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Title: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: thisoneguy360 on December 10, 2008, 10:52:46 AM
Life sucks.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 10, 2008, 02:20:00 PM
Life sucks.

Life is awsome! ;) 8)

the power of the dollar folks, bring on the rest of these free agent starters; LETS SIGN 'EM ALL! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OchoCinco on December 10, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
ya all that money got u far last year ... wat a way to go out in that ball park...choke
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 10, 2008, 04:42:52 PM
dodgers better make a move for fucking jake peavy.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 10, 2008, 04:47:15 PM
if they get him... who else will they have in the rotation?

I can't remember as of right now
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 10, 2008, 05:10:11 PM
if they get him... who else will they have in the rotation?

I can't remember as of right now

doesn't matter, your so lucky you play in the NL.

its up for grabs year after year.

Rockies, Phillies & if the Dodgers sign Peavy then your a contender.

BUT, Peavy should sign with the Yanks! ;) 8)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 10, 2008, 05:19:34 PM
i dont think the yankees would want to part with joba...plus, besides joba and hughes, who do they really have, in terms of prospects?
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 10, 2008, 05:28:57 PM
This is the reason why there needs to be a salary cap in baseball. Who else could offer that much money aside from maybe the Mets, BoSox, or Angels? I suppose it didn't really make much a difference last year seeing as the Yankees were in dead last for a while, but still, it's the principles.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 10, 2008, 05:33:01 PM
This is the reason why there needs to be a salary cap in baseball. Who else could offer that much money aside from maybe the Mets, BoSox, or Angels? I suppose it didn't really make much a difference last year seeing as the Yankees were in dead last for a while, but still, it's the principles.

you dont need to have a huge payroll to win, if you know how to draft and build a good team.  look at the rays, they had a what? like 47M dollar pay roll? thats like two players on the yankees.  and they had a better record than the yanks, sox, and 29 other teams in the MLB...and made it to the WS.

a high payroll doesnt mean shit. 
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 10, 2008, 05:38:22 PM
i dont think the yankees would want to part with joba...plus, besides joba and hughes, who do they really have, in terms of prospects?

no one of real importance, but well buy someone else before the season gets goin.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 10, 2008, 05:58:55 PM
This is the reason why there needs to be a salary cap in baseball. Who else could offer that much money aside from maybe the Mets, BoSox, or Angels? I suppose it didn't really make much a difference last year seeing as the Yankees were in dead last for a while, but still, it's the principles.

you dont need to have a huge payroll to win, if you know how to draft and build a good team.  look at the rays, they had a what? like 47M dollar pay roll? thats like two players on the yankees.  and they had a better record than the yanks, sox, and 29 other teams in the MLB...and made it to the WS.

a high payroll doesnt mean shit. 

I root for the Twins. I know all about small payrolls that win games. But the fact of the matter is, all of this money floating around is significantly affecting the free agent market. Players see what Sabathia and Santana got and want that too. It skews the market. So only NY, Boston, and LA get big name players and the rest of the teams have to rely on the minor league system? That's bullshit. The Yankees struggled more or less because of all the superstar personalities on the team who think they are entitled. The fact that they don't win the World Series year after year is proof those players don't deserve the money they are getting.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 10, 2008, 06:59:20 PM
This is the reason why there needs to be a salary cap in baseball. Who else could offer that much money aside from maybe the Mets, BoSox, or Angels? I suppose it didn't really make much a difference last year seeing as the Yankees were in dead last for a while, but still, it's the principles.

you dont need to have a huge payroll to win, if you know how to draft and build a good team.  look at the rays, they had a what? like 47M dollar pay roll? thats like two players on the yankees.  and they had a better record than the yanks, sox, and 29 other teams in the MLB...and made it to the WS.

a high payroll doesnt mean shit. 

I root for the Twins. I know all about small payrolls that win games. But the fact of the matter is, all of this money floating around is significantly affecting the free agent market. Players see what Sabathia and Santana got and want that too. It skews the market. So only NY, Boston, and LA get big name players and the rest of the teams have to rely on the minor league system? That's bullshit. The Yankees struggled more or less because of all the superstar personalities on the team who think they are entitled. The fact that they don't win the World Series year after year is proof those players don't deserve the money they are getting.

i hear what your sayin, but look at Tampa...

a bunch of SHITTY years, but a bunch of nice 1st round picks, some key small trades & they find themselves going farther than the Yankees, Redsox & the Angels.

its teams like the Twins though, that get hit the worst. not finishing with all that bad of a record, so you dont get the greatest draft picks/future stars & your not a big enough market team to even try to go against the Yankees or the Angels for those big names...i feel your pain. :-\

...well i dont really feel it ;D, but i understand it. ;)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 12, 2008, 01:52:03 AM
I really don't see the Yankees winning by spending more and more money year after year

I remember when they got Randy Johnson and everyone said it was all over, then lost in the first round

Sabathia is a beast who will win games but my gut feeling tells me the Yankees still won't get far, he won't make a REAL difference if ya know what I mean
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on December 12, 2008, 07:50:44 AM
if they get him... who else will they have in the rotation?

I can't remember as of right now

CC, Wang, Joba, Phil Hughes and one of: AJ Burnett/Andy Pettite/Derek Lowe

randy johnson was a waste of time, he was ok here but from day 1 i was leary of bringing in a 40 year old lol
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2008, 02:19:09 PM
CC, Wang, Joba Burnett, AJ & either Huges/Lowe/Pettite (Peavy? :D)

name me a better starting 5!
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 12, 2008, 02:25:27 PM
didn't Burnett sign with the Braves?
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
^na AJ is comin to NY homie. ;) 8)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 12, 2008, 03:26:30 PM
huh... could have sworn I saw something about a 5-year deal with Atlanta

maybe it was just an offer
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Mo Z. Dizzle on December 12, 2008, 04:04:21 PM
Report: Yanks, Burnett agree on five-year, $82.5 million deal

Quote
BRONX, NEW YORK (TICKER) —A.J. Burnett apparently is set to join CC Sabathia as a high-priced pitcher in pinstripes.

Burnett and the New York Yankees agreed in principle to a five-year, $82.5 million contract Friday, according to multiple reports.

The deal, which was initially reported by FOXSports.com, is pending Burnett’s physical. The Yankees have not commented on the reports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ast4MVB4oe1Mfbx19lMCIqwRvLYF?slug=txyankeesburnett&prov=st&type=lgns
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 12, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
Burnett: $17mill/year

Sabathia: $23mill/year

And they will only play 32-40 games a year if they don't get hurt... :grumpy:
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 12, 2008, 04:36:17 PM
why would they give Burnett that kind of deal?   the Yankees are fuckin stupid

he has a history of injuries too and he's not worth $80 million dollars

this is just dumb
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on December 12, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
didn't Burnett sign with the Braves?

nope :)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 12, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 12, 2008, 07:17:47 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on December 12, 2008, 07:41:22 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2008, 08:02:18 PM
i thought you guys understood that money isnt an issue; we could pay everyone on the team 20 million & still have money to spend! ;) 8)

we are going to continue to overpay players as long as they put on the pinstripes. ;D

my freind Mr. Texeria is next on my list; i hope Cashman feels the way i do. ;) 8)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Mo Z. Dizzle on December 12, 2008, 08:34:05 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

It was a contract year, he'd obviously try harder.
better hope that he isn't a Pavano 2.0; he's a pretty decent pitcher, but it'd suck to pay him $16.5 mill a yr to be on the DL.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 12, 2008, 09:24:45 PM
come on hack, you should know that wins and losses doesnt determine how good a player is.

imo, Derek Lowe is the better overall pitcher. 
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 12, 2008, 09:56:05 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

First of all where did I say luck ?  Again Yanks fans getting hurt when we dont bow down to everything and anything the Skanks do.  In 2006 Steve Trashpail had 15 wins for the Mets with an ERA near 6.  Wins aren't good way to measure how good a pitcher is.  And like I said from talking to Jays fans there were plenty of games where the bullpen came in and saved his ass.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 12, 2008, 09:57:55 PM
i thought you guys understood that money isnt an issue; we could pay everyone on the team 20 million & still have money to spend! ;) 8)

we are going to continue to overpay players as long as they put on the pinstripes. ;D

my freind Mr. Texeria is next on my list; i hope Cashman feels the way i do. ;) 8)

And every season banking on Pavano to return really hurt you guys.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2008, 11:19:58 PM
see but wasting cash on Pavano didnt affect us at all economically.

i really hope Burnett isnt Pavano 2.0; but its more like i care more about how it would affect our staff a SHITLOAD more than our bank account.

we basically have an infinite amount of money, not a concern at all; we just need them to stay healthy.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Rick McCrank on December 12, 2008, 11:45:02 PM
money has nothing to do with it, they're just a wack TEAM at the end of the day

the wack players being overpaid is another added bonus to how pathetic it is

I understand giving CC a contract like that but Burnett is trash when you're talking $80 million

it's just principle, you're not going to win with this kind of philosophy

also you're not going to win when everyone in the clubhouse thinks A-Rod is a faggot, one who chokes come playoff time

the  96-01  days are loooong gone for the Yankees, I'm just being honest when saying they aren't gonna win shit, my team's NL, so I could care less


Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 12, 2008, 11:56:08 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2008, 11:58:52 PM
^one awesome thing of being a Yankee fan; lovin the hate. ;D

Burnett pitches amazing vs. AL East team (a majority of the schedule).

i dont know who your team in the NL is, but im sure as hell he is better than your second best pitcher lol.

his only risk is injury & it is one i am sure as hell going to take.

best starting five in baseball, the Yanks have (on paper); ill give yall that just cuz it looks nice doesnt mean its always great in the games.

its going to be a Yankees/Mets World Series, guaranteed! Mets BETTER NOT blow anymore late inning leads & the Yankees arent done yet with there free agent acquisitions, so it should be one hell of a series next October! ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 13, 2008, 12:00:18 AM
^one awesome thing of being a Yankee fan; lovin the hate. ;D

Have fun being a fan of team that can't even make the playoffs. :P
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 13, 2008, 12:04:00 AM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 13, 2008, 12:08:41 AM
^one awesome thing of being a Yankee fan; lovin the hate. ;D

Have fun being a fan of team that can't even make the playoffs. :P

no, no...i said i am a YANKEES FAN; its alright, common misread. ;)

what team did you think i said, that you think cant make the playoffs? Rangers? Padres? Twins?; just curious. :D
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 13, 2008, 12:24:35 AM
^one awesome thing of being a Yankee fan; lovin the hate. ;D

Have fun being a fan of team that can't even make the playoffs. :P

no, no...i said i am a YANKEES FAN; its alright, common misread. ;)

what team did you think i said, that you think cant make the playoffs? Rangers? Padres? Twins?; just curious. :D

The Yanks were nowhere to be found in October. Hmmm...
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 13, 2008, 12:30:26 AM
if the dodgers had a better owner, money wouldnt be an issue with the dodgers either...but our owner is a cheap fucking moron.  

god i wish peter o'mally was still the HNIC.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Maully aka [Fitted Da Boss] on December 13, 2008, 08:23:28 AM
got aj burnett too...yes... ;D

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Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Chamillitary Click on December 13, 2008, 09:00:31 AM
^one awesome thing of being a Yankee fan; lovin the hate. ;D

Have fun being a fan of team that can't even make the playoffs. :P

no, no...i said i am a YANKEES FAN; its alright, common misread. ;)

what team did you think i said, that you think cant make the playoffs? Rangers? Padres? Twins?; just curious. :D

The Yanks were nowhere to be found in October. Hmmm...

lol, i know brotha; im just fuckin with ya. ;)

but i think we are going to have a major turn around this season. 8)


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Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on December 13, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

First of all where did I say luck ?  Again Yanks fans getting hurt when we dont bow down to everything and anything the Skanks do.  In 2006 Steve Trashpail had 15 wins for the Mets with an ERA near 6.  Wins aren't good way to measure how good a pitcher is.  And like I said from talking to Jays fans there were plenty of games where the bullpen came in and saved his ass.

AJ was a bluejay, not a yankee

and wasnt 18 what he had 2 years ago?  not last year
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Mo Z. Dizzle on December 13, 2008, 07:12:06 PM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

First of all where did I say luck ?  Again Yanks fans getting hurt when we dont bow down to everything and anything the Skanks do.  In 2006 Steve Trashpail had 15 wins for the Mets with an ERA near 6.  Wins aren't good way to measure how good a pitcher is.  And like I said from talking to Jays fans there were plenty of games where the bullpen came in and saved his ass.

AJ was a bluejay, not a yankee

and wasnt 18 what he had 2 years ago?  not last year

he had 10 wins 2 years ago; last year was 18 and was the only season he stayed fully healthy while with the Jays
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6314/career;_ylt=AnttFpJId3qYL8Q23Fn5Y4.FCLcF
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 13, 2008, 07:47:27 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.

There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Twentytwofifty on December 13, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
Good move by the Yankees.  If I was on a budget I certainly wouldn't give A.J. that contract but they don't really seem to.
He's got really nasty stuff, a 95+ mph heater and some wicked breaking pitches but he's incredibly inconsistent.  He'll look amazing one start and like a bum the next. 

I'm not looking forward to see him pitch against the Jays 3-4 times a year.  Going to be a loooooong 2009 trying to battle the Yanks, Sox and Rays in the East. 
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 14, 2008, 10:33:36 AM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

First of all where did I say luck ?  Again Yanks fans getting hurt when we dont bow down to everything and anything the Skanks do.  In 2006 Steve Trashpail had 15 wins for the Mets with an ERA near 6.  Wins aren't good way to measure how good a pitcher is.  And like I said from talking to Jays fans there were plenty of games where the bullpen came in and saved his ass.

AJ was a bluejay, not a yankee

and wasnt 18 what he had 2 years ago?  not last year

Where did I say he was a Yank ?  And the 18 wins was last season.  Have fun watching a pitcher who doesn't want to pitch when he is a little sore.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 14, 2008, 10:39:22 AM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on December 14, 2008, 10:52:46 AM
LMFAO @ Skanks fans excited about Burnett.  Dude had a nice record b/c his bullpen saved him a ton of times.  He has only lived up to his ability a couple of times in his career.  He can't stay healthy and 2 of the 3 seasons he did were contract years lol.  Burnett has Pavano 2.0 written all over it.

18 W's?  thats not luck

First of all where did I say luck ?  Again Yanks fans getting hurt when we dont bow down to everything and anything the Skanks do.  In 2006 Steve Trashpail had 15 wins for the Mets with an ERA near 6.  Wins aren't good way to measure how good a pitcher is.  And like I said from talking to Jays fans there were plenty of games where the bullpen came in and saved his ass.

AJ was a bluejay, not a yankee

and wasnt 18 what he had 2 years ago?  not last year

he had 10 wins 2 years ago; last year was 18 and was the only season he stayed fully healthy while with the Jays
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6314/career;_ylt=AnttFpJId3qYL8Q23Fn5Y4.FCLcF

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Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 14, 2008, 01:05:50 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 14, 2008, 01:27:38 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.
So if thats how you feel why do we need a cap.  Make your mind up.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 14, 2008, 02:54:23 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.

So if thats how you feel why do we need a cap.  Make your mind up.

I have made up my mind. I feel the MLB needs a maximum cap. What I was trying to point out is that it is kind of redundant to impose a minimum cap as well. If a team could spend a five spot and still win, more power to 'em. Throwing money around obvious isn't the answer.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 14, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.

So if thats how you feel why do we need a cap.  Make your mind up.

I have made up my mind. I feel the MLB needs a maximum cap. What I was trying to point out is that it is kind of redundant to impose a minimum cap as well. If a team could spend a five spot and still win, more power to 'em. Throwing money around obvious isn't the answer.

And for every A's and Twins you have a Royals and Pirates that put no money into any part of the organization.  It's not right the Marlins don't spend any money whatsoever.  Sure they played good ball this season but next season they will go back to a 60 win season b/c they already unloaded 4 key players this year and are looking unload a couple more.  So if you want to punish teams that spend money b/c they want to win than teams that don't invest and pocket every sent should be punished as well.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: Low Key on December 14, 2008, 03:17:57 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.

So if thats how you feel why do we need a cap.  Make your mind up.

I have made up my mind. I feel the MLB needs a maximum cap. What I was trying to point out is that it is kind of redundant to impose a minimum cap as well. If a team could spend a five spot and still win, more power to 'em. Throwing money around obvious isn't the answer.

And for every A's and Twins you have a Royals and Pirates that put no money into any part of the organization.  It's not right the Marlins don't spend any money whatsoever.  Sure they played good ball this season but next season they will go back to a 60 win season b/c they already unloaded 4 key players this year and are looking unload a couple more.  So if you want to punish teams that spend money b/c they want to win than teams that don't invest and pocket every sent should be punished as well.

Well, what do you propose the minimum cap be set at? The Twins only spend $4mill more than the Royals, and obviously every team can't go on to the playoffs regardless of what they spend.
Title: Re: CC Sabathia close to a 7 year deal with Yankees
Post by: herpes on December 14, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
And to the cat that is going on about the salary cap, teams like the Pirates, Twins, and Royals have the money to spend but choose not to.  It may not be Yankee money but it's a lot more than what they do spend.  So if you want a salary cap you should also have a minimum salary cap for what you have to at least spend.

Every other sport has a salary cap to keep things balanced and competitive. If a team in the NFL wants to sign a player with a blockbuster deal, then that is less money they have to spend elsewhere. It keeps bad managerial decisions from taking precident over the game itself. Off season Yankees moves have become almost as big of a spectacle as the 9 months of play.

And no, not every team has the money to spend like the Yanks. Sure, Carl Pohlad is a billionaire, but if he went out and spent $300mill a year on personnel, he'd be broke in a matter of years. The Yanks get hundreds of millions from their TV contract with YES, and tons of money from franchising rights, concessions, etc. Steinbrenner is still making hella money off the Yankee name alone no matter what ridiculous amount he decides to pay his players. The Twins are not, and never will. As much as this state loves it's baseball, there is no way in hell they are getting a nine figure TV endorsement or come close to selling the amount of merchandise the Yankees do.

I never said the Twins had Yankee money.  But they have the money to spend more than what they do.  It's common knowledge in baseball Pohlad is one of the cheapest owners in the game.


There is nothing wrong with being cheap if doing so still produces positive results. Steinbrenner believes he can just sign a check and all will be right, which is not the case.

Well your owner had the money to keep a couple of the guys he let walk but he won't spend the money so don't get mad when the Yanks throw money around like its nothing and your owner doesn't.  And if you want a cap there should be a minimum cap so like the owners of the Pirates and Royals are forced to put the money back into there instead of pocketing everything.  And about the Yanks throwing money around like it's nothing.  What have the Yanks done the past couple of years ?  The biggest choke job of all time, some embarrassing first round exits, and not even making the playoffs.  For a team and it's fans that have the mind state of World Series or bust that is a failure.  Notice the more they spend to try and put all stars in every spot the less dangerous they get.  Let them throw money around instead of building a team like they did in the 90's.  Now watch the Yanks fans mention my Mets being losers like everyone Met fan didn't know that already lol.  Sorry Yanks fans I had to beat you to the punch.

So what should the minimum cap be? The Marlins spend the least out any MLB team, yet they still stayed close in the division, and as I recall, at one point led the division. If you look at all of the teams who spend more than $100mil in salaries, only 3 of 11 teams actually won their division, while 6 of 11 missed the playoffs altogether.

So if thats how you feel why do we need a cap.  Make your mind up.

I have made up my mind. I feel the MLB needs a maximum cap. What I was trying to point out is that it is kind of redundant to impose a minimum cap as well. If a team could spend a five spot and still win, more power to 'em. Throwing money around obvious isn't the answer.

And for every A's and Twins you have a Royals and Pirates that put no money into any part of the organization.  It's not right the Marlins don't spend any money whatsoever.  Sure they played good ball this season but next season they will go back to a 60 win season b/c they already unloaded 4 key players this year and are looking unload a couple more.  So if you want to punish teams that spend money b/c they want to win than teams that don't invest and pocket every sent should be punished as well.

Well, what do you propose the minimum cap be set at? The Twins only spend $4mill more than the Royals, and obviously every team can't go on to the playoffs regardless of what they spend.

It all hinges on what the max cap would be.