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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: S P I C E on May 21, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
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How can this even be debated?
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Cus there are certain fans who dont know the game very well and still judge a player based on their ESPN highlights
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^^^^ true but I dont think this one is debated ... as of now the only position you can debate on when it comes to the GOAT is the Center one ... Magic, Jordan, Bird ( LBJ might/should be in the conversation when he retires) and Timmy are unquestionable imo
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isnt there a thread like this about him every year?
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isnt there a thread like this about him every year?
probably lol, I just dont think it is said enough
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How can this even be debated?
It can't.
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yep duncan has been sensational from the very first season he entered the nba, it just goes to prove what a good couple of years at college can do for your nba career. i mean look at brandon roy too. duncan is the apitome of excellent offensive and defensive fundamentals. and the scary thing is his game as never relied on been athletic so his skills shouldnt reduce to much over the coming years......hall of famer no brainer
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Kevin Garnett is better
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How can this even be debated?
'cause as much as I hate him, Karl Malone also is pretty highly ranks, along with Charles Barkley and Elvin Hayes. You might be right, but at the same time, it's a tough argument to make.
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Kevin Garnett is better
you don't really believe that do you?
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Its definately debatable IMO....I would say its close between TD the Mailman and KG....Im not mad if you think TD is the best tho, but its a tough call.
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Kevin Garnett is better
you don't really believe that do you?
sad thing is, he probably does. But to be real, KG is not even in the conversation.
If there is any argument for a PF other then Duncan, it would the Mailman or Barkley. The thing is, TD will have just as good a career as those two...+ all the MVPs, Finals MVPs, Championship rings.
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Kevin Garnett is better
you don't really believe that do you?
sad thing is, he probably does. But to be real, KG is not even in the conversation.
If there is any argument for a PF other then Duncan, it would the Mailman or Barkley. The thing is, TD will have just as good a career as those two...+ all the MVPs, Finals MVPs, Championship rings.
both me and NIK have said KG > TD
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in their primes i think i would have taken KG.
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in their primes i think i would have taken KG.
exactly...its not HIS fault he was stuck on the T-wolves for years and wasn't given THE ADMIRAL DAVID ROBINSON to play with
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Garnett, no. But spice you know u can debate Karl Malone. He would have had 3 or 4 titles too if not for MJ and Hakeem. Duncan won his titles in an era that was kind of weak between 02-07..After the Lakers 3 peat the league was weak, I mean shit the HEAT Won a title..Not taking anything away from TD he is amazing, and def could be the best PF of all time, but to say it CANT be Debated is a lil obsurd...IF you talk to alot of Older NBA players PF's especailly i bet alot would say MCHale was the best PF of all time...I think its TD or Malone..
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
If it wasnt for MJ, then Malone and Reggie would have several rings no doubt
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
Barkley > Malone
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Kevin Garnett is better
you don't really believe that do you?
sad thing is, he probably does. But to be real, KG is not even in the conversation.
If there is any argument for a PF other then Duncan, it would the Mailman or Barkley. The thing is, TD will have just as good a career as those two...+ all the MVPs, Finals MVPs, Championship rings.
both me and NIK have said KG > TD
Youre only hurting your already weak argument by saying that NIK agrees with you.
Virtually every NBA analyst out there says Duncan is the best ever....with some saying Malone. Not a whole lot of people picking Garnett LOL. Well wait...you and NIK said it.
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
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Kevin Garnett is better
you don't really believe that do you?
sad thing is, he probably does. But to be real, KG is not even in the conversation.
If there is any argument for a PF other then Duncan, it would the Mailman or Barkley. The thing is, TD will have just as good a career as those two...+ all the MVPs, Finals MVPs, Championship rings.
both me and NIK have said KG > TD
Youre only hurting your already weak argument by saying that NIK agrees with you.
LOL
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
exactly. Hate when people try to correct when u r right
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
damn im trippin...
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
exactly. Hate when people try to correct when u r right
I'll make it up to u by continuing to correct you when you're wrong the next 100 times ;D
By the way. You forgot to capitalize "exactly". ;)
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
exactly. Hate when people try to correct when u r right
I'll make it up to u by continuing to correct you when you're wrong the next 100 times ;D
By the way. You forgot to capitalize "exactly". ;)
yup u got me! ;D
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^^^^ true but I dont think this one is debated ... as of now the only position you can debate on when it comes to the GOAT is the Center one ... Magic, Jordan, Bird ( LBJ might/should be in the conversation when he retires) and Timmy are unquestionable imo
who the fuck is better than Kareem?
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
how ironic, you tried questioning my basketball knowledge in this thread and then followed it with that post. hahahahahahaha
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
how ironic, you tried questioning my basketball knowledge in this thread and then followed it with that post. hahahahahahaha
memory lapse...your attempt to make it a big deal tho failed miserably. Keep trying fag.
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
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plus you cant blame a team for facing poor opposition in the finals, you can only beat the team infront of you, a title is a title
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
???
I guess
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naw it's very debatable
the only people who disagree are those who didn't really see malone and barkley in their prime.
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naw it's very debatable
the only people who disagree are those who didn't really see malone and barkley in their prime.
They took a poll of NBA analysts on ESPN last year during the playoffs. It was a virtual wash for Duncan as best ever. There were a couple of picks for Malone and Barkley. But it was a landside on the voting. Malone IMO just had the great numbers. He scored alot. And I watched him in his prime for sure. Like Ive said tho, he had the luxury of the greatest assist guy ever. And played in the pick n roll which they ran great. He benefited from a lot of what Stockton did on the court. We used to have a pretty heated rivalry with the Jazz before Duncan came along. And Stockton was the one you were more worried about stopping the Malone. Barkley gets over-looked sometimes. People seem to think its between Duncan and Malone all the time. But I put Barkley>Malone. He doesnt have the points that Malone put up, but Barkley was able to carry a team by himself. I dont think Malone could. Malone needed that guy feeding him the ball. Barkley was more likely to create by himself.
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
great pistons team, yes. Weak Nets team, weak weak cavs team, and weak Knicks team. Not taking anything away from TD cuz he still got thru the west, just stating a fact
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
great pistons team, yes. Weak Nets team, weak weak cavs team, and weak Knicks team. Not taking anything away from TD cuz he still got thru the west, just stating a fact
the thing is, the Pistons team was great...and we beat them. The Nets and Cavs were not so great, but we beat the Nets fairly easily...and completely demolished the Cavs. So although they were great teams, they gave us no real trouble. The Knicks actually werent that bad. But does getting to the finals and demolishing a team that isnt that great make u any less dominant then getting to the finals and winning a hard faught series against a great team? We werent a better team the year we beat the Pistons then we were the year we beat the Cavs.
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
great pistons team, yes. Weak Nets team, weak weak cavs team, and weak Knicks team. Not taking anything away from TD cuz he still got thru the west, just stating a fact
the thing is, the Pistons team was great...and we beat them. The Nets and Cavs were not so great, but we beat the Nets fairly easily...and completely demolished the Cavs. So although they were great teams, they gave us no real trouble. The Knicks actually werent that bad. But does getting to the finals and demolishing a team that isnt that great make u any less dominant then getting to the finals and winning a hard faught series against a great team? We werent a better team the year we beat the Pistons then we were the year we beat the Cavs.
like i said I TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM TD, i was just saying his finals competition was weak and u agreed with me..
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
great pistons team, yes. Weak Nets team, weak weak cavs team, and weak Knicks team. Not taking anything away from TD cuz he still got thru the west, just stating a fact
the thing is, the Pistons team was great...and we beat them. The Nets and Cavs were not so great, but we beat the Nets fairly easily...and completely demolished the Cavs. So although they were great teams, they gave us no real trouble. The Knicks actually werent that bad. But does getting to the finals and demolishing a team that isnt that great make u any less dominant then getting to the finals and winning a hard faught series against a great team? We werent a better team the year we beat the Pistons then we were the year we beat the Cavs.
like i said I TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM TD, i was just saying his finals competition was weak and u agreed with me..
i said 2 of them were not great...one was definetely a great team....and one was a good team. Either way, they were all better then anyone else in the league other then SA. Anyways, enough of this lol
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td beat some weak teams in his finals wins
I dunno, the Pistons team was pretty much the exactly same (with a little more experience) as the one that crushed the Laker team that was supposed to be built for a title. It doesnt matter who they played in the finals, they beat the best team the East had to offer on any of those years. Not to mention, those titles were more impressive for what they got through in the West...not so much who they beat from the East.
great pistons team, yes. Weak Nets team, weak weak cavs team, and weak Knicks team. Not taking anything away from TD cuz he still got thru the west, just stating a fact
the thing is, the Pistons team was great...and we beat them. The Nets and Cavs were not so great, but we beat the Nets fairly easily...and completely demolished the Cavs. So although they were great teams, they gave us no real trouble. The Knicks actually werent that bad. But does getting to the finals and demolishing a team that isnt that great make u any less dominant then getting to the finals and winning a hard faught series against a great team? We werent a better team the year we beat the Pistons then we were the year we beat the Cavs.
like i said I TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM TD, i was just saying his finals competition was weak and u agreed with me..
i said 2 of them were not great...one was definetely a great team....and one was a good team. Either way, they were all better then anyone else in the league other then SA. Anyways, enough of this lol
no chance the Nets team that SAS beat in 03 was better then the lakers team they beat in the WCF..LOL
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a cahmpionship is a championship regardless of who you play. duncan = 4 rings, barkley = 0 rings, malone = 0 rings.
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
how ironic, you tried questioning my basketball knowledge in this thread and then followed it with that post. hahahahahahaha
memory lapse...your attempt to make it a big deal tho failed miserably. Keep trying fag.
make a big deal? ...im just pointing out the irony in it. thought that was funny and so would you. LOL
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
LMAO...kareem would literally shit on russell.
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
how ironic, you tried questioning my basketball knowledge in this thread and then followed it with that post. hahahahahahaha
memory lapse...your attempt to make it a big deal tho failed miserably. Keep trying fag.
make a big deal? ...im just pointing out the irony in it. thought that was funny and so would you. LOL
i admit...it was fuckin retarded lol
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plus he's a wake forest alum!
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
LMAO...kareem would literally shit on russell.
11 rings > 6
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IMO Malone is the only other PF that should be in this debate but I would take Duncan over him any day
at least u can admit that. I would take TD too, i was just saying u gotta give malone some credit. Hed have titles if he didnt run into MJ 2 years in a row. AND WHAT ABOUT BARKLEY??? DOMINAnt!!!!!
2 yrs in a row? Only one year he ran into MJ. And its hard to say Malone would for SURE have a title if it wasnt for MJ. There's no guarantee they would have beat whoever else came out of the East. You also gotta realize, Malone had the luxury of playing with one the greatest PG's and the best assist man of all time in John Stockton. Alot of why Malone is regarded so highly is because of the amount of points he scored over his career...credit John Stockton with a lot of that. Screen and rolls to the rim.
nah he's right Utah lost back to back Finals against the Bulls in 97 and 98...
YEP 96-97 and 97-98 for sho
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
LMAO...kareem would literally shit on russell.
11 rings > 6
Russell>Horry>MJ?
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
LMAO...kareem would literally shit on russell.
11 rings > 6
Russell>Horry>MJ?
Russell > anybody
he was the star and had 11 rings
MJ was the star with 6
horry was a bum who lucked out
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^thats retarded
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hey NIK
bill russel > kareem
for sure
LMAO...kareem would literally shit on russell.
11 rings > 6
Russell>Horry>MJ?
Russell > anybody
he was the star and had 11 rings
MJ was the star with 6
horry was a bum who lucked out
haha. VERY LUCKY HUH? Clutch shot after clutch shot, sounds like luck to me. Horry was always coveted by great teams, but it was because he proved himself to be clutch. Nothing to do with luck. Great role player.
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I figure when its all said and done that TD will go down as the best, but Malone was a beast. He was an explosive scrapper who taught himself how to have a killer jumper to give himself an extra 5 years at the top of his game. I think its silly to not at least hear a case for him.
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i was always a bitter fan when it came to malone. i hated him but you always have to respect his game.
plus you got to admire how he shut down the MVP of that year on one leg. very admirable.