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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Jaydc555 on December 29, 2008, 02:12:14 PM
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Mine in no order are ghost dog,memento,fight club,American pshycho and rear window
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1. The Great Escape
2. Chinatown
3. Once Upon A Time In America
4. The Magnificent Seven
5. In The Line Of Fire
there are a lot of other VERY close honorable mentions, but if i was on an island and had to only pick five, it would be these lol. ;D
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1.Scarface
2.Menace II Society
3.City Of God
4.Once Upon A Time In America
5.Bullet (Yes, Bullet Starring Micky Rourke And 2Pac) I Know Y´all (Americans) Hate The Move But "Butch Stein" Rules.
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1. Boondock Saints
2. Dazed and Confused
3. American History X
4. Fight Club
5. Shawshank Redemption
something like that, but theres easily a dozen more that could sub in
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OMG, EXCUSE ME! :stupid:
i forgot to put up The Godfather; what the fuck was i thinking? ???
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1 - Pulp Fiction
2 - Once Upon A Time In America
3 - Goodfellas
4 - The Good The Bad And The Ugly
5 - Scarface
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a prop to the first person who has a john carpenter movie in their list...
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Damn and the thing is my favorite horror movie of all the time I was toying with that as my number 5 instead of rear window ha ha
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1. True Romance
2. Silence of the Lambs
3. The Godfather
4. Goodfellas
5. Scarface
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1. The Shawshank Redemption
2. Taxi Driver
3. Escape From New York
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. The Lost Boys
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OMG, EXCUSE ME! :stupid:
i forgot to put up The Godfather; what the fuck was i thinking? ???
.....that...
3. Once Upon A Time In America
....is way better ;) ;) ;) ;) (it is ;))
Godfather is probably the best movie of all time.
but i love Once Upon A Time In America lol.
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Pulp Fiction
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Pan's Labyrinth
Raging Bull
The Godfather Part II
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not that anyone would admit this, but I wonder how many people list old italian mafia movies because they actually loved them...or because they think its the cool thing to do. Im jus sayin...
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You're wondering the wrong thing. You have to wonder why people like the Godfather and other italian mafia movies? Is it because they are "hard" or is it because they're actually amazing movies that are layered with psychological themes?
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You're wondering the wrong thing. You have to wonder why people like the Godfather and other italian mafia movies? Is it because they are "hard" or is it because they're actually amazing movies that are layered with psychological themes?
Naw, Im wonderin the right thing. Im sure that the fact that liking mafia movies is the "cool thing to do" accounts for why a lot of muthafuckas chose them. Why else do guys in their teens, or early twenties....like movies that might have been made before they were even born? They typically dont say they like other old movies that would, by many, be rated as better movies. If the Godfather had the exact same plot, storyline, etc....but all the characters were gay....you think anyone on here would list as one of their top 5? lol
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Ah yes the gay mafia.or the rainbow mafia rather.
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Ah yes the gay mafia.or the rainbow mafia rather.
LOL!! Ay, the Godfather would be a much funnier movie...
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I do hear what your saying and agree some people just pick certain movies to just go with the norm,not saying everybody does though as those are great movies.its the same way every single critics list has citizen kane as the number one movie of all time.have you watched it?so fucking boring.same with 2001 space oddysey,nothing puts me to sleep Better then a kubrick film
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You're wondering the wrong thing. You have to wonder why people like the Godfather and other italian mafia movies? Is it because they are "hard" or is it because they're actually amazing movies that are layered with psychological themes?
If the Godfather had the exact same plot, storyline, etc....but all the characters were gay....you think anyone on here would list as one of their top 5? lol
That's my point. I would still like it because of how layered the movie is, not because of how "gangster" it is.
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I do hear what your saying and agree some people just pick certain movies to just go with the norm,not saying everybody does though as those are great movies.its the same way every single critics list has citizen kane as the number one movie of all time.have you watched it?so fucking boring.same with 2001 space oddysey,nothing puts me to sleep Better then a kubrick film
Citizen Kane isn't boring, but I wouldn't put it in my favorite 10.
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I do hear what your saying and agree some people just pick certain movies to just go with the norm,not saying everybody does though as those are great movies.its the same way every single critics list has citizen kane as the number one movie of all time.have you watched it?so fucking boring.same with 2001 space oddysey,nothing puts me to sleep Better then a kubrick film
2001 is hailed for it's visual style. Not so much for it's other aspects.
Citizen Kane on the other hand is a masterful work of art so far ahead of any film of its time it's ridiculous. It was true art that was too good for the art establishment of the day to recognize. Godfather was a solid film but it didn't confuse people in the film world to the point where they needed time to really get it. The art that isn't quite understood until years later is the best kind because it is visionary art.
To really understand what made CK so great you'd have to watch the other seven films nominated that year in 1941, and then watch the winner that year "How Green Was My Valley". Then go and watch the next 10 or 11 Best Pictures and see slowly how the influence of Citizen Kane emerges into Hollywood's acceptance on what makes a film great. A lot of the current great directors owe a lot to Citizen Kane.
It's hard to notice the power of film like that because so much of what made it so amazing has become the norm in great films and we've been spoiled by them. It's like a heavy metal fan listening to Link Wray's "Rumble". The average kid who likes metal will call it soft and boring but the best most influential metal guitarists understand what made it so amazing. To us it makes no sense that an instrumental guitar track would be banned from any radio station because it was too dark and vulgar. But back then compared to what was out it sounded like the Devil himself talking through a guitar and the people in the established music scene couldn't understand it. It scared them. But Jimi Hendrix understood it. Tony Iommi understood. And you saw how the hard riff of Link had to slowky go through the softer stages of The Who, and The Kinks, before it became even harder with Hendrix and Sabbath.
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I actually agree with everything you said shallow.Using a poor metaphor its like a kid watching the exorcist now after watching all the current horror films.you had to have been alive to truely appreciate it.my favorite director is Alfred Hitchcock I still watch his films regurarly.
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OMG, EXCUSE ME! :stupid:
i forgot to put up The Godfather; what the fuck was i thinking? ???
.....that...
3. Once Upon A Time In America
....is way better ;) ;) ;) ;) (it is ;))
Godfather is probably the best movie of all time.
but i love Once Upon A Time In America lol.
you really think so?
I know it's a "bonafied classic" and all,so it's hard to argue.... :P but personally I don't care for it. ;)
The way "Once Upon A Time In America" plays (story) is just so much better.
it was incredible if you ask me. i think the second one was almost as good too. the whole story with De Nero as Brando as a child was great.
for that little "its just a cool thing"; old movies are just a million times better than new movies.
new movies have no like spectacular plot, they just try to fool us with amazing graphics. there are some great movies made today. but all the great classics are the old westerns & the big ones in the 70's, Godfather, Jaws, Rocky, etc.
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You're wondering the wrong thing. You have to wonder why people like the Godfather and other italian mafia movies? Is it because they are "hard" or is it because they're actually amazing movies that are layered with psychological themes?
If the Godfather had the exact same plot, storyline, etc....but all the characters were gay....you think anyone on here would list as one of their top 5? lol
That's my point. I would still like it because of how layered the movie is, not because of how "gangster" it is.
(no homo) lol
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I love Goodfellas...one of my favorite movies of all time...but I can't get into The Godfather...tried watching it, but I dunno, just wasn't feeling it.
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I actually agree with everything you said shallow.Using a poor metaphor its like a kid watching the exorcist now after watching all the current horror films.you had to have been alive to truely appreciate it.my favorite director is Alfred Hitchcock I still watch his films regurarly.
I actually think the Exorcist stands up pretty good on its own. It doesn't look as grainy as most of the films of the early 70s. But yeah it wasn't jump out of your seat and vomit scary or disturbing like it would have been for me many back then. Show the average high school girl of today the Exorcist and they may agree it's scary and even feel it a bit. But a 15 year old girl in the 70s watches that I don't even want to be in the room.
Hitchcock is a perfect example of someone who people back then didn't "get" like they "got" him years later.
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fight club is by far my favorite movie. im quite pissed when watching movies these days. they always suck. series like prison break are much better than movies these days. fuck movies. fight club all day any day.
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i would say citizen kane probably derserve its title of the greatest movie ever made, even though it certainly wouldn't top my personal list. when it came out it was so far ahead of anything that had been done in cinema conceptually and technically it was crazy (although it does owe a lot to particular european and japanese films). if something came out today that was as far ahead of its time as citizen kane was, it would blow everyones heads off. i would say that a defining moment like citizen kane won't be happening again until they movie into holographic film and someone really exploits some new technology.
but as we're not in the business of being film historians here i would lean toward contemporary works by the likes of takeshi kitano who i am a great fan of and also john carpenter, who has made many underappreciated films that are as thematically rich and perceptive as those from the greatest auteur direcors while at the same time being masterclasses in storytelling and pacing. highly entertaining 8)
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i would say citizen kane probably derserve its title of the greatest movie ever made, even though it certainly wouldn't top my personal list. when it came out it was so far ahead of anything that had been done in cinema conceptually and technically it was crazy (although it does owe a lot to particular european and japanese films). if something came out today that was as far ahead of its time as citizen kane was, it would blow everyones heads off. i would say that a defining moment like citizen kane won't be happening again until they movie into holographic film and someone really exploits some new technology.
but as we're not in the business of being film historians here i would lean toward contemporary works by the likes of takeshi kitano who i am a great fan of and also john carpenter, who has made many underappreciated films that are as thematically rich and perceptive as those from the greatest auteur direcors while at the same time being masterclasses in storytelling and pacing. highly entertaining 8)
I didn't realize the European and Japanese industries were that far along in the 30s and early 40s.
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nah i mean conceptually e.g. renoir playing around with deep focus techniques before welles and kane. having said that i thought 'la règle du jeu' (1939) was a pile of rubbish when i eventually saw it. i will have to dig up some of my old uni work cause we had to do a lot on citizen kane and i pretty much memorized the entire film scene by scene for an exam :I good shit though...
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i cant say that i fully understand the innovativeness of citizen kane, but i think its a great movie, that character is so badass and the way it all comes together, i wouldnt say it is boring at all, i can see why 2001 could be seen as boring but after finally watchin the whole thing its pretty incredible
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also i would add, i think gone with the wind, 1939, is more ahead of its time than CK, 1941...
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i think with CK it was the way that a lot of different kinds of innovation came together for the first time in one coherent movie that was the biggest achievement. there's a lot of very impressive stuff they did on a technical level (sets, camera and microphone positioning, refining deep focus) as well as the various artistic/compositional meanings that took it way beyond the scope of narrative cinema before then.
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The Birds was an awesome movie for some old shit. 8)
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for sure hitchcock = genius. y'all should check out this really cool hitchcock movie called 'rope' its filmed in like one single camera set-up and is very clever indeed 8)
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also i would add, i think gone with the wind, 1939, is more ahead of its time than CK, 1941...
Really? Gone With the Wind was a solid film but I don't see what made it ahead of it's time.
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Yeah rope was great as well as north by northwest and vertigo..actually almost all of his movies are great I own about 20 of them
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^you own twenty Hitchcock movies? :o
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Yes I do.
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I bought one set with with 14 movies in them cost me 150 its a really nice box set.then I bought some singles of the ones I didn't have.I also own the first two seasons of his TV show
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I bought one set with with 14 movies in them cost me 150 its a really nice box set.then I bought some singles of the ones I didn't have.I also own the first two seasons of his TV show
14 movies for 150 is a fuckin bargain!
i needa find a big set of James Bond; all of them up to now. ;) 8)
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they are in the process of getting released in HD (they are doing blu-ray sets of 3 movies at a time) so i'd hold your horses before buying any James Bond DVDs for now...
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they are in the process of getting released in HD (they are doing blu-ray sets of 4-5 movies at a time) so i'd hold your horses before buying any James Bond DVDs for now...
thanks for that brotha, will do. ;) 8)
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the first two sets had some good ones in them but i'm really waiting on Goldeneye (due in March). i got a 720p HDTV rip of it but the actual blu-ray disc version should be sweet 8)
not that I even have a blu-ray player, but ima download a rip to play on my HDTV through the PC. the true pirates way! 8)
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1: The Goonies
2: Braveheart
3: Hook
4: back To The Future
5: Goodfellas
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1. Apocalypse now - lol how did that one get past all the 2pac fans;)
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Vertigo
4. The good the bad and the ugly
5. The Unforgiven
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^lmao, The Big Lebowski is a funny fucking movie. :laugh:
1: The Goonies
2: Braveheart
3: Hook
4: back To The Future
5: Goodfellas
thats a list i didnt expect to see, but those are all great movies to me. ;)
i liked all of the Back To The Future trilogy.
anybody here love the OG Star War trilogy? i thot it was dope. 8)
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
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shallow i dont have an answer to the gone with the wind question, but ill rewatch and see if i can muster something up, wray links rumble is dope as fuck btw, probly tied for my fav instrumental track with green onions
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
How do you put Sith on par with Jedi? The three new films combined add up to about half of one of the old ones. So here it is
Menace - 0.5
Colne Wars - 1.0
Sith - 1.0
Hope - 5
Empire - 5
Jedi - 5
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^i think Revenge of the Sith had the potential to be GREAT.
i love the evil twist in Aniken; killing children! lol :o :laugh:
but i think they slowly mad the new movies more and more romantic.
too much love story behind it, imo.
the new ones arent that bad (i enjoy them a lot), but i just enjoy the old ones more & think there better movies (told you guys, older movies were just made better lol). ;)
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^I think Revenge of the Sith had the potential to be GREAT.
I love the evil twist in Anakin; killing children! lol :o :laugh:
it's far from perfect....
but I think they slowly mad the new movies more and more romantic.
too much love story behind it, imo.
They're part of the whole story,so some chapters had to deal about Anakins love affair
the new ones aren't that bad (I enjoy them a lot),
but I just enjoy the old ones more & think there better movies (told you guys, older movies were just made better lol). ;)
old movies > new movies.... no question about that. ;)
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
How do you put Sith on par with Jedi? The three new films combined add up to about half of one of the old ones. So here it is
Menace - 0.5
Clone Wars - 1.0
Sith - 1.0
Hope - 5
Empire - 5
Jedi - 5
I like Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith),actually more than Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi).
So a exact rating would be Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 3.9 and Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 3.7 ;) Fuck those fuckings Ewoks >:(
Sith single handedly ruined the greatest cosmic villain of all time. All those years in between the originals and the prequels we waited to see who Darth Vader was. What made Anakin Skywalker go from great Jedi to evil Sith. The first film showed him as a stupid little boy. The second as a pouting bitch. And the third revealed that he only turned evil because he was jealous and thought his girl was fucking Obi Wan behind his back. So in one film we realized that Darth Vader was just a fag scared of losing his girl. I really wouldn't mind if in ten years they forget the last three films never happened and start from scratch.
Not to mention that upon watching the original three you realize very early that Lucas did not pre-plan the story or probably even watch the old ones much before writing the new ones.
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
How do you put Sith on par with Jedi? The three new films combined add up to about half of one of the old ones. So here it is
Menace - 0.5
Clone Wars - 1.0
Sith - 1.0
Hope - 5
Empire - 5
Jedi - 5
I like Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith),actually more than Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi).
So a exact rating would be Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 3.9 and Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 3.7 ;) Fuck those fuckings Ewoks >:(
Sith single handedly ruined the greatest cosmic villain of all time.
All those years in between the originals and the prequels we waited to see who Darth Vader was.
What made Anakin Skywalker go from great Jedi to evil Sith.
The first film showed him as a stupid little boy.
The second as a pouting bitch.
And the third revealed that he only turned evil because he was jealous and thought his girl was fucking Obi Wan behind his back.
So in one film we realized that Darth Vader was just a fag scared of losing his girl.
I really wouldn't mind if in ten years they forget the last three films never happened and start from scratch.
Not to mention that upon watching the original three you realize very early that Lucas
did not pre-plan the story or probably even watch the old ones much before writing the new ones.
I see what you're saying.... ;)
I sorta wish Lucas never made them as well,it is what is.... just movies ;). But yes it fucked up the Star wars legacy. :-[ :-\
But you're wrong about one thing though,Lucas had a outline for them.
If you have read the prologue in the "A New Hope" book,you would have known this. ;)
It don't go into details,and it don't touch on Anakins story. But tells Palpatines story and all that political shit.
The one thing that always got me was that in the old films the jedi powers and shit were seen to be a thing of a distant past and not even believed fully by some higher officers with in the Empire. But literally only 17 years had passed since the Jedi were this famous police force. I remember always watching the old films and thinking that the Jedi were gone for decades or maybe even generations, or at least uncertain of what role they played in Anakin's time. And I think they really messed that up with the new films. For starters they should have started the prequels from the timeline of Sith where Anakin is already grown and a Jedi and then explain how he switched, and not only how the Jedi disappeared but really show the magnitude of all the Jedi being gone from the universe. And obviously the early stages of the Empire and the rebellion. The whole thing just ended up being such a mess.
P.S. Ewoks rule.
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
How do you put Sith on par with Jedi? The three new films combined add up to about half of one of the old ones. So here it is
Menace - 0.5
Clone Wars - 1.0
Sith - 1.0
Hope - 5
Empire - 5
Jedi - 5
I like Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith),actually more than Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi).
So a exact rating would be Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 3.9 and Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 3.7 ;) Fuck those fuckings Ewoks >:(
Sith single handedly ruined the greatest cosmic villain of all time.
All those years in between the originals and the prequels we waited to see who Darth Vader was.
What made Anakin Skywalker go from great Jedi to evil Sith.
The first film showed him as a stupid little boy.
The second as a pouting bitch.
And the third revealed that he only turned evil because he was jealous and thought his girl was fucking Obi Wan behind his back.
So in one film we realized that Darth Vader was just a fag scared of losing his girl.
I really wouldn't mind if in ten years they forget the last three films never happened and start from scratch.
Not to mention that upon watching the original three you realize very early that Lucas
did not pre-plan the story or probably even watch the old ones much before writing the new ones.
I see what you're saying.... ;)
I sorta wish Lucas never made them as well,it is what is.... just movies ;). But yes it fucked up the Star wars legacy. :-[ :-\
But you're wrong about one thing though,Lucas had a outline for them.
If you have read the prologue in the "A New Hope" book,you would have known this. ;)
It don't go into details,and it don't touch on Anakins story. But tells Palpatines story and all that political shit.
The one thing that always got me was that in the old films the Jedi powers and shit were seen to
be a thing of a distant past and not even believed fully by some higher officers with in the Empire.
But literally only 17 years had passed since the Jedi were this famous police force.
I remember always watching the old films and thinking that the Jedi were gone for
decades or maybe even generations, or at least uncertain of what role they played in Anakin's time.
And I think they really messed that up with the new films. For starters they should have started
he prequels from the timeline of Sith where Anakin is already grown and a Jedi and then explain how he switched,
nd not only how the Jedi disappeared but really show the magnitude of all the Jedi being gone from the universe.
And obviously the early stages of the Empire and the rebellion. The whole thing just ended up being such a mess.
as I remember it,Ben said Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi's.
But the way it's told make it seem like it was a decade ago,you're right about that.
P.S. Ewoks rule.
Then you will love this one; ;)
Star Wars Ewok Gospel (featuring Billy Dee Williams)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xdd0edT-BeE&hl=en&fs=1
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Braveheart
Return of the Jedi
Empire Strikes Back
The Dark Knight
Gladiator
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I didn't care for gladiator much
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The song is amazing. God bless those little fuzz buckets.
So here's the bottom line; if Lucas had released the first three episodes starting in 1977 with the stories exactly the same then not only would there never be a second trilogy, but we never would have made it to the Clone Wars. The first film would have been such a bust that the best anyone could have hoped for would have been a small cult following that developed a decade later and maybe a comic book adaptation in the 80s.
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The song is amazing. God bless those little fuzz buckets.
:P
So here's the bottom line; if Lucas had released the first three episodes starting in 1977 with the stories exactly the same then not only would there never be a second trilogy, but we never would have made it to the Clone Wars. The first film would have been such a bust that the best anyone could have hoped for would have been a small cult following that developed a decade later and maybe a comic book adaptation in the 80s.
True... I would probably be one those cult fans though :P
I´m a sucker for cheesy movies from that period :P :laugh:
Like;
Logan's Run (1976) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074812/)
(http://www.cantstopwontstop.com/images/logansrun.jpg)
Battlestar Galactica (1978) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077215/)
(http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/images/about/keyart_1978.jpg)
Planet of the Apes (1968) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063442/) and
Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065462/)
(http://creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/planet-of-the-apes-1968-20061208003013495.jpg?w=219&h=300)
(http://www.wingspreadrecords.com/beneath_the_planet_of_the_apes.jpg)
Krull (1983) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085811/)
(http://www.filmsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Krull1.jpg)
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How about the last star fighter?classic!
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anybody here love the OG Star Wars trilogy? I thought it was dope. 8)
:P :laugh:
-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_I:_The_Phantom_Menace) 3/5
-Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones) 3.5/5
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 4/5
-Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back) 5/5
-Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 4/5
Related thread;
The DubCC Star Wars/Clone Wars thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169896.0)
How do you put Sith on par with Jedi? The three new films combined add up to about half of one of the old ones. So here it is
Menace - 0.5
Clone Wars - 1.0
Sith - 1.0
Hope - 5
Empire - 5
Jedi - 5
I like Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith),actually more than Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi).
So a exact rating would be Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith) 3.9 and Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi) 3.7 ;) Fuck those fuckings Ewoks >:(
Sith single handedly ruined the greatest cosmic villain of all time.
All those years in between the originals and the prequels we waited to see who Darth Vader was.
What made Anakin Skywalker go from great Jedi to evil Sith.
The first film showed him as a stupid little boy.
The second as a pouting bitch.
And the third revealed that he only turned evil because he was jealous and thought his girl was fucking Obi Wan behind his back.
So in one film we realized that Darth Vader was just a fag scared of losing his girl.
I really wouldn't mind if in ten years they forget the last three films never happened and start from scratch.
Not to mention that upon watching the original three you realize very early that Lucas
did not pre-plan the story or probably even watch the old ones much before writing the new ones.
I see what you're saying.... ;)
I sorta wish Lucas never made them as well,it is what is.... just movies ;). But yes it fucked up the Star wars legacy. :-[ :-\
But you're wrong about one thing though,Lucas had a outline for them.
If you have read the prologue in the "A New Hope" book,you would have known this. ;)
It don't go into details,and it don't touch on Anakins story. But tells Palpatines story and all that political shit.
Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker Publisher: Del Rey (December 12, 1977) (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Adventures-Luke-Skywalker/dp/0345274768)
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/a2/92/8bd4024128a0047efbd78010._AA240_.L.jpg)
Here´s the prologue I talked about above;
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3405/3178094370_70c1c987bc_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/3178099498_b2337d1d53_b.jpg)
Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Hope_(novel)
Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker is the title of a science fiction novel credited to George Lucas but actually ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster[1] and first published on November 12, 1976 by Del Rey.
The book, which was based upon Lucas' original screenplay for the first Star Wars film, has been published under several titles, first as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, later as simply Star Wars, and most recently as Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, reflecting the retitling of the film that occurred following the announcement that Lucas would film the first three episodes of the Star Wars Saga.
This book was published about six months before the original Star Wars movie was released, which means it was probably written some months prior. At that point, the source material for this story in particular, and the whole Star Wars universe in general, was still somewhat fluid. As a result, it is interesting to note a few points where the story in the book differs from the story that ended up in the movie.
A few scenes are included that were filmed but not included in the final cut of the movie, most notably Luke's scenes with his friends at Tosche Station.
Various small details, such as the callsigns used by the Rebels in the Death Star assault, are different (e.g. Luke is "Blue Five" instead of "Red Five").
Han at one point mentions a Corellian friend named Toccnepil; this is a backward-masking reference to Charles Lippincot, the mastermind of the Star Wars marketing campaign.
"Droids" is spelled with an apostrophe in the front, as if the term is a contraction.
The references to Rebels are listed as rebels.
The stormtroopers board the Tantive IV through the ceiling rather than blasting apart a door.
The prologue says that after Emperor Palpatine rose to power, he was "controlled" by the "boot-lickers he had appointed to high office," implying that he is not evil. However, all other media sources prove he is.
Obi-Wan's death is different in the book in that Vader succeeds in defeating him during their lightsaber duel, while in the film Obi-Wan allows Vader to strike him down, in order to provide Luke and the others a diversion to escape the Death Star.
This is the first time Darth Vader is referenced as a Sith Lord. He is not referenced as such in the movie (in fact the term Sith Lord isn't even mentioned until the first prequel film, The Phantom Menace); although Revenge of the Sith establishes it.
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Nice to see pics of the old book.
Also, I too would have been a big fan of a really bad 70s Phantom Menace.
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Nice to see pics of the old book.
see he had a "outline" for the backstory ;)
sure it wasn't detailed but...... ;) you know ;)
Also, I too would have been a big fan of a really bad 70s Phantom Menace.
:laugh: :laugh:
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^either of you guys know why they filmed them 4-6 & then 1-3? ???
were they ever planning on making the new three? ???
im curious, i never really knew the whole story behind it...
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showdown in little toyko
tha last dragon
nowhere to run
rapid fire
damn weekened at bernies
bonus:
any bruce lee movies
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^either of you guys know why they filmed them 4-6 & then 1-3? ???
were they ever planning on making the new three? ???
im curious, i never really knew the whole story behind it...
;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars
Original trilogy
In 1971, Universal Studios agreed to make American Graffiti and Star Wars in a two-picture contract, although Star Wars was later rejected in its early concept stages. American Graffiti was completed in 1973 and, a few months later, Lucas wrote a short summary called "The Journal of the Whills", which told the tale of the training of apprentice C.J. Thorpe as a "Jedi-Bendu" space commando by the legendary Mace Windy.[19] Frustrated that his story was too difficult to understand, Lucas then wrote a 13-page treatment called The Star Wars, which was a loose remake of Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress.[20] By 1974, he had expanded the treatment into a rough draft screenplay, adding elements such as the Sith, the Death Star, and a young boy as the protagonist named Annikin Starkiller. For the second draft, Lucas made heavy simplifications, and also introduced the young hero on a farm as Luke. Annikin became Luke's father, a wise Jedi knight. The "Force" was also introduced as a supernatural power. The next draft removed the father character and replaced him with a substitute named Ben Kenobi, and in 1976 a fourth draft had been prepared for principal photography. The film was titled Adventures of Luke Starkiller, as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars. During production, Lucas changed Luke's name to Skywalker and altered the title to simply The Star Wars and finally Star Wars.[21]
At that point, Lucas was not expecting the film to become part of a series. The fourth draft of the script underwent subtle changes that made it more satisfying as a self-contained film, ending with the destruction of the Empire itself by way of destroying the Death Star. However, Lucas had previously conceived of the film as the first in a series of adventures. Later, he realised the film would not in fact be the first in the sequence, but a film in the second trilogy in the saga. This is stated explicitly in George Lucas' preface to the 1994 reissue of Splinter of the Mind's Eye:
It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell—three trilogies—and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
The second draft contained a teaser for a never-made sequel about "The Princess of Ondos," and by the time of the third draft some months later Lucas had negotiated a contract that gave him rights to make two sequels. Not long after, Lucas met with author Alan Dean Foster, and hired him to write these two sequels as novels.[22] The intention was that if Star Wars were successful, Lucas could adapt the novels into screenplays.[23] He had also by that point developed a fairly elaborate backstory to aid his writing process.[24]
When Star Wars proved successful, Lucas decided to use the film as the basis for an elaborate serial, although at one point he considered walking away from the series altogether.[25] However, Lucas wanted to create an independent filmmaking center—what would become Skywalker Ranch—and saw an opportunity to use the series as a financing agent.[26] Alan Dean Foster had already begun writing the first sequel novel, but Lucas decided to abandon his plan to adapt Foster's work; the book was released as Splinter of the Mind's Eye the next year. At first Lucas envisioned a series of films with no set number of entries, like the James Bond series. In an interview with Rolling Stone in August 1977, he said that he wanted his friends to each take a turn at directing the films and giving unique interpretations on the series. He also said that the backstory where Darth Vader turns to the dark side, kills Luke's father and fights Ben Kenobi on a volcano as the Galactic Republic falls would make an excellent sequel.
Later that year, Lucas hired science fiction author Leigh Brackett to write Star Wars II with him. They held story conferences and by late November 1977, Lucas had produced a handwritten treatment called The Empire Strikes Back. The treatment is very similar to the final film except that Darth Vader does not reveal he is Luke's father. In the first draft that Brackett would write from this, Luke's father appears as a ghost to instruct Luke.[27]
Brackett finished her first draft in early 1978; Lucas has said he was disappointed with it, but before he could discuss it with her, she died from cancer.[28] With no writer available, Lucas had to write his next draft himself. It was this draft in which Lucas first made use of the "Episode" numbering for the films; Empire Strikes Back was listed as Episode II.[29] As Michael Kaminski argues in The Secret History of Star Wars, the disappointment with the first draft probably made Lucas consider different directions in which to take the story.[30] He made use of a new plot twist: Darth Vader claims to be Luke's father. According to Lucas, he found this draft enjoyable to write, as opposed to the year-long struggles writing the first film, and quickly wrote two more drafts,[31] both in April 1978. He also took the script to a darker extreme by having Han Solo become imprisoned in carbonite and left in limbo.[7]
This new story point of Darth Vader being Luke's father had drastic effects on the series. Michael Kaminski argues in his book that it is unlikely that the plot point had ever seriously been considered or even conceived of before 1978, and that the first film was clearly operating under an alternate storyline where Vader was separate from Luke's father;[32] there is not a single reference to this plot point before 1978. After writing the second and third drafts of Empire Strikes Back in which the point was introduced, Lucas reviewed the new backstory he had created: Anakin Skywalker was Ben Kenobi's brilliant student; he had a child called Luke but was swayed to the dark side by Emperor Palpatine (who became a Sith and not simply a politician). Anakin battled Ben Kenobi on the site of a volcano and was wounded, but then resurrected as Darth Vader. Meanwhile Kenobi hid Luke on Tatooine while the Republic became the Empire and Vader hunted down the Jedi knights.[33]
With this new backstory in place, Lucas decided that the series would be a trilogy, changing Empire Strikes Back from Episode II to Episode V in the next draft.[34] Lawrence Kasdan, who had just completed writing Raiders of the Lost Ark, was then hired to write the next drafts, and was given additional input from director Irvin Kershner. Kasdan, Kershner, and producer Gary Kurtz saw the film as a more serious and adult film, which was helped by the new, darker storyline, and developed the series from the light adventure roots of the first film.[35]
By the time he began writing Episode VI in 1981 (then titled Revenge of the Jedi), much had changed. Making Empire Strikes Back was stressful and costly, and Lucas' personal life was disintegrating. Burnt out, and not wanting to make any more Star Wars films, he vowed that he was done with the series in a May 1983 interview with Time magazine. Lucas' 1981 rough drafts had Darth Vader competing with the Emperor for possession of Luke—and in the second script, the "revised rough draft," Vader became a sympathetic character. Lawrence Kasdan was hired to take over once again and, in these final drafts, Vader was explicitly redeemed and finally unmasked. This change in character would provide a springboard to the "Tragedy of Darth Vader" storyline that underlies the prequels.[36]
Prequel trilogy
After losing much of his fortune in a divorce settlement in 1987, Lucas had no desire to return to Star Wars, and had unofficially canceled his Sequel Trilogy by the time of Return of the Jedi.[37] However the prequels, which were quite developed, continued to fascinate him. After Star Wars became popular once again, in the wake of Dark Horse's comic line and Timothy Zahn's trilogy of novels, Lucas saw that there was still a large audience. His children had begun to grow older, and with the explosion of CGI technology he was now considering returning to directing.[38] By 1993 it was announced, in Variety among other sources, that he would be making the prequels. He began outlining the story, now indicating that Anakin Skywalker would be the protagonist rather than Ben Kenobi, and that the series would be a tragic one examining Anakin's transformation to evil. Lucas also began to change how the prequels would exist relative to the originals — at first they were supposed to be a "filling-in" of history, backstory, existing parallel or tangential to the originals, but now he saw that they could form the beginning of one long story that started with Anakin's childhood and ended with his death. This was the final step towards turning the franchise into a "Saga".[39]
In 1994, Lucas began writing the first screenplay titled Episode I: The Beginning. Following the release of that film, Lucas announced that he would also be directing the next two, and began working on Episode II at that time.[40] The first draft of Episode II was completed just weeks before principal photography, and Lucas hired Jonathan Hales, a writer from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, to polish it up.[41] Unsure of a title, Lucas had jokingly called the film "Jar Jar's Great Adventure."[42] In writing The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas initially decided that Lando Calrissian was a clone and came from a planet of clones which caused the "Clone Wars" mentioned by Kenobi in A New Hope;[43][44] he later came up with an alternate concept of an army of clone shocktroopers from a remote planet which attacked the Republic and were repelled by the Jedi knights.[45] The basic elements of that backstory became the plot basis for Episode II, with the new wrinkle added that the entire event was personal manipulation of Palpatine's.[5]
Lucas began working on Episode III even before Attack of the Clones was released, offering concept artists that the film would open with a montage of seven Clone War battles.[46] As he reviewed the storyline that summer, however, he says he radically re-organized the plot.[47] Michael Kaminski, in The Secret History of Star Wars, offers evidence that issues in Anakin's fall to the dark side prompted Lucas to make massive story changes, first revising the opening sequence to have Palpatine kidnapped and Dooku killed by Anakin as the first act in the latter's turn towards the dark side.[48] After principal photography was complete in 2003, Lucas made even more massive changes in Anakin's character, re-writing his entire turn to the dark side — he would now turn primarily in a quest to save Padme from death, rather than the previous version in which that reason was one of several, including that he genuinely believed that the Jedi were evil and plotting to take over the Republic. This fundamental re-write was accomplished both through editing the principal footage, and new and revised scenes filmed during pick-ups in 2004.[49]
Lucas often exaggerated the amount of material he wrote for the series; much of it stemmed from the post–1978 period when the series grew into a phenomenon. Michael Kaminski explained that these exaggerations were both a publicity and security measure. Kaminski rationalized that since the series' story radically changed throughout the years, it was always Lucas' intention to change the original story retroactively because audiences would only view the material from his perspective.[6][50]
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damn thats crazy your that much into the lucas shit
thats waz up
how much material of star wars do you have in value you think?
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Are their plans to release all 6 movies in a blu ray set?
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yeah eventually but lucas wants to redo the first 3 movies even more by replacing nearly all the backgrounds with CG so basically just having the actors left from the earlier versions. you can already get all the star wars movies in high definition by downloading the HDTV broadcast rips. you could burn blu-rays from them in theory or just watch through a computer.
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damn thats crazy your that much into the Lucas shit
thats waz up
the post above is a quote from;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars ;)
so not my words :laugh: ;)
how much material of star wars do you have in value you think?
:laugh: :laugh:
I don't have a collection to speak off ;) other than the movies,some books and what not :P :laugh: ;)
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^my cousin has a SHITLOAD of Star Wars figures still in the box; some from like the 80's & 90's. :o
anyway, thanks Chad for the read; interesting stuff. ;)
i wonder if they will remake the old movies; i think it would sell.
probably wouldnt be NEAR as good, but with the technology it would be cool to watch.
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yeah eventually but Lucas wants to redo the first 3 movies even more by replacing nearly all the backgrounds with CG so basically just having the actors left from the earlier versions. you can already get all the star wars movies in high definition by downloading the HDTV broadcast rips. you could burn blu-rays from them in theory or just watch through a computer.
didn't South Park or Simpson's do a Episode about that? :laugh:
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thats waz up
jus wonderin cuz I c your surrounded by the star wars like halloween (star wars) never ends
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no order
Borat
Next Friday
Dont Be A Menace
Anchorman
Jackass
ima comedy kinda guy 8)
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thats waz up
jus wondering cuz I c your surrounded by the star wars like halloween (star wars) never ends
that ain't me :laugh:
that's the wonderfull world called google (and youtube) :P ;) :laugh:
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here is my top 5
1. Heat
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Indiana Jones: The Last Crucade
4. The Last Boyscout
5. Die Hard 1-3
8)
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^Heat was a great movie.
last time i was watching the movie i was looking to see if Pacino & De Niro were ever in the same shot.
they had that like dinner scene together, but they never were in the same shot.
unless one of you know, i need to check it again to see if they really werent lol.
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What about the scene at the end when pacino kills deniro?I'm pretty sure they were
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What about the scene at the end when pacino kills deniro?I'm pretty sure they were
but were they in the same shot? like if they froze and shot into a single picture, would either of them be in it together?
they might have been, i just might be crazy lol.
i have to see it again, its been a while. :P