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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on February 28, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
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This is great news for the Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!
FOXBOROUGH, Massachusetts (Ticker)—The New England Patriots on Saturday traded quarterback Matt Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs.
It was the second trade in as many days between the clubs, which turned into a package deal of Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel for Kansas City’s second-round pick (No. 34) this year.
New Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, the former Patriots’ personnel director, engineered the deals with New England in an attempt to turn around a downtrodden team that finished a franchise-worst 2-14 last season.
“I have a long history with both players,” Pioli said. “Mike and Matt are men that I respect both personally and professionally. I look forward to having them as new members of the Chiefs family.”
Cassel was designated as the Patriots’ franchise player earlier this month, guaranteeing him a $14.65 million for next season.
After stepping in for incumbent starter Tom Brady, who was lost for the year with a knee injury in the season opener, Cassel turned in an outstanding season for the Patriots.
In his first season as a starter since high school, Cassel completed over 63 percent of his passes for 3,693 yards, 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions after taking over for Brady.
Cassel played superbly down the stretch, throwing eight TDs and just one interception as New England won its final four games to finish with an 11-5 record.
“It is very easy to root for guys like Matt Cassel, who do everything the right way and flourish as a result,” Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said. “As much as we would have loved to continue working with Matt, we wish him nothing but the best as he takes this next step forward in his career.”
Quarterback was a major trouble spot for the Chiefs, who started three quarterbacks during a franchise-worst 2-14 campaign.
Tyler Thigpen got the bulk of the starts in the second half and played decently, but the Chiefs lost six of their last 10 games by seven points or fewer.
On Friday, the teams announced that Vrabel had been dealt to the Chiefs for an undisclosed draft choice.
Vrabel, 33, had four sacks last season, his eighth with the Patriots and 12th overall. He had a career-high 12 1/2 sacks in 2007.
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Go Chiefs!
Also, Go Bills, Jets, and Phins!
Go losing record for Pats!
Go Pats if Brady gets injured again.
Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
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Go Chiefs!
Also, Go Bills, Jets, and Phins!
Go losing record for Pats!
Go Pats if Brady gets injured again.
Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
I hope your right
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Chiefs just got Matt Cassel and linebacker for just second round pick!
linebacker? i think that mike vrabel is more than just a ordinary linebacker
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this is a steal for the Chiefs. I think my Raiders havent realized that free agency has started lol
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this is a steal for the Chiefs. I think my Raiders havent realized that free agency has started lol
Now all they need is Ray Lewis.
My dream situation for next year is Ray goes to the Jets who also pick up Garcia and win the East, then play the Chiefs in the Division Finals, while New England goes 7-9 with Tom Terrific.
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this is a steal for the Chiefs. I think my Raiders havent realized that free agency has started lol
Now all they need is Ray Lewis.
My dream situation for next year is Ray goes to the Jets who also pick up Garcia and win the East, then play the Chiefs in the Division Finals, while New England goes 7-9 with Tom Terrific.
I wouldnt be surprised to see the Broncos pick up Lewis. I think they still have a good amount of cap space after ALL of their signings.
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Chiefs just got Matt Cassel and linebacker for just second round pick!
linebacker? i think that mike vrabel is more than just a ordinary linebacker
school me then... because I honestly don't know much about him. All I know is that Kansas City's linebacking core was awful last year, and that if we picked up a starter from New England that's a huge upgrade to the weakest position on our team.
Also, the Chiefs aren't done yet. I think they are some 40 million under the cap. They basically hired the black man (Herm Edwards) to run the team into the ground, get low draft picks, rebiuld and make cap space; so that the white men (Piloli and Haley) could come in and turn this team into an AFC powerhouse much like the Patriots.
So, I'm looking for them to go after the free agent linebacker of the Buccaneers, or maybe a second wide receiver like Hushmenzadah to compliment Dwayne Bowe, and then with their #3 pick in the draft they will pick up the top linemen in the draft to protect Cassel.
If all that takes place we will definitely be in the playoffs next year.
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Its an early second rounder albeit. I still don't think it is a good deal for Cassel. Vrabel is old now and I'm not too worried about that part of it. I am worried about the insurace if Brady gets hurt again.
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Its an early second rounder albeit. I still don't think it is a good deal for Cassel. Vrabel is old now and I'm not too worried about that part of it. I am worried about the insurace if Brady gets hurt again.
I dont get this deal at all for the Patriots. Not too long ago they were saying it would be expensive for anyone to get Cassel. Im talkin expensive as in an early first round pick, and no less then a 3rd round pick as well. then they let him go for JUST the 34th pick in the draft?
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Its an early second rounder albeit. I still don't think it is a good deal for Cassel. Vrabel is old now and I'm not too worried about that part of it. I am worried about the insurace if Brady gets hurt again.
I dont get this deal at all for the Patriots. Not too long ago they were saying it would be expensive for anyone to get Cassel. Im talkin expensive as in an early first round pick, and no less then a 3rd round pick as well. then they let him go for JUST the 34th pick in the draft?
im guess therre doin this for a money aspect and there goin to try and get a big guy into new england
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I have a gut feeling that they may be clearing cap space and there wheeling and dealing aren't over. Julius Peppers is on the market I believe.
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Chiefs '09? ;D
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Julius Peppers is on the market I believe.
dont think so
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Go Chiefs!
Also, Go Bills, Jets, and Phins!
Go losing record for Pats!
Go Pats if Brady gets injured again.
Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
They should have a losing record this season. They don't face the AFC & NFC worst this year. THey face the AFC & NFC South. And ask the Packers about those 2 divisions. Favre or no Favre they wouldn't have went 13-3 in 2008 anyway. Wasn't Thigpen good enuff? Coulda built the team around him. Don't make trades with the enemy, keep them down. Although if I knew that they were willing to take a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st, I wish the Vikings woulda made the trade >:(
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Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
Nah. They still need a year to mesh and make it work. They'll probably go 7-9.
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Chiefs just got Matt Cassel and linebacker for just second round pick!
linebacker? i think that mike vrabel is more than just a ordinary linebacker
school me then... because I honestly don't know much about him. All I know is that Kansas City's linebacking core was awful last year, and that if we picked up a starter from New England that's a huge upgrade to the weakest position on our team.
Also, the Chiefs aren't done yet. I think they are some 40 million under the cap. They basically hired the black man (Herm Edwards) to run the team into the ground, get low draft picks, rebiuld and make cap space; so that the white men (Piloli and Haley) could come in and turn this team into an AFC powerhouse much like the Patriots.
So, I'm looking for them to go after the free agent linebacker of the Buccaneers, or maybe a second wide receiver like Hushmenzadah to compliment Dwayne Bowe, and then with their #3 pick in the draft they will pick up the top linemen in the draft to protect Cassel.
If all that takes place we will definitely be in the playoffs next year.
The black man took them to the playoffs not that long ago.
Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
Nah. They still need a year to mesh and make it work. They'll probably go 7-9.
If Miami can go 11-5 after going 1-15 in the AFC East then KC can go 9-7 next year and that can be enough for playoff spot in that shitty division. If they were in any other division I'd say no.
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Julius Peppers is on the market I believe.
dont think so
The phrase I believe was insinuating that I wasn't 100% sure. Thanks for playing.
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Chiefs '09? ;D
Who knows, anything is possible with Scott Piloli (GM brought in from Patriots) and Haley (former Arizona offensive coordinator) running things. But I think they still have a long way to go before they will be on the same level with the top tier AFC teams, like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Titans, Colts. I do think they can reach the second tier of AFC teams; which is the Dolphins, Chargers, Jets, etc.
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Go Chiefs!
Also, Go Bills, Jets, and Phins!
Go losing record for Pats!
Go Pats if Brady gets injured again.
Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
They should have a losing record this season. They don't face the AFC & NFC worst this year. THey face the AFC & NFC South. And ask the Packers about those 2 divisions. Favre or no Favre they wouldn't have went 13-3 in 2008 anyway. Wasn't Thigpen good enuff? Coulda built the team around him. Don't make trades with the enemy, keep them down. Although if I knew that they were willing to take a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st, I wish the Vikings woulda made the trade >:(
Good point about the Chiefs having a tough schedule. Yeah, I agree, If I had to guess I'd say the Chiefs will probably end at around 7-9; which is still a great improvement from 2-14.
Also, about the Vikings, they are my second favorite team; everyone in KC was really sad to lose Jared Allen; so the city roots for him to do well in Minnesota. I heard the Vikings picked up a solid QB from the Texans, I think he will end up being a starter for them and have success against 8 man fronts defenses set up to stop Peterson. Vikings may go to the Superbowl this year.
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Chiefs are going to the playoffs next season. Guarantee it.
Nah. They still need a year to mesh and make it work. They'll probably go 7-9.
Agreed. Chiefs will probably go 7-9, but I'd be happy with that after having to put up with Herm Edwards the last few years. He straight up told the Chiefs fans in a press conference that they had been spoiled with winning, and that they needed to learn to get used to losing... lol
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The black man took them to the playoffs not that long ago.
No, what Herm Edwards did was, he took Dick Vermiel's team to the playoffs with a 9-7 record. The year before he took over they were 10-6 and they were the #1 ranked offense in football; the last two years they were the worst offense in football. But even more pathetic than that; is that Herm Edwards was supposed to be some defensive guru, and Dick Vermiel was critisized for neglecting the defense. The Chiefs defense was around #18 in the league in defense when Vermiel left, and Herm had the team for 3 years and guess where they're defense ranked at the end of last year???? Dead last in the league--- #32!!
So you can't defend Herm Edwards. But you love to play devil's advocate so I'm not surprised you did.
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The black man took them to the playoffs not that long ago.
No, what Herm Edwards did was, he took Dick Vermiel's team to the playoffs with a 9-7 record. The year before he took over they were 10-6 and they were the #1 ranked offense in football; the last two years they were the worst offense in football. But even more pathetic than that; is that Herm Edwards was supposed to be some defensive guru, and Dick Vermiel was critisized for neglecting the defense. The Chiefs defense was around #18 in the league in defense when Vermiel left, and Herm had the team for 3 years and guess where they're defense ranked at the end of last year???? Dead last in the league--- #32!!
So you can't defend Herm Edwards. But you love to play devil's advocate so I'm not surprised you did.
I'm not defending Edwards, I'm defending the idea that he was set up to be failure so a white guy can come in and save the day. What the hell are we arguing about?
Anyway, they can still win the division next year. Yeah they have a tough schedule with the South teams they have to play but Denver and SD have to play those teams too. SD is on the way down, but Denver with their recent additions can either be very good or a flop next year.
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this is a steal for the Chiefs. I think my Raiders havent realized that free agency has started lol
be thankful they don't
Raiders suck at free agency. Usually they get the wrong personal for the system...or someone who doesn't ever pan out.
Oh and Cassel doesn't have 4 years to learn the spread offense. He's going to bust. Gurantee. Cheifs were better off with Tyler Thigpen.
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Oh and Cassel doesn't have 4 years to learn the spread offense. He's going to bust. Gurantee. Cheifs were better off with Tyler Thigpen.
A lot of that depends on whether Haley figures out how to use Cassel's arms and legs and base the offense around that. If he wants to run an Arizona offense he better just quit right now. Fitz and Bolden aren't in KC. Cassel can throw every throw and he can run like a Tight End.
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Julius Peppers is on the market I believe.
dont think so
The phrase I believe was insinuating that I wasn't 100% sure. Thanks for playing.
yeah i think Carolina Franchised him.
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this is a steal for the Chiefs. I think my Raiders havent realized that free agency has started lol
be thankful they don't
Raiders suck at free agency. Usually they get the wrong personal for the system...or someone who doesn't ever pan out.
well apparently theyve been looking for O-linemen. So thats cool, that is definetely a need for us. O-line and receivers. I guess theyre shopping Michael Bush too. Too bad, cus I really like him as a back...maybe even more then Fargas. But Fargas would be tough to trade cus of his contract, and McFadden is obviously the future.
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Oh and Cassel doesn't have 4 years to learn the spread offense. He's going to bust. Gurantee. Cheifs were better off with Tyler Thigpen.
The Chiefs aren't going to run the spread offense anymore. The spread offense was set up last year in midseason by Chan Gailey to make Tyler Thigpen more comfortable, because it's the offense he ran in college. The offense improved, but they still only won one game. With Todd Haley and Matt Cassel running the offense now there is no reason why they would still run the same offense from last year.
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theres more to this story too. Apparently the Bucs offered the #12 pick in the draft to the Patriots, that would have sent Cassel to the Broncos, and Cutler to the Bucs. It obviously didnt happen, but Cutler is supposedly upset now that he was even being shopped after the year he had last year.
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Yea and people are also saying Belicheck gave Pioli a break. If we could have got a # 12 pick I am gonna be pissed.
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Yea and people are also saying Belicheck gave Pioli a break. If we could have got a # 12 pick I am gonna be pissed.
Cassel would be more dangerous to the Pats in Denver with McDaniel. Denver is a couple defensive players away from a great team. They should make the playoffs anyway next year, but if they make the playoffs with McDaniels and Cassel then Bill has to go up against an offense that knows how to play the Pat defense. I called KC to make the playoffs this year but no way are they winning one game. Denver can win a couple.
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This trade was done because a new coach and GM wanted to bring in their QB to be the guy, and Pioli knows a lot about Cassel. It's only a 2nd round choice, but I still don't like the deal for the Chiefs. Thigpen has a very similar skill set to Cassel, maybe a little smaller frame, but a little more athletic. They both had success in the shotgun last year and have limited arm strength. So why would the Chiefs bring someone in who represents what they already have? They either should have stuck with Thigpen or drafted Stafford if he dropped to them or Sanchez. They need help on defense, especially since they will be switching to the 3-4. Vrabel gives them an experienced defensive leader, so that could help. I don't see them making the playoffs next year, but their division is pretty weak.