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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Rick McCrank on March 07, 2009, 02:33:47 PM
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now this isn't a thread to bash LeBron, I'm just giving my opinion
I like him and I would love for him to kill the Celtics, so don't call me a hater or anything
through a majority of the season I thought he was a clear choice
2nd in the league in scoring, Cavs with their best season in franchise history
but I can't help but notice he has played like shit and or hasn't come through in the "big" games so far
0-2 against the Lakers, 1-2 so far against the Celtics.... 5-20 shooting in the last Laker game, 5-15 last night
I think Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant would be better candidates at this point in time
the only knock on Kobe would be that he has Pau Gasol, but let's be honest, Kobe IS the Lakers
without him they still have good players, but in reality they'd be nothing close to what they are now
he's won so many games for them that it's hard to ignore...
Wade seems to be a serious candidate too, leading scorer, dishes out lots of assists, takes over games, wins games
he has single handedly pushed his team into the playoff picture and without him they'd be insanely fucked
I think the leading scorer doesn't really mean MVP, but if you're the leader AND you turned your team around, you deserve it
there's my take on the MVP race......
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
Yeah, Wade has been great...but despite his great season, theres no chance of him getting MVP.
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
because his team sucks. take him off the team and they still suck. The Cavs with LeBron is a damn good team, take him off and they are terrible. You cant be the MVP on a shitty team.
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I think Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant would be better candidates at this point in time
money
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
because his team sucks. take him off the team and they still suck. The Cavs with LeBron is a damn good team, take him off and they are terrible. You cant be the MVP on a shitty team.
ur wrong, and heat dont suck that bad and think even without lebron on the cavs they would be a decent team.
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
because his team sucks. take him off the team and they still suck. The Cavs with LeBron is a damn good team, take him off and they are terrible. You cant be the MVP on a shitty team.
ur wrong, and heat dont suck that bad and think even without lebron on the cavs they would be a decent team.
If the Heat were in the far more competitive West with theyre record, theyd be 10th. You have to assume theyd have an even worse record too if they had to play against more West teams then East.
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
because his team sucks. take him off the team and they still suck. The Cavs with LeBron is a damn good team, take him off and they are terrible. You cant be the MVP on a shitty team.
ur wrong, and heat dont suck that bad and think even without lebron on the cavs they would be a decent team.
If the Heat were in the far more competitive West with theyre record, theyd be 10th. You have to assume theyd have an even worse record too if they had to play against more West teams then East.
no shit, i nver said they were the greatest team, but commin from what they were last year. Wade deserves some credit.
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Wade is having the best individual season , incredible all around stats ..
It's true Lebron choked in 4 of the 5 games against C's and Lakers .. still have a great season
Kobe has been great from Mid-December to Mid-February , besides this he's doing his usual thing ...
Lebron will end up with the award without a doubt.
My Top 3 :
1) Wade
2) LBJ
3°) Kobe
ya thats exactly wat im thinking, i was gunna post a thread questioning why Wade doesnt get more talk for mvp. Big numbers all around and no wehre near the team that Kobe or Lebron have, granted kobe and lebron have two best team records but i dont think anyone thought Heat would bounce back after that horrible year last year so quickly.
because his team sucks. take him off the team and they still suck. The Cavs with LeBron is a damn good team, take him off and they are terrible. You cant be the MVP on a shitty team.
ur wrong, and heat dont suck that bad and think even without lebron on the cavs they would be a decent team.
If the Heat were in the far more competitive West with theyre record, theyd be 10th. You have to assume theyd have an even worse record too if they had to play against more West teams then East.
no shit, i nver said they were the greatest team, but commin from what they were last year. Wade deserves some credit.
he does, but no matter what...he wont win MVP. Its a difficult thing to judge. I like Wade alot, and I think he's definetely one of the top 5 players in the league. But with Lebron and Kobe's teams playing the way they are...someone would have to be performing head and shoulders above those two to win MVP over them this year. In some cases, I hate when the MVP is based on how well the team plays. But in this case, it matters. The biggest argument FOR Wade has been his numbers. Lebron, and especially Kobe have players they can defer to every once in a while. This is why theyre teams have such better records then the Heat. What do you think Kobe and Lebrons #'s would look like on a team where they had NO one? They would go from being 40-50% of the offensive load, to 50-60% of it. Like I said, Wade is off the chain. And definetely deserves mention...but this year, he doesnt stand a chance. Too much hype surrounding the Lakers and Cavs for Lebron or Kobe not to win.
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good points.
but Cavs >>> Heat, so they will give it to LeBron.
but 30 7 & 7 is hard to vote against already.
but Wade has been playing like a manic!!! 8)
i always loved Wade's game.
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this year:
1. kobe
2. wade
3. lbj (after that celtics game)
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I dunno about the numer 2. But since the only place that matters is the #1 i'd give the throphy to Dwayne Wade.
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if it was up to me, wade gets it.
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LeBron is the MVP....Then Wade, then Kobe.
KB24 has the best supporting cast, by far. So the Cavs and Heat would be FAR worse without LBJ and Wade. If the Heat were a little better I would make a stronger case for Wade to get it, but the Cavs have just been too good to take that from LeBron. But Wade and LeBron are both playing better than Kobe this year.
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kobe
lbj
dwade
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Kobe or Wade should get it
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LBJ MVP 4 shiggadell
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
Mo Williams has been a HUGE addition for sure. Dude has ice in his veins. But did anyone really expect LEbron to ever win anything without a legitimate secondary scorer? Having a scorer next to Lebron makes sense as the dude is a GREAT passer.
To compare Billups to Williams is kind of odd; Billups is a FLOOR LEADER. Any questions who does that on the Cavs? Safe to say its not Williams.
Lebron has become a much better player this year (posting up, free throws, and most importantly some real defense). He will likely win MVP, and deservedly so. Kobe has had a great year as well, and Wade is having an AMZING year. But we all know the MVP will go to a player from a top team...................so it comes down to Lebron and Kobe, and my money is on Lebron. He has improved, his team is way better, and by far the least talented of any of the upper-echelon teams. That should make it hard to vote against him, but stranger things have happened...
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D-wadei's MVP
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
thats the difference in the team record & why LeBron is even nominated.
its been like this since his second year.
he's had MVP numbers since he started, but the Cavs were never a real dominate team at the time.
they were like the 76ers, up to last year; back when AI just ran shit for them.
now Mo Williams is the piece that makes them a much stronger team & gives them a top record, which gives there leader (LeBron) a nomination & my vote for MVP.
like i said, how can you not give 30, 7 & 7 the award? cmon.
unless the Heat dont lose another game & finish about .600, you really cant give Wade the award.
hes in the same situation LeBron has been in for the last four years.
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^^^^ that's why the award has been a joke for so long ...if Kobe, Lebron or Wade played for the Grizzlies and would lead them to the playoffs , how could somebody tell me they wouldn't deserve the award because the team didn't reach 50 wins ? LMAO ...
Kobe led a team to a 45-37 record in the very competitive Western Conference with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm , Brian Cook (should I continue) as teammates , looks like MVP award to me ....
Wade for the same reasons should get it this year ...
How can dominant players as Kobe and Shaq have only 1 while Steve Nash has 2 ::)
4 of the latest 9 MVPs have been wrong ;
- 2003 should have been Kobe
-2005 should have been Shaq
2006 should have been Kobe
- 2008 should have been CP3
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
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- 2008 should have been CP3
??? :puke:
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
Mo Williams has been a HUGE addition for sure. Dude has ice in his veins. But did anyone really expect LEbron to ever win anything without a legitimate secondary scorer? Having a scorer next to Lebron makes sense as the dude is a GREAT passer.
To compare Billups to Williams is kind of odd; Billups is a FLOOR LEADER. Any questions who does that on the Cavs? Safe to say its not Williams.
Lebron has become a much better player this year (posting up, free throws, and most importantly some real defense). He will likely win MVP, and deservedly so. Kobe has had a great year as well, and Wade is having an AMZING year. But we all know the MVP will go to a player from a top team...................so it comes down to Lebron and Kobe, and my money is on Lebron. He has improved, his team is way better, and by far the least talented of any of the upper-echelon teams. That should make it hard to vote against him, but stranger things have happened...
williams has been taking up that role of Floor leader though throughout this year. Friday night against boston for example. I don't know wtf lebron was doing at times. take away any previous knowledge i had of basketball, and told me that someone from the cavs was an MVP candidate i would have though Mo williams. like i said i like lebron he's one of my favs, but his game isn't that much better to warrant an mvp, nor has he been as consistent as Kobe in the cluth.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
i just tell it how i see it. i just feel that the MVP should be the GUN. The Bullet. and the successful assassin.
to me the person that has been all three of those things through out the year is Kobe.
and about last year.....cp3 and kobe were both worthy....like we established already, it just came down to the final show off and the standing in the west.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
lol, you really think he does?
you really dont think he only watches Laker games & covers it up when he bitches at people that they dont watch the games?
sure he might watch wendesday & friday night hoops, but other than that no, lmao.
point being, he doesnt watch the Cavs on a nightly basis.
anyone who hasnt seen his mid-range (and somewhat long-range; when he is on fire) hasnt improved since he first came into the league is blind!
he forces defenders to come up & gaurd him & then he blows by them & when they fall back & say shoot it, he can drain it from 15, pretty effectivily.
i do like Wade as a MVP candidate though, definiatly deserving.
but i would honestly give it to LeBron or Kobe over him.
Lakers are best in the West with leader Kobe & the Cavs are second best in the East with LeBron running ship, so they have to get the nod over Wade.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
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^agreed on the FT's.
dude is so unclutch down the streches with those.
its a shame.
his jumper is a little bit inconsistant, but when its on; you can almost bank on 40+ plus that night. 8)
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
lol, you really think he does?
you really dont think he only watches Laker games & covers it up when he bitches at people that they dont watch the games?
sure he might watch wendesday & friday night hoops, but other than that no, lmao.
point being, he doesnt watch the Cavs on a nightly basis.
anyone who hasnt seen his mid-range (and somewhat long-range; when he is on fire) hasnt improved since he first came into the league is blind!
he forces defenders to come up & gaurd him & then he blows by them & when they fall back & say shoot it, he can drain it from 15, pretty effectivily.
i do like Wade as a MVP candidate though, definiatly deserving.
but i would honestly give it to LeBron or Kobe over him.
Lakers are best in the West with leader Kobe & the Cavs are second best in the East with LeBron running ship, so they have to get the nod over Wade.
get noff my nuts, idiot...unlike you, i have nba tv, so i'm not relegated to just wednesdays and fridays. lol@you exposing yourself.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
lol, you really think he does?
you really dont think he only watches Laker games & covers it up when he bitches at people that they dont watch the games?
sure he might watch wendesday & friday night hoops, but other than that no, lmao.
point being, he doesnt watch the Cavs on a nightly basis.
anyone who hasnt seen his mid-range (and somewhat long-range; when he is on fire) hasnt improved since he first came into the league is blind!
he forces defenders to come up & gaurd him & then he blows by them & when they fall back & say shoot it, he can drain it from 15, pretty effectivily.
i do like Wade as a MVP candidate though, definiatly deserving.
but i would honestly give it to LeBron or Kobe over him.
Lakers are best in the West with leader Kobe & the Cavs are second best in the East with LeBron running ship, so they have to get the nod over Wade.
get noff my nuts, idiot...unlike you, i have nba tv, so i'm not relegated to just wednesdays and fridays. lol@you exposing yourself.
LOL @ exposing yourself! :laugh:
you prove that you spend almost a third of your day on this board & now since you watch every single basketball game (right?), thats another third & then you need to sleep right?
NIK's day: wake up, go on the dub, watch the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics & all the other teams his gives his strong opinons about & then goes to sleep, nice. ;)
anyway, why have NBA TV when baseball is obviously worth the money & better to watch? 8)
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
lol, you really think he does?
you really dont think he only watches Laker games & covers it up when he bitches at people that they dont watch the games?
sure he might watch wendesday & friday night hoops, but other than that no, lmao.
point being, he doesnt watch the Cavs on a nightly basis.
anyone who hasnt seen his mid-range (and somewhat long-range; when he is on fire) hasnt improved since he first came into the league is blind!
he forces defenders to come up & gaurd him & then he blows by them & when they fall back & say shoot it, he can drain it from 15, pretty effectivily.
i do like Wade as a MVP candidate though, definiatly deserving.
but i would honestly give it to LeBron or Kobe over him.
Lakers are best in the West with leader Kobe & the Cavs are second best in the East with LeBron running ship, so they have to get the nod over Wade.
get noff my nuts, idiot...unlike you, i have nba tv, so i'm not relegated to just wednesdays and fridays. lol@you exposing yourself.
LOL @ exposing yourself! :laugh:
you prove that you spend almost a third of your day on this board & now since you watch every single basketball game (right?), thats another third & then you need to sleep right?
NIK's day: wake up, go on the dub, watch the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics & all the other teams his gives his strong opinons about & then goes to sleep, nice. ;)
anyway, why have NBA TV when baseball is obviously worth the money & better to watch? 8)
is that why you've been posting way more than me these last few weeks? once again, just like pretty much everything you say, you're wrong. your daily schedule of what i do is about as accurate as your opinion on basketball.
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WADE IS CLEARLY THE MVP
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
lol, you really think he does?
you really dont think he only watches Laker games & covers it up when he bitches at people that they dont watch the games?
sure he might watch wendesday & friday night hoops, but other than that no, lmao.
point being, he doesnt watch the Cavs on a nightly basis.
anyone who hasnt seen his mid-range (and somewhat long-range; when he is on fire) hasnt improved since he first came into the league is blind!
he forces defenders to come up & gaurd him & then he blows by them & when they fall back & say shoot it, he can drain it from 15, pretty effectivily.
i do like Wade as a MVP candidate though, definiatly deserving.
but i would honestly give it to LeBron or Kobe over him.
Lakers are best in the West with leader Kobe & the Cavs are second best in the East with LeBron running ship, so they have to get the nod over Wade.
get noff my nuts, idiot...unlike you, i have nba tv, so i'm not relegated to just wednesdays and fridays. lol@you exposing yourself.
LOL @ exposing yourself! :laugh:
you prove that you spend almost a third of your day on this board & now since you watch every single basketball game (right?), thats another third & then you need to sleep right?
NIK's day: wake up, go on the dub, watch the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics & all the other teams his gives his strong opinons about & then goes to sleep, nice. ;)
anyway, why have NBA TV when baseball is obviously worth the money & better to watch? 8)
is that why you've been posting way more than me these last few weeks? once again, just like pretty much everything you say, you're wrong. your daily schedule of what i do is about as accurate as your opinion on basketball.
so then whose the one on the others nuts? ::)
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
And don't look now, but Lebron is actually shooting a higher percentage on his three's than Kobe!!! Lebron is STREAKY with his, but when he is on, he is ON. And Lebron will only get better with his shooting. As for his defense, Lebron has played consistently good "d" this year and will be NBA first team defense.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
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2008 was KG's year suckas
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
That's cause Kobe attempts way more 3 pt shots, I wouldn't be surprised if Wade had a higher pct than him too, doesn't make them a better 3 pt shooter.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
And don't look now, but Lebron is actually shooting a higher percentage on his three's than Kobe!!! Lebron is STREAKY with his, but when he is on, he is ON. And Lebron will only get better with his shooting. As for his defense, Lebron has played consistently good "d" this year and will be NBA first team defense.
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10 points, 5 assists and 4 rebounds in the 4th quarter! Team was down by 23 to the CLIPPERS and they still pulled it off. And damn Dunleavy is a retard
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
And don't look now, but Lebron is actually shooting a higher percentage on his three's than Kobe!!! Lebron is STREAKY with his, but when he is on, he is ON. And Lebron will only get better with his shooting. As for his defense, Lebron has played consistently good "d" this year and will be NBA first team defense.
Kobe was just as much a leader on the Kobe-Shaq teams as Magic was on the Magic-Kareem teams. :-*
btw...lebron doesnt shoot a better percentage on threes. quit makin up lies to support your argument.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
And don't look now, but Lebron is actually shooting a higher percentage on his three's than Kobe!!! Lebron is STREAKY with his, but when he is on, he is ON. And Lebron will only get better with his shooting. As for his defense, Lebron has played consistently good "d" this year and will be NBA first team defense.
Kobe was just as much a leader on the Kobe-Shaq teams as Magic was on the Magic-Kareem teams. :-*
btw...lebron doesnt shoot a better percentage on threes. quit makin up lies to support your argument.
When i Made the post, LBJ had snuck ahead of Kobe on 3point percentage. THat is no longer the case but why the fuck would I lie? Lebron's play speaks for itself, dude has been great this year. So has Kobe, so had Wade, its all good.
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i really like lebron james i honestly do. but honestly the difference from this year and last is Mo williams....am i right? he's to the Cavs what Billips is to the nuggets.
LOL...it's funny how people have been overlooking this. i'm glad you pointed it nout...lebron has been pretty much playing the same game for the past few years. no noticeable elevation in his abilities. his supporting cast, however, has improved drastically...so much thatb they'd make the playoffs without him. can't say the same for the lakers without kobe. lmao@those who claim kobe has more help than lebron when lebron's working with one of the (if not the) best team defenses in the league. :-X
You don't watch the Cavs, do you? Lebron's game has actually changed alot this year, and he is a much better all-around player than he was a fewe seasons ago. He is much more committed on the defensive end, and goes down on the block for a period of time every game. His FT's are up, and aside from the first 20 games this year, his jumper is better. His supporting cast has gotten better, but look at how truly bad the team was that he lead to the finals. Of course it would improve. And they do have the second best team defense in the league, and he is the leader and catalyst.
yes, i watch all teams...the one thing i can say he drastically improved on is free throws. his defense is still shaky at times and his jumper is way too inconsistent to be considered reliable. to me, LeBron has a lot to prove before he's up there in the elite class with the likes of Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Kareem, etc.. arguing that is not gunna help change it.
Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe.........only one hasn't LEAD a team to a title. MAYBE that all changes this year......until then, he is not quite there.
And don't look now, but Lebron is actually shooting a higher percentage on his three's than Kobe!!! Lebron is STREAKY with his, but when he is on, he is ON. And Lebron will only get better with his shooting. As for his defense, Lebron has played consistently good "d" this year and will be NBA first team defense.
Kobe was just as much a leader on the Kobe-Shaq teams as Magic was on the Magic-Kareem teams. :-*
btw...lebron doesnt shoot a better percentage on threes. quit makin up lies to support your argument.
When i Made the post, LBJ had snuck ahead of Kobe on 3point percentage. THat is no longer the case but why the fuck would I lie? Lebron's play speaks for itself, dude has been great this year. So has Kobe, so had Wade, its all good.
THREE straight triple-doubles.
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43, 12, 8 and 4. Win # 54
21 of Cavs final 31 points and when his team was down one, in the final minutes, he nails a 3 in front of Magic bench. Two freethrows to ice it.
Unless the Heat go undefeated and D-Wade plays even better(is that even possible), then LBJ has it wrapped up. Shit could change, but it looks like its all his. He has been the front runner from start to now.
Who really thought the Cavs would be the number one seed this far into the season?
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^no one, LeBron is playing his ass off.
people recognize it too, dont worry.
just some hurt Kobe fans, hate it.
they realized 2 weeks ago Kobe probably isnt going to win it, so they all jumped on the Wade bandwagon. ;) ;D
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^no one, LeBron is playing his ass off.
people recognize it too, dont worry.
just some hurt Kobe fans, hate it.
they realized 2 weeks ago Kobe probably isnt going to win it, so they all jumped on the Wade bandwagon. ;) ;D
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
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^no one, LeBron is playing his ass off.
people recognize it too, dont worry.
just some hurt Kobe fans, hate it.
they realized 2 weeks ago Kobe probably isnt going to win it, so they all jumped on the Wade bandwagon. ;) ;D
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
kind of agree, even though i think LeBron is better than Wade; i wont front, its almost a coin-flip.
but just because Kobe is a better basketball player, shouldnt take away from how MVP-like LeBron is playing.
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^no one, LeBron is playing his ass off.
people recognize it too, dont worry.
just some hurt Kobe fans, hate it.
they realized 2 weeks ago Kobe probably isnt going to win it, so they all jumped on the Wade bandwagon. ;) ;D
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
kind of agree, even though i think LeBron is better than Wade; i wont front, its almost a coin-flip.
but just because Kobe is a better basketball player, shouldnt take away from how MVP-like LeBron is playing.
My predicted stats for Kobe on the Cavs:
40 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
8)
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^big numbers!!!
i would say thats a bold prediction, but Kobe can put that up no problem if he really wanted to. :P 8)
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^no one, LeBron is playing his ass off.
people recognize it too, dont worry.
just some hurt Kobe fans, hate it.
they realized 2 weeks ago Kobe probably isnt going to win it, so they all jumped on the Wade bandwagon. ;) ;D
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
kind of agree, even though i think LeBron is better than Wade; i wont front, its almost a coin-flip.
but just because Kobe is a better basketball player, shouldnt take away from how MVP-like LeBron is playing.
My predicted stats for Kobe on the Cavs:
40 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
8)
When? In the finals?
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^no...im sayin thats what Kobe's average would be if he played for the Cavs in their system.
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^^^40ppg!?!?!?
LMFAO
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WHAT THE FUCK SPICE, GET OFF MY NUTS SPICE, I SHOULD HAVE SAID 50 PPG
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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^^^40ppg!?!?!?
LMFAO
maybe that was a bit of an exaggeration, but why "LMFAO"? it's not that far off, Kobe averaged 35.4 PPG in the TRIANGLE OFFENSE (an equal opportunity system)...just think about it.
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lol, i love the imaginary argument of Kobe & LeBron switching places. :D
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Kobe only shot 45% the year he put up 35, and 43 the year before that. WHy is 42% such a stretch??? Its not like he has been a high percentage shooter over the years, especially when he isn't playing with great players
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argue all y'all want, LBJ already got the MVP in the bag
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argue all y'all want, LBJ already got the MVP in the bag
yea definitely
he deserves it at this point...
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argue all y'all want, LBJ already got the MVP in the bag
yea definitely
he deserves it at this point...
its a shame that the Heat arent just a little bit better, for Wade's sake...
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argue all y'all want, LBJ already got the MVP in the bag
yea definitely
he deserves it at this point...
its a shame that the Heat arent just a little bit better, for Wade's sake...
it's actually really a shame that when arguing MVP nobody has a clear definition
which is why sometimes deserving players get overlooked...
seems too many things determine the award rather than just the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
pretty much with everyone excluding Wade for good, it comes down to Kobe and LeBron, and LeBron wins
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argue all y'all want, LBJ already got the MVP in the bag
yea definitely
he deserves it at this point...
its a shame that the Heat arent just a little bit better, for Wade's sake...
it's actually really a shame that when arguing MVP nobody has a clear definition
which is why sometimes deserving players get overlooked...
yeah, but how could there be? Its something that is judged. Same thing happens with the All Star voting (popularity contest), etc. Shit, Boxing's results are entirely based on something without a clear definition.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
But how do you argue against the fact that Kobe is perfect? I mean, obviously there are NO flaws in his game whatsoever. :stupid:
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
But how do you argue against the fact that Kobe is perfect? I mean, obviously there are NO flaws in his game whatsoever. :stupid:
LOL@bangin your head on the wall after a comment like that...it's Kobe, ya dumbass.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
Kobe doesn't need to be forced to do anything, his game is adaptable, he's just THAT good. he's not LeBron status, man, get over it. there's a reason it took Kobe to win a gold in the USA games...LOL.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
Kobe doesn't need to be forced to do anything, his game is adaptable, he's just THAT good. he's not LeBron status, man, get over it. there's a reason it took Kobe to win a gold in the USA games...LOL.
THere is a reason it took Lebron and D-Wade to get them there as well.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Anything to discredit anyone who rivals Kobe. Why is that? Lebron is an ELITE level player, on pace to be one of the best of all time. To say he couldn't adapt to any system is ignorant. Lebron's top asset is his court sense and using his teammates, so how wouldn't he work in the triangle? QUit reaching NIK, Lebron has narrowed the gap and is only going to get better. Deal with it
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And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!!
actually, it does, mr misinformation.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
Kobe doesn't need to be forced to do anything, his game is adaptable, he's just THAT good. he's not LeBron status, man, get over it. there's a reason it took Kobe to win a gold in the USA games...LOL.
THere is a reason it took Lebron and D-Wade to get them there as well.
LeBron and Wade went for a bronze medal without Kobe to lead the way and set the tone on both ends.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Anything to discredit anyone who rivals Kobe. Why is that? Lebron is an ELITE level player, on pace to be one of the best of all time. To say he couldn't adapt to any system is ignorant. Lebron's top asset is his court sense and using his teammates, so how wouldn't he work in the triangle? QUit reaching NIK, Lebron has narrowed the gap and is only going to get better. Deal with it
how is it ignorant to say he wouldn't flourish in a structured system when he's never played in one? LOL. wow, man...you're something else. get off LeBron's nuts, foreal. he DOES NOT have an all-around fundamentally exceptional game. this is well known, bro. he's good, an elite level player, but he's marketed as an all-time great while he still has a ways to go...that's all there is to it. LeBron's best asset is not his so-called "court sernse", it's drawing double-teams due to strength and dishing it out to the open man...LOL. when people try to hype him as a player with court-sense like Magic, that shit just sickens me.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
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And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!!
actually, it does, mr misinformation.
what, second? my point is, he attempts more shots than Lebron yet has the ball less. you do the math. Kobe plays a minute and a half less than Lebron per game, but the only stat category (I know, stats don't matter if they don't favour Kobe) that he leads him in is three's, ft's, and attempts per minute and game.
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NIK, when actual facts don't work in your favour, you start arguing things that aren't real, all the "What-if's" and other scenarios. To call Lebron merely good is retarded and you know it.
We are all getting a chance to watch 4 players have AMAZING seasons this year, three of which are statistically amazing (Paul, Lebron, Wade) and Kobe who is playing possibly playing even better than he was when he went for MVP last year. To call any of these guys "good" as you called Lebron is downright stupid.
There are more players in the league than Kobe. And like it or not, Kobe is peaking while Lebron is just getting started. Enjoy them being relative equals while you can
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
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NIK, when actual facts don't work in your favour, you start arguing things that aren't real, all the "What-if's" and other scenarios. To call Lebron merely good is retarded and you know it.
We are all getting a chance to watch 4 players have AMAZING seasons this year, three of which are statistically amazing (Paul, Lebron, Wade) and Kobe who is playing possibly playing even better than he was when he went for MVP last year. To call any of these guys "good" as you called Lebron is downright stupid.
There are more players in the league than Kobe. And like it or not, Kobe is peaking while Lebron is just getting started. Enjoy them being relative equals while you can
Great=Magic, Jordan, Kobe, etc.
Good=LeBron, Wade, Wilkins etc.
get that through your head, muufucka.
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relative equals
LMAO
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
LeBron wasn't a scorer coming into the league? LOL. How stupid are you, man? Averaging 20+ points as a rookie pretty much solidifies your role as a scorer. The point is, you try to clown on people when they act like Kobe is amongst some of the greatest players ever when he clearly is. I can accept if you don't think Kobe is THE greatest, but to say he's not up there and to place him closer to LeBron/Wade than to Jordan/Magic is flat out retarded and is a common belief by those who don't understand the game. How have I spent a lifetime arguing with stats? I've always said that stats do not determine a better player, and the only time ive ever used stats was to support an argument, not to make one...and to top it off, i rarely use stats to begin with if its not head-to-head...make sure u know what you're sayin before u say it, son. Kobe is adaptable to anything basketball related. the reason for that is because he is a hard worker, the most conditioned person in the league, and he applies himself to what he does. combine that with his out-of-this-world skill and knack for the game of basketball and you'll see why LeBron still has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Kobe...why would Kobe NEED to shoot more shots if he were on the Cavs, you idiot? Mo Williams attempts more shot than any player on the Lakers not named Kobe. He's way more of a scorer than Odom or Gasol...LeBron has an offensively potent supporting cast, so quit acting like Cavs without LeBron are the 2005 Lakers who had Kwame, Luke, and Smush Parker starting...LOL. Kobe does not NEED structure, he ADAPTED to it...Kobe hated the triangle offense when Phil came along, he even claimed that it held his game back, but his greatness and will to succeed allowed him to adapt. Around 2003-2004, Kobe was BEGGING to play in a free-based offense, cuz that's the type of system his game would flourish in..his stats would be similar to Jordan pre-Phil Jackson if that were the case. After Shaq left, it took the Lakers 3 years to build a contender from scratch...3 FUCKIN YEARS. Name me another superstar who has led his team to greatness from a lottery team that fuckin quick? LOL...step it up, man. at least im arguing for a player im a fan of...you're just arguing cuz you're a hater and cuz Kobe has embarrassed the Spurs so many times...go talk about Duncan or Ginobli or something, you obsessed ass mufucka.
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right now neither kobe nor lebron is the MVP....both of their teams have been strugglin' against weak ass teams. am i saying that wade is the mvp right now....no, but it sure levels the playing field a lot.
stats aside. Kobe is the best player in the game....one on one, it's no contest, and wasn't no contest when they matched up.
are both great players. yes. Kobe is already a HOFer and Lebron is a hair away from being there as well.
i dont' get why there is such a rivalry amongst the fans.
Whoever wins the MVP will be the one who's team has the best record out of the cavs and lakers. simple as that. Both deserve it.
just like last year with CP3 and Kobe...the Hornets win the west Paul wins the MVP. can't knock that.
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right now neither kobe nor lebron is the MVP....both of their teams have been strugglin' against weak ass teams. am i saying that wade is the mvp right now....no, but it sure levels the playing field a lot.
stats aside. Kobe is the best player in the game....one on one, it's no contest, and wasn't no contest when they matched up.
are both great players. yes. Kobe is already a HOFer and Lebron is a hair away from being there as well.
i dont' get why there is such a rivalry amongst the fans.
Whoever wins the MVP will be the one who's team has the best record out of the cavs and lakers. simple as that. Both deserve it.
just like last year with CP3 and Kobe...the Hornets win the west Paul wins the MVP. can't knock that.
there is no rivalry amongst the fans...Cav/LeBron fans simply try to claim that LeBron is up there with Kobe, while the Laker fans just sit back and laugh. LOL.
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i think Lebron is up there with kobe.... i don't think he's BETTER than kobe, but as far as all around game he's up there. Kobe IMO is definitely better but if i had to rank them i'd say
1.- Kobe
1.5- Lebron
2. -Wade
2.1 -Paul
better shooter- kobe
better passer-lebron
better defender- kobe
better post- lebron
better cutter- kobe
better ball handler- about the same
better in the cluth- KOBE
better team player- lebron
better x factor- kobe (like they said on espn...when kobe's on the court the other team is afraid of him)
leadership- it depends on the game....kobe has personality problems and lebron has too much personality sometimes, so it really depends
but i give it to kobe
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right now neither kobe nor lebron is the MVP....both of their teams have been strugglin' against weak ass teams. am i saying that wade is the mvp right now....no, but it sure levels the playing field a lot.
stats aside. Kobe is the best player in the game....one on one, it's no contest, and wasn't no contest when they matched up.
are both great players. yes. Kobe is already a HOFer and Lebron is a hair away from being there as well.
i dont' get why there is such a rivalry amongst the fans.
Whoever wins the MVP will be the one who's team has the best record out of the cavs and lakers. simple as that. Both deserve it.
just like last year with CP3 and Kobe...the Hornets win the west Paul wins the MVP. can't knock that.
there is no rivalry amongst the fans...Cav/LeBron fans simply try to claim that LeBron is up there with Kobe, while the Laker fans just sit back and laugh. LOL.
Whyt are youy responding then??? Just sit and laugh if you aren't worried ;)
Wilkins was gfreat, but never lead his team anywhere. Wade has already lead his team to a chip, and Lebron is already, if he retired today, a far more complete player than WIlkins ever was. Lebron will win AT LEAST three titles before he is done,
Kobe has yet to LEAD his team to shit, right? right
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that's why i said a hybrid of MAGIC and Nique....
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LBJ 4 MVP
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
LeBron wasn't a scorer coming into the league? LOL. How stupid are you, man? Averaging 20+ points as a rookie pretty much solidifies your role as a scorer. The point is, you try to clown on people when they act like Kobe is amongst some of the greatest players ever when he clearly is. I can accept if you don't think Kobe is THE greatest, but to say he's not up there and to place him closer to LeBron/Wade than to Jordan/Magic is flat out retarded and is a common belief by those who don't understand the game. How have I spent a lifetime arguing with stats? I've always said that stats do not determine a better player, and the only time ive ever used stats was to support an argument, not to make one...and to top it off, i rarely use stats to begin with if its not head-to-head...make sure u know what you're sayin before u say it, son. Kobe is adaptable to anything basketball related. the reason for that is because he is a hard worker, the most conditioned person in the league, and he applies himself to what he does. combine that with his out-of-this-world skill and knack for the game of basketball and you'll see why LeBron still has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Kobe...why would Kobe NEED to shoot more shots if he were on the Cavs, you idiot? Mo Williams attempts more shot than any player on the Lakers not named Kobe. He's way more of a scorer than Odom or Gasol...LeBron has an offensively potent supporting cast, so quit acting like Cavs without LeBron are the 2005 Lakers who had Kwame, Luke, and Smush Parker starting...LOL. Kobe does not NEED structure, he ADAPTED to it...Kobe hated the triangle offense when Phil came along, he even claimed that it held his game back, but his greatness and will to succeed allowed him to adapt. Around 2003-2004, Kobe was BEGGING to play in a free-based offense, cuz that's the type of system his game would flourish in..his stats would be similar to Jordan pre-Phil Jackson if that were the case. After Shaq left, it took the Lakers 3 years to build a contender from scratch...3 FUCKIN YEARS. Name me another superstar who has led his team to greatness from a lottery team that fuckin quick? LOL...step it up, man. at least im arguing for a player im a fan of...you're just arguing cuz you're a hater and cuz Kobe has embarrassed the Spurs so many times...go talk about Duncan or Ginobli or something, you obsessed ass mufucka.
You have your head so far up Kobe's ass that you cant even argue against points Im actually making. When did I ever say Kobe wasnt one of the greatest players? Ive said a million times he's the second best 2 guard ever. So dont give me that bullshit. You just cant deal with the fact that only you and your fellow Kobe dicksuckers consider him THE greatest lol. And no, Lebron was not looked at as a SCORER when he first hit the league. One of the common complaints about his game was that he was too UNselfish and that he should shoot more. He turned into a scorer as needed. The thing you dont seem to get is, there are a couple different ways to rate great players. One is, great all time. Another is, great now. Two different things. Yes, for a career, Kobe is higher on the "greatness scale" (whatever that would be) then Lebron, or Wade. As far as great NOW, Lebron is as "great" as it gets at this moment. Face it, he's having a better year then Kobe. Just because you cant admit it, doesnt mean it isnt true. Real Laker fans would even agree. As far as the potency of the Cavs offense, Lebron is obviously better at creating offense for OTHERS then Kobe is. Kobe is great at creating his own offense, and at times does a good job of creating for others. But Lebrons game is more of a passer then Kobe's is...OBVIOUSLY. And yes Kobe needed that structure. Just because Kobe hated the triangle, doesnt mean it wasnt good for him. Leave it up to Kobe, yeah, he'd love a more free-lance offense where he could score 35ppg and his team could be .500. Him scoring more points, but having his team continuously suck would do nothing for his already damaged reputation as a "leader". If you want the name of a player who took their team from a lottery team to a contender faster...Duncan, 1 year. And as far as Kobe embarassing the Spurs lol. Im sure the Spurs success over the last decade has really been tainted by a few good games from Kobe LOL!. How many times would Kobe have been embarassed by us if his team was good enough to make it us in the playoffs during our title runs? Its not the Spurs fault that Kobe wasnt able to make his team relevant when we were winning titles. Kobe without an all-star bigman = 1st round Suns punching bag.
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right now neither kobe nor lebron is the MVP....both of their teams have been strugglin' against weak ass teams. am i saying that wade is the mvp right now....no, but it sure levels the playing field a lot.
stats aside. Kobe is the best player in the game....one on one, it's no contest, and wasn't no contest when they matched up.
are both great players. yes. Kobe is already a HOFer and Lebron is a hair away from being there as well.
i dont' get why there is such a rivalry amongst the fans.
Whoever wins the MVP will be the one who's team has the best record out of the cavs and lakers. simple as that. Both deserve it.
just like last year with CP3 and Kobe...the Hornets win the west Paul wins the MVP. can't knock that.
there is no rivalry amongst the fans...Cav/LeBron fans simply try to claim that LeBron is up there with Kobe, while the Laker fans just sit back and laugh. LOL.
Whyt are youy responding then??? Just sit and laugh if you aren't worried ;)
Wilkins was gfreat, but never lead his team anywhere. Wade has already lead his team to a chip, and Lebron is already, if he retired today, a far more complete player than WIlkins ever was. Lebron will win AT LEAST three titles before he is done,
Kobe has yet to LEAD his team to shit, right? right
Man, its obvious jealousy on the part of the Kobe fans. Lebron fans arent spending so much time attacking Kobe as Kobe fans spend attacking Lebron. Kobe fans dont like the fact that Lebron is receiving so much attention and Kobe isnt. That at this young age, Lebron is the face of the NBA and Kobe isnt. That NBA fans see Lebron as potentially the "next Jordan", and Kobe isnt. That Lebron is respected amongst the entire league and its fans, and Kobe isnt. Kobe is great, no doubt. But his fans are insecure.
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Lebron will win AT LEAST three titles before he is done,
LOL
Kobe has yet to LEAD his team to shit, right? right
LOL
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
LeBron wasn't a scorer coming into the league? LOL. How stupid are you, man? Averaging 20+ points as a rookie pretty much solidifies your role as a scorer. The point is, you try to clown on people when they act like Kobe is amongst some of the greatest players ever when he clearly is. I can accept if you don't think Kobe is THE greatest, but to say he's not up there and to place him closer to LeBron/Wade than to Jordan/Magic is flat out retarded and is a common belief by those who don't understand the game. How have I spent a lifetime arguing with stats? I've always said that stats do not determine a better player, and the only time ive ever used stats was to support an argument, not to make one...and to top it off, i rarely use stats to begin with if its not head-to-head...make sure u know what you're sayin before u say it, son. Kobe is adaptable to anything basketball related. the reason for that is because he is a hard worker, the most conditioned person in the league, and he applies himself to what he does. combine that with his out-of-this-world skill and knack for the game of basketball and you'll see why LeBron still has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Kobe...why would Kobe NEED to shoot more shots if he were on the Cavs, you idiot? Mo Williams attempts more shot than any player on the Lakers not named Kobe. He's way more of a scorer than Odom or Gasol...LeBron has an offensively potent supporting cast, so quit acting like Cavs without LeBron are the 2005 Lakers who had Kwame, Luke, and Smush Parker starting...LOL. Kobe does not NEED structure, he ADAPTED to it...Kobe hated the triangle offense when Phil came along, he even claimed that it held his game back, but his greatness and will to succeed allowed him to adapt. Around 2003-2004, Kobe was BEGGING to play in a free-based offense, cuz that's the type of system his game would flourish in..his stats would be similar to Jordan pre-Phil Jackson if that were the case. After Shaq left, it took the Lakers 3 years to build a contender from scratch...3 FUCKIN YEARS. Name me another superstar who has led his team to greatness from a lottery team that fuckin quick? LOL...step it up, man. at least im arguing for a player im a fan of...you're just arguing cuz you're a hater and cuz Kobe has embarrassed the Spurs so many times...go talk about Duncan or Ginobli or something, you obsessed ass mufucka.
You have your head so far up Kobe's ass that you cant even argue against points Im actually making. When did I ever say Kobe wasnt one of the greatest players? Ive said a million times he's the second best 2 guard ever. So dont give me that bullshit. You just cant deal with the fact that only you and your fellow Kobe dicksuckers consider him THE greatest lol. And no, Lebron was not looked at as a SCORER when he first hit the league. One of the common complaints about his game was that he was too UNselfish and that he should shoot more. He turned into a scorer as needed. The thing you dont seem to get is, there are a couple different ways to rate great players. One is, great all time. Another is, great now. Two different things. Yes, for a career, Kobe is higher on the "greatness scale" (whatever that would be) then Lebron, or Wade. As far as great NOW, Lebron is as "great" as it gets at this moment. Face it, he's having a better year then Kobe. Just because you cant admit it, doesnt mean it isnt true. Real Laker fans would even agree. As far as the potency of the Cavs offense, Lebron is obviously better at creating offense for OTHERS then Kobe is. Kobe is great at creating his own offense, and at times does a good job of creating for others. But Lebrons game is more of a passer then Kobe's is...OBVIOUSLY. And yes Kobe needed that structure. Just because Kobe hated the triangle, doesnt mean it wasnt good for him. Leave it up to Kobe, yeah, he'd love a more free-lance offense where he could score 35ppg and his team could be .500. Him scoring more points, but having his team continuously suck would do nothing for his already damaged reputation as a "leader". If you want the name of a player who took their team from a lottery team to a contender faster...Duncan, 1 year. And as far as Kobe embarassing the Spurs lol. Im sure the Spurs success over the last decade has really been tainted by a few good games from Kobe LOL!. How many times would Kobe have been embarassed by us if his team was good enough to make it us in the playoffs during our title runs? Its not the Spurs fault that Kobe wasnt able to make his team relevant when we were winning titles. Kobe without an all-star bigman = 1st round Suns punching bag.
so many flaws in this post...LOL. "the Suns punching bag"...yea, cuz a 7 seed pushin a 2 seed to 7 games is really considered a "punching bag". and Kobe's "flawed reputation as a leader"? Oh, man, wtf? Where were you when every article in the sports world was reporting about how it took Kobe's leadership for Team USA to be relevant again? LMAO@Daygo and his hate for Kobe. and yes, you are mad at Kobe for shitting on the Spurs in the 3peat era. don't give me that shit about your team being successful this decade, if it werent for Kobe then San Antonio woulda probably had a shot at a back-to-back. LOL. Kobe right now > LeBron right now...ya'll Kobe haters just need to get over it already.
LeBron is more of a passer because he doesnt have as much offense as Kobe in his arsenal. If Kobe was as limited as LeBron, he'd be passing every other possession as well. that in no way means LeBron is a better passer. Kobe has made passes before that were reminiscent of Magic...just because it's not the main part of his game doesn't make him not as good at it. Kobe is better than LeBron in every aspect of the game aside from power. thats all Lebron has on Kobe...power.
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right now neither kobe nor lebron is the MVP....both of their teams have been strugglin' against weak ass teams. am i saying that wade is the mvp right now....no, but it sure levels the playing field a lot.
stats aside. Kobe is the best player in the game....one on one, it's no contest, and wasn't no contest when they matched up.
are both great players. yes. Kobe is already a HOFer and Lebron is a hair away from being there as well.
i dont' get why there is such a rivalry amongst the fans.
Whoever wins the MVP will be the one who's team has the best record out of the cavs and lakers. simple as that. Both deserve it.
just like last year with CP3 and Kobe...the Hornets win the west Paul wins the MVP. can't knock that.
there is no rivalry amongst the fans...Cav/LeBron fans simply try to claim that LeBron is up there with Kobe, while the Laker fans just sit back and laugh. LOL.
Whyt are youy responding then??? Just sit and laugh if you aren't worried ;)
Wilkins was gfreat, but never lead his team anywhere. Wade has already lead his team to a chip, and Lebron is already, if he retired today, a far more complete player than WIlkins ever was. Lebron will win AT LEAST three titles before he is done,
Kobe has yet to LEAD his team to shit, right? right
Man, its obvious jealousy on the part of the Kobe fans. Lebron fans arent spending so much time attacking Kobe as Kobe fans spend attacking Lebron. Kobe fans dont like the fact that Lebron is receiving so much attention and Kobe isnt. That at this young age, Lebron is the face of the NBA and Kobe isnt. That NBA fans see Lebron as potentially the "next Jordan", and Kobe isnt. That Lebron is respected amongst the entire league and its fans, and Kobe isnt. Kobe is great, no doubt. But his fans are insecure.
LMAO...and you dont see any problem with this? the better player, harder worker, with 10 times the achievements under his belt gets way less respect due to media and marketing...and you're down? LOL. typical casual NBA fan.
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If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
lol makes sense..
how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
LeBron wasn't a scorer coming into the league? LOL. How stupid are you, man? Averaging 20+ points as a rookie pretty much solidifies your role as a scorer. The point is, you try to clown on people when they act like Kobe is amongst some of the greatest players ever when he clearly is. I can accept if you don't think Kobe is THE greatest, but to say he's not up there and to place him closer to LeBron/Wade than to Jordan/Magic is flat out retarded and is a common belief by those who don't understand the game. How have I spent a lifetime arguing with stats? I've always said that stats do not determine a better player, and the only time ive ever used stats was to support an argument, not to make one...and to top it off, i rarely use stats to begin with if its not head-to-head...make sure u know what you're sayin before u say it, son. Kobe is adaptable to anything basketball related. the reason for that is because he is a hard worker, the most conditioned person in the league, and he applies himself to what he does. combine that with his out-of-this-world skill and knack for the game of basketball and you'll see why LeBron still has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Kobe...why would Kobe NEED to shoot more shots if he were on the Cavs, you idiot? Mo Williams attempts more shot than any player on the Lakers not named Kobe. He's way more of a scorer than Odom or Gasol...LeBron has an offensively potent supporting cast, so quit acting like Cavs without LeBron are the 2005 Lakers who had Kwame, Luke, and Smush Parker starting...LOL. Kobe does not NEED structure, he ADAPTED to it...Kobe hated the triangle offense when Phil came along, he even claimed that it held his game back, but his greatness and will to succeed allowed him to adapt. Around 2003-2004, Kobe was BEGGING to play in a free-based offense, cuz that's the type of system his game would flourish in..his stats would be similar to Jordan pre-Phil Jackson if that were the case. After Shaq left, it took the Lakers 3 years to build a contender from scratch...3 FUCKIN YEARS. Name me another superstar who has led his team to greatness from a lottery team that fuckin quick? LOL...step it up, man. at least im arguing for a player im a fan of...you're just arguing cuz you're a hater and cuz Kobe has embarrassed the Spurs so many times...go talk about Duncan or Ginobli or something, you obsessed ass mufucka.
You have your head so far up Kobe's ass that you cant even argue against points Im actually making. When did I ever say Kobe wasnt one of the greatest players? Ive said a million times he's the second best 2 guard ever. So dont give me that bullshit. You just cant deal with the fact that only you and your fellow Kobe dicksuckers consider him THE greatest lol. And no, Lebron was not looked at as a SCORER when he first hit the league. One of the common complaints about his game was that he was too UNselfish and that he should shoot more. He turned into a scorer as needed. The thing you dont seem to get is, there are a couple different ways to rate great players. One is, great all time. Another is, great now. Two different things. Yes, for a career, Kobe is higher on the "greatness scale" (whatever that would be) then Lebron, or Wade. As far as great NOW, Lebron is as "great" as it gets at this moment. Face it, he's having a better year then Kobe. Just because you cant admit it, doesnt mean it isnt true. Real Laker fans would even agree. As far as the potency of the Cavs offense, Lebron is obviously better at creating offense for OTHERS then Kobe is. Kobe is great at creating his own offense, and at times does a good job of creating for others. But Lebrons game is more of a passer then Kobe's is...OBVIOUSLY. And yes Kobe needed that structure. Just because Kobe hated the triangle, doesnt mean it wasnt good for him. Leave it up to Kobe, yeah, he'd love a more free-lance offense where he could score 35ppg and his team could be .500. Him scoring more points, but having his team continuously suck would do nothing for his already damaged reputation as a "leader". If you want the name of a player who took their team from a lottery team to a contender faster...Duncan, 1 year. And as far as Kobe embarassing the Spurs lol. Im sure the Spurs success over the last decade has really been tainted by a few good games from Kobe LOL!. How many times would Kobe have been embarassed by us if his team was good enough to make it us in the playoffs during our title runs? Its not the Spurs fault that Kobe wasnt able to make his team relevant when we were winning titles. Kobe without an all-star bigman = 1st round Suns punching bag.
so many flaws in this post...LOL. "the Suns punching bag"...yea, cuz a 7 seed pushin a 2 seed to 7 games is really considered a "punching bag". and Kobe's "flawed reputation as a leader"? Oh, man, wtf? Where were you when every article in the sports world was reporting about how it took Kobe's leadership for Team USA to be relevant again? LMAO@Daygo and his hate for Kobe. and yes, you are mad at Kobe for shitting on the Spurs in the 3peat era. don't give me that shit about your team being successful this decade, if it werent for Kobe then San Antonio woulda probably had a shot at a back-to-back. LOL. Kobe right now > LeBron right now...ya'll Kobe haters just need to get over it already.
LeBron is more of a passer because he doesnt have as much offense as Kobe in his arsenal. If Kobe was as limited as LeBron, he'd be passing every other possession as well. that in no way means LeBron is a better passer. Kobe has made passes before that were reminiscent of Magic...just because it's not the main part of his game doesn't make him not as good at it. Kobe is better than LeBron in every aspect of the game aside from power. thats all Lebron has on Kobe...power.
Even you don't believe Kobe is as good a passer as Lebron so why type the above. DIfferent players, different strengths, but LEbron is a much better passer. Saying Kobe COULD get more assists is a cop out. He DOESN'T, so that settles it. ANd LEbron, if he is limited offensively, is doing alright considering he is averaging MORE POINTS on LESS SHOT ATTEMPTS!
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^what are you talkin about, yes i do, idiot...even that one lbj supporter, chamilitary, said the same thing...lebron makes more passes, yes, but kobe has better passes. doesnt mean he racks up as many assists, just means he can get the ball exactly where he wants with more efficiency. have you seen some of the passes kobe has completed before? just check youtube and stfu...kobe can be magicesque when he wants to.
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"lebron makes more passes, yes, but kobe has better passes"- NIK
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You are straight killing it homie. Isn't everything Kobe does better than everything Lebron does? So Lebron gets 2.5 more assists per game, but Kobe is still the better passer? Lebron's career avg. is better than Kobe;s best assist season ever, but Kobe is still better.
Too many of you guys live in "what-if" land. Fact is, Kobe has never out up big assist numbers. Could he? Yes, I am sure he has the skill to do so. But isn't sport all about RESULTS? I'm sure Jordan could've averaged more assists, I'm sure if Lebron wanted to be a ball hog he could go for 35 a game like Kobe did, but fact is he hasn't so I don't say he is as good a scorer as Kobe.
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And this isn't even a debate anymore, it's a wrap. Most Kobe fans acknowledge Lebron is having a better season.
The Cavs are the one team who is WAY better than people thought they would be (shouts to the Magic), and Lebron is the catalyst and best player on that team.
He will become the second youngest to ever win it, and he will win it by a fairly big margin.
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"lebron makes more passes, yes, but kobe has better passes"- NIK
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You are straight killing it homie. Isn't everything Kobe does better than everything Lebron does? So Lebron gets 2.5 more assists per game, but Kobe is still the better passer? Lebron's career avg. is better than Kobe;s best assist season ever, but Kobe is still better.
Too many of you guys live in "what-if" land. Fact is, Kobe has never out up big assist numbers. Could he? Yes, I am sure he has the skill to do so. But isn't sport all about RESULTS? I'm sure Jordan could've averaged more assists, I'm sure if Lebron wanted to be a ball hog he could go for 35 a game like Kobe did, but fact is he hasn't so I don't say he is as good a scorer as Kobe.
wtf are you talking about, moron?...what dont u get about my quote? if someone makes more passes, that doesnt make them a better passer...are u that fucking narrow-minded, man? this is pathetic.
kobe doesnt need as many assists as lebron does for his team to suceed, you dumb muthafucka. why is that so hard for u to get? if the lakers needed more assists and rebounds from kobe, then thats what he'd do. kobe does what he needs in order to win. you do what youre told. dumbfuck.
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lebron's the man
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
no...i resort to "immature name-calling" when it fits. to claim that the guy who took a D-League team and made them look good doesn't make his players better shows you to be a crackhead...therefore, I called you a crackhead. no need to read between any lines, i'm straight up with it. this has nothing to do with being a mod, you sensitive ass kid. i'm not randomly attacking members for the fuck of it, if i call you a dumbass it's because you said something dumb. if i called you a crackhead, best believe you said something crackish...man up and quit whining about it. "someone help me out here, the mod is attacking me!!" LMAO.
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
no...i resort to "immature name-calling" when it fits. to claim that the guy who took a D-League team and made them look good doesn't make his players better shows you to be a crackhead...therefore, I called you a crackhead. no need to read between any lines, i'm straight up with it. this has nothing to do with being a mod, you sensitive ass kid. i'm not randomly attacking members for the fuck of it, if i call you a dumbass it's because you said something dumb. if i called you a crackhead, best believe you said something crackish...man up and quit whining about it. "someone help me out here, the mod is attacking me!!" LMAO.
is kid a put-down? I am 29, but then, I guess, even though I have been on the board since almost the beginning, because I don't have as many posts as others I am a "kid." Fine.
And if I remember correctly, you weren't thinking they were a D-League team back then. In fact, you said they were better than the Suns. I guess, depending on the argument, you say whatever fits to help your cause.
SOmetimes, the Lakers supporting cast is great. But, if you want to make Kobe look better, you dis them. Sometimes the Cavs suck, but then if you want to make Lebron look bad, you give them props. So predictable.
Seriously, get the MOD to get rid of this NIK guy, so we can have intelligent threads without the name-calling and shit. Most people, when they lose an argument, take the "L". Others resort to grade school type shit
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
no...i resort to "immature name-calling" when it fits. to claim that the guy who took a D-League team and made them look good doesn't make his players better shows you to be a crackhead...therefore, I called you a crackhead. no need to read between any lines, i'm straight up with it. this has nothing to do with being a mod, you sensitive ass kid. i'm not randomly attacking members for the fuck of it, if i call you a dumbass it's because you said something dumb. if i called you a crackhead, best believe you said something crackish...man up and quit whining about it. "someone help me out here, the mod is attacking me!!" LMAO.
is kid a put-down? I am 29, but then, I guess, even though I have been on the board since almost the beginning, because I don't have as many posts as others I am a "kid." Fine.
And if I remember correctly, you weren't thinking they were a D-League team back then. In fact, you said they were better than the Suns. I guess, depending on the argument, you say whatever fits to help your cause.
SOmetimes, the Lakers supporting cast is great. But, if you want to make Kobe look better, you dis them. Sometimes the Cavs suck, but then if you want to make Lebron look bad, you give them props. So predictable.
Seriously, get the MOD to get rid of this NIK guy, so we can have intelligent threads without the name-calling and shit. Most people, when they lose an argument, take the "L". Others resort to grade school type shit
would you man up and quit your bitching already? seriously, bro. shits getting ridiculous. i always said that Kobe made his supporting casts better, and yes, when the '05 Lakers played to their full potential within the triangle, they were better than the Suns...but considering they were young, inexperienced players, they were not consistently able to bring their A-game to the table...would you just make your arguments instead of always finding ways to nutride mine? if everything i said had no merit to it, you wouldn't be getting this upset over it...just chill out and take it for what it is...PeACe
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this MVP race is really going to come down to whoever finishes with the best record in the NBA. I think right now both equally deserve it...but the one determining factor that will decide this is whoever has more W's at the end of the season.
honestly though.....is it worth arguing? i mean c'mon Kobe got it last year and we LOST the championship. i'd rather kobe LOSE the MVP and we WIN the championship.
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
LMAO
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
no.
it's only a race between kobe, lebron and dwyane. 3 bad asses with 3 weird ass names.
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
no...i resort to "immature name-calling" when it fits. to claim that the guy who took a D-League team and made them look good doesn't make his players better shows you to be a crackhead...therefore, I called you a crackhead. no need to read between any lines, i'm straight up with it. this has nothing to do with being a mod, you sensitive ass kid. i'm not randomly attacking members for the fuck of it, if i call you a dumbass it's because you said something dumb. if i called you a crackhead, best believe you said something crackish...man up and quit whining about it. "someone help me out here, the mod is attacking me!!" LMAO.
is kid a put-down? I am 29, but then, I guess, even though I have been on the board since almost the beginning, because I don't have as many posts as others I am a "kid." Fine.
And if I remember correctly, you weren't thinking they were a D-League team back then. In fact, you said they were better than the Suns. I guess, depending on the argument, you say whatever fits to help your cause.
SOmetimes, the Lakers supporting cast is great. But, if you want to make Kobe look better, you dis them. Sometimes the Cavs suck, but then if you want to make Lebron look bad, you give them props. So predictable.
Seriously, get the MOD to get rid of this NIK guy, so we can have intelligent threads without the name-calling and shit. Most people, when they lose an argument, take the "L". Others resort to grade school type shit
would you man up and quit your bitching already? seriously, bro. shits getting ridiculous. i always said that Kobe made his supporting casts better, and yes, when the '05 Lakers played to their full potential within the triangle, they were better than the Suns...but considering they were young, inexperienced players, they were not consistently able to bring their A-game to the table...would you just make your arguments instead of always finding ways to nutride mine? if everything i said had no merit to it, you wouldn't be getting this upset over it...just chill out and take it for what it is...PeACe
That is like saying the Pacers (this year) are better than all of the teams ahead of them, because WHEN they play at their best, they have beat many good teams.
Fact is, NIk, you live in a fantasy world of what-if's and maybe's, not what actually happened.
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lebron's the man
No doubt man.
And NIK, when Kobe's team DID need him to make his teammates better, he still didn't get many assists. You act like Kobe can do whatever it takes for his team to win, but up until last year he sure wasn't doing it then, was he? When his team struggles, he just puts up more shots, plain and simple.
LOL...wtf are u smokin, crackhead. Kobe took a team of a starting five that consisted of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to 7 games vs. a 2nd seeded team. He made all them players look like legit starters... look at the contracts all 3 of them got after that...step it up, son.
As far as I am concerned, he lead then to a huge choke job when they were up 3-1, nd STILL lost. In fact, dude didn't even bother to show up for Game 7, just like last year against the Celtics.
Crackhead, moron, faggot, homo, etc. When your arguments make no sense, you resort to immature name calling. SOmeone find the MOD and get this guy under control. Surely this section has a MOD, right?
no...i resort to "immature name-calling" when it fits. to claim that the guy who took a D-League team and made them look good doesn't make his players better shows you to be a crackhead...therefore, I called you a crackhead. no need to read between any lines, i'm straight up with it. this has nothing to do with being a mod, you sensitive ass kid. i'm not randomly attacking members for the fuck of it, if i call you a dumbass it's because you said something dumb. if i called you a crackhead, best believe you said something crackish...man up and quit whining about it. "someone help me out here, the mod is attacking me!!" LMAO.
is kid a put-down? I am 29, but then, I guess, even though I have been on the board since almost the beginning, because I don't have as many posts as others I am a "kid." Fine.
And if I remember correctly, you weren't thinking they were a D-League team back then. In fact, you said they were better than the Suns. I guess, depending on the argument, you say whatever fits to help your cause.
SOmetimes, the Lakers supporting cast is great. But, if you want to make Kobe look better, you dis them. Sometimes the Cavs suck, but then if you want to make Lebron look bad, you give them props. So predictable.
Seriously, get the MOD to get rid of this NIK guy, so we can have intelligent threads without the name-calling and shit. Most people, when they lose an argument, take the "L". Others resort to grade school type shit
would you man up and quit your bitching already? seriously, bro. shits getting ridiculous. i always said that Kobe made his supporting casts better, and yes, when the '05 Lakers played to their full potential within the triangle, they were better than the Suns...but considering they were young, inexperienced players, they were not consistently able to bring their A-game to the table...would you just make your arguments instead of always finding ways to nutride mine? if everything i said had no merit to it, you wouldn't be getting this upset over it...just chill out and take it for what it is...PeACe
That is like saying the Pacers (this year) are better than all of the teams ahead of them, because WHEN they play at their best, they have beat many good teams.
Fact is, NIk, you live in a fantasy world of what-if's and maybe's, not what actually happened.
IMO, the Pacers at full strength could compete with elite level teams, so that wouldn't be far off...LOL.
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i would agree with that pacer sentiment. granger, mikey d, troy murphy, tj ford, jack, daniels, ect....that's a solid line up. Blazer east.
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i would agree with that pacer sentiment. granger, mikey d, troy murphy, tj ford, jack, daniels, ect....that's a solid line up. Blazer east.
Yup its a shame that something always has to go wrong w/ the Pacers, if we would of been at full strength for the majority of this season I honestly think we would be in the 4th or 5th position in the East right now
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i would agree with that pacer sentiment. granger, mikey d, troy murphy, tj ford, jack, daniels, ect....that's a solid line up. Blazer east.
Yup its a shame that something always has to go wrong w/ the Pacers, if we would of been at full strength for the majority of this season I honestly think we would be in the 4th or 5th position in the East right now
i think you make the 5th seed within 1.5 games behind the hawks.
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i would agree with that pacer sentiment. granger, mikey d, troy murphy, tj ford, jack, daniels, ect....that's a solid line up. Blazer east.
Yup its a shame that something always has to go wrong w/ the Pacers, if we would of been at full strength for the majority of this season I honestly think we would be in the 4th or 5th position in the East right now
i think you make the 5th seed within 1.5 games behind the hawks.
I agree man, I'm watching Pacers-Spurs right now, good game so far
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
I think that's a good list actually, nobody gives Howard credit in the MVP race, but he has to be the guy every single night for that team. They have barely missed a beat since Jameer Nelson went down, part of that has been Rafer Alston, but Howard has them on the same level as the Celtics and Cavs. If you compare the 2nd options out of all these MVP candidates, only Wade has a worse sidekick. It's a decent supporting cast, especially how they fit alongside Howard, but he is the engine that makes that team go.
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i would agree with that pacer sentiment. granger, mikey d, troy murphy, tj ford, jack, daniels, ect....that's a solid line up. Blazer east.
Yup its a shame that something always has to go wrong w/ the Pacers, if we would of been at full strength for the majority of this season I honestly think we would be in the 4th or 5th position in the East right now
i think you make the 5th seed within 1.5 games behind the hawks.
I agree man, I'm watching Pacers-Spurs right now, good game so far
Pacers are always worth watching, but obviously lack consistency. They CAN beat the elite teams, but to be one you have to win night in and night out. They may do some damage next year.
Tough loss to the Spurs but a great game to watch
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
I think that's a good list actually, nobody gives Howard credit in the MVP race, but he has to be the guy every single night for that team. They have barely missed a beat since Jameer Nelson went down, part of that has been Rafer Alston, but Howard has them on the same level as the Celtics and Cavs. If you compare the 2nd options out of all these MVP candidates, only Wade has a worse sidekick. It's a decent supporting cast, especially how they fit alongside Howard, but he is the engine that makes that team go.
i love dwight, he's one of my top 5 fav players but i think he's a distant 4th in the race. you have to give, rashard lewis, jameer nelson/alston, and turk a lot of credit for the magic's success.
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think about it though...
are points really the only thing that decide these things?
Dwight = a solid 21 ppg, leads the league in rebounds & blocks. :o
thats defense & rebounding!
i think LeBron is MVP, but i wouldnt argue against Dwight being mentioned for second right up there with Kobe & Wade.
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
LMAO
What's your definition of MVP Elior? I think if you take Howard off the Magic, they fall into oblivion. Not as much as the Cavs and LBJ, but it'd be very significant. I put Kobe at 3 because eventhough he's great, you could replace him and that team could hold it's own.
I can't imagine how much Elior must hate Howard. I mean, I know it's gotta be a crushing reality to know that Bumknee will never be the player that Howard is. Dubcc, be prepared for years of hate from angry little nikkie on this subject.
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^honestly, you dont even have to replace Kobe.
if he went down with an injury next season that kept him out, the Lakers would still make the playoffs lol.
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It's a lock, second youngest player ever to win the MVP.=LBJ
Wade will get one when his team gets better (which they will no doubt). Kobe could likely get another one but he may have to put up better numbers, and he doesn't need to on that Lakers team. He should focus on Playoff MVP's. Paul will get one, maybe Howard. Next few years gonna be interesting. But this year, its no question as to who the MVP is.
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Howard better have like 3 before he retires lol.
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
LMAO
What's your definition of MVP Elior? I think if you take Howard off the Magic, they fall into oblivion. Not as much as the Cavs and LBJ, but it'd be very significant. I put Kobe at 3 because eventhough he's great, you could replace him and that team could hold it's own.
I can't imagine how much Elior must hate Howard. I mean, I know it's gotta be a crushing reality to know that Bumknee will never be the player that Howard is. Dubcc, be prepared for years of hate from angry little nikkie on this subject.
are you serious? ahahaha . why don't we take tonight for example. Howard's performance vs. Philadelphia was balanced out by the rets of Orlando's starting 5 and Orlando won. Dwifgt made 4 shots. Dwight's nowhere near the level of a player like Kobe yet. To mention Howard in MVP talks is ridiculous..Lakers wouldn't make the playoffs without Kobe...there are better rosters in the west than the Lakers minus Kobe. even Phoenix couldn't make it...shit, the Clippers with BD, Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph, Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, AL Thronton, etc. couldn't even get 20 wins in the west LOL. come on, Jromo.
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i have no problem with lebron winning it this year.
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
LMAO
What's your definition of MVP Elior? I think if you take Howard off the Magic, they fall into oblivion. Not as much as the Cavs and LBJ, but it'd be very significant. I put Kobe at 3 because eventhough he's great, you could replace him and that team could hold it's own.
I can't imagine how much Elior must hate Howard. I mean, I know it's gotta be a crushing reality to know that Bumknee will never be the player that Howard is. Dubcc, be prepared for years of hate from angry little nikkie on this subject.
are you serious? ahahaha . why don't we take tonight for example. Howard's performance vs. Philadelphia was balanced out by the rets of Orlando's starting 5 and Orlando won. Dwifgt made 4 shots. Dwight's nowhere near the level of a player like Kobe yet. To mention Howard in MVP talks is ridiculous..Lakers wouldn't make the playoffs without Kobe...there are better rosters in the west than the Lakers minus Kobe. even Phoenix couldn't make it...shit, the Clippers with BD, Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph, Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, AL Thronton, etc. couldn't even get 20 wins in the west LOL. come on, Jromo.
Dog, it's the fuckin CLIPPERS!!!! Worst franchise ever, bad example...
The Lakers are the deepest team in the league. If Kobe were out and had to be replaced, they are still legit. Of course w/o Kobe they aren't fucking ridiculous like they are now, but they are still legit. Take Howard outta the Magic lineup and that team sucks balls and wouldn't compete...and that's in the EAST.
Seriously though, define what an MVP is to you...
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The LAKERs are DEEEEP! With Bynum back now, everytime I watch them, I think how there is no way in hell they shouldn't win the title. They have the most talent by far. Bynum, Odom, AND Gasol? Ridiculous.
Without Kobe, they would still be a decent team with the triangle system and the players they have. They wouldn't be elite, but EVERY team would be MUCH worse without their top star. Thing is, Lakers have guys who would score ALOT more (Bynum, as NIK argued before), and Odom, maybe Ariza (he has stepped it up in the playoffs).
I don't understand why Lakers fans would want to discredit the rest of the team to make Kobe look like the MVP. Lakers would still be a playoff team with Kobe, but with him they are the favourite to win it all, the most athletic and the most talented, with the most size.
Lebron for MVP........when they gonna announce that?
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LeBron is mvp. Howard is 2. Kobe is 3. CP3 is 4. Wade is 5.
LMAO
What's your definition of MVP Elior? I think if you take Howard off the Magic, they fall into oblivion. Not as much as the Cavs and LBJ, but it'd be very significant. I put Kobe at 3 because eventhough he's great, you could replace him and that team could hold it's own.
I can't imagine how much Elior must hate Howard. I mean, I know it's gotta be a crushing reality to know that Bumknee will never be the player that Howard is. Dubcc, be prepared for years of hate from angry little nikkie on this subject.
are you serious? ahahaha . why don't we take tonight for example. Howard's performance vs. Philadelphia was balanced out by the rets of Orlando's starting 5 and Orlando won. Dwifgt made 4 shots. Dwight's nowhere near the level of a player like Kobe yet. To mention Howard in MVP talks is ridiculous..Lakers wouldn't make the playoffs without Kobe...there are better rosters in the west than the Lakers minus Kobe. even Phoenix couldn't make it...shit, the Clippers with BD, Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph, Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, AL Thronton, etc. couldn't even get 20 wins in the west LOL. come on, Jromo.
Dog, it's the fuckin CLIPPERS!!!! Worst franchise ever, bad example...
The Lakers are the deepest team in the league. If Kobe were out and had to be replaced, they are still legit. Of course w/o Kobe they aren't fucking ridiculous like they are now, but they are still legit. Take Howard outta the Magic lineup and that team sucks balls and wouldn't compete...and that's in the EAST.
Seriously though, define what an MVP is to you...
What are you getting at? The Lakers minus Kobe are like the Gasol-led Grizzlies of a couple years back or some shit. LOL. not cuttin it... the point is, Kobe is the motor for the Lakers, he's what drives 'em...he's point-blank the reason we are currently contending for a title. to me, that's doing as much for your team as possible- leading them to being the most targeted team in the league. he does whatever it takes to be successful...nobody has the will the win like Kobe does. to me, an MVP is the best player in the league who does the most to bring success to his team...THAT IS KOBE. no one else. you can give me all this nonsense about Dwight doing this, and LeBron doing that, but the fact of the matter is they're not on Kobe's level. You trade Dwight for Kobe and the Magic are hands down the number 1 team in the east:
PG Jameer Nelson
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Hedo Turkoglu
PF Rashard Lewis
C Tony Battie
LOL...see what I'm sayin. it's like an all-star squad minus Battie. Kobe=best player in the league=MVP. hands down.