West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND! on May 16, 2009, 09:44:25 AM
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i believe in a good steak dinner with a potato and a salad on the side.
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Hip-Hop. has grown up so has the majority of it's "OG" fanbase.
Now. The music is mostly recycled stuff we heard 1000x before.
I'm out!
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Nas lost for stating Hip-Hop is Dead.
As you age everything start to sound the same.
The dance and bop shit is a part of hip-hop. Get the fuck over yourselves.
Move on!
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You still get guys with creativity bringing it, Lupe Fiasco springs to mind. In general people who be themselves instead of conforming to what has worked in the past tend to be what's fresh about hip hop right now. Asher Roth's album may have been disappointing but dude has created a whole new niche in hip hop.
Party records were a big part of early hip hop, so I don't get why people would complain about them. I like to listen to, for example, 50 Cent bangers when I'm out and getting drunk just as much as I like to listen to Bone Thugs when I'm getting high or Jay-Z when I want to hear some dope wordplay.
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^^^^ i think theres a suprising amount of hip hop fans like that. I know quite a few people who really like Lil Wayne yet own albums by Mos Def, Monch, Blu etc Tbh the mainstream is no longer dominated by dope rappers and a lot of the talented rappers seem misguided. Instead of trying to go platinum or sign a million dollar deal they should focus on making quality music that creates its own hype. How can you tour if you don't have an album out? How can you create that connection with fans if they are endlessly waiting for your debut?
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Agreed although I'd say liking Lil Wayne is a little too far ;)
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Very few rappers want to move away from the formula. I'll say this about Eminem. He very rarely just throws the popular rapper on his album. His guests are usually in-house people. He has 50 Cent or D-12 or someone that is fucking with Aftermath or Shady. He don't get the most obvious person in the world to sing his hooks. He gets a Dina Rae or flips a Dido sample or something. That's the one thing that depresses me when I look at these albums. The music isn't consistent. I look at the back of Jada's new shit and it's more fucking guest features than songs. The album itself is all over the place. Some of it is really dope and some of it is pretty awful. Rappers are so caught up in making the record that radio stations want instead of the one that works for them. For all these Lil Wayne collabos floating around, how many of them are just 16 bars and how many are genuine collaborations?
Here's a question to throw out: When was the last time you heard a collaboration between two artists where you actually felt like it was chemistry in the studio and not just someone phoning in a hot 16? I don't know maybe I'm just fucking weird about this but I look at all these goddamn guest features on people's shit and even if it's two artists I dig, it's never any good.
The last great collaboration I can think of was probably "Hate It or Love It". 50 and Game both own that fucking song.
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On the mainstream level there hasn't been a collab as powerful since Hate It or Love It.
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Hip-hop started in New York in the 1970s when niggas got sick of trying to come up with original content and started stealing the drum breaks out of dance songs. MCs make fun of the crowd and talk themselves up over the shitty patchwork "music", until two MC's eventually get in a flame war with each other. Crews be called out, niggas be makin dey Mama's cry. Same shit different decade. If rap artists didn't pull this "war" shit every few months, sales would drop and they wouldn't have any cash to pay those lovely big-assed niggettes.
-ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA
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Hip Hop is dead b/c society is dead.
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Society is dead? you need a tissue?
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Society is dead? you need a tissue?
Yes my nose is runny from a cold. Why are you so angry though, your father molested you didn't he ?
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Society is dead? you need a tissue?
Yes my nose is runny from a cold. Why are you so angry though, your father molested you didn't he ?
Yes, I am mad. Really mad! Like mad as in angry. I have anger. He only saves me for last, he had to fuck you and your family first.
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Society is dead? you need a tissue?
Yes my nose is runny from a cold. Why are you so angry though, your father molested you didn't he ?
Yes, I am mad. Really mad! Like mad as in angry. I have anger. He only saves me for last, he had to fuck you and your family first.
Thats the best you could do ? Delete your account and come back under a new name.
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Society is dead? you need a tissue?
Yes my nose is runny from a cold. Why are you so angry though, your father molested you didn't he ?
Yes, I am mad. Really mad! Like mad as in angry. I have anger. He only saves me for last, he had to fuck you and your family first.
Thats the best you could do ? Delete your account and come back under a new name.
Is that from experience?
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To get back on topic yeah Eminem is definately one of those who doesn't conform, he's one of those who popularized "being yourself" in rap music, although obviously he had the Slim Shady side of him too. He does follow his own formula, but that's cool, because at least he created his own style to copy. Personally I wasn't delighted with Relapse because I felt it lacked substance, but regardless, Eminem has taken multi-syllable rapping to a whole new level and the guy is constantly evolving. From Infinite to Relapse, every album has been different and they guy has proved extremely versatile. I personally don't like the accents either, but Eminem is one of the few left in the game, along with the likes of Lupe, with some creativity, and at least he is trying new things instead of using the autotune or something like that.
As far as collabs go, yeah, Hate It or Love It was probably the last dope mainstream collab, although did nobody feel that Jay and Nas shared chemistry on the two songs that they did together? I also think Game comes correct on some of the guest appearances that he has done, obviously he generally tries to copy the person's flow but it often comes across nice on the track. I can't think about a verse off the top of my head which I loved which he dropped with one other person on the track but if I recall correctly he had good chemistry on his verse on the Bone Thugs song "Streets" (although Bone Thugs can make dope collabs with pretty much ANYONE to be fair) and the song he did with Cube and WC - "Get Used to It" was also hot.
Nothing in comparison to the chemistry you used to see though. Biggie and Jay spring to mind where they would be competing to lyrically tear up the track.