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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 14, 2009, 02:22:20 PM
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After all, it IS Sports Entertainment.
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
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how does that take skill? :P
Of course it takes skill
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
it takes more athleticism, strength, power and speed than you can image.
do yourself a favour and search 'rob van dam' on youtube and then ask that same question 8)
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LOL what? :D
how does it take skill to win a fixed fight & not even like with the officiating making it fixed, but both fighters in the ring are aware of each others moves & what happens next & who wins the fight before it starts lol.
Big Show = not athletic or fast
Rey Mysterio = not strong & has no power
everybody has there own role & personality for the fans.
i could go to Vince & say look here is my character, here is my finisher, i think i can draw a big fan base & within a year i could convince the writers to give me the WWE belt lmao. :laugh:
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LOL what? :D
how does it take skill to win a fixed fight & not even like with the officiating making it fixed, but both fighters in the ring are aware of each others moves & what happens next & who wins the fight before it starts lol.
Big Show = not athletic or fast
Rey Mysterio = not strong & has no power
everybody has there own role & personality for the fans.
i could go to Vince & say look here is my character, here is my finisher, i think i can draw a big fan base & within a year i could convince the writers to give me the WWE belt lmao. :laugh:
u gotta at least b inshape but yea its more of an entertainment thing
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LOL what? :D
how does it take skill to win a fixed fight & not even like with the officiating making it fixed, but both fighters in the ring are aware of each others moves & what happens next & who wins the fight before it starts lol.
Big Show = not athletic or fast
Rey Mysterio = not strong & has no power
everybody has there own role & personality for the fans.
i could go to Vince & say look here is my character, here is my finisher, i think i can draw a big fan base & within a year i could convince the writers to give me the WWE belt lmao. :laugh:
It takes skill to make the fight look as real or good as possible. There is also competition among the Wrestlers to see who gets more air time, who gets called up. Not just any random fuck can go to the top, you gotta have something going on. Not only are Wrestlers actors, but they gotta sell matches and mostly all of them are in top condition.
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LOL what? :D
how does it take skill to win a fixed fight & not even like with the officiating making it fixed, but both fighters in the ring are aware of each others moves & what happens next & who wins the fight before it starts lol.
Big Show = not athletic or fast
Rey Mysterio = not strong & has no power
everybody has there own role & personality for the fans.
i could go to Vince & say look here is my character, here is my finisher, i think i can draw a big fan base & within a year i could convince the writers to give me the WWE belt lmao. :laugh:
It takes skill to make the fight look as real or good as possible. There is also competition among the Wrestlers to see who gets more air time, who gets called up. Not just any random fuck can go to the top, you gotta have something going on. Not only are Wrestlers actors, but they gotta sell matches and mostly all of them are in top condition.
thats my point though, they are actors.
it takes skill to do what they do, i was mistaken when i said it didnt; but that still doesnt make it a sport.
its purely entertainment; some are in great shape, but then the best (Cena, HHH, Batista, Orton, etc.) are all on steroids anyway.
but they entertain me, so i guess its still why i tune in every week. :P
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Lawerence Taylor one of the greatest linebackers of all time said his match at wrestlemania was one of the hardest things he has ever done in his life. The outcome may be fixed but to act like these guys aren't skilled and aren't athletes is ridiculous. Now back to the topic at hand... this is one of those trick questions isn't it lol.
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Best sig ever ^
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Best sig ever ^
dont get pumped Tommy, he is NOT talking about Johan. :P :D
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It's the storytelling aspect of wrestling that makes it the most difficult. You can get any motherfucker to do a flip or jump through a flaming table, but if it doesn't have any meaning then who gives a shit?
That's the part of wrestling that's a dying art form: most of the "entertainers" couldn't tell a story if their life depended on it.
As for if it's "sports" or "entertainment", that's all subjective. It's definitely not 100% of either.
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theres no doubt it takes skill, and even athletisism...but does that make it a "sport"?
Like Chamillitary said...the outcome IS fixed. How can a sport have a script?
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It's the storytelling aspect of wrestling that makes it the most difficult. You can get any motherfucker to do a flip or jump through a flaming table, but if it doesn't have any meaning then who gives a shit?
That's the part of wrestling that's a dying art form: most of the "entertainers" couldn't tell a story if their life depended on it.
As for if it's "sports" or "entertainment", that's all subjective. It's definitely not 100% of either.
Jeff Hardy...great example. Great athlete, exciting to watch, great in the ring....shitty on the mic lol
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
it takes more athleticism, strength, power and speed than you can image.
do yourself a favour and search 'rob van dam' on youtube and then ask that same question 8)
so does Break Dancing. ;)
btw, isnt RVD a fuckin drug addict...and not just steroids lol
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
it takes more athleticism, strength, power and speed than you can image.
do yourself a favour and search 'rob van dam' on youtube and then ask that same question 8)
so does Break Dancing. ;)
btw, isnt RVD a fuckin drug addict...and not just steroids lol
RVD was the fuckin man! i use to love him & Kane on their tag-team shit. 8)
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
Hey the NBA is fixed & its still considered a sport by some. There a few times where wrestling is more real than the NBA. And before someone questions that, I even know a couple of laker fans who even say the NBA is fixed. They'll say fixed for Jordan.
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
it takes more athleticism, strength, power and speed than you can image.
do yourself a favour and search 'rob van dam' on youtube and then ask that same question 8)
so does Break Dancing. ;)
btw, isnt RVD a fuckin drug addict...and not just steroids lol
If smoking weed makes you a drug addict, then I guess he is.
But as far as it not being a sport because there's a pre-determined winner: well, they do compete to put on the best show possible (at least most fo them do). There's competitiveness in that aspect, but not the traditional way a real sport does.
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
Hey the NBA is fixed & its still considered a sport by some. There a few times where wrestling is more real than the NBA. And before someone questions that, I even know a couple of laker fans who even say the NBA is fixed. They'll say fixed for Jordan.
Laker fans always think the NBA is fixed, when they dont win a championship. But cmon man. Boxing is probably the most corrupt sport in the US....and its STILL nowhere near as fixed as wrestling. There's a fuckin script lol.
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
it takes more athleticism, strength, power and speed than you can image.
do yourself a favour and search 'rob van dam' on youtube and then ask that same question 8)
so does Break Dancing. ;)
btw, isnt RVD a fuckin drug addict...and not just steroids lol
If smoking weed makes you a drug addict, then I guess he is.
But as far as it not being a sport because there's a pre-determined winner: well, they do compete to put on the best show possible (at least most fo them do). There's competitiveness in that aspect, but not the traditional way a real sport does.
yeah. I mean, the show they are trying to put on is one where fans...think the wrestlers are really in the ring fighting eachother, doing physical damage to one another.
Bret Hart from his HOF Induction Speech~ "I never injured one wrestler in the ring"
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110% entertainment; its fixed, lmao.
how does that take skill? :P
Hey the NBA is fixed & its still considered a sport by some. There a few times where wrestling is more real than the NBA. And before someone questions that, I even know a couple of laker fans who even say the NBA is fixed. They'll say fixed for Jordan.
Laker fans always think the NBA is fixed, when they dont win a championship. But cmon man. Boxing is probably the most corrupt sport in the US....and its STILL nowhere near as fixed as wrestling.
I try to 4get about boxing. Its obvious in that, especially when Don King is in the sport. I remember DDP mentioning boxing being fixed. When they do get games fixed for them, Laker fans won't admit its fixed. Except when in 2002 Snoop Dogg admitted the refs screwed Sacramento in game 6. Everyone else denied it ::)
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
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Kevin Nash said it himself - it's not a sport, it's entertainment. Though it does require skills & athleticism.
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Kevin Nash said it himself - it's not a sport, it's entertainment. Though it does require skills & athleticism.
^^ Kevin Nash has neither^^lol
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Kevin Nash said it himself - it's not a sport, it's entertainment. Though it does require skills & athleticism.
^^ Kevin Nash has neither^^lol
^^+1
im thinkin I might do this everytime i read one of your posts as long as your sig stay the same 8)
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
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does it really matter what section its posted in? lol
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does it really matter what section its posted in? lol
Without a doubt. lol
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
what Im saying is, Pro Wrestling has a script....they arent actually fighting. They are pretending to fight...following a script. No different then if Im an actor, pretending to fight, in a fighting movie.
You wouldnt say acting is a sport if its on the big screen....so why would it be a sport otherwise?
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It's called sports entertainment and could belong in other or both categories on this forum. It's not like fixed sports because in fixed sports like boxing the matches are all real competitions until someone decides to stage a fixed fight. In wrestling today they are all predetermined until someone gets pissed and starts actually fighting (which rarely ever happens).
The reason I would put it in the sports section is because it is rooted in sport. Wrestling was once real and could be again. Some would argue that it already is the case of UFC and MMA. The resurgence of MMA started because Japanese Wrestling promoters decided to their "fake" wrestlers actually fight. And with the gaining popularity of UFC there is no guaranteeing that the WWE might not one day go back to being real wrestling.
Vince McMahon himself promoted the Brawl For All in the 90s which was real sport and while he never fully promoted real fight sports, Jess McMahon once upon a time did.
I say just leave it where it is because it's closer to what Fedor and Vitali do than what Sean Penn does. It's more of a sport than Golf and Golf belongs here. Yes Golf is a real competition but so is freestyle rapping.
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
what Im saying is, Pro Wrestling has a script....they arent actually fighting. They are pretending to fight...following a script. No different then if Im an actor, pretending to fight, in a fighting movie.
You wouldnt say acting is a sport if its on the big screen....so why would it be a sport otherwise?
ummm...they are fighting. the outcome is just pre-determined. it's not like a movie, where it's scripted scene by scene. LOL.
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
what Im saying is, Pro Wrestling has a script....they arent actually fighting. They are pretending to fight...following a script. No different then if Im an actor, pretending to fight, in a fighting movie.
You wouldnt say acting is a sport if its on the big screen....so why would it be a sport otherwise?
ummm...they are fighting. the outcome is just pre-determined. it's not like a movie, where it's scripted scene by scene. LOL.
lol...actually, it is.
http://destinationwrestling.forumcommunity.net/?t=25192440
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it's all planned.
have you ever seen John Cena fight?
he does the same move set to finish opponets match after match.
he gives back to back diving shoulders off the ropes, his opponet stands up & throws a right hand like he is trying to knock him out but Cena ducks under 100% of the time & then he does like a backwards suplex, the 5 Knuckle-Shuffle & then finishes him with his F-U or whatever he calls it now.
i mean that happens in literally every single John Cena match, you would think that the opponet would realize what is going on and not try to look like every other wrestler Cena has faced before, if it wasn't 100% planned lol.
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it's all planned.
have you ever seen John Cena fight?
he does the same move set to finish opponets match after match.
he gives back to back diving shoulders off the ropes, his opponet stands up & throws a right hand like he is trying to knock him out but Cena ducks under 100% of the time & then he does like a backwards suplex, the 5 Knuckle-Shuffle & then finishes him with his F-U or whatever he calls it now.
i mean that happens in literally every single John Cena match, you would think that the opponet would realize what is going on and not try to look like every other wrestler Cena has faced before, if it wasn't 100% planned lol.
yeah, and big show would be serving multiple life sentences right now for killing fucks. haha
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it's all planned.
have you ever seen John Cena fight?
he does the same move set to finish opponets match after match.
he gives back to back diving shoulders off the ropes, his opponet stands up & throws a right hand like he is trying to knock him out but Cena ducks under 100% of the time & then he does like a backwards suplex, the 5 Knuckle-Shuffle & then finishes him with his F-U or whatever he calls it now.
i mean that happens in literally every single John Cena match, you would think that the opponet would realize what is going on and not try to look like every other wrestler Cena has faced before, if it wasn't 100% planned lol.
yeah, and big show would be serving multiple life sentences right now for killing fucks. haha
lol word.
& you can try to throw anybody in the world through a 7,000 watt searchlight & i garentee they die. :P
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
what Im saying is, Pro Wrestling has a script....they arent actually fighting. They are pretending to fight...following a script. No different then if Im an actor, pretending to fight, in a fighting movie.
You wouldnt say acting is a sport if its on the big screen....so why would it be a sport otherwise?
ummm...they are fighting. the outcome is just pre-determined. it's not like a movie, where it's scripted scene by scene. LOL.
lol...actually, it is.
http://destinationwrestling.forumcommunity.net/?t=25192440
dude, not every move is scripted one after the other...i was a big wrestling fan back in the day and i know for a fact it aint like that. the outcome is scripted and, yea, some sequences are scripted, but a lot of the time it's also freestyle.
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It's a sport...might be a fixed sport, but it's still a sport. there doesn't have to be a winner for it to be considered a sport, riding a bike is considered a sport. break-dancing is considered a sport. shooting at a gun range can be considered a sport. wrestling is a sport just as much as it is entertainment. a scripted sport? yes. but still a sport...PeACe
yeah, but bike riding, break dancing & shooting a gun isnt scripted or choreographed.
break dancing can be choreographed, actually
So if Im an actor, making a basketball movie....does that make acting a sport?
it makes it a sport movie
what Im saying is, Pro Wrestling has a script....they arent actually fighting. They are pretending to fight...following a script. No different then if Im an actor, pretending to fight, in a fighting movie.
You wouldnt say acting is a sport if its on the big screen....so why would it be a sport otherwise?
ummm...they are fighting. the outcome is just pre-determined. it's not like a movie, where it's scripted scene by scene. LOL.
lol...actually, it is.
http://destinationwrestling.forumcommunity.net/?t=25192440
dude, not every move is scripted one after the other...i was a big wrestling fan back in the day and i know for a fact it aint like that. the outcome is scripted and, yea, some sequences are scripted, but a lot of the time it's also freestyle.
There are certain wrestlers, like Randy Savage, that sit in a room and compose matches and some even rehearse them with opponents, but it is very rare. The art of pro wrestling is almost always improv. It's based around the idea that two wrestlers can change the match to the liking of the crowd if need be. If you headline a card where undercard matches consisted of slow build to big finish matches and the crowd hated it two experienced workers will see that and work there match to give the crowd a show.
All pro wrestling would need to do is add three judges to the side and base who wins on a score given by the judges to the ref's ear piece and it'd be an Olympic event. It's way more of a sport than figure skating.
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it takes plenty of skill and ur body takes such a beating. Lesnar said WWE was harder then MMA, he said body was more beat up on a daily basis. Take a fall on the mat and tell me it doesnt take skill, that mat isnt soft..
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Not to mention that they have to work over 200 days a year and there isnt 6 months off after Wrestlemania..LOL@ some of these people acting like its easy being a wwe superstar, such ignorance ::)
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and matches are improv for most superstars they have beginnings endings and certain spots planned, but there is no way to remember every move in a long ass fuckin match, some guys like Big show who compete in shorter matches and arent as athletic might have the whole match planned, but no chance in hell does REY go in there and plan each move, if watched many things on wrestling and its always the same thing being said as what i just said.