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Title: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: six 1 nine on January 20, 2009, 01:16:32 PM
a lot of similarities.... the small dude with the deep voice, has more songs about growing up and struggling than he does about poppin bottles, in the club with bitches etc... jay rock spits that thug poetry no doubt just look at his first single "all my life" he coulda took the easy route and got t-pain or akon on a hook to blow up but didnt gotta give homie his props "follow me home" is gonna be a classic no doubt....

 8)
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Hazzard on January 20, 2009, 01:23:40 PM
a lot of similarities....

hell nah, dude is tight tho.
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Post by: west koasting on January 20, 2009, 01:35:41 PM
He's cool but not like pac
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Post by: Prof@ssor on January 20, 2009, 01:40:28 PM
 lol
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Post by: G.F.G. Records on January 20, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
No...
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Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on January 20, 2009, 01:48:58 PM
no way but dude is dope,can't say different  8)
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: akcranker - The Dangerous Crew Movement on January 20, 2009, 02:08:23 PM
Whoa!!  That's quite the comparison.. but umm No.

I agree "All My Life" is a dope track.  And I hope to hear more like it from Jay Rock.. but I haven't heard enough from him to think he's even close to Pac.

Please list other great songs by Jay Rock that I should check out that makes you think he compares to Pac.
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 02:09:24 PM
What do you mean he could have gone the easy route and got akon and t pain?he got lil Wayne and will I am. Lol you can't get any easier then that....and while I Like jay their will never be another pac people need to stop with those comparisons
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: six 1 nine on January 20, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
What do you mean he could have gone the easy route and got akon and t pain?he got lil Wayne and will I am. Lol you can't get any easier then that....and while I Like jay their will never be another pac people need to stop with those comparisons

lol i meant the content of the song its not on some lollipop shit or baby i love u corny shit same goes for bishop's "grow up" but that shit flopped...
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
That's true.grow up had no push what so ever that's why it flopped
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Lunatic on January 20, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
lol a little early for this

i will say i believe jay rock has the most potential to be something big (strictly rap skills wise) though
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: penenstamp on January 20, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
if The Game would have rapped on "All My Life" you wouldn't have heard the difference
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: StreetPoet on January 20, 2009, 03:06:50 PM
no he isn't,hes done fucked it upp dissin X.O. Without Games help i doubt he'll even make it past underground.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
How did he diss hugs and kisses?all he did was say what happened.if anything hugs and kisses is over for being such a little bitch
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: AllCoasts109 on January 20, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
Wow you wack as hell saying he dissed X.O....he didn't even diss X.O., so it's dissing if he speaks the truth about what he saw happen in front of him without twisting anything up? You sound like your just mad somebody that was at the event is saying Bishop fucked up X.O., like you can't accept the fact so anybody that says it you call a hater...that's stupid as fuck.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 20, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
tupac is from new york

they are nothing alike in style nor how they rhyme

your comparisons are only on the surface,and have a fragile undertone to them I can not take them serious do not create threads off random thoughts that pop in your head people are who they are comparisons are weak in general,and are for the weak minded never do something like this again

do not think I am a pac diccryder either he is not in my top ten butthings like this must never exist we must move beyond,and forward
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on January 20, 2009, 07:29:55 PM
can't say that,cause he ain't put out the albums like pac,and got that adulation like the legend, jay rocc is nice tho,it's just the west need to stop with the extra's tho, let jay do what he gonna do yell
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 20, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
real talk thats the same shit





What do you mean he could have gone the easy route and got akon and t pain?he got lil Wayne and will I am. Lol you can't get any easier then that....and while I Like jay their will never be another pac people need to stop with those comparisons
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: AnybodyKilla on January 20, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
LOLLLLLLL Jay Rock aint even a lil dude first of all HAHA and hes no where close to Pac right now, your fucked lol!!!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: The King on January 20, 2009, 08:16:41 PM
Unless you've released an actual album, you fucking suck.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 20, 2009, 08:18:43 PM
haha but Pac was more of a warrior or soldier and spoke for this coast (whether hes from here or not) IMO he spoke for this westcoast region
his attitude was "fuck tha world" and "you cant fuck wit me"  
I think his message and image made more of a impact than his muzik overall!!
of course he sold millions, but he was like the spokesman for this coast and his muzik lives on!!!
but its "FUCK THA WORLD" MUZIK THAT LIVES ON IMO
RIP PAC!!!




LOLLLLLLL Jay Rock aint even a lil dude first of all HAHA and hes no where close to Pac right now, your fucked lol!!!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 08:20:36 PM
2pac was more then just music he was a movement.and one of the most talented actors to ever grace the screen
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 20, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
thats what im sayin
I mean str8 up I dont listen to pac everyday, but Im more about what he was about and thats what I was sayin.
he was about that thug life, or the raw n uncut muzik.  it was more of "poetry" IMO but he TOLD THA INDUSTRY THAT IT WAS GON BE HIS WAY OR NO WAY!!!
THEY BOWED DOWN TO HIM AND LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTED!!!


Jay Rock is goin to lil wayne for help!!! If he can have fans that will buy his muzik, then get at Lil wayne!!!
G Malone is goin to akone and lil wayne for help and puttin out southern muzik!!!




2pac was more then just music he was a movement.and one of the most talented actors to ever grace the screen
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: AnybodyKilla on January 20, 2009, 08:32:27 PM
thats what im sayin
I mean str8 up I dont listen to pac everyday, but Im more about what he was about and thats what I was sayin.
he was about that thug life, or the raw n uncut muzik.  it was more of "poetry" IMO but he TOLD THA INDUSTRY THAT IT WAS GON BE HIS WAY OR NO WAY!!!
THEY BOWED DOWN TO HIM AND LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTED!!!


Jay Rock is goin to lil wayne for help!!! If he can have fans that will buy his muzik, then get at Lil wayne!!!
G Malone is goin to akone and lil wayne for help and puttin out southern muzik!!!




2pac was more then just music he was a movement.and one of the most talented actors to ever grace the screen

Exactly, i don't get how anybody now a days just start comparing these new dudes who ain't even got a album out to legends like Pac.....get the fuck outta here, you sound stupid. But then again these are all the dudes who just got into hip-hop so its all good!!!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 20, 2009, 08:41:33 PM
one of the most talented actors to grace the screen? hahahahaha
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 20, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
yeah I mean do what you gotta jay rock, again if thats what he has to do to sell records or keep his rep or gain his fanbase then thats what it is!!!
but if this is westcoast muzik, then ITS DEATH MUZIK!!!
cuz that aint westcoast muzik!!!
cats say game brought back this coast, (to each is own on that 1) but he was close to gangsta rap!!!  
snoop doog made muzik for "westcoast fans"  
he made, the new shit that he does sexual....that aint westcoast!!!
DONT GET IT TWISTED THO!!
Im not sayin all westcoast rappers should rap about is bitches, gunz, hoes, whips, gang bangin!!!
but what jay rock/g malone are doin is way off the map on the same side as snoop!!!
AGAIN IF THEY CAN SELL, THEN THATS WHAT IT IS!!
they dont care about someone like me (they are others) who dont buy their records, they goin for the lil wayne audience!!!
BUT IM GLAD I HAVE AT LEAST SOME ARTISTS MAKIN DOPE MUZIK THAT ARE FROM THIS COAST!
EXAMPLES OF THEM WOULD BE:
PLANET ASIA
STRONG ARM STEADY
DJ MUGGS
B-REAL
ICE CUBE
WC
BISHOP LAMONT (WHERE'S THE HATERS)
GAME (AT TIMES)
KURUPT (SOUNDS LIKE KURUPT IS BACK ON HIS OUTER SPACE SHIT)

THATS JUS A FEW...






thats what im sayin
I mean str8 up I dont listen to pac everyday, but Im more about what he was about and thats what I was sayin.
he was about that thug life, or the raw n uncut muzik.  it was more of "poetry" IMO but he TOLD THA INDUSTRY THAT IT WAS GON BE HIS WAY OR NO WAY!!!
THEY BOWED DOWN TO HIM AND LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTED!!!


Jay Rock is goin to lil wayne for help!!! If he can have fans that will buy his muzik, then get at Lil wayne!!!
G Malone is goin to akone and lil wayne for help and puttin out southern muzik!!!




2pac was more then just music he was a movement.and one of the most talented actors to ever grace the screen

Exactly, i don't get how anybody now a days just start comparing these new dudes who ain't even got a album out to legends like Pac.....get the fuck outta here, you sound stupid. But then again these are all the dudes who just got into hip-hop so its all good!!!
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: The_Offence on January 20, 2009, 08:50:34 PM
no he isn't,hes done fucked it upp dissin X.O. Without Games help i doubt he'll even make it past underground.
wow these game dick riders make me laugh listen to yourself you sound like fucking idiot
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
Go read critic reviews of every movie 2pac has ever been in points.have you ever actually watched his movies?
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on January 20, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
a lot of similarities....

hell nah, dude is tight but tho.

no homo
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 20, 2009, 09:11:26 PM
haha




no he isn't,hes done fucked it upp dissin X.O. Without Games help i doubt he'll even make it past underground.
wow these game dick riders make me laugh listen to yourself you sound like fucking idiot
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: six 1 nine on January 20, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Whoa!!  That's quite the comparison.. but umm No.

I agree "All My Life" is a dope track.  And I hope to hear more like it from Jay Rock.. but I haven't heard enough from him to think he's even close to Pac.

Please list other great songs by Jay Rock that I should check out that makes you think he compares to Pac.

Jay Rock - Living In The Projects
http://www.zshare.net/audio/5443461718f0a5a2/

 8)
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Nelson Muntz on January 20, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
Go read critic reviews of every movie 2pac has ever been in points.have you ever actually watched his movies?

i dono man i didn't think he was a great actor but he wasn't bad... his movies have always seemed sort of cheap to me, in the production side

Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 20, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
Get his ghost of a dick out of your mouth.  Tupac wasn't one of the most talented actors in the history of shit...except for rappers turned into acting and there has only been one good one - Will Smith.  Common has yet to prove his chops.  All he's done is just stand around with guns, big fucking deal. 

The truth about Tupac has been corrupted by faggots like you.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 20, 2009, 11:07:10 PM
2pac was more then just music he was a movement.and one of the most talented actors to ever grace the screen

 :grumpy: :sign_banhim: :sign_withstupid:

Pac diccryders get on my nerves because they say stupid shit like this

I think he can rap so that makes him one of the best in everything
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Mietek23 on January 20, 2009, 11:18:56 PM
Jay Rock is a very talented rapper, one of the best from the west - no question bout that. But you can't compare him to Tupac, atleast not now... Let's see what kind of legacy he'll have - than we can start compare him to 'Pac.

Tupac was and still is in his own ligue - y'all can question his rhyming and acting skills but the truth is, he was a fuckin' genius and his work ethic is unfuckwitable til this day..!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 20, 2009, 11:27:06 PM
Do you guys want me to start posting quotes from the most respected movie critics backing up my statement?
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: manson on January 21, 2009, 02:12:39 AM
Recently, it's only a few songs by him that i like. But when i listen to "i cant complain" even if it's 2 or 3 years old, i think this guy can be as good as ANYBODY
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 04:10:48 AM
Do you guys want me to start posting quotes from the most respected movie critics backing up my statement?
Marlon Brando,Jack Nicholson,Al Pacino,Robert DeNiro,Tommy Lee Jones,Harrison Ford,Samuel L Jackson

Pac his acting was up there right?

Idiot
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 21, 2009, 06:01:52 AM
Do you guys want me to start posting quotes from the most respected movie critics backing up my statement?
Marlon Brando,Jack Nicholson,Al Pacino,Robert DeNiro,Tommy Lee Jones,Harrison Ford,Samuel L Jackson

Pac his acting was up there right?

Idiot

And the list goes on.

If anything critics were shocked at his acting because Pac presented the image of a thug to the public and he was a black rapper. 


Nuff said, now stop acting like his bitch.
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: Hazzard on January 21, 2009, 06:39:34 AM
a lot of similarities....

hell nah, dude is tight but tho.

no homo

 :laugh: i was fucking tired when i wrote that
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: StreetPoet on January 21, 2009, 07:48:19 AM
no he isn't,hes done fucked it upp dissin X.O. Without Games help i doubt he'll even make it past underground.
wow these game dick riders make me laugh listen to yourself you sound like fucking idiot
If  he dont dickridin then Why is Jay Rock sayin that X.O got knocked out when he only had a scratch ???This nigga has the bitch boy genre like his cousin Spider Loc...... :grumpy: "Game dickrider" there you have it. 
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 08:09:45 AM
Of course you can't compare him to someone who's been acting for what over 40 years.but do do you really think Harrison ford and Samuel are two of the best?garrison is a glorified action star.and samuel is the lil Wayne of the music industry.and he plays almost of his roles as the same character
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 08:17:56 AM
I could post up 100 quotes from critics praising his acting skills and you would still call me a dick rider or whatever.just like he's in almost every critics top 5 as a rapper but some people will still say a bunch of nonsense.their called haters I believe
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Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 08:48:10 AM
2pac > Jesus
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Post by: NillerTheKid on January 21, 2009, 09:23:09 AM
2pac > Jesus
:laugh:
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 09:36:58 AM
2pac is a religon.and now to read from the holy book of pac.album three,track 8 verse 1:and with weed smoke in the air he saideth untoth to the people "I smoke a blunt to take the pain outAnd if I wasn't high, I'd probably try to blow my brains out"
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: 2euce 7even on January 21, 2009, 10:20:10 AM
"if i die" is dope than "all my life" IMO.

and no, jay rock is D-O-P-E but pac is a L-E-G-E-N-D
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: BigEEE on January 21, 2009, 10:28:44 AM
Before you claim Jay the next Pac, step 1 needs to get taken care of 1st.

1st step: release a classic album

then after step 1, there's about 50 more steps. So hold your horses and let Jay Rock develop.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 21, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
I could post up 100 quotes from critics praising his acting skills and you would still call me a dick rider or whatever.just like he's in almost every critics top 5 as a rapper but some people will still say a bunch of nonsense.their called haters I believe

okay, go post the 100 different critics quotes.  I want to see the critics top 5 lists.

 I'll say this if any rapper was going to become a big movie star (exception will smith and as a minor movie start mos def) it would probably would've been Tupac.  Today, Common might arise to a role that's more then a henchman and 50 Cent might actually show the world another side of his artistic ability with Cheetah Visions.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 12:02:24 PM
I said top 5 as a rapper...and like I said even if I did it wouldn't matter..but seeing as how I do all my posts on this forum from my phone while I'm at work I don't have the time.that and I don't really care all that much.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Hatesrats™ on January 21, 2009, 12:30:47 PM
Who?  :-X
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 12:59:45 PM
I could post up 100 quotes from critics praising his acting skills and you would still call me a dick rider or whatever.just like he's in almost every critics top 5 as a rapper but some people will still say a bunch of nonsense.their called haters I believe
it is they're not their

Pac is not a top five rapper he is not even in my top ten you are a diccryder but you know that Pac could never do anything wrong Kevin Spacey,Russell Crowe,Denzel Washington Pac is better actors than them too
Title: Re: JAY ROCK THE BEST THING SINCE PAC???
Post by: KC-HOODSTA on January 21, 2009, 01:01:17 PM
lol a little early for this

i will say i believe jay rock has the most potential to be something big (strictly rap skills wise) though

co sign this
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
Just out of curiousty who's in your top ten yeappp?
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Gamestarr on January 21, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
I really think Jay Rock is overrated as fuck.. dude has NO breath control at all.. He raps like hes mentally challenged at the slowest pace ever.. really a sleepy flow.. and even though he rappin like he was 90 years old you can hear him catch his breath after EVERY line.. smh..
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: All-Eyez-On-Me on January 21, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
Watch Jay Rock's Daily Video Blog on the Kyte Player posted on the page. We are going to do contests for the most embeds soon so make sure you got the player posted on yo page so you know when the contest is going down. ANd make sure to check out Jay Rock live every Friday to answer fan questions.

8 pm

http://www.kyte.tv/ch/179508-jayrock
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 01:30:54 PM
Just out of curiousty who's in your top ten yeappp?

in order

Nas
Rakim
Crooked I
Ice Cube
Big Pun
Jay-Z
Biggie
Kool G Rap
Scarface
Canibus

debate any of them you will look foolish I do not want to hear about but pac impact blah blah blah material is my only criteria what you have spit is all that matters esp Jay,Rakim,Nas have a heavy ass impact as well
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: LooN3y on January 21, 2009, 01:35:16 PM
a lot of similarities.... the small dude with the deep voice, has more songs about growing up and struggling than he does about poppin bottles, in the club with bitches etc... jay rock spits that thug poetry no doubt just look at his first single "all my life" he coulda took the easy route and got t-pain or akon on a hook to blow up but didnt gotta give homie his props "follow me home" is gonna be a classic no doubt....

 8)


fuck no, if ur comparin pac, but if not than i gotta say the best thing since pac is ya boy
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
Just out of curiousty who's in your top ten yeappp?

in order

Nas
Rakim
Crooked I
Ice Cube
Big Pun
Jay-Z
Biggie
Kool G Rap
Scarface
Canibus

debate any of them you will look foolish I do not want to hear about but pac impact blah blah blah material is my only criteria what you have spit is all that matters esp Jay,Rakim,Nas have a heavy ass impact as well

Mos Def,Eminem,Big Daddy Kane are better than Pac too shit Royce is better than Pac too so there is fourteen better than your god
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
Fair enough.I mean your top 10 is alright and ill give you props for crooked I.but in all seriousness what do you base your top 10 on?I mean almost everyone on your list bites 2pacs lyrics and style in some way or another.canibus is dope for straight bars but he has no song writing ability what so ever and his albums are usually piss poor.anyone who has notorious big in their list is just caught up in the hype.sure he had some clever lyrics but he had no meaning behind any of it.he had two albums.and the second one was a big drop off from the first he was becoming a pop artist.and jay z?your kidding me?he is the definition of a pop artist.all style no substance.he makes pop records for Teent boppers.he takes pacs me and my gf and re makes it into a straight bubble gum bullshit.not to mention he helped usher in the jiggy era of rap which is why mainstream hip hop is where it is now.I don't know man I just find it funny that most of your list is Influenced by pac,bites his lyrics and re makes his songs.pac had songs for whatever mood you are in.he's the most emulated and bit artist of all time.not to mention the top selling hip hop artist of all time.if you said bar for bar lyrically nah he aint the best.but he substance and purpose.I mean if you want bar for bar thiers a lot of rappers better then big.none of the rappers you list besides nas show any depth.sure their clever but hearing about money drugs and women over and over is tiresome.shit I bet if you asked all living members of your list who their top 5 is pac would be in every one of them.2pac was a once in a lifetime artist.how many people rap about the same tired bullshit as the artist on your list?what because they can say Ill kill you in a more clever way that makes them the best?
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
I mean to each their own but you sound like you enjoy style over substance.that's fine I just like my music to have substance to it.I enjoy music that moves me
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 01:59:51 PM
Fair enough.I mean your top 10 is alright and ill give you props for crooked I.but in all seriousness what do you base your top 10 on?I mean almost everyone on your list bites 2pacs lyrics and style in some way or another.canibus is dope for straight bars but he has no song writing ability what so ever and his albums are usually piss poor.anyone who has notorious big in their list is just caught up in the hype.sure he had some clever lyrics but he had no meaning behind any of it.he had two albums.and the second one was a big drop off from the first he was becoming a pop artist.and jay z?your kidding me?he is the definition of a pop artist.all style no substance.he makes pop records for Teent boppers.he takes pacs me and my gf and re makes it into a straight bubble gum bullshit.not to mention he helped usher in the jiggy era of rap which is why mainstream hip hop is where it is now.I don't know man I just find it funny that most of your list is Influenced by pac,bites his lyrics and re makes his songs.pac had songs for whatever mood you are in.he's the most emulated and bit artist of all time.not to mention the top selling hip hop artist of all time.if you said bar for bar lyrically nah he aint the best.but he substance and purpose.I mean if you want bar for bar thiers a lot of rappers better then big.none of the rappers you list besides nas show any depth.sure their clever but hearing about money drugs and women over and over is tiresome.shit I bet if you asked all living members of your list who their top 5 is pac would be in every one of them.2pac was a once in a lifetime artist.how many people rap about the same tired bullshit as the artist on your list?what because they can say Ill kill you in a more clever way that makes them the best?

another mans opinion does not mean shit to me in all honesty I love Joe Budden he recently said Pac was goat it means jacc shit to me Biggie was better story teller than Pac,had ten times better delivery,five times better cadence,he was melodic,and dope more so than Snoop on the Chronic or any other rapper in history it is not hype it was that he delivered add that Life After Death>All Eyes On Me and Ready To Die>Me Against The World (which was Pac's album) you my friend are caught up in Pac's hype

Tupac could never go bar for bar with Canibus do not even play that role poet lauerate 2>any single song in Pac's catalogue

Jay-Z:Where I'm From,You Must Love Me,Can I Live,Rap Game/Crack Game,Soon You'll Understand,All I Need,Song Cry, none of that shit is teeny bopper anything,and I could name more songs add that he had a better flow than Pac,and is 100X better with words for the record Reasonable DOubt> Any Tupac Record

shit Budden is better than Pac there 15 rappers better than Pac just my opinion if they all have Pac in their top five that is coo that is their opinion but I could state anyone I choose over Pac for good reasons lol @ me knowing you would site influence over talent,and ability



Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 02:04:53 PM
If pac isn't all that then why do all your favorites bite him?you enjoy shallow music with nothing behind it.enough said.I mean the fact you put canibus in you top ten is pretty telling
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 02:06:07 PM
If pac isn't all that then why do all your favorites bite him?you enjoy shallow music with nothing behind it.enough said.I mean the fact you put canibus in you top ten is pretty telling
you worship a back up dancer turned super thug who never retaliated against those who shot him
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
And is influence is just a part of the legacy you can't ignore it.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 02:10:11 PM
And is influence is just a part of the legacy you can't ignore it.

I do not outside of Rakim no one has influenced shit like Pac period do not get me twisted I love Pac's music All Eyes On Me is a top ten Album,and Seven Day Theory is my shit but it comes down to who you like that is why GOAT will never exist but Royce said it best when he said

"you should never put the legends in order"
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 02:15:18 PM
Like I said its each mans opinion.you have yours that's fine nothing wrong with a little argueing now and then.I mean at least we had a civilized discussion and it didn't fall apart into pointless beaking.makes me respect you at least.In the end an opinion is an opinion and nobody is right or wrong.but your still an idiot...ha ha I'm just bugging ya ha ha
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 21, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
What's you top ten?
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 02:31:55 PM
In no ordee,2pac,chuck d,pharoah monch(as a solo artist and in organized konfusion),black thought,rakim,krs one,kool g rap,big daddy kane,nas, and scarface....I'd put people like crooked I on my list but he doesn't have albums to back up his art yet
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 21, 2009, 02:38:41 PM
I dig both of your lists because I bump and recognize the varying degrees of skills and influences of the artists.   

Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 02:53:46 PM
In no ordee,2pac,chuck d,pharoah monch(as a solo artist and in organized konfusion),black thought,rakim,krs one,kool g rap,big daddy kane,nas, and scarface....I'd put people like crooked I on my list but he doesn't have albums to back up his art yet

I liek your list Chuck D for what he has done does not get the respect he deserves,Black Thought is dope too so is Monch but if you asked them all about Canibus they would also tell you dude is not one to be fucced with Nas was scared to get on Desperados,Kool G Rap loves Canibus,Bis killed Monch but yeah more depth than just you lovin Pac you got some nice taste

but he still was not one of the all time great actors he was better than some but the dudes I listed come on
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: thebayinthebildin on January 21, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
yea jay rock is dope he aint no fuckin pac tho?

im sayin his dude ab-soul is fucking amazing tho. this fool has the dirtiest flow/concepts/lyrics ive heard in a while.

if u havent already go grab that ab-soul tape. he reminds me of a jay-z flow on steroids.

and k.dot is fuckin nasty too. his freestyle on 3 peat was amazing how he counted down from 25 to 1.
im sayin to whole top dawg click is fuckin dope they put out some of the best shit out.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
Alright Ill admit that I meant to write talented and not greatest.I just ran with it because well why not its a forum lol.I do agree canibus is dope.2nd round knock out is in my top 5 diss songs of all time he slaughtered ll.I felt lls diss was weak.and I remember that time when everybody was scared to get on a track with bis for fear of being putshined.that track him and pharoah did together was lyrical homicide
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
Snd maybe I get flack for this because he's not technically hip hop but zach de la rocha is in my 20 and shits on most rappers
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 03:06:35 PM
yea jay rock is dope he aint no fuckin pac tho?

im sayin his dude ab-soul is fucking amazing tho. this fool has the dirtiest flow/concepts/lyrics ive heard in a while.

if u havent already go grab that ab-soul tape. he reminds me of a jay-z flow on steroids.

and k.dot is fuckin nasty too. his freestyle on 3 peat was amazing how he counted down from 25 to 1.
im sayin to whole top dawg click is fuckin dope they put out some of the best shit out.

yeah Herb has always been dope though like I said before outside of myself he has the best word play from what I have heard in California,and since I aint put nothing out there I will not take that from that man Long Term is amazing shit you can ask him about Bis too shit ask Bishop Lamont about Canibus I know for a fact they listen to dude
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
Alright Ill admit that I meant to write talented and not greatest.I just ran with it because well why not its a forum lol.I do agree canibus is dope.2nd round knock out is in my top 5 diss songs of all time he slaughtered ll.I felt lls diss was weak.and I remember that time when everybody was scared to get on a track with bis for fear of being putshined.that track him and pharoah did together was lyrical homicide

it coo everybody but Pun was scared like that,and LL but LL has that Snoop insecurity issue you already a legend why you want what another dude got (LL wanted that recognition for lyrics like Bis was getting bac in the day Canibus spoke on it before he put Second Round KO of LL telling him "I Want What You Got") Snoop same thing with Crooked for whatever reason that whacc mothfucca is looked on as a legend but lyrically he could never touch Crooked not even if snoop lived another 100 years,and practiced every day for that amount of time
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
I agree completely.if you took doggystyle away from snoop he is nothing.and doggystle he gets too much credit for.I mean yeah its his album but that album was a team project.a lot of peoples hearts went into making that album.that's why snoop can't recreate it because he wasn't that good to begin with.as a team deathrow couldn't be fucked with.bar for bar crooked is my true number one emcee of all time.but he doesn't have any albums...but ill tell you this I listen to hip hop weeklies more then I listen to any other rappers albuma
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 03:49:19 PM
I agree completely.if you took doggystyle away from snoop he is nothing.and doggystle he gets too much credit for.I mean yeah its his album but that album was a team project.a lot of peoples hearts went into making that album.that's why snoop can't recreate it because he wasn't that good to begin with.as a team deathrow couldn't be fucked with.bar for bar crooked is my true number one emcee of all time.but he doesn't have any albums...but ill tell you this I listen to hip hop weeklies more then I listen to any other rappers albuma

if you created an all-time west coast top ten Snoop is not in it,shit an LA county all-time top ten he is not in it everybody stuck in the past that album takes people back to their childhood which is coo we all love shit that does that but outside of that dude is horrible plus niggas out here act like he is special I laugh in these dudes faces Aceyalone should get more props out here esp considering how creative he is,and with Project Blow in Leimert Park being an avunue for niggas who do not got deals to go there,and rap with other dope rappers in the fuccing hood (incase anyone who is not from out here Leimert Park is in the mothfuccin hood straight up) so I will never understand anything beyond the childhood complex
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 21, 2009, 03:56:03 PM
Holy fuck its nice to find someone that knows what up in regards to snoop.all the dpg lovers in this forum is nauseating
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 21, 2009, 04:17:07 PM
Holy fuck its nice to find someone that knows what up in regards to snoop.all the dpg lovers in this forum is nauseating

DOC should get the props Snoop does
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 21, 2009, 04:31:31 PM
damn Im suprised theres a few cats that think pac wasnt the best
crazy (but many will debate) that pac was the best rapper ever and will always be!!

haha puttin canibus up there..thats waz up

as i said i think he was more of our "president of this coast" than a big tyme rapper
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: dolo on January 22, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
man fuck pac!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
The thing is thoug pac made all eyez on me in two weeks and makavelli in one week.biggie couldn't make an album as good as those in that amount of time.he would work on one track for a month
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: westside159 on January 22, 2009, 08:58:33 PM
WHAT THE HELL ?   Whoever made this thread needs to have a Mental evaluation soon  . like PAC ?  Nigga Pleeeease ...  not even close bro. :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 22, 2009, 08:59:52 PM

haha



man fuck pac!
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 22, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
The thing is thoug pac made all eyez on me in two weeks and makavelli in one week.biggie couldn't make an album as good as those in that amount of time.he would work on one track for a month

naw not really a month lol more like a morning after a party but it does not matter how long it takes what matters is quality I could care less if it takes five minutes five hours or five days as long as the out come is dope
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 10:28:11 PM
I don't know man I re listened to life after death today and its just not that good.too many pop tracks.too much puffy ad libing
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 22, 2009, 10:29:17 PM
and there you have it



I don't know man I re listened to life after death today and its just not that good.too many pop tracks.too much puffy ad libing
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 22, 2009, 10:30:51 PM
I don't know man I re listened to life after death today and its just not that good.too many pop tracks.too much puffy ad libing


you buggin
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
Nah man I mean like ten crack commandments and kick in the door are classic tracks.but then half the album is candy ass pop beats with puffys annoying ad Libs.I mean I respect bigs lyrics but he doesn't make me feel any emotion at all.ready to die is classic but this album is way overrated
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 22, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Nah man I mean like ten crack commandments and kick in the door are classic tracks.but then half the album is candy ass pop beats with puffys annoying ad Libs.I mean I respect bigs lyrics but he doesn't make me feel any emotion at all.ready to die is classic but this album is way overrated

niggas bleed,somebody gotta die,story to tell,notorious thugs,downfall,you're nobody til somebody kills you,long kiss goodnight,skys the limit,the world is filled,going back to cali,hypnotize

do you want me to continue name the traccs that are corny shit mo money mo problems Big had a dope verse on it name me the traccs homie love the dough was aiight shit the tracc with the lox was aiight Styles,and Big had dope verses you buggin again
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 10:53:48 PM
I'm not bugging its how I feel and I'm not the only one.I skip half the album basically every time I listen to it. I mean just on disc one that joint with the lox was whack,I love the dough has a terrible beat and cheesey chorus,fucking you tonight is lame...Its just too much of a pop album for me.yeah it has some great songs but it could easily be slimmed into one album
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 22, 2009, 10:57:25 PM
real shit!!
biggie was too overhyped, beyond....




I'm not bugging its how I feel and I'm not the only one.I skip half the album basically every time I listen to it. I mean just on disc one that joint with the lox was whack,I love the dough has a terrible beat and cheesey chorus,fucking you tonight is lame...Its just too much of a pop album for me.yeah it has some great songs but it could easily be slimmed into one album
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: points on January 22, 2009, 11:10:58 PM
I don't think there's anything with pop tracks.  It's an area that's got to be fulfilled by somebody.  Not everything should be raw.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 22, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
right but biggie was too hip hop
to each is own
everyonen got they own hip hop they like guess




I don't think there's anything with pop tracks.  It's an area that's got to be fulfilled by somebody.  Not everything should be raw.
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 11:16:59 PM
If Wu tang clans forever was cluttered with garbage like that pop shit you would be singing a different tune I bet.the problem is we Lose good hip hop artist to hip pop.like ll cool j for example
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 22, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
If Wu tang clans forever was cluttered with garbage like that pop shit you would be singing a different tune I bet.the problem is we Lose good hip hop artist to hip pop.like ll cool j for example

on a different note we might get to hear crooked on an original Dj Premiere beat thanks to slaughterhouse but yeah I get you personally it is the best double disc just my opinion but who knows where his career would have gone can not speculate could have ended up like Raekwon and Ghost you never know

just do not but I get you LL fell off
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 22, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
Crooked I over a premo beat has always been my dream combo.I hope just blaze offers them a beat for the project as well.where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: yeapp on January 22, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Crooked I over a premo beat has always been my dream combo.I hope just blaze offers them a beat for the project as well.where did you hear that?

I was just thinking Premo works with Royce alot,and if they wanted a beat I think Premo would be amped to hear what they could do over a beat some shit like ten crack commandments or above the clouds or watch how it goes down they would kill it did you hear hip hop weekly ten you know my steez goodness needs to happen
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 23, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
Yeah crook went in on that one.same as when he went in on thank god for that white beat
Title: Re: Jay rock the best thing since pac?
Post by: ThatSICCNESS on January 23, 2009, 12:31:12 AM
lol...