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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on May 23, 2009, 03:03:02 AM
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Its been a long time since I went to the record store and actually gave my hard earned money for such a great album thats worth every cent, but after bumping Relapse for like 20 times, I gotta say this album is really IT.
Its the best thing out there in last hmmm..damn donno how many years but its been long since sth of this quality hit the stores. I wont talk about production, lyrics, concept cause even the biggest critics of Dres and Eminems work agreed that this is close to perfection or even prefect.
PS. I know its just another Eminem Relapse thread but I had to speak my mind on this!
Cant stop bumpin at this moment: Bagpipes, Insane, Hello, Medicine Ball, Stay Wide Awake, Must Be The Gunja, Deja Vu, Undergound, Beautiful, My Darling
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You know the more I listen to the album the more I love this album.
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Word, I'm thinking of buying it too. It's been 2/3 weeks of listening to it everyday and now the only song I skip is Insane (the content is just too sick to listen to, plus he's screaming). And you also know an album is dope when every 2 days a new track is your favorite.
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Sure man,
I feel you on this one... I've been bumping the album AT LEAST once a day since it leaked.
The last time i had this kind of "shock" was in like 2006 with the last Strokes album.
For real, relapse is incredible. The first time i heard it was crazy... That shit makes me want to stay alone at home, to smoke to it with headphones and have a great time...
I'm sure Detox is gonna be one of the greatest albums of all time ! 8)
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nope not one for my collection ;D
my money is goin on that new QUIK and KURUPT 8)
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nope not one for my collection ;D
my money is goin on that new QUIK and KURUPT 8)
Ohh yea Quik N Kurupt is also promising, 9x outta 10 is really makin my speakres suffer, we need cdq tho. But i think we cannot compare those two albums untill we hear BlaQout
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Insane is my favorite track off the album
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Word, I'm thinking of buying it too. It's been 2/3 weeks of listening to it everyday and now the only song I skip is Insane (the content is just too sick to listen to, plus he's screaming). And you also know an album is dope when every 2 days a new track is your favorite.
It's strange how you changed your mind completly. As far as i remember, you said it was weak at first listen right ?
the crazy thing with relapse is that there is no fillers. All the album is banging, each time a new track starts it feels like "oh yeah...this one's dope !!"
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Didn't 75% of people on the board for that matter? Amazing what a few listens can do :P
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my 'hate' on this album is consistent. FUCK THE HATERS! :laugh:
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Oh yeah, I thought it sucked at first but mainly I was just hating because he wasn't using his normal voice. I was like a stubborn 5 year old kid who didn't get the chocolate and had to eat broccoli instead.
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Well, he's not getting my money, that's for sure.
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this is going to be a great year! 8)
Joe Budden - Padded Room
Eminem - Relapse
Meth & Red - Blackout 2
Quik & Kurupt - Blaqout
Slaughterhouse - TBA?
Royce Da 5'9'' - forgot the name! ;D
Xzibit - rumored album produced by Dre! :o
50 Cent - Before I Self Destruct (should be a better album than Curtis, it's i'm kinda anticipating this)
Jay-Z - Blueprint 3 (maybe)
Dr. Dre - Detox?!?!? ;D
Joe Budden - The Great Escape (he said it's coming in '09!)
has the potential to be an amazing year. 8)
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I thought this was a good review and reflected a lot of my own thoughts.... Guess who's back. Back again. By now, you will be aware of the drugs, the weight gain, the marriage/divorce, the death of a best friend, the whole shebang... Everyone has been assaulted by a media blitz of epic proportions that very few artists could command, anywhere in the world. Well, Eminem can. He probably even has a gigantic ad banner at the top of this page this week - rest assured, dear Reader, I couldn't give a fuck and nothing influences reviews on these pages other than the music. Regardless of the circus that follows Marshall Mathers, it is certainly good to have him back in the game, and "Relapse" is, along with "Tha Carter III" one of the most eagerly anticipated albums in the past 5 years. What matters more is that he is sober, focused and determined - that goes a long way when you are pretty much the biggest selling rapper in history, making a comeback after half a decade out lost in a chemical fog. So, to start off - Em is in lyrical fury mode, Dr Dre produces pretty much the whole album and there is a definite concept running most of "Relapse." In fact, this feels somewhat like Eminem's take on Jay-Z's "American Gangster" LP (aside from both having intros by British actors from "The Wire"). Jay combines elements of his past with Hollywood fiction, dipping in and out of a rise/fall character; Mathers takes a similar route chronicling parts of his real life drug addiction and mixing them with a serial killer/rapist Slim Shady that "relapses" into pills, murder and sexual assault. It is darkly comic in places, but mainly shrouded in a sinister air of sex, violence and dense wordplay. An album of "We Made You" type of tracks this is not. After two or three listens, it becomes clear that this is not your normal album from the Detroit native - "Relapse" is, regardless of the first single, not a mass market LP. Bizarrely enough, this is one for the FANS, the real Eminem heads. It is genuinely hard to imagine the casual music fans that once flocked to purchase his music even reaching three spins of the LP - they would be turned off by the excessive, over-the-top sex and violence combined with an almost unbelievable lack of commercial hit singles. If "We Made You" has received a somewhat lukewarm response - though it is certainly a catchy track - imagine pretty much nothing else, other than the intensely fascinating "Beautiful" and the vaguely fun but lazy "Crack A Bottle" (which wasn't even deemed good enough to have a video). Throw in the Em's intense rhyme patterns, and selling a million first week seems a tall order. Regarding those intricate verses, heads may not be too impressed the first couple of spins, but persist. Why? Eminem is on FIRE lyrically - it just takes a while getting used to his slightly altered flows. Take, for example, "Stay Wide Awake" - his rhymes start off pretty unimpressively, but his penultimate verse ends up being truly astonishing, technically. "Medicine Ball" and "Underground" find him kicking more old school flows, and it sounds simply brilliant, reminding us all what we've been missing. Other highlights include "Déjà Vu" and "Hello" - proving that the chemistry between Em and Dr Dre is something special to behold. When it works... Here is where we run into a few problems - surprisingly, the production is one of the issues with "Relapse." It is clearly at a very solid level throughout, but doesn't really contain enough true highlights, real classics. Some may argue that is necessary to let the star shine vocally, but certain tracks come across as flat, especially compared to the aforementioned highlights such as "Hello," "Déjà Vu" and "Medicine Ball." Yet other certain other tracks are simply there - "Same Song & Dance" is average, and "Must Be the Ganja" is plain bad; "Insane" and "Bagpipes from Baghdad" are more divisive, possibly pleasing as many fans as they turn off. The music isn't a crisis situation, generally flowing well, but this certainly isn't an LP overflowing with musical classics. Another problem, at least on the superficial level, is the lyrical content. Although the excessive sex and violence can be justified by the presence of both character and concept, it gets a bit much at times, and to untrained ears (i.e. many of my friends) comes across as overly crude and immature. How many dicks can be sucked, rapes committed, murders committed? A lot in Slim Shady's twisted world. Again, committed fans will be able to cut through this and focus on the point of the album - it is just doubtful that too many others will. Out of Eminem's previous five albums, I only still listen to one regularly - the "Marshall Mathers LP." That, widely regarded as his magnum opus, has dated remarkably well, and will surely stand the test of time. "Relapse," on the other hand, is probably destined to become a fans favourite. The focus is not on hit singles and world domination - no, the aim with the first installment of the "Relapse" series seems to be consolidating his hardcore fan base. Make no mistake; the true Eminem fans will LOVE this album. His lyrics, whilst not as naturally gifted as his “Marshall Mathers” era rhymes, are still technically masterful (plus some awesome hooks), and he delivers, for the most part, on the concept of Slim Shady relapsing into his old chainsaw-toting ways and eventually coming through the haze of addiction. He even avoids any Proof tributes - stating that he couldn't make a good enough song to act as a tribute. Maybe it will be on "Relapse 2" - or maybe Proof's position was indefensible, who knows. Regardless, this album risks much in largely ignoring the whims of the masses, so it will be interesting to see how it does - especially since the few career highs come in the form of album tracks, not singles. His original army of fans, however, will surely enjoy most of the elements of "Relapse" and it certainly sets up the sequel nicely – though it might be wise to include a few more crossover hits on the second installment, you know, for everyone else. Music Vibes: 7 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 9 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 8 of 10 Originally posted: May 19, 2009source: www.RapReviews.com
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Its funny to hear people say they can't stomach insane but I repeat the song at least 5 times every time I bump the album ha ha
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yeah Relapse & Redman & Method Mans Blackout 2 is both worth the money fa sho !!!!! 2 dope albums dropped this month good for real hip hop to make a comebacc finally .. 8) 8)
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I like every song exept for "Must Be The Ganja. Bought the album and I have to say it's the best Em album since MMLP! Just my opinion
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You know the more I listen to the album the more I love this album.
no doubt its a bomb ass cd
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my 'hate' on this album is consistent. FUCK THE HATERS! :laugh:
yep.
i gave it a fair chance but the points still stand
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this is going to be a great year! 8)
Joe Budden - Padded Room
Eminem - Relapse
Meth & Red - Blackout 2
Quik & Kurupt - Blaqout
Slaughterhouse - TBA?
Royce Da 5'9'' - forgot the name! ;D
Xzibit - rumored album produced by Dre! :o
50 Cent - Before I Self Destruct (should be a better album than Curtis, it's i'm kinda anticipating this)
Jay-Z - Blueprint 3 (maybe)
Dr. Dre - Detox?!?!? ;D
Joe Budden - The Great Escape (he said it's coming in '09!)
has the potential to be an amazing year. 8)
and maybe Relapse 2 ;D
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Royce Da 5'9'' - Street Hop
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what amazes me the most is the fuckin flow, every song different flow, hes so good that they are makin beats after they hear his flow:)
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I do not know how lots of people here can appreciate it THAT much ... I mean overall production is solid and cohesive but Eminem did such a poor job as a MC , I just dont understand how can everybody bump the album on a regular basis
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Its funny to hear people say they can't stomach insane but I repeat the song at least 5 times every time I bump the album ha ha
i agree with you, its my favorite track on the album...the second verse on insane is dope
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Yeah, it's a dope album. To me the weakest tracks are the singles.
But, I'm too broke to buy shit. It's on my list along with the rest of his albums.
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I WANNA SAY THIS:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ALBUM ON YOUR FIRST LISTEN, YOU DON'T LIKE IT. IF YOU ARE SAYING YOU LIKE IT AFTER "REPEATED LISTENS" YOU ARE FORCING YOURSELF TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT AND GROW A LIKENESS TO IT, FOR WHATEVER REASON. (CUZ ITS THE ALMIGHTY EMINEM/DR.DRE/AFTERMATH/MAJOR LABEL).
Album was whack, production does NOT save a bad album.
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I don't agree.Most albums that ended up being some of my favorite albums are ones I didn't care for much the first listen.Same with albums I love the first listen.Good music has depth that takes more then one listen to really appreciate
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I don't agree.Most albums that ended up being some of my favorite albums are ones I didn't care for much the first listen.Same with albums I love the first listen.Good music has depth that takes more then one listen to really appreciate
Lupe Fiasco was like that for me...
But in this instance though, I think people are trying hard to like it cuz of the names attached to it, when they should just trust their gut?
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I think its the other way.I think people had otherworldly expectations and couldn't appreciate it the first listen.Also the "accents" took getting used to.But after a few listens it really sinks in and you just focus on the incredible wordplay.This could be eminems greatest body of work as an emcee the only think holding it back is the production which while great has a few misses.
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Gimme your favorite track off the album. I'm gonna listen again....
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Listen to insane that's my favorite track.the subject matter is sick but the wordplay is sicker
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I don't agree.Most albums that ended up being some of my favorite albums are ones I didn't care for much the first listen.Same with albums I love the first listen.Good music has depth that takes more then one listen to really appreciate
Lupe Fiasco was like that for me...
Exactly. It's hard to say that it's impossible for somone to fall in love with an album long after the first listen. Food and Liqour I had to listen to a good number of times before I full understood all the metaphors and shit and realized just how insane Lupe was lyrically.
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what is everyone talking about it's been years since something good came out lol.... last album i bought was paper trail
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Of course it is subjective to the listener but I liked every song on the album and each one shows great lyricism
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Listen to insane that's my favorite track.the subject matter is sick but the wordplay is sicker
The lyrics are so whack. The subject content, I mean... His flow was good, the delivery on the songs was okay.. The lyrics were dumb.. It's like ICP but not as good?
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I WANNA SAY THIS:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ALBUM ON YOUR FIRST LISTEN, YOU DON'T LIKE IT. IF YOU ARE SAYING YOU LIKE IT AFTER "REPEATED LISTENS" YOU ARE FORCING YOURSELF TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT AND GROW A LIKENESS TO IT, FOR WHATEVER REASON. (CUZ ITS THE ALMIGHTY EMINEM/DR.DRE/AFTERMATH/MAJOR LABEL).
Album was whack, production does NOT save a bad album.
word
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Like I said its subjective to the listener but this is the slim shady eminem and the lyrics reflect that.Sure he's talking about some fucked up shit but the way he forms his bars is beyond most rappers.But if you don't like it,you don't like it nothing will change that
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people only like it this much (on here) bcuz it's Dr. Dre's shit. if Relapse was Em's sophmore album and Dr. Dre was just some old ass nigga just getting on then y'all wouldn't be trippin this much. u guys r getting caught up in tha aora. but i fux wit Relaspe too, dont get this shit twisted. y'all r just geekin bcuz it's Dr. Dre's name/beats and Eminem's flows. when Detox drops; the leaked version will get hated on for about a week and then people will jump on deck as soon as they see everybody else in tha world fux wit it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsFdWsZnT4&feature=related
http://rapidshare.com/files/235051619/aliciapm.wmv
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I actually didn't care for some of the production and thought em should have done some tracks as his production would fit better with the lyrics
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I find myself liking the album more and more too. The weird thing is initially the accents he was using in many of the songs sounded pretty strange to me. But the more I listen to it, the more those voices just sound normal. At least in the context of fitting well with their respective songs. Probably the songs on the album that are getting the most play from me right now are "Insane," "Bagpipes from Baghdad," "Hello," "Same Song and Dance," "Deja Vu," "Underground," "My Darling," and "Be Careful What You Wish For." (Which I guess is most of the album. lol) The production is top notch. In my opinion, this is definitely a return to form for Eminem.
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the beats on Relapse ar his best to date and the flow and lyrics are his best to date so Relapse was very well worth the money and more ...
2 great albums dropped this month
1. Relapse
2. Blackout 2
8) 8) 8)
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This albums got great production, a cohesive feel, eminems flows still sick but that doesnt help the fact that the album is average and i agree with previous posts that people are kind of forcing themselves to like it, not because its eminem and dre but simply because hip-hops so poor at the moment and on a mainstream level theirs been alot of dissapointments therefore peoples expectations are lowered, unfortunately that doesnt make the album above average imo and a dissapointment
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Okay. I respect you're all's opinions. And I know there are some people on here who dislike the album and some who like it. That's cool. Everybody's taste varies. But as it pertains to the idea that people are forcing themselves to like this album, why does that matter? I'm not even going to say you're wrong. Maybe in some cases, you guys who think this is happening are right. But for arguments sake, let's say that you are...If someone likes the album, why should it matter how they came to like the album? What I guess I'm trying to say is; if a person likes the album because they made themself like the album, why does that matter? They still like the album.
In many cases, I think making oneself listen to an album over an extended period to see how you ultimately feel about it, is a more fair approach to judging an album than a cursory evaluation after only one listen. I'll admit that on my first couple listens of this particular album, I felt somewhat differently than I do now. I still think the album has some problems. Personally, I wouldn't call it a classic. But I think it's a huge leap in the right direction, after "Encore." And I have to admit, it's definitely grown on me, in just a short amount of time.
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BAGPIPES FROM BAGDAD IS DOPE
not feeling much of the rest after 1 listen...and no i dind't buy it
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I WANNA SAY THIS:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ALBUM ON YOUR FIRST LISTEN, YOU DON'T LIKE IT. IF YOU ARE SAYING YOU LIKE IT AFTER "REPEATED LISTENS" YOU ARE FORCING YOURSELF TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT AND GROW A LIKENESS TO IT, FOR WHATEVER REASON. (CUZ ITS THE ALMIGHTY EMINEM/DR.DRE/AFTERMATH/MAJOR LABEL).
Album was whack, production does NOT save a bad album.
How can you really judge an entire album on one playthrough. There are plenty of classic albums I didn't like on the first play through. Listening to something more than once is not forcing yourself to like it. You cant be forced to like something either you like it or you don't. Listening to album more than once just means youre actually giving yourself a chance to digest it all.
And yeah the album is dope. "Must be the Ganja" and "Medicine Ball" bump
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Theres nothing wrong with forcing yourself to listen to an album in order to like it, as if you listen to anything enough eventually your grow to like it, if you really want to that is...the bad thing about it in my opinion is when you see people saying
Its the best thing out there in last hmmm..damn donno how many years but its been long since sth of this quality hit the stores. I wont talk about production, lyrics, concept cause even the biggest critics of Dres and Eminems work agreed that this is close to perfection or even prefect
C'mon now i can respect an opinion but :-X ::) :laugh:
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Theres nothing wrong with forcing yourself to listen to an album in order to like it, as if you listen to anything enough eventually your grow to like it, if you really want to that is...the bad thing about it in my opinion is when you see people saying
Its the best thing out there in last hmmm..damn donno how many years but its been long since sth of this quality hit the stores. I wont talk about production, lyrics, concept cause even the biggest critics of Dres and Eminems work agreed that this is close to perfection or even prefect
C'mon now i can respect an opinion but :-X ::) :laugh:
Well, I understand your point. And I don't personally agree that it's the best album in years. But if that's his opinion, I can respect that. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but I will say that it seems like there's been a drought of good, commercially available music, lately. And the fact that a lot of people view this as a pretty solid album may account for some people thinking that it's the best thing to come out for a while. Personally, other than "Relapse," I think Tech N9ne's "Sickology" cd was the last album I've bought in quite a while that I was pretty happy with. Maybe I'm overlooking something, but that's all that comes to mind.
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I agree with your opinion, like i said in my first post, i think that the reason why people are feeling this so much is because of the lack of top quality mainstream albums, therefore expectations are lowered and albums are over-hyped/felt imo
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I like every song exept for "Must Be The Ganja. Bought the album and I have to say it's the best Em album since MMLP! Just my opinion
Totally agree.
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Well, he's not getting my money, that's for sure.
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I don't agree.Most albums that ended up being some of my favorite albums are ones I didn't care for much the first listen.Same with albums I love the first listen.Good music has depth that takes more then one listen to really appreciate
Lupe Fiasco was like that for me...
But in this instance though, I think people are trying hard to like it cuz of the names attached to it, when they should just trust their gut?
in most cases you're right but this is actually a solid album..and Jay, "Insane" is a dope track whether or not ppl can stomach it or not it is one of my fav tracks from the album.