thats probably even less obsurd then comparing Howard and Bynum, LOL NIK
don't ever question someone's sanity...you just said Spencer Hawes>Andrew Bynum. LMAO
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Speaking of Bosh and Howard, CB4 went off for 40 points and 18 boards against DH lastnight, and the Raps still lost!
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well see who gets the last laugh...can't wait til Bynum faces overrated ass Amare and Dwight this season.
Lets take a look here...
Bynum
ppg 10.8
rpg 8.9
apg 1.8
spg 0.8
bpg 3.0
fg% 46
ft% 73
Amare
ppg 23.3
rpg 8.3
apg 2.0
spg 1.2
bpg 1.2
fg%58
ft% 82
Howard
ppg 21.0
rpg 13.5
apg 1.6
spg 1.1
bpg 4.0
fg% 60
ft% 54
highlighted is everything that Bynum leads this group of 3 in. If you noticed there is nothing is highlighted that's because he isn't leading in anything.
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well see who gets the last laugh...can't wait til Bynum faces overrated ass Amare and Dwight this season.
Lets take a look here...
Bynum
ppg 10.8
rpg 8.9
apg 1.8
spg 0.8
bpg 3.0
fg% 46
ft% 73
Amare
ppg 23.3
rpg 8.3
apg 2.0
spg 1.2
bpg 1.2
fg%58
ft% 82
Howard
ppg 21.0
rpg 13.5
apg 1.6
spg 1.1
bpg 4.0
fg% 60
ft% 54
highlighted is everything that Bynum leads this group of 3 in. If you noticed there is nothing is highlighted that's because he isn't leading in anything.
I think Nik's main point is that the Magics offense is directly focused on Dwight, same with the Suns to Amare, while LA has many different offensive options.
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well see who gets the last laugh...can't wait til Bynum faces overrated ass Amare and Dwight this season.
Lets take a look here...
Bynum
ppg 10.8
rpg 8.9
apg 1.8
spg 0.8
bpg 3.0
fg% 46
ft% 73
Amare
ppg 23.3
rpg 8.3
apg 2.0
spg 1.2
bpg 1.2
fg%58
ft% 82
Howard
ppg 21.0
rpg 13.5
apg 1.6
spg 1.1
bpg 4.0
fg% 60
ft% 54
highlighted is everything that Bynum leads this group of 3 in. If you noticed there is nothing is highlighted that's because he isn't leading in anything.
I think Nik's main point is that the Magics offense is directly focused on Dwight, same with the Suns to Amare, while LA has many different offensive options.
LOL, exactly...I'm glad that not everyone in here is an idiot who can't comprehend simple concepts.
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well see who gets the last laugh...can't wait til Bynum faces overrated ass Amare and Dwight this season.
Lets take a look here...
Bynum
ppg 10.8
rpg 8.9
apg 1.8
spg 0.8
bpg 3.0
fg% 46
ft% 73
Amare
ppg 23.3
rpg 8.3
apg 2.0
spg 1.2
bpg 1.2
fg%58
ft% 82
Howard
ppg 21.0
rpg 13.5
apg 1.6
spg 1.1
bpg 4.0
fg% 60
ft% 54
highlighted is everything that Bynum leads this group of 3 in. If you noticed there is nothing is highlighted that's because he isn't leading in anything.
I think Nik's main point is that the Magics offense is directly focused on Dwight, same with the Suns to Amare, while LA has many different offensive options.
LOL, exactly...I'm glad that not everyone in here is an idiot who can't comprehend simple concepts.
Simple concepts such as Bynum being an inferior player to Howard which is plainly obvious to any non-Laker fan and probably even most Laker fans?
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
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C'mon this is coming from a guy at one time said Kwame Brown >>> Tyson Chandler
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
I'm not looking for a reaction..I truly think if both players were at full strength and both had an equal opportunity to perform, they'd clearly be viewed as on the same level. the circumstances aren't like that, but you can't see around it. that's why I think the media runs the simpleminded basketball fans mind...PeACe
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C'mon this is coming from a guy at one time said Kwame Brown >>> Tyson Chandler
..and Kwame was clearly playing better ball at that time, as everyone in that thread co-signed me, including yourself. :-*
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C'mon this is coming from a guy at one time said Kwame Brown >>> Tyson Chandler
..and Kwame was clearly playing better ball at that time, as everyone in that thread co-signed me, including yourself. :-*
wow first you dont deny having Kobe's dick down your throat now you are blowing kisses at me... wow talk about suspect.
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^he tryna call me gay to cover up his dirty secret........?
WEAK! :nawty:
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^he tryna call me gay to cover up his dirty secret........?
WEAK! :nawty:
yup... you know when Kobe raped that girl NIK was saying to himself what a lucky broad.
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
I'm not looking for a reaction..I truly think if both players were at full strength and both had an equal opportunity to perform, they'd clearly be viewed as on the same level. the circumstances aren't like that, but you can't see around it. that's why I think the media runs the simpleminded basketball fans mind...PeACe
LOL then just admit you're among the biggest Laker homers of all time and be done with it.
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C'mon this is coming from a guy at one time said Kwame Brown >>> Tyson Chandler
..and Kwame was clearly playing better ball at that time, as everyone in that thread co-signed me, including yourself. :-*
wow first you dont deny having Kobe's dick down your throat now you are blowing kisses at me... wow talk about suspect.
you're the emotional guy who keeps bringin up Kobe's dick all the time...don't ever talk about "suspect"
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
I'm not looking for a reaction..I truly think if both players were at full strength and both had an equal opportunity to perform, they'd clearly be viewed as on the same level. the circumstances aren't like that, but you can't see around it. that's why I think the media runs the simpleminded basketball fans mind...PeACe
LOL then just admit you're among the biggest Laker homers of all time and be done with it.
But I'm not...I'd say the same thing as a Magic fan. I'm just a basketball purist. I prefer Bynum's skillset over Dwight's...Get over it.
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
I'm not looking for a reaction..I truly think if both players were at full strength and both had an equal opportunity to perform, they'd clearly be viewed as on the same level. the circumstances aren't like that, but you can't see around it. that's why I think the media runs the simpleminded basketball fans mind...PeACe
LOL then just admit you're among the biggest Laker homers of all time and be done with it.
But I'm not...I'd say the same thing as a Magic fan. I'm just a basketball purist. I prefer Bynum's skillset over Dwight's...Get over it.
You can prefer his skill set, thats fine. But don't act like Bynum is even close to Howard. That would be like me saying Roy>Kobe because I prefer his skill set.
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^Bynum, with his game legs under him, with reliance on his knee, and his chemistry with Gasol developed in the frontcourt, is clearly on the same level as Dwight...I don't think many people saw what he was doing to opponents last year before he got injured...patience, my friends.
Ok, I can see you're only looking for a reaction at this point. But if on the off chance you actually believe that, you have lost your entire cotton pickin mind.
I'm not looking for a reaction..I truly think if both players were at full strength and both had an equal opportunity to perform, they'd clearly be viewed as on the same level. the circumstances aren't like that, but you can't see around it. that's why I think the media runs the simpleminded basketball fans mind...PeACe
LOL then just admit you're among the biggest Laker homers of all time and be done with it.
But I'm not...I'd say the same thing as a Magic fan. I'm just a basketball purist. I prefer Bynum's skillset over Dwight's...Get over it.
You can prefer his skill set, thats fine. But don't act like Bynum is even close to Howard. That would be like me saying Roy>Kobe because I prefer his skill set.
Turf Hitta, you just knocked that shit out of the park. What you say is EXACTLY what the rest of us think of NIK and his opinionsa. It is FINE to "believe" "think" "prefer" etc, but that doesn't make it gospel.
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You guys have your own opinions...I think Bynum would easily be a 20-12-4 guy in Orlando, with a bigger impact on the game. I'd still take Bynum any day. We'll see when both of their careers are done.
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