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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: morbidenigma on January 19, 2009, 03:57:14 AM
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or was it a fabrication to evoke sympathy for the creation of an Israel state?
lets look at the facts
1) During world war 2 millions of people were murdered. People of all religions, they wern't specifically targetted cos of there religion, but were executed becos they were perceived as the 'enemy'. Also Nazis didn't specifically target jews, they also killed millions of non-jewish civilians, basically anyone who was seen as a 'threat' to Nazi supremacy.
2) Gas chambers, where allegedlly 1 million jews were murdered have never been discovered.
3) Since World War 2, jews have used the holocaust as a means of monetary gain, not only as a means of gaining reparations from West Germany, but to release countless books and movies.
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To tell you the truth, I really don't know, I think it's feasible that millions of jews did die but I also think it's feasible that the 6 million number is a fraud. Hell why not looting a nations economy is nothing new and it is fact that there are hundreds of billions unclaimed in the holocaust survivors funds because they have been unable to track down any family member connected to the supposed victim. However the bigger point here is how dare this question become a thought crime, I think some people have not fully appreciated what an extremely dangerous precedent this has set.
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I also think it's feasible that the 6 million number is a fraud.
The 6 million deaths have been well documented.
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"Theory"?
I'd laugh at you, but this is way too serious.
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The fact non-Jews were targeted doesn't prove the nazis didn't systematically target Jews. In addition, the fact Israel, its apologists and various Jewish organizations have been using the holocaust for political and financial gain also doesn't prove Jews weren't systematically murdered.I should say that if you look how many of the actual survivors enjoyed the monies extracted you'll discover very sad figures- most of the money went to these blackmailing organizations (Which btw also inflated the numbers of survivors throughout the years for their purposes). Finally, the number of Jews killed according to the best sources we have is closer to five million than to six,something which also doesn't make the crime any less real.
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I agree, however the central point is it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, the point is history should be open to criticism, open to scrutiny and open to questioning.
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thats 6 million figure is greatly exaggerated. If you wanna group death tolls according to religion, what about the 25-30 million christians who lost their lives fighting for their countries..
Also there's no evidence to suggest nazis specifically targetted Jews. The German government has kept extensive and detailed records of all it policies, yet not a single nazi document has ever been found which substantiates or even refers to an extermination program or policy targetting jews.
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I rely on the leading authority on the nazi holocaust-Raul Hilberg-when I argue that there was a systematic killing of Jews. As for missing documents: it is well known the final solution was top secret. I'm not in favor of putting people in jail for holocaust denial, and I think many things are unclear about it, with that being said I see no point in trying to deny that there was a systematic killing of Jews. I don't think any serious person would deny that looking at the evidence. Where did the five something million Jews go? Are they secretly living in Israel? come on, you can do better than this.
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fucking momo. kill yourself.
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well..yea..its not really hard to see hitlers damage..and every naition sat idly by so the kissing of their asses is important in usa's mind..but thats not a problem....the holocaust doesnt really bother me...because out of the bullshit..the ppl have been able to succeed and provide for their familes for generations to come...i wonder what will happen for the ppl who had been taken here without choice..forced to build cities.produced money making industries,got free'd to have a negative light shone over our heads and recieve NO HELP what so ever...lol....wtf...let the jewish ppl rest...they got fucked now they fuckin everyone else...i think its ou turn...
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"theory"? :o
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the holocaust was real
LOL @ the thread
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i know people who lived it so yes i think it's true
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you are a fucking retard homomo, how is the holocoaust a 'theory' ? the big bang is a theory, the holocaust is based on fact and history.
go to poland or germany and peep the museums/camps there
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is personal insults the people can come up with? People should learn how to have a mature discussion or debate before the even consider stepping into the train thought. Dubcc should have a special section for members who know how to have a proper debate/discussion without resort to schoolboy cusses. I can't take anyone serious who resorts to ur a "retard" or a "homo". I may not agree with peoples opinions but i respect them if you say for example.. "its real becos... this reason and that fact".. someone like I TO DA GEEZY im willing to hear out.
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is personal insults the people can come up with? People should learn how to have a mature discussion or debate before the even consider stepping into the train thought. Dubcc should have a special section for members who know how to have a proper debate/discussion without resort to schoolboy cusses. I can't take anyone serious who resorts to ur a "retard" or a "homo". I may not agree with peoples opinions but i respect them if you say for example.. "its real becos... this reason and that fact".. someone like I TO DA GEEZY im willing to hear out.
^^^on point....using the ::) repeatedly is just as bad...back to the arguement...wasnt it the jews specifically who used to have to wear stars on their clothes??...that would point to them being singled out but i wouldnt be suprised to hear the death toll was exaggerated
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yeah the holocaust is definatley a defining point in human history. there is little doubt that the holocaust did take place, witness accounts, film footage, photography etc etc all shows that these concentration camps did exist and mass extermination did happen. But what people forget is that "the holocaust" didnt just involve jews. when we think of the holocaust we automatically think that it was the extermination of all jewish people, it was in fact all "non native" races to germany which included gypsies and foreign beings.
The figure of millions is a intensley disputed topic and there is actually a lot of evidence too suggest the figure to be greatly exaggerated. For whatever reasons the figure is exaggerated is an entirely differend arguement in itself. I mean propaganda was rife in world war 2 from both sides. I forget which scientist it was but he carried out experiments at the extermination camps and one of his findings was that soil samples taking from these sites did not harbor the chemicals that would be required to carry out the extermination on the scale that has been suggested. I will try and find articles on said scientist for y'all to take a look at.
But the killing of 6+ million people would take aboloutley HUGE resources and man power, I mean 6+ million people is a mammoth ammount of people. I also think that people who arnt open to debate on such topics and other history in general are morons in them selves. People need to realise that history insn absoloute TRUTH we are been lied to on a dailybasis now by our governements and we have been lied to for thousands of years.
People need to keep an open mind about such issues but i think theres no denying that extermination did happen its a question on what scale.
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exaggerated so that a few people can extort mind boggling figures from german taxpayers. I think if the mass people consciously stopped to realise what was actually happening to their taxes not just in this sick event of looting of a real tragedy but in general, then most would stop paying their taxes almost overnight but instead most people still think that the taxes actually are spent on maintaining vital services lol yeah right.
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they were only jews.....
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they were only jews.....
meaning?
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they were only jews.....
meaning?
He's anti-semitic.
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^^ nah just anti-jew
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^^ nah just anti-jew
You're a fucking moron.
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That's the problem with this all, there is a lack of understanding on all sides, firstly jews aren't semites, it's a much broader term than that. However secondly, being anti anything based upon the actions of a few is hard to reconcile. I think it's apparent that the holocaust has become a political tool and a weapon to be used in many circumstances against people that disagree with the actions of Israel and the complicity of the american government for instance. However how does that equate to jewish people in general? I think for instance you will find that zionists were preventing jews from leaving Germany. Now clearly this represents significance because it displays tbat jewish people aren't some united "evil" force. Jewish people are as much pawns in this game as anyone else therefore to represent yourself as being against jews is nonsensical. If we go on the premise that jewish people run the planet, which arguably and clearly there are prominent jews in positions of power across the political spectrum, across the media and the entertainment sector, then we must also acknowledge that they are fairly small in number and therefore aren't inclusive of "all jews". There are also whites like the royal family who hold huge sway in power and yet, why not be anti white also?. The fields of opinion in reality are very diverse so therefore attacking another group because of your perceptions of members of that group whether right or wrong, only weakens you and strengthens the very people you are trying to expose/discredit. Plus animosity, whether intense or passive is draining, sweeping blanket contempt is not healthy for you mentally and it's no different to when a jewish rabbi justifies that a jewish life is more important than a palestinian life. It is all a form of dehumanising and therefore is just too destructive, chill man
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or was it a fabrication to evoke sympathy for the creation of an Israel state?
lets look at the facts
1) During world war 2 millions of people were murdered. People of all religions, they wern't specifically targetted cos of there religion, but were executed becos they were perceived as the 'enemy'. Also Nazis didn't specifically target jews, they also killed millions of non-jewish civilians, basically anyone who was seen as a 'threat' to Nazi supremacy.
2) Gas chambers, where allegedlly 1 million jews were murdered have never been discovered.
3) Since World War 2, jews have used the holocaust as a means of monetary gain, not only as a means of gaining reparations from West Germany, but to release countless books and movies.
1. Actually 6 million were murder, the number was taken from a high ranking nazi. Jews received the blunt of the abuse, but many were destroyed in this ignorance induced policy.
2. Gas chambers were found, but remember many death camps used Ovens as the main disbursement.
3.Only Holocaust survivors got money. The Books and Movies are normally been released via Veterans of the war (on both sides) and only a minority are actually from the Jewish stand point. The main one would have to be Anne Franks Dairy.
If you honestly believe half the shit you said, you've been destroyed via propaganda. The over whelming evidence proves the events did happen. You can say "oh it was just 2 million" the fact is, it was still a attempt at Genocide.
The Entire Nazi Germany Experience showed exactly how Dangerous propaganda, Xenophobia, Racism, Government, Fear, and many other factors can result in such destruction. Nazi Germany may of used many of these elements, but each of these elements can still lead to this much destruction on its own.
Fact is fact, and your ass doesn't have to believe it.The events happened, weather or not you accept is your own thing.
You also have to remember several things.
1. The entire Thing was a huge fucking secret. we never found out about this, until near the end of the war when we found the camps.
2. The final Solution was NOT know to Civilians.
3.Jews were the main target, but we have to remember many other religions, races and people were also destroyed. We only bring up the Jewish population, is cause they received the blunt of of the destruction.
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Not to dismiss what you said, but that's too simplistic, take a read at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
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of course the greedy jews made that shit up
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It's that kind of warm unbreakable compassion which makes this such a great place to post thoughts!
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of course the greedy jews made that shit up
I a like how you a hate jew. This a make us friends. Holocaust a very much reals. It a shame Hitler and his a Germans could not a win war. If they a did, jew would be all dead. No more money taking jew. Great success!
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Blasphemy if anything the amount of Zionist Jewish propaganda is 50 times the amount of material on holocaust revisionism
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Blasphemy if anything the amount of Zionist Jewish propaganda is 50 times the amount of material on holocaust revisionism
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hwats that pic supposed to mean?
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facepalm
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hwats that pic supposed to mean?