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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 05, 2009, 07:59:45 AM
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come on...i know some of you are really re-thinkin that shit...be honest, we wont poke fun.
LOL
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only lebron can score 40+ in a playoff game and still lose
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In all honesty it's unfair to compare either guy to each other.
Kobe has 10x the experience that LeBron has & lasted the longevity it takes to be a legend.
LeBron is still a kid w/the best part of his career still being "Potential".
(Numbers thus far are amazing... But alot can happen)
It's amazing that they are only seperated by 6/7 years.
(But in Basketball IQ it's a lifetime, That said James is defo on the right path)
When Kobe pack's it up, Then Compare what James does/does not to Bryant's legacy.
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Right now Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world and there is no doubt about that. What Lebron had to do though this postseason in spite of his teammates pathetic performances was amazing and the guy is only 24 but yeah right now Kobe is still the best. That 3 point play he made early in the 4th qtr last night was beyond special.
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Right now Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world and there is no doubt about that. What Lebron had to do though this postseason in spite of his teammates pathetic performances was amazing and the guy is only 24 but yeah right now Kobe is still the best. That 3 point play he made early in the 4th qtr last night was beyond special.
LOL...flip-floppin is okay when you admit you were wrong. you should apologize for all that bullshit you've talked in the past couple months.
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people just say that shit about kobe cus you make them hate him nik lol
or you make it fun to hate him atleast
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In all honesty it's unfair to compare either guy to each other.
Kobe has 10x the experience that LeBron has & lasted the longevity it takes to be a legend.
LeBron is still a kid w/the best part of his career still being "Potential".
(Numbers thus far are amazing... But alot can happen)
It's amazing that they are only seperated by 6/7 years.
(But in Basketball IQ it's a lifetime, That said James is defo on the right path)
When Kobe pack's it up, Then Compare what James does/does not to Bryant's legacy.
that easily sums it up the best.
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In all honesty it's unfair to compare either guy to each other.
Kobe has 10x the experience that LeBron has & lasted the longevity it takes to be a legend.
LeBron is still a kid w/the best part of his career still being "Potential".
(Numbers thus far are amazing... But alot can happen)
It's amazing that they are only seperated by 6/7 years.
(But in Basketball IQ it's a lifetime, That said James is defo on the right path)
When Kobe pack's it up, Then Compare what James does/does not to Bryant's legacy.
On Point!
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In all honesty it's unfair to compare either guy to each other.
Kobe has 10x the experience that LeBron has & lasted the longevity it takes to be a legend.
LeBron is still a kid w/the best part of his career still being "Potential".
(Numbers thus far are amazing... But alot can happen)
It's amazing that they are only seperated by 6/7 years.
(But in Basketball IQ it's a lifetime, That said James is defo on the right path)
When Kobe pack's it up, Then Compare what James does/does not to Bryant's legacy.
On Point!
Yup. Damn Kobe can really do whatever he wants whenever he wants, last night proved that..Greatest player in the game and its not close
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people just say that shit about kobe cus you make them hate him nik lol
or you make it fun to hate him atleast
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
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i really never thought lebron was on kobes level, because of his inablity to close games and his shitty j's.
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So cus Kobes team has fared better, its now ridiculous to say Lebron>Kobe? lol.
:grumpy: wow...lol only on Dubcc....
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
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LMAO @ putting your lirycs on your profile...how narcissistic is that? :laugh:
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LMAO @ putting your lirycs on your profile...how narcissistic is that? :laugh:
relevant
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LMAO @ putting your lirycs on your profile...how narcissistic is that? :laugh:
Lirycs!?!? LEARN HOW TO SPELL
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
LMAO like you dont get buttuhrt when someone says LeBron>>Kobe....more than half the shit you've posted on here is not very logical....
but yea, Kobe IS the man, for sure.
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well you know what ive been saying the past couple of months 8)
he had a sensational game the other night and im a magic fan. me and my mate were both sat there with a look on our face like "how the fuck?!"
its right what jeff van gundy said "if you were to tell the magic players that the guy they have just faced in the eastern finals wasnt as good as the guy your about to face in the finals then theyd probabley look at you like...r u serious?"
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
I never said Kwame was the next greatest thing, and I never said Bynum>Howard, you damn idiot...quit twistin my shit up to feel better about your retardedness. Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season. I also never said Lakers were the best team in the league back when Luke and Smush were the starters, so once again, what you say is inaccurate, as usual. step it up...PeACe
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people just say that shit about kobe cus you make them hate him nik lol
or you make it fun to hate him atleast
Fair enough, but that doesn't make it right.
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
lol, you must not watch ESPN a lot because i heard them say this all year.
Laker fans just want to make it seem like the world is against them when ESPN has been giving him praise all year; but they just give LeBron equal & you don't have to tell me, i know that's blasphemous. ::)
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
lol, you must not watch ESPN a lot because i heard them say this all year.
Laker fans just want to make it seem like the world is against them when ESPN has been giving him praise all year; but they just give LeBron equal & you don't have to tell me, i know that's blasphemous. ::)
I don't know man, it seems like the majority of ESPN was saying Lebron was the best for a good portion of the year. I think Kobe's the best by a long shot but I could really care less what analysts think lol.
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
they WANT hype around the finals. So they are going to change things up to fit the current situation, no matter what.
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the more and more you think about it and analyze those cav/magic games, it's a lack of a decent game plan and actual PLAYS that killed it for the cavs. i don't buy that whole "lebron's team mates let him down" no...the coach did.
with that said, last night was probably the best performance by a single player i ever saw in the finals.
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
lol, you must not watch ESPN a lot because i heard them say this all year.
Laker fans just want to make it seem like the world is against them when ESPN has been giving him praise all year; but they just give LeBron equal & you don't have to tell me, i know that's blasphemous. ::)
I don't know man, it seems like the majority of ESPN was saying Lebron was the best for a good portion of the year. I think Kobe's the best by a long shot but I could really care less what analysts think lol.
They defiantly gave both players equal respect, but the overall tone defiantly was that they favored LeBron. I didn't really care, but now they are switching their story and acting like they don't even remember LeBron.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
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I find it amazing how everyone on abc/espn has been calling Kobe "the best player in the world" without hesitation since he made the Finals. They couldn't stop talking about LeBron a week ago. :laugh: Fuckers.
lol, you must not watch ESPN a lot because i heard them say this all year.
Laker fans just want to make it seem like the world is against them when ESPN has been giving him praise all year; but they just give LeBron equal & you don't have to tell me, i know that's blasphemous. ::)
I don't know man, it seems like the majority of ESPN was saying Lebron was the best for a good portion of the year. I think Kobe's the best by a long shot but I could really care less what analysts think lol.
They defiantly gave both players equal respect, but the overall tone defiantly was that they favored LeBron. I didn't really care, but now they are switching their story and acting like they don't even remember LeBron.
agreed, agreed, it was favored to LeBron; but Kobe like had his time in the sun, they're trying to push LeBron to have his golden times before the next guy shows up & tries to take it from him.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
God youre slow. Im using the fact that SO many others put LeBron (at such a young age lol@ Kobe) above Kobe, not to prove that he is better...but to show how stupid you sound when you say its a ridiculous argument. That just makes you look even more like an idiot then you already do. You can argue Kobe is better then LeBron, no problem. Someone else can argue LeBron is better then Kobe, no problem. Neither argument is stupid. You just like to go over the top and make yourself look foolish. IMO, and many, many others...LeBron is without a doubt the more complete player out of the two. Is he WAY better then Kobe, no lol. But there are more aspects to his game then what Kobe has to offer. Not to mention, we are comparing these two right now, when LeBron still has a ton of room to grow. Kobe does not.
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this shit is getting mad old, everyone types the same shit and neither side gives a fuck i suggest everyone just gives up and we leave this Kobe-Lebron shit alone.
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this shit is getting mad old, everyone types the same shit and neither side gives a fuck i suggest everyone just gives up and we leave this Kobe-Lebron shit alone.
sounds good. The problem is the main person in the battle, is the Mod...
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this shit is getting mad old, everyone types the same shit and neither side gives a fuck i suggest everyone just gives up and we leave this Kobe-Lebron shit alone.
sounds good. The problem is the main person in the battle, is the Mod...
just dont respond, simple as that. Neither side is gunna change their mind no matter how much talking/stats people put up. This sports section needs to move the fuck on.
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muffuccaz in general were jus sayin that cuz he came off that bets record and he was on fire a month back
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
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well alotta muffuccaz overhype james
im not sayin hes wack, but damn he was dope when he was winnin and on that streak but now that hes out hes "wack"
aite he lost and didnt make the finals but damn hes not wack
jus like kobe losin last year
oh celtics are the best team this n that, lakers dont have a chance
well celtics lost this year, so lakers made it this far
its like muffuccaz want to see certain players go 6 feet deep, (i mean people are still talkin bout that colorado shit as if kobe really cares)
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
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Right now Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world and there is no doubt about that. What Lebron had to do though this postseason in spite of his teammates pathetic performances was amazing and the guy is only 24 but yeah right now Kobe is still the best. That 3 point play he made early in the 4th qtr last night was beyond special.
LOL...flip-floppin is okay when you admit you were wrong. you should apologize for all that bullshit you've talked in the past couple months.
No the funny part is all year we kept hearing "Cleveland is scary, Cleveland is looking impossible to beat". But as soon as they lose its right back to "well thats cuz Lebron had to do it all by himself". Make up your minds people.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
What he's saying is that with Jordan there was no argument. During the entire 80s it was "Magic or Larry?" and whether you personally think Larry wasn't at the same level (an opinion that would flip flop completely if Larry was the Laker in the argument) isn't the issue. The issue is there was an argument. What was the argument in the 90s? When you say best NBA player of the 90s will any NBA analyst, hardcore fan, player, coach, etc say anyone other than Jordan? The answer is no. In the 80s maybe 95% would say either Magic or Larry with the other 5% maybe saying someone else. Since Jordan if you ask who has been the most valuable player in the league no where near 100% of the people will say Kobe. Shaq would get most of the votes, and then Kobe and Duncan would be debated (yeah big men and guards are different but no one argues "Larry, Magic, or Jabbar?". Best is best and best means most likely to make your team a winner). And today right now, the fact that they even debate LeBron vs Kobe. The fact that you even take time out to debate it. Proves with out any doubt that Kobe is not ahead of the pack the way Jordan in the 90s was.
Would a Jordan fan even enter a thread "Jordan vs Barkley" or "Jordan vs Hakeem"? The answer is no. Unless you're just a complete twit. If there was a thread tomorrow about "Who is the greatest Miami Dolphins QB of all time?" all you would see would be two or three posts that say Dan Marino and then the thread would fade away. Because if someone was stupid enough to mention Griese or Morall, a response to those ridiculous claims wouldn't be warranted and the thread would fade away.
So just accept it; Kobe will never be seen like Jordan was in the 90s.
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
What he's saying is that with Jordan there was no argument. During the entire 80s it was "Magic or Larry?" and whether you personally think Larry wasn't at the same level (an opinion that would flip flop completely if Larry was the Laker in the argument) isn't the issue. The issue is there was an argument. What was the argument in the 90s? When you say best NBA player of the 90s will any NBA analyst, hardcore fan, player, coach, etc say anyone other than Jordan? The answer is no. In the 80s maybe 95% would say either Magic or Larry with the other 5% maybe saying someone else. Since Jordan if you ask who has been the most valuable player in the league no where near 100% of the people will say Kobe. Shaq would get most of the votes, and then Kobe and Duncan would be debated (yeah big men and guards are different but no one argues "Larry, Magic, or Jabbar?". Best is best and best means most likely to make your team a winner). And today right now, the fact that they even debate LeBron vs Kobe. The fact that you even take time out to debate it. Proves with out any doubt that Kobe is not ahead of the pack the way Jordan in the 90s was.
Would a Jordan fan even enter a thread "Jordan vs Barkley" or "Jordan vs Hakeem"? The answer is no. Unless you're just a complete twit. If there was a thread tomorrow about "Who is the greatest Miami Dolphins QB of all time?" all you would see would be two or three posts that say Dan Marino and then the thread would fade away. Because if someone was stupid enough to mention Griese or Morall, a response to those ridiculous claims wouldn't be warranted and the thread would fade away.
So just accept it; Kobe will never be seen like Jordan was in the 90s.
Here's the thing, I sort of agree with you, but I also think that this argument has a WAAAY different background than the MJ era.
In 1991, we got the dream match up, Magic Johnson and his 5 rings, going against Michael who was going for number 1, and the commercial buzz was surrounding MJ. Nike and the NBA was pushing Michael, because even though Magic was only 31, he had a lot of miles in him. Of course MJ won, he beat the previous best, Magic retired because of HIV and the rest is history. There was an undisputed best, and each and every year MJ proved it over and over again.
When MJ retired, no one beat him, so there was a scrabble to the crown, I'd even argue that the Spurs were more dominate than the Lakers for longer, as even though the Lakers 3peated, the Spurs did win 4. So in 9 years, the Lakers and Spurs won 7 titles between them, and appeared in 8. So the argument was alive between Shaq and Duncan, though when Shaq was with the Lakers it leaned Shaq, but Duncan had a right to the crown too.
In 2003, the whole turned upside down. Without a doubt, the Lakers were building for Shaq to age, and Kobe to take over. In the 2002-2003 season, the Lakers missed the finals, but Kobe averaged 30ppg and was over taken Shaq as the best Laker. Then the rape trail. I'll argue that the rape trail screwed Kobe over so much in terms of endorsements and MVP awards. After Shaq left in 2003, Kobe was the best player in the league, the Lakers traded Shaq for young players to complement their young star, but it was a building process. At the same time, Kobe dominated the league, but due to the rape trail, there was not Kobe commercials, there was no Kobe in lyrics, Kobe was a beast, but there was no calls going his way in games. Instead the MVP awards that he should have won went to Steve Nash, a much more safe player to call your best in the eyes of the public. Kobe was scoring 81 points, had multiple 60 point games, leading a team that outside of him would be pushing for number 1 pick in the lottery and taking them to game 7 with the number 1 seed. But the image of Kobe is done.
Last year, the Lakers finally came to play with Kobe, and it was suppose to be Kobe's year. They finally awarded him the MVP, even though it should have been Pauls year, and the Lakers ran through the NBA playoffs. Experts picked the Lakers to win it all, even though across from them was not one future Hall of Famer, but 3. Last year, the league finally market Kobe, but it was not to be, and the league knows that at 30, and all the miles on those knees, time is coming.
Enter LeBron, Lebron is the future, his the most physically dominating player since Shaq, and I'd argue that LeBron today is like Dr. J in the 70's, such a great athlete that players in him era are not even close to his level. The differents is that in MJ's era, MJ was not the best athlete, so many players in the 90's could claim that title. MJ was the best player, the most skilled that the hungriest player to ever lace up snickers. Kobe is that now, Kobe is not the best athlete, but Kobe is the most skilled. The NBA is ready to market LeBron to the moon, and the fact that people have a negative opinion on Kobe mean that people are willing to buy LeBron>Kobe. From 2003-2009, it's been all Kobe, best player, but the league did reflect that. Now Kobe is at the point were he will not be denied. I've never seen Kobe this determined. If this keeps up, look for a Laker repeat next year. I don't see a 3peat, but I do see back to back. Kobe will no be denied, and after these finals, it will be settled. Kobe >> LeBron, for now.
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My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
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My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
As I was saying though, it seemed like last year was built as Kobe's year, the NBA put money into the Lakers/Celtics, and the whole best player vs. 3 all-stars. This year, they wanted Lebron/Kobe bad, with Lebron winning. They are building to the MJ/Magic series.
I wasn't trying to argue past vs. present, I was trying to go down the line. From Magic to MJ, to Shaq/Duncan, to Nash/Kobe, to now with Kobe/Lebron. I wouldn't argue, oh 2003 Spurs beat 2009 Lakers, who knows.
I'm also saying that right now, Kobe is on a level that I've never seen him reach, and at a level I only saw MJ reach during his first 3peat. When the Lakers win, I think the argument is closed over Kobe/LeBron, until LeBron comes back with a winning team, Kobe will have won the argument. It's more like late 80's, you know MJ is waiting for his turn, but Magic and Bird were just on top of their game.
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My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
As I was saying though, it seemed like last year was built as Kobe's year, the NBA put money into the Lakers/Celtics, and the whole best player vs. 3 all-stars. This year, they wanted Lebron/Kobe bad, with Lebron winning. They are building to the MJ/Magic series.
I wasn't trying to argue past vs. present, I was trying to go down the line. From Magic to MJ, to Shaq/Duncan, to Nash/Kobe, to now with Kobe/Lebron. I wouldn't argue, oh 2003 Spurs beat 2009 Lakers, who knows.
I'm also saying that right now, Kobe is on a level that I've never seen him reach, and at a level I only saw MJ reach during his first 3peat. When the Lakers win, I think the argument is closed over Kobe/LeBron, until LeBron comes back with a winning team, Kobe will have won the argument. It's more like late 80's, you know MJ is waiting for his turn, but Magic and Bird were just on top of their game.
Not implying you'd argue past teams vs current ones. Just wanted to cement to anyone reading that might want to say "yeah well 2000 Duncan wouldn't have done shit against 09 Kobe".
I personally don't see what makes Kobe this year or one of the first 3peat Jordan any higher than what Bird did in the 83/84 playoffs. But whatever.
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My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
As I was saying though, it seemed like last year was built as Kobe's year, the NBA put money into the Lakers/Celtics, and the whole best player vs. 3 all-stars. This year, they wanted Lebron/Kobe bad, with Lebron winning. They are building to the MJ/Magic series.
I wasn't trying to argue past vs. present, I was trying to go down the line. From Magic to MJ, to Shaq/Duncan, to Nash/Kobe, to now with Kobe/Lebron. I wouldn't argue, oh 2003 Spurs beat 2009 Lakers, who knows.
I'm also saying that right now, Kobe is on a level that I've never seen him reach, and at a level I only saw MJ reach during his first 3peat. When the Lakers win, I think the argument is closed over Kobe/LeBron, until LeBron comes back with a winning team, Kobe will have won the argument. It's more like late 80's, you know MJ is waiting for his turn, but Magic and Bird were just on top of their game.
Not implying you'd argue past teams vs current ones. Just wanted to cement to anyone reading that might want to say "yeah well 2000 Duncan wouldn't have done shit against 09 Kobe".
I personally don't see what makes Kobe this year or one of the first 3peat Jordan any higher than what Bird did in the 83/84 playoffs. But whatever.
Not much, other than most people here grew up on MJ, so they love him, and Kobe is doing it now, so it's relevant, but Bird was back when I was 3, and I'm an elder around here, so it's not in people's minds. Now my brother in laws, since my wife is the youngest of 5, are all older, and they still talk about Bird like it was yesterday. So it's all who your crowd is.
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If anyone in this section should have an objective opinion on things, it should be our MOD....NIK sounds like such a lil whiney bitch all the fucking time, its rediculous. NIK has nothing to offer in this section because you ALWAYS know what youre going to get from him....A bunch of bullshit posts about he is right and everyone is wrong, and how his opinion matters most...Terrible choice for a moderator
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
What he's saying is that with Jordan there was no argument. During the entire 80s it was "Magic or Larry?" and whether you personally think Larry wasn't at the same level (an opinion that would flip flop completely if Larry was the Laker in the argument) isn't the issue. The issue is there was an argument. What was the argument in the 90s? When you say best NBA player of the 90s will any NBA analyst, hardcore fan, player, coach, etc say anyone other than Jordan? The answer is no. In the 80s maybe 95% would say either Magic or Larry with the other 5% maybe saying someone else. Since Jordan if you ask who has been the most valuable player in the league no where near 100% of the people will say Kobe. Shaq would get most of the votes, and then Kobe and Duncan would be debated (yeah big men and guards are different but no one argues "Larry, Magic, or Jabbar?". Best is best and best means most likely to make your team a winner). And today right now, the fact that they even debate LeBron vs Kobe. The fact that you even take time out to debate it. Proves with out any doubt that Kobe is not ahead of the pack the way Jordan in the 90s was.
Would a Jordan fan even enter a thread "Jordan vs Barkley" or "Jordan vs Hakeem"? The answer is no. Unless you're just a complete twit. If there was a thread tomorrow about "Who is the greatest Miami Dolphins QB of all time?" all you would see would be two or three posts that say Dan Marino and then the thread would fade away. Because if someone was stupid enough to mention Griese or Morall, a response to those ridiculous claims wouldn't be warranted and the thread would fade away.
So just accept it; Kobe will never be seen like Jordan was in the 90s.
Kobe might never be seen that way to the general public, but it doesn't mean that he's not as talented a player and still has a high chance at achieving as much, if not more than Jordan did...the fact that there weren't as many premier perimeter players in Jordan's era shouldn't be a knock on Kobe. I mean, who did Joran really go up against? Dominique Wilkins? Clyde Drexler? Wilkins is to Jordan as LeBron is to Kobe. LeBron is really no where near Kobe. He's more comparable to the likes of Wade, Melo, T-Mac in his prime etc...Kobe is ALREADY in the upper echelon with Magic, Jordan, Bird, etc. and the fact that he's not as celebrated or marketed as Jordan was does not change that fact...PeACe
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
I'm talking about perimeter players, man...LOL. come on. Reggie Miller is good, but just like he couldn't fuck with MJ, he couldn't fuck with Kobe either. you didn't make any valid points, dawg...PeACe
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^that's some female ass shit...I feel bad for dudes who think like that and speak from emotion as opposed to logic. :-\
but you speak from you emotions all the time LMAO.
you love Kobe; love = emotion.
your emotions just make you always speak positively about him.
lol NIK cant see it, because he's in love. So he doesnt realize how ridiculous he looks to everyone else. He thinks all these Laker fans (mostly cheerleaders) agree with him, when in reality more of the time they dont. They just dont speak up. A lot of them might think Kobe is better then LeBron, and thats fine. Thats their opinion. But they dont agree with him when he makes idiotic comments about players like Kwame Brown bein the next great thing, or Farmar, or Sasha, or Bynum > Howard lol. What NIK has done over the years, is say the Lakers are the best ALL the time. So that during that one instance (maybe this year) when they are...he can say "i told you so". Completely ignoring the fact that it has been YEARS since anyone could say that.
Kobe is by far the best player on the planet and there's nothing ridiculous about that claim. there is, however, something very ridiculous about the overpraise LeBron has received this whole season.
The reason people think youre a joke on this forum, is because of this kind of shit lol A huge portion of the basketball world (analysts, media, fans, etc.) say LeBron is the best right now. I think basketball is complex enough that you cant have "one" best player. Only with MJ was there a clear cut "best". There hasnt been since him, and there wasnt before him. There have been groups of players that were the best at different times. But to claim that saying LeBron is the best is ridiculous...when SOOOO many others say he is, only makes your "Kobe is the best" claim look that much more silly.
notice how you say "people think" because you wanna feel supported in your arguments against...lol. just speak for yourself, son. Magic was the best of his time, Jordan was the best of his, and Kobe is the best now. Kobe=clear cut best. even the LeBron dickriders are starting to see it again. get with the program.
What he's saying is that with Jordan there was no argument. During the entire 80s it was "Magic or Larry?" and whether you personally think Larry wasn't at the same level (an opinion that would flip flop completely if Larry was the Laker in the argument) isn't the issue. The issue is there was an argument. What was the argument in the 90s? When you say best NBA player of the 90s will any NBA analyst, hardcore fan, player, coach, etc say anyone other than Jordan? The answer is no. In the 80s maybe 95% would say either Magic or Larry with the other 5% maybe saying someone else. Since Jordan if you ask who has been the most valuable player in the league no where near 100% of the people will say Kobe. Shaq would get most of the votes, and then Kobe and Duncan would be debated (yeah big men and guards are different but no one argues "Larry, Magic, or Jabbar?". Best is best and best means most likely to make your team a winner). And today right now, the fact that they even debate LeBron vs Kobe. The fact that you even take time out to debate it. Proves with out any doubt that Kobe is not ahead of the pack the way Jordan in the 90s was.
Would a Jordan fan even enter a thread "Jordan vs Barkley" or "Jordan vs Hakeem"? The answer is no. Unless you're just a complete twit. If there was a thread tomorrow about "Who is the greatest Miami Dolphins QB of all time?" all you would see would be two or three posts that say Dan Marino and then the thread would fade away. Because if someone was stupid enough to mention Griese or Morall, a response to those ridiculous claims wouldn't be warranted and the thread would fade away.
So just accept it; Kobe will never be seen like Jordan was in the 90s.
Here's the thing, I sort of agree with you, but I also think that this argument has a WAAAY different background than the MJ era.
In 1991, we got the dream match up, Magic Johnson and his 5 rings, going against Michael who was going for number 1, and the commercial buzz was surrounding MJ. Nike and the NBA was pushing Michael, because even though Magic was only 31, he had a lot of miles in him. Of course MJ won, he beat the previous best, Magic retired because of HIV and the rest is history. There was an undisputed best, and each and every year MJ proved it over and over again.
When MJ retired, no one beat him, so there was a scrabble to the crown, I'd even argue that the Spurs were more dominate than the Lakers for longer, as even though the Lakers 3peated, the Spurs did win 4. So in 9 years, the Lakers and Spurs won 7 titles between them, and appeared in 8. So the argument was alive between Shaq and Duncan, though when Shaq was with the Lakers it leaned Shaq, but Duncan had a right to the crown too.
In 2003, the whole turned upside down. Without a doubt, the Lakers were building for Shaq to age, and Kobe to take over. In the 2002-2003 season, the Lakers missed the finals, but Kobe averaged 30ppg and was over taken Shaq as the best Laker. Then the rape trail. I'll argue that the rape trail screwed Kobe over so much in terms of endorsements and MVP awards. After Shaq left in 2003, Kobe was the best player in the league, the Lakers traded Shaq for young players to complement their young star, but it was a building process. At the same time, Kobe dominated the league, but due to the rape trail, there was not Kobe commercials, there was no Kobe in lyrics, Kobe was a beast, but there was no calls going his way in games. Instead the MVP awards that he should have won went to Steve Nash, a much more safe player to call your best in the eyes of the public. Kobe was scoring 81 points, had multiple 60 point games, leading a team that outside of him would be pushing for number 1 pick in the lottery and taking them to game 7 with the number 1 seed. But the image of Kobe is done.
Last year, the Lakers finally came to play with Kobe, and it was suppose to be Kobe's year. They finally awarded him the MVP, even though it should have been Pauls year, and the Lakers ran through the NBA playoffs. Experts picked the Lakers to win it all, even though across from them was not one future Hall of Famer, but 3. Last year, the league finally market Kobe, but it was not to be, and the league knows that at 30, and all the miles on those knees, time is coming.
Enter LeBron, Lebron is the future, his the most physically dominating player since Shaq, and I'd argue that LeBron today is like Dr. J in the 70's, such a great athlete that players in him era are not even close to his level. The differents is that in MJ's era, MJ was not the best athlete, so many players in the 90's could claim that title. MJ was the best player, the most skilled that the hungriest player to ever lace up snickers. Kobe is that now, Kobe is not the best athlete, but Kobe is the most skilled. The NBA is ready to market LeBron to the moon, and the fact that people have a negative opinion on Kobe mean that people are willing to buy LeBron>Kobe. From 2003-2009, it's been all Kobe, best player, but the league did reflect that. Now Kobe is at the point were he will not be denied. I've never seen Kobe this determined. If this keeps up, look for a Laker repeat next year. I don't see a 3peat, but I do see back to back. Kobe will no be denied, and after these finals, it will be settled. Kobe >> LeBron, for now.
Real shit. It's hilarious how people don't realize that marketing has so much to do with why Jordan was seen the way he was. LOL. Also the fact that he came into the league at a perfect time, when marketing and merchandise sales were just taking off and was becoming serious business... If Kobe, with the current skill set he has today, was placed in the same situation, the possibilities are endless...PeACe
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
Ouch, having to list PF's and C's is a knock against your own argument.
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
I'm talking about perimeter players, man...LOL. come on. Reggie Miller is good, but just like he couldn't fuck with MJ, he couldn't fuck with Kobe either. you didn't make any valid points, dawg...PeACe
LOL Reggie could fuck with MJ as he did take him to game 7 and was closer to beating MJ then anyone else ever during their title runs and Reggie Miller could definitely fuck with Kobe. Was he as good? Nah not quite but could definitely hang with them, he proved it lol
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
Ouch, having to list PF's and C's is a knock against your own argument.
No it isnt, I just mentioned a few of the great players whose teams Jordan had to go against, step it up guys.
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
LMAO
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^^Who did Jordan go against!?!?!?! How about Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, etc. LOL cmon NIK
I'm talking about perimeter players, man...LOL. come on. Reggie Miller is good, but just like he couldn't fuck with MJ, he couldn't fuck with Kobe either. you didn't make any valid points, dawg...PeACe
LOL Reggie could fuck with MJ as he did take him to game 7 and was closer to beating MJ then anyone else ever during their title runs and Reggie Miller could definitely fuck with Kobe. Was he as good? Nah not quite but could definitely hang with them, he proved it lol
the point is, both Kobe and MJ were better than Reggie and both beat him when it counted. Reggie wa sa great player, don't get me wrong, but comparing him to Kobe or MJ is absurd, homie...PeACe
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
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Yeah I don't think NIK being a mod has affected any of this to be honest.
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Yeah I don't think NIK being a mod has affected any of this to be honest.
they act as if I go around deleting random posts that aren't about the Lakers or some shit. LOL.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
Ive been a mod on this board, its no big deal. But really man, youre not right for this section. Youre far too biased, you dont follow ANY sport other then basketball (and even that, its only the Lakers), you flood the section with more useless threads then anyone, you are involved in more beef in this section then anyone, and you are disliked in this section (DubCC in general) more then anyone.
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
LMAO
You can "LMAO" when Kobe's career is over. You are too retarded to see it, but it is clear. He has NO chance of becoming the next MJ. If he did, the media would be ALLLLLLLLL over his ass still. They are still DYING to find that guy they can cling to as the next Jordan. Kobe is not, and can not become it. He doesnt have the love of the fans, or the respect of the entire basketball world that Jordan did. When your opinion can be objective (which it cant), then youre arguments mean something. You far too in love with Kobe to see whats real, and what any others who ARENT fans of Kobe...can see. Im not a fan of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan for that matter. Ive liked watching all of them play...but not fans of any of them. Its clear who is the GOAT in the NBA. And its clear who the next best thing is. Its also clear, Kobe is great...but he is as good as he is going to be. And will NEVER be on Jordans level. Argue all you want, it wont change the facts.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
Ive been a mod on this board, its no big deal. But really man, youre not right for this section. Youre far too biased, you dont follow ANY sport other then basketball (and even that, its only the Lakers), you flood the section with more useless threads then anyone, you are involved in more beef in this section then anyone, and you are disliked in this section (DubCC in general) more then anyone.
I have debates with people, yes...I "flood the board" with useless threads? which ones? LOL. seriously, bro, stop being such a female wit it. "you're not right for this section"...you try to hard. you even made a thread about me being a mod when you forgot to post your reply and claimed that it got deleted. LOL. stop that dumb shit. I don't fuck up on being a mod...i dont lock threads for no reason and I don't delete posts. it's not really a tough job being a mod, man up and hop off...PeACe
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
LMAO
You can "LMAO" when Kobe's career is over. You are too retarded to see it, but it is clear. He has NO chance of becoming the next MJ. If he did, the media would be ALLLLLLLLL over his ass still. They are still DYING to find that guy they can cling to as the next Jordan. Kobe is not, and can not become it. He doesnt have the love of the fans, or the respect of the entire basketball world that Jordan did. When your opinion can be objective (which it cant), then youre arguments mean something. You far too in love with Kobe to see whats real, and what any others who ARENT fans of Kobe...can see. Im not a fan of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan for that matter. Ive liked watching all of them play...but not fans of any of them. Its clear who is the GOAT in the NBA. And its clear who the next best thing is. Its also clear, Kobe is great...but he is as good as he is going to be. And will NEVER be on Jordans level. Argue all you want, it wont change the facts.
the fact of the matter is, the media doesn't wanna market kobe as the next mj...they easily could, EASILY...and the fact that you don't see that all on its own makes you seem illogical. but honestly, the media doesn't like kobe. they simply dont. they like lebron. he's younger, he's more of a character, outgoing, he's the one they chose to give the extra push...it's all marketing, and the fact that you're too narrow minded to see that doesn't really shock me.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
Ive been a mod on this board, its no big deal. But really man, youre not right for this section. Youre far too biased, you dont follow ANY sport other then basketball (and even that, its only the Lakers), you flood the section with more useless threads then anyone, you are involved in more beef in this section then anyone, and you are disliked in this section (DubCC in general) more then anyone.
I have debates with people, yes...I "flood the board" with useless threads? which ones? LOL. seriously, bro, stop being such a female wit it. "you're not right for this section"...you try to hard. you even made a thread about me being a mod when you forgot to post your reply and claimed that it got deleted. LOL. stop that dumb shit. I don't fuck up on being a mod...i dont lock threads for no reason and I don't delete posts. it's not really a tough job being a mod, man up and hop off...PeACe
Bragging about the fact that you dont do shit as a mod isnt really defending yourself. lol. There are like a million threads about the Lakers (which you love, because you are a Laker Kobe fan), even though we have an official Los Angeles Laker sticky thread. Youre a mod by default because nobodies else gives a shit to become one. But be real fool, u dont do shit as a mod lol.
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
LMAO
You can "LMAO" when Kobe's career is over. You are too retarded to see it, but it is clear. He has NO chance of becoming the next MJ. If he did, the media would be ALLLLLLLLL over his ass still. They are still DYING to find that guy they can cling to as the next Jordan. Kobe is not, and can not become it. He doesnt have the love of the fans, or the respect of the entire basketball world that Jordan did. When your opinion can be objective (which it cant), then youre arguments mean something. You far too in love with Kobe to see whats real, and what any others who ARENT fans of Kobe...can see. Im not a fan of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan for that matter. Ive liked watching all of them play...but not fans of any of them. Its clear who is the GOAT in the NBA. And its clear who the next best thing is. Its also clear, Kobe is great...but he is as good as he is going to be. And will NEVER be on Jordans level. Argue all you want, it wont change the facts.
the fact of the matter is, the media doesn't wanna market kobe as the next mj...they easily could, EASILY...and the fact that you don't see that all on its own makes you seem illogical. but honestly, the media doesn't like kobe. they simply dont. they like lebron. he's younger, he's more of a character, outgoing, he's the one they chose to give the extra push...it's all marketing, and the fact that you're too narrow minded to see that doesn't really shock me.
The media doesnt "like" anybody. They just want the next big thing. They dont pick and chose based on who they like, they pick and chose based on who they feel will be the man. They rode Kobe at one point, but then jumped off when they saw it wasnt going to result in "the next Jordan". They could care LESS who it will be, they just want it to be SOMEbody. Yeah, theyre hoping it will be LeBron. The reason LeBron is getting so much pub now...is because they realize that it WONT be Kobe, and LeBron is next in line. The media has built up EVERY player they felt could become the next MJ for the league. One by one, they stopped pushing them, and moved onto the next guy. The same thing is happening with Kobe. Not because they dislike him (how childish is THAT claim? LOL), but because they realize that if he isnt already competing for the sport of best ever, then he never will.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
Ive been a mod on this board, its no big deal. But really man, youre not right for this section. Youre far too biased, you dont follow ANY sport other then basketball (and even that, its only the Lakers), you flood the section with more useless threads then anyone, you are involved in more beef in this section then anyone, and you are disliked in this section (DubCC in general) more then anyone.
I have debates with people, yes...I "flood the board" with useless threads? which ones? LOL. seriously, bro, stop being such a female wit it. "you're not right for this section"...you try to hard. you even made a thread about me being a mod when you forgot to post your reply and claimed that it got deleted. LOL. stop that dumb shit. I don't fuck up on being a mod...i dont lock threads for no reason and I don't delete posts. it's not really a tough job being a mod, man up and hop off...PeACe
Bragging about the fact that you dont do shit as a mod isnt really defending yourself. lol. There are like a million threads about the Lakers (which you love, because you are a Laker Kobe fan), even though we have an official Los Angeles Laker sticky thread. Youre a mod by default because nobodies else gives a shit to become one. But be real fool, u dont do shit as a mod lol.
show me a Laker thread that needs to be deleted or locked...come on, girl, just chill.
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Terrible choice for a moderator
thats obvious
This place needs a mod that follows more than just the Lakers.
at least a COUPLE other sports...and other teams within the ONE sport he follows. Not to mention, most of the bullshit threads and posts that people complain about in here, come from the Mod lol
LOL @ these kids whining about me being a mod...since when did me being a Laker fan interfere with my moderation of this section? you busters are truly on some other shit. :grumpy:
Ive been a mod on this board, its no big deal. But really man, youre not right for this section. Youre far too biased, you dont follow ANY sport other then basketball (and even that, its only the Lakers), you flood the section with more useless threads then anyone, you are involved in more beef in this section then anyone, and you are disliked in this section (DubCC in general) more then anyone.
I have debates with people, yes...I "flood the board" with useless threads? which ones? LOL. seriously, bro, stop being such a female wit it. "you're not right for this section"...you try to hard. you even made a thread about me being a mod when you forgot to post your reply and claimed that it got deleted. LOL. stop that dumb shit. I don't fuck up on being a mod...i dont lock threads for no reason and I don't delete posts. it's not really a tough job being a mod, man up and hop off...PeACe
Bragging about the fact that you dont do shit as a mod isnt really defending yourself. lol. There are like a million threads about the Lakers (which you love, because you are a Laker Kobe fan), even though we have an official Los Angeles Laker sticky thread. Youre a mod by default because nobodies else gives a shit to become one. But be real fool, u dont do shit as a mod lol.
show me a Laker thread that needs to be deleted or locked...come on, girl, just chill.
Im not doin your job for you DubCC legend :loser: lol
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
LMAO
You can "LMAO" when Kobe's career is over. You are too retarded to see it, but it is clear. He has NO chance of becoming the next MJ. If he did, the media would be ALLLLLLLLL over his ass still. They are still DYING to find that guy they can cling to as the next Jordan. Kobe is not, and can not become it. He doesnt have the love of the fans, or the respect of the entire basketball world that Jordan did. When your opinion can be objective (which it cant), then youre arguments mean something. You far too in love with Kobe to see whats real, and what any others who ARENT fans of Kobe...can see. Im not a fan of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan for that matter. Ive liked watching all of them play...but not fans of any of them. Its clear who is the GOAT in the NBA. And its clear who the next best thing is. Its also clear, Kobe is great...but he is as good as he is going to be. And will NEVER be on Jordans level. Argue all you want, it wont change the facts.
the fact of the matter is, the media doesn't wanna market kobe as the next mj...they easily could, EASILY...and the fact that you don't see that all on its own makes you seem illogical. but honestly, the media doesn't like kobe. they simply dont. they like lebron. he's younger, he's more of a character, outgoing, he's the one they chose to give the extra push...it's all marketing, and the fact that you're too narrow minded to see that doesn't really shock me.
The media doesnt "like" anybody. They just want the next big thing. They dont pick and chose based on who they like, they pick and chose based on who they feel will be the man. They rode Kobe at one point, but then jumped off when they saw it wasnt going to result in "the next Jordan". They could care LESS who it will be, they just want it to be SOMEbody. Yeah, theyre hoping it will be LeBron. The reason LeBron is getting so much pub now...is because they realize that it WONT be Kobe, and LeBron is next in line. The media has built up EVERY player they felt could become the next MJ for the league. One by one, they stopped pushing them, and moved onto the next guy. The same thing is happening with Kobe. Not because they dislike him (how childish is THAT claim? LOL), but because they realize that if he isnt already competing for the sport of best ever, then he never will.
right...the media hopped off because they saw Kobe wasn't the next greatest, not because of the rape trial. LMAO, you are delusional. stop flooding this section with illogical bullshit.
if Kobe got as much attention and hype as LeBron does right now, he could easily be made out to look just like Jordan did right now...unfortunately, he doesn't get that push and it has nothing to do with his skill level, but more with the person he is...open your eyes, sheep...PeACe
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daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
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You can "LMAO" when Kobe's career is over. You are too retarded to see it, but it is clear. He has NO chance of becoming the next MJ. If he did, the media would be ALLLLLLLLL over his ass still. They are still DYING to find that guy they can cling to as the next Jordan. Kobe is not, and can not become it. He doesnt have the love of the fans, or the respect of the entire basketball world that Jordan did. When your opinion can be objective (which it cant), then youre arguments mean something. You far too in love with Kobe to see whats real, and what any others who ARENT fans of Kobe...can see. Im not a fan of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan for that matter. Ive liked watching all of them play...but not fans of any of them. Its clear who is the GOAT in the NBA. And its clear who the next best thing is. Its also clear, Kobe is great...but he is as good as he is going to be. And will NEVER be on Jordans level. Argue all you want, it wont change the facts.
the fact of the matter is, the media doesn't wanna market kobe as the next mj...they easily could, EASILY...and the fact that you don't see that all on its own makes you seem illogical. but honestly, the media doesn't like kobe. they simply dont. they like lebron. he's younger, he's more of a character, outgoing, he's the one they chose to give the extra push...it's all marketing, and the fact that you're too narrow minded to see that doesn't really shock me.
The media doesnt "like" anybody. They just want the next big thing. They dont pick and chose based on who they like, they pick and chose based on who they feel will be the man. They rode Kobe at one point, but then jumped off when they saw it wasnt going to result in "the next Jordan". They could care LESS who it will be, they just want it to be SOMEbody. Yeah, theyre hoping it will be LeBron. The reason LeBron is getting so much pub now...is because they realize that it WONT be Kobe, and LeBron is next in line. The media has built up EVERY player they felt could become the next MJ for the league. One by one, they stopped pushing them, and moved onto the next guy. The same thing is happening with Kobe. Not because they dislike him (how childish is THAT claim? LOL), but because they realize that if he isnt already competing for the sport of best ever, then he never will.
right...the media hopped off because they saw Kobe wasn't the next greatest, not because of the rape trial. LMAO, you are delusional. stop flooding this section with illogical bullshit.
if Kobe got as much attention and hype as LeBron does right now, he could easily be made out to look just like Jordan did right now...unfortunately, he doesn't get that push and it has nothing to do with his skill level, but more with the person he is...open your eyes, sheep...PeACe
Sure the rape trial hurt Kobe. But u know what happens when the GOAT of any sport has the same sort of accusation against them (and then comes out victorious)? It gets swept under the rug and people still call them the GOAT. Kobe took a media hit for several reasons. If he was a good guy, who WAS the best ever, the media would still ride his nuts. The problem is, he isnt a good guy, he isnt the best ever...and so the whole rape scandal carried far more weight then it would with somebody like Jordan.
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Kobe will make the NBA money soley based on how good he is and the fact that he plays in LA...that's why they need to hype LeBron so much, so that he can compare to Kobe in terms of being a cash cow. shit's pretty fuckin obvious to people who don't have their head up their ass. the NBA is making more money nowadays with the equal marketing of various superstars as opposed to the time when Jordan was given most of the marketing attention. the nba has more money to spend, which means more money to make. we're in a different era...it's common sense to anyone who knows business ethics.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
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kobe likes to rape women and touch scrotum
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kobe likes to rape women and touch scrotum
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With the exception of molesting Pao...thats actually a very smart move. Him grabbing Pao isnt a foul, and it leaves no possible way for the defender to fight through the screen.
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kobe likes to rape women and touch scrotum
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
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We should all quit dealing in "what-ifs", dont ya'll think?
We will never know what Kobe woulda been like with the Bulls, and who the fuck cares? Kobes career is completely different from Jordan's, as it is to Lebron's.
Kobe came in and had ZERO pressure on him in the first few years- no one even really cared about the air balls in the playoffs. Kobe had a great team behind him, something that Jordan didn't.
Once Shaq left, Kobe's seasons alone mirror Jordan's EARLY seasons, in that both had to force shots and carry their teams. Kind of like Lebron has had to early in his career.
Regardless, Kobe got three early titles, and I think he is about to get another one- this Lakers team is too damn good, and Kobe is having a truly GREAT playoffs so far. Props to him.
But Kobe still has a lot of work to do to best Jordan--- it likely won't happen ever. Forget about who is more popular, because we know for a variety of reasons Kobe can't win that one. ON THE COURT, its gonna take a lot for Kobe to best Jordan- it likely isn't possible but Kobe is an all-time great no doubt.
Am i ready to retract the Bron>Kobe claim?
Well, I don't recall you ever retracting your claim when Lebron made it further then Kobe in '07, or when Kobe's team got beat in 6 (and in 39 in the DECIDING game) by a team that both the Cavs and Hawks took to 7.
Why would I retract my "ridiculous" lebron over Kobe claim? Are the Lakers better than the Cavs? By far. As i have said ALL YEAR, I didn't buy Williams as a true second option, and Ilgauskas isn't an all-star, but a 7'3 pylon on defense who can make the occasional jumper.
Lakers>Cavs, and every other team in the league. That should be Lakers fans primary concern, not whether he is better than Lebron or not.
After all, Kobe fans never felt he was worse than Nash when losing those series, or worse than anyone period despite the losses.
SO why would this be any different?
Quit trying to re-write history NIK
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
that was a great post good job ;D ;)
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We should all quit dealing in "what-ifs", dont ya'll think?
We will never know what Kobe woulda been like with the Bulls, and who the fuck cares? Kobes career is completely different from Jordan's, as it is to Lebron's.
Kobe came in and had ZERO pressure on him in the first few years- no one even really cared about the air balls in the playoffs. Kobe had a great team behind him, something that Jordan didn't.
Once Shaq left, Kobe's seasons alone mirror Jordan's EARLY seasons, in that both had to force shots and carry their teams. Kind of like Lebron has had to early in his career.
Regardless, Kobe got three early titles, and I think he is about to get another one- this Lakers team is too damn good, and Kobe is having a truly GREAT playoffs so far. Props to him.
But Kobe still has a lot of work to do to best Jordan--- it likely won't happen ever. Forget about who is more popular, because we know for a variety of reasons Kobe can't win that one. ON THE COURT, its gonna take a lot for Kobe to best Jordan- it likely isn't possible but Kobe is an all-time great no doubt.
Am i ready to retract the Bron>Kobe claim?
Well, I don't recall you ever retracting your claim when Lebron made it further then Kobe in '07, or when Kobe's team got beat in 6 (and in 39 in the DECIDING game) by a team that both the Cavs and Hawks took to 7.
Why would I retract my "ridiculous" lebron over Kobe claim? Are the Lakers better than the Cavs? By far. As i have said ALL YEAR, I didn't buy Williams as a true second option, and Ilgauskas isn't an all-star, but a 7'3 pylon on defense who can make the occasional jumper.
Lakers>Cavs, and every other team in the league. That should be Lakers fans primary concern, not whether he is better than Lebron or not.
After all, Kobe fans never felt he was worse than Nash when losing those series, or worse than anyone period despite the losses.
SO why would this be any different?
Quit trying to re-write history NIK
another good job of summing things up....well said
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We should all quit dealing in "what-ifs", dont ya'll think?
We will never know what Kobe woulda been like with the Bulls, and who the fuck cares? Kobes career is completely different from Jordan's, as it is to Lebron's.
Kobe came in and had ZERO pressure on him in the first few years- no one even really cared about the air balls in the playoffs. Kobe had a great team behind him, something that Jordan didn't.
Once Shaq left, Kobe's seasons alone mirror Jordan's EARLY seasons, in that both had to force shots and carry their teams. Kind of like Lebron has had to early in his career.
Regardless, Kobe got three early titles, and I think he is about to get another one- this Lakers team is too damn good, and Kobe is having a truly GREAT playoffs so far. Props to him.
But Kobe still has a lot of work to do to best Jordan--- it likely won't happen ever. Forget about who is more popular, because we know for a variety of reasons Kobe can't win that one. ON THE COURT, its gonna take a lot for Kobe to best Jordan- it likely isn't possible but Kobe is an all-time great no doubt.
Am i ready to retract the Bron>Kobe claim?
Well, I don't recall you ever retracting your claim when Lebron made it further then Kobe in '07, or when Kobe's team got beat in 6 (and in 39 in the DECIDING game) by a team that both the Cavs and Hawks took to 7.
Why would I retract my "ridiculous" lebron over Kobe claim? Are the Lakers better than the Cavs? By far. As i have said ALL YEAR, I didn't buy Williams as a true second option, and Ilgauskas isn't an all-star, but a 7'3 pylon on defense who can make the occasional jumper.
Lakers>Cavs, and every other team in the league. That should be Lakers fans primary concern, not whether he is better than Lebron or not.
After all, Kobe fans never felt he was worse than Nash when losing those series, or worse than anyone period despite the losses.
SO why would this be any different?
Quit trying to re-write history NIK
Right...there wasn't as much hype surrounding Kobe when he entered the league, which means he had to make a name for himself out of nothing. a much harder task to accomplish. using that as a knock on Kobe is ridiculous. the fact of the matter is, using these "what if" scenarios may seem stupid, but they help to paint a better picture of how Kobe would be perceived in the public eye had he been given the same benefits entering the league as Jordan (a team to himself, marketing up the ass focused mainly on him, over-the-top respect from nba officials, etc.)...you forget, Kobe was being booked as the next best thing way before Shaq left. The comparisons to Jordan started when Shaq was still around and they've lasted a decade...what does that tell you? Other players have been compared to Jordan, but people weren't comparing them for THIS long. LeBron needs to win at least one title before he can even enter these discussions. I don't know why this is so hard to understand? I don't get why people don't see that it was Kobe mentoring LeBron in the olympics last year, and not the other way around...the overpraise of LeBron/underpraise of Kobe that was going on around the league when the Cavs were beasting was just ridiculous. Notice how the talks died down? Notice how they started calling Kobe "the best player on the planet" with no hesitation once LeBron was eliminated? The media is a bitch, and they got your minds fucked...just watch both players playing and it is clear who is the experienced legend and who is still learning to find his...PeACe
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We should all quit dealing in "what-ifs", dont ya'll think?
We will never know what Kobe woulda been like with the Bulls, and who the fuck cares? Kobes career is completely different from Jordan's, as it is to Lebron's.
Kobe came in and had ZERO pressure on him in the first few years- no one even really cared about the air balls in the playoffs. Kobe had a great team behind him, something that Jordan didn't.
Once Shaq left, Kobe's seasons alone mirror Jordan's EARLY seasons, in that both had to force shots and carry their teams. Kind of like Lebron has had to early in his career.
Regardless, Kobe got three early titles, and I think he is about to get another one- this Lakers team is too damn good, and Kobe is having a truly GREAT playoffs so far. Props to him.
But Kobe still has a lot of work to do to best Jordan--- it likely won't happen ever. Forget about who is more popular, because we know for a variety of reasons Kobe can't win that one. ON THE COURT, its gonna take a lot for Kobe to best Jordan- it likely isn't possible but Kobe is an all-time great no doubt.
Am i ready to retract the Bron>Kobe claim?
Well, I don't recall you ever retracting your claim when Lebron made it further then Kobe in '07, or when Kobe's team got beat in 6 (and in 39 in the DECIDING game) by a team that both the Cavs and Hawks took to 7.
Why would I retract my "ridiculous" lebron over Kobe claim? Are the Lakers better than the Cavs? By far. As i have said ALL YEAR, I didn't buy Williams as a true second option, and Ilgauskas isn't an all-star, but a 7'3 pylon on defense who can make the occasional jumper.
Lakers>Cavs, and every other team in the league. That should be Lakers fans primary concern, not whether he is better than Lebron or not.
After all, Kobe fans never felt he was worse than Nash when losing those series, or worse than anyone period despite the losses.
SO why would this be any different?
Quit trying to re-write history NIK
Right...there wasn't as much hype surrounding Kobe when he entered the league, which means he had to make a name for himself out of nothing. a much harder task to accomplish. using that as a knock on Kobe is ridiculous. the fact of the matter is, using these "what if" scenarios may seem stupid, but they help to paint a better picture of how Kobe would be perceived in the public eye had he been given the same benefits entering the league as Jordan (a team to himself, marketing up the ass focused mainly on him, over-the-top respect from nba officials, etc.)...you forget, Kobe was being booked as the next best thing way before Shaq left. The comparisons to Jordan started when Shaq was still around and they've lasted a decade...what does that tell you? Other players have been compared to Jordan, but people weren't comparing them for THIS long. LeBron needs to win at least one title before he can even enter these discussions. I don't know why this is so hard to understand? I don't get why people don't see that it was Kobe mentoring LeBron in the olympics last year, and not the other way around...the overpraise of LeBron/underpraise of Kobe that was going on around the league when the Cavs were beasting was just ridiculous. Notice how the talks died down? Notice how they started calling Kobe "the best player on the planet" with no hesitation once LeBron was eliminated? The media is a bitch, and they got your minds fucked...just watch both players playing and it is clear who is the experienced legend and who is still learning to find his...PeACe
Personally, I don't fuck with the media alot, but I feel I am intelligent enough to be my own judge: I appreciate Lebron's all around game and think what he has done at this stage in his career is truly remarkable. He plays in a horrible offense, has second rate teammates, etc.
Of course the talk is gonna die down once Lebron is out; we are left with the two best teams in the league, so to focus on LEbron would be stupid.. Furthermore, you know the media loves a good story, and Lebron walking out with out hte handshake has really hurt his status with the...MEDIA. Hence, less positive Lebron talk. Fairly simple, I am sure you get it.
Kobe is about to get a title likely, but you have been calling him a legend and an all-time great for years, yet he has never lead his team to shit. In fact, he played quite badly last year in the finals. Even Kobe knows he needs this title plus a few more to even be mentioned with Jordan, so why don't you?
And the fact that Kobe has been compared to Jordan for so long says something, doesn't it?! Kobe will always be compared to Jordan, because MJ is the bar, and all the rest are just trying to reach it.
NIK, your elitist attitude is sad. The media has everyone's mind "fucked up" but yours, right?
You have been proven wrong so many times, your predictions have been wrong on so many occasions (just like others),yet only you have never once said "I was wrong"...instead, you rationalize your mistakes in your own mind, and because it seems to mistake sense within your own head, you then "feel" or "think" everyone else must agree, otherwise they are "idiots", "gay", etc etc.
Only "MoSav" really co-signs you, and its pretty obvious he is your alias.
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my bad for that wack post last night i was drunk
i deleted it
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
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Only "MoSav" really co-signs you, and its pretty obvious he is your alias.
LMAO...your closing sentence summed up your whole flawed way of thinkin.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
Its true, there are a ton of reason why Jordan is the icon he is. Youre right, during the height of his popularity...he became larger then the sport. There is his charisma, his likeability, etc. But there is also this, for the first time you had a star in Basketball that was hands down, without a doubt (there was NO debate about this) the best player in the league. There was no question. As a matter of fact, before his career was over there was no question that he was the best ever. It was NEVER in doubt. You didnt have that before him, and you havent had it since. And we're talking about an era that saw the end of Magic and Birds careers, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Drexler, Pippen, Stockton, Wilkins, etc. All greats, all HOF's or future HOF's. And he was still, THE best. And no one argued it.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
I truly think you underestimate how much the media controls peoples view of an individual... you wanna attribute Jordan's status to his charismatic personality, but I see it more as him getting the extra push that gives him that untouchable perception to the general public. It could also be a combination of both, but the fact of the matter is, there's no way to really know 100%...Either way, I'm more concerned with the way a player plays as opposed to the way that player is viewed as an individual, and all I know is that Kobe, on the court, is capable of doing everything Jordan did and maybe even more...PeACe
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
Its true, there are a ton of reason why Jordan is the icon he is. Youre right, during the height of his popularity...he became larger then the sport. There is his charisma, his likeability, etc. But there is also this, for the first time you had a star in Basketball that was hands down, without a doubt (there was NO debate about this) the best player in the league. There was no question. As a matter of fact, before his career was over there was no question that he was the best ever. It was NEVER in doubt. You didnt have that before him, and you havent had it since. And we're talking about an era that saw the end of Magic and Birds careers, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Drexler, Pippen, Stockton, Wilkins, etc. All greats, all HOF's or future HOF's. And he was still, THE best. And no one argued it.
How would Kobe not be the best out of that list? Especially if you put him in Jordan's shoes...there is not one perimeter player that could compare to Kobe had he been playing in Jordan's era. There still isn't now, but that's besides the point. LOL.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
I truly think you underestimate how much the media controls peoples view of an individual... you wanna attribute Jordan's status to his charismatic personality, but I see it more as him getting the extra push that gives him that untouchable perception to the general public. It could also be a combination of both, but the fact of the matter is, there's no way to really know 100%...Either way, I'm more concerned with the way a player plays as opposed to the way that player is viewed as an individual, and all I know is that Kobe, on the court, is capable of doing everything Jordan did and maybe even more...PeACe
I truly think you underestimate how much the media is controlled by the peoples views. Remember, when it comes to the media...the viewers are the customers. The media is the supplier. You only supply what your customers want to see.
As for your last sentence....LOL
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
If Jordan never came into the league then and came into it now he may or may not have been as big as he was in the 90s but he would be hands down bigger than anyone else in the NBA. There was so much more to market with that guy. He had a natural charisma that LeBron and Kobe don't have. Someone said about Hulk Hogan; Hogan never would have been as big as he was in the 90s instead of the 80s acting the way he acted but you could pluck Hulk Hogan out of 1985 and put him on 2009 TV and he'd be the biggest star in the company hands down.
Timing is a small factor in the rise of megastars. Take Elvis Presly from 1956, give him a slight make over and have him sing current pop songs and he may not change the world of music in 2009 but he'd make Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers look like clowns.
Kobe simply does not have the it factor that Jordan had. I know you like the guy and all but I'm sorry he doesn't. No Laker ever did. No other NBA player ever did. When you thought basketball you thought MJ. And more so you would think MJ before you even thought basketball. No ther player in the history of the sport would you answer the question "Who is Michael Jordan?" with "He's Michael Jordan". Every other huge star in basket you'd say "he's a basketball player".
I truly think you underestimate how much the media controls peoples view of an individual... you wanna attribute Jordan's status to his charismatic personality, but I see it more as him getting the extra push that gives him that untouchable perception to the general public. It could also be a combination of both, but the fact of the matter is, there's no way to really know 100%...Either way, I'm more concerned with the way a player plays as opposed to the way that player is viewed as an individual, and all I know is that Kobe, on the court, is capable of doing everything Jordan did and maybe even more...PeACe
I truly think you underestimate how much the media is controlled by the peoples views. Remember, when it comes to the media...the viewers are the customers. The media is the supplier. You only supply what your customers want to see.
As for your last sentence....LOL
LOL.....sheep.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
Don't bother pointing out NIK's double standards and contradictions to him......... ;)
This shit is just too easy, he makes himself look stupid. The best part is, he comes on here to try and make himself look and feel intelligent, and I actually believe he thinks he is doing that
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
because lebron is not yet in the upper echelon with kobe, magic, jordan, etc...what dont u get?
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
lol once again a grand conspiracy to keep Kobe down.
Your logic is backwards. Jordan got the endorsements and push because the people demanded it. Kobe doesn't command those endorsements because the people don't demand it.
Once again, do you honestly believe that all it would take to push Kobe to Jordan status is a marketing push? You can't be this stupid. If that was the case, then why the fuck wouldn't he be getting that push? If Kobe was somehow Jordan status (he's not even close), then advertisers would make billions off of his name and likeness.
Jordan has it, Kobe doesn't.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
because lebron is not yet in the upper echelon with kobe, magic, jordan, etc...what dont u get?
what dont you get about the fact that Kobe is not on the same tier as Jordan? lol Everybody else gets this, you dont. You keep trying to include Kobe in a class he is obviously not, but then claim LeBron isnt on Kobe's level. You dont see your hypocracy? Even Magic knows that Jordan is on another level compared to the rest of the players...EVER. Even Bird said Jordan was the best. Everybody knows it, except for you lol. Bottom line, LeBron won MVP this year because he deserved it. He WAS the most valuable player. Is there an argument for Kobe this year...or Wade...etc? Yes. But you cant say LeBron won MVP because of media hype with the year he had...and then say Kobe won it last year because he deserved it lol. Thats the kind of shit that makes u sound like an idiot to everybody here. Your opinions are a joke, the whole forum laughs at the shit you say. But you still cant see it lol. Youre just embarassing yourself at this point.
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
because lebron is not yet in the upper echelon with kobe, magic, jordan, etc...what dont u get?
what dont you get about the fact that Kobe is not on the same tier as Jordan? lol Everybody else gets this, you dont. You keep trying to include Kobe in a class he is obviously not, but then claim LeBron isnt on Kobe's level. You dont see your hypocracy? Even Magic knows that Jordan is on another level compared to the rest of the players...EVER. Even Bird said Jordan was the best. Everybody knows it, except for you lol. Bottom line, LeBron won MVP this year because he deserved it. He WAS the most valuable player. Is there an argument for Kobe this year...or Wade...etc? Yes. But you cant say LeBron won MVP because of media hype with the year he had...and then say Kobe won it last year because he deserved it lol. Thats the kind of shit that makes u sound like an idiot to everybody here. Your opinions are a joke, the whole forum laughs at the shit you say. But you still cant see it lol. Youre just embarassing yourself at this point.
Kobe is not in the same tier as Jordan and Magic? who says, you dumb bitch? "everybody gets this"...ive never even seen anyone make that claim besides your stupid ass. The fact that Kobe doesn't have 3 or 4 MVP awards by now all in its own is a joke...Many people have already acknowledged this...even in the media. Now shut the fuck up and go post about your team for once, dipshit. it's obvious that you hate the Lakers more than you love the Spurs...LOL. :grumpy:
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
because lebron is not yet in the upper echelon with kobe, magic, jordan, etc...what dont u get?
what dont you get about the fact that Kobe is not on the same tier as Jordan? lol Everybody else gets this, you dont. You keep trying to include Kobe in a class he is obviously not, but then claim LeBron isnt on Kobe's level. You dont see your hypocracy? Even Magic knows that Jordan is on another level compared to the rest of the players...EVER. Even Bird said Jordan was the best. Everybody knows it, except for you lol. Bottom line, LeBron won MVP this year because he deserved it. He WAS the most valuable player. Is there an argument for Kobe this year...or Wade...etc? Yes. But you cant say LeBron won MVP because of media hype with the year he had...and then say Kobe won it last year because he deserved it lol. Thats the kind of shit that makes u sound like an idiot to everybody here. Your opinions are a joke, the whole forum laughs at the shit you say. But you still cant see it lol. Youre just embarassing yourself at this point.
Kobe is not in the same tier as Jordan and Magic? who says, you dumb bitch? "everybody gets this"...ive never even seen anyone make that claim besides your stupid ass. The fact that Kobe doesn't have 3 or 4 MVP awards by now all in its own is a joke...Many people have already acknowledged this...even in the media. Now shut the fuck up and go post about your team for once, dipshit. it's obvious that you hate the Lakers more than you love the Spurs...LOL. :grumpy:
No, you're wrong. Everyone knows Kobe is not on the same level as Magic & Michael, or even Bird. Shit, Shaq is on a higher level than Kobe is (career wise). Kobes got a way to go before he gets up there with the REAL legends of the game. Shaq has already proven he could win a title without the Lakers and Kobe, and Kobe has yet to do it (altho it looks like its about to happen)...But dude, Kobe is NOT the end all, and be all of basketball players, I dont know when you are gona figure this out. Its pretty lame the way you constantly put Kobe on this pedestal you made up for him.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
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You can argue whether or not Kobe is as good now as Jordan ever was. I'm not going to say a current Kobe on that Chicago team instead of Jordan wouldn't have won as much. But I'll never believe that Kobe would ever have been the star Jordan was in the mainstream media. You cannot create the level of star MJ was. No matter how good you are. How talented. How many rings. Michael Jordan was in a very select group of mega celebrity super sports stars that only a handful of people ever get to see. Babe Ruth. Ali, Tyson, Mickey Mantle, Jack Dempsey, Wayne Gretzky (but more so in Canada because Hockey is only so big in the US). These are figures who in their prime were national heroes. Plenty of people can be hailed as "the best" at what they do in sports. Their have been dozens over the decades, but only a very select few can reach the heights of marketing that Jordan reached. All the stars alligned for him and he was the perfect man for the situation.
Saying you could easily do it with Kobe is like saying Vince McMahon could have easily made another Hulk Hogan. MJ is Hulk Hogan. Kobe is the Ultimate Warrior.
but you can't really say that Kobe wouldn't have been as big as Jordan on the Bulls, because there's no way of knowing...you don't know how Kobe woulda been handled had he been placed in Jordan's shoes. Jordan came in the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. I could easily see Kobe being that same way had he been brought into the league under the same circumstances as Jordan...for you to act like that's out of the question is wrong. A huge part of it is a a matter of timing...PeACe
LOL, but you know that LeBron NEVER could have filled Kobe's shoes on the 3peat teams? :laugh:
because lebron is not yet in the upper echelon with kobe, magic, jordan, etc...what dont u get?
what dont you get about the fact that Kobe is not on the same tier as Jordan? lol Everybody else gets this, you dont. You keep trying to include Kobe in a class he is obviously not, but then claim LeBron isnt on Kobe's level. You dont see your hypocracy? Even Magic knows that Jordan is on another level compared to the rest of the players...EVER. Even Bird said Jordan was the best. Everybody knows it, except for you lol. Bottom line, LeBron won MVP this year because he deserved it. He WAS the most valuable player. Is there an argument for Kobe this year...or Wade...etc? Yes. But you cant say LeBron won MVP because of media hype with the year he had...and then say Kobe won it last year because he deserved it lol. Thats the kind of shit that makes u sound like an idiot to everybody here. Your opinions are a joke, the whole forum laughs at the shit you say. But you still cant see it lol. Youre just embarassing yourself at this point.
Kobe is not in the same tier as Jordan and Magic? who says, you dumb bitch? "everybody gets this"...ive never even seen anyone make that claim besides your stupid ass. The fact that Kobe doesn't have 3 or 4 MVP awards by now all in its own is a joke...Many people have already acknowledged this...even in the media. Now shut the fuck up and go post about your team for once, dipshit. it's obvious that you hate the Lakers more than you love the Spurs...LOL. :grumpy:
No, you're wrong. Everyone knows Kobe is not on the same level as Magic & Michael, or even Bird. Shit, Shaq is on a higher level than Kobe is (career wise). Kobes got a way to go before he gets up there with the REAL legends of the game. Shaq has already proven he could win a title without the Lakers and Kobe, and Kobe has yet to do it (altho it looks like its about to happen)...But dude, Kobe is NOT the end all, and be all of basketball players, I dont know when you are gona figure this out. Its pretty lame the way you constantly put Kobe on this pedestal you made up for him.
First of all, Shaq is not on a higher level than Kobe was (careerwise)...Kobe is about to lead his team to a title without Shaq this year, while Shaq will never have the chance to lead his team to a title without Kobe. LOL. Funny how shit works, huh? Just last year Shaq was rappin about how Kobe couldn't do it without him :-X...but that's besides the point. Shaq is in that upper echelon, as is Kobe...there's really no argument against this, and anyone tryna make one is flat out retarded...LOL. Nothing I've said is absurd...it's a common notion in the basketball world, and I dunno why you Kobe haters are so motivated to prove it wrong... :grumpy:
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
lol once again a grand conspiracy to keep Kobe down.
Your logic is backwards. Jordan got the endorsements and push because the people demanded it. Kobe doesn't command those endorsements because the people don't demand it.
Once again, do you honestly believe that all it would take to push Kobe to Jordan status is a marketing push? You can't be this stupid. If that was the case, then why the fuck wouldn't he be getting that push? If Kobe was somehow Jordan status (he's not even close), then advertisers would make billions off of his name and likeness.
Jordan has it, Kobe doesn't.
how many times do I have to explain the fact that the NBA is making more money out of marketing various NBA superstars as opposed to using the marketing money to promote just one?....ITS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD TO GET.
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
what's so wrong about that?...it becomes pretty obvious when you have no argument. LOL.
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^your one to use the "you have no argument" lmao.
at least twice every thread somebody throws a fact or something at you & you just reply "you fucking moron, shutup!" :laugh:
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
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Jordan was hated by the league earlier on in his career incase anyone forgot.....Fined many times for breaking the NBA shoe rule, wearing the baggy shorts....A lot of players were like "who the fuck is this kid" and he was labelled as a "one man gang" showoff type of guy. Similiar to AI early on his his career aswell.
To say Jordan was dickrode by the league and was the Golden Child is a load of crap!!
It wasnt really till after he started winning the titles that the league was all over him, even tho he had already succesfully branded himself worldwide to the youth (similar to LeBron now) before the titles.
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
thats just a call that shouldnt be made to decide a championship tho...and many players would have got the same "No-call" including Kobe, LeBron, Wade ect....the refs dont want to blow the whistle when the games on the line unless they absolutley have to...
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
thats just a call that shouldnt be made to decide a championship tho...and many players would have got the same "No-call" including Kobe, LeBron, Wade ect....the refs dont want to blow the whistle when the games on the line unless they absolutley have to...
so when do they have to call it? im not talking about this cause its Jordan, i mean even if Kobe or someone did it. A foul is a foul, so your saying everyone should be able to foul on the last play of the game and it shouldnt be called because it can decide the game?. If its a clear foul it should be called, its like when lebron got called for that Crab Dribble aka travel and everyone on here was saying, o it shouldnt have been called cause it decided the game and Lebron is a superstar and should get some calls. I just dont understand how ppl should say fouls shouldnt be called late in the game, if anything they should be, i would be pissed if i got booted from the playoffs on a play when the other player clearly fouled. I can understand not calling a foul if is a ticky tacky type foul or if it looks like like both player had part in it. I just think this is the reason why the nba reffing is rediculous, if its a foul at the start of the game, then its a foul at the end of the game.
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
thats just a call that shouldnt be made to decide a championship tho...and many players would have got the same "No-call" including Kobe, LeBron, Wade ect....the refs dont want to blow the whistle when the games on the line unless they absolutley have to...
so when do they have to call it? im not talking about this cause its Jordan, i mean even if Kobe or someone did it. A foul is a foul, so your saying everyone should be able to foul on the last play of the game and it shouldnt be called because it can decide the game?. If its a clear foul it should be called, its like when lebron got called for that Crab Dribble aka travel and everyone on here was saying, o it shouldnt have been called cause it decided the game and Lebron is a superstar and should get some calls. I just dont understand how ppl should say fouls shouldnt be called late in the game, if anything they should be, i would be pissed if i got booted from the playoffs on a play when the other player clearly fouled. I can understand not calling a foul if is a ticky tacky type foul or if it looks like like both player had part in it. I just think this is the reason why the nba reffing is rediculous, if its a foul at the start of the game, then its a foul at the end of the game.
no you are right a foul is a foul but its just the way it is sometimes....like there is no way in hell the refs would have blown the whistle on the last play of jordans career (forget washington) to make the shot and win the championship? it would have been a stupid call. It wasnt a lot of contact on a drive to the basket or anything, Jordan DID make a nice move and that shot is money all game, so I can see why they wouldnt call a little push on Russell when he was already going in that direction anyways...
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
thats just a call that shouldnt be made to decide a championship tho...and many players would have got the same "No-call" including Kobe, LeBron, Wade ect....the refs dont want to blow the whistle when the games on the line unless they absolutley have to...
so when do they have to call it? im not talking about this cause its Jordan, i mean even if Kobe or someone did it. A foul is a foul, so your saying everyone should be able to foul on the last play of the game and it shouldnt be called because it can decide the game?. If its a clear foul it should be called, its like when lebron got called for that Crab Dribble aka travel and everyone on here was saying, o it shouldnt have been called cause it decided the game and Lebron is a superstar and should get some calls. I just dont understand how ppl should say fouls shouldnt be called late in the game, if anything they should be, i would be pissed if i got booted from the playoffs on a play when the other player clearly fouled. I can understand not calling a foul if is a ticky tacky type foul or if it looks like like both player had part in it. I just think this is the reason why the nba reffing is rediculous, if its a foul at the start of the game, then its a foul at the end of the game.
no you are right a foul is a foul but its just the way it is sometimes....like there is no way in hell the refs would have blown the whistle on the last play of jordans career (forget washington) to make the shot and win the championship? it would have been a stupid call. It wasnt a lot of contact on a drive to the basket or anything, Jordan DID make a nice move and that shot is money all game, so I can see why they wouldnt call a little push on Russell when he was already going in that direction anyways...
ya, i just hate when ppl say that fouls shouldnt be called. Then they go and bitch about the refs every day.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
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^your one to use the "you have no argument" lmao.
at least twice every thread somebody throws a fact or something at you & you just reply "you fucking moron, shutup!" :laugh:
i can break down anything for you...is there something in specific you need broken down? LOL
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
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To say Jordan was dickrode by the league and was the Golden Child is a load of crap!!
LMFAO! ahahahahahahaha....anyone else wanna carry on after what he just said?
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^I think he was dick rode by the refs eventually. That push off on Bryon Russell was still a foul lol
thats just a call that shouldnt be made to decide a championship tho...and many players would have got the same "No-call" including Kobe, LeBron, Wade ect....the refs dont want to blow the whistle when the games on the line unless they absolutley have to...
what the hell's your point? do you realize what a fool you're making out of yourself? it was widely accepted that Jordan got special treatment from the NBA. NO ONE ARGUES THIS, quit making yourself look foolish, bro...even in the olympics, Magic poked fun of it by saying he couldn't be in the same picture with Jordan without getting called for a foul...arguing this makes you look illogical, man. LOL.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
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Nike makes people legends, it's the truth. ;) 8)
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Nike makes people legends, it's the truth. ;) 8)
you cant make someone a legend, but you can make them a pop culture icon if they're good enough at what they do. :-*
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
The fact of the matter is, Kobe is a bigger name, regardless. I really think there's more chance of an old lady at a supermarket recognizing the name Kobe over Peyton. LOL. whatever, though...there's no changing your opinion. I just honestly think you underestimate the influence media and marketing has on your average consumer...PeACe
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
The fact of the matter is, Kobe is a bigger name, regardless. I really think there's more chance of an old lady at a supermarket recognizing the name Kobe over Peyton. LOL. whatever, though...there's no changing your opinion. I just honestly think you underestimate the influence media and marketing has on your average consumer...PeACe
Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
The fact of the matter is, Kobe is a bigger name, regardless. I really think there's more chance of an old lady at a supermarket recognizing the name Kobe over Peyton. LOL. whatever, though...there's no changing your opinion. I just honestly think you underestimate the influence media and marketing has on your average consumer...PeACe
Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd just leave him, talking sense to NIK is pointless. And I would agree with you, in MN, there are some many places that either don't know, or don't care about the name Kobe Bryant. They might care about Kevin Garnett, but they don't know Kobe. And my grandma knew Shaq, never Kobe.
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
The fact of the matter is, Kobe is a bigger name, regardless. I really think there's more chance of an old lady at a supermarket recognizing the name Kobe over Peyton. LOL. whatever, though...there's no changing your opinion. I just honestly think you underestimate the influence media and marketing has on your average consumer...PeACe
Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd just leave him, talking sense to NIK is pointless. And I would agree with you, in MN, there are some many places that either don't know, or don't care about the name Kobe Bryant. They might care about Kevin Garnett, but they don't know Kobe. And my grandma knew Shaq, never Kobe.
talking sense? it's an OPINION, smart guy. LOL. and it's hard for me to believe that "many places" don't know the name Kobe...and don't bring up your non-english speakin grandma. the only reason she heard the name Shaq is because you probably used to talk about him all the damn time when he was your idol...walkin around the house in his jersey and shit. :D
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
riggghhhht....i bring players down to Kobe's level. ::)
Nobody needs to be brought down to Kobe's level...Kobe is high enough as it is, and after we win the championship, he will be on the highest level possible. suck a fatty. 8)
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
riggghhhht....i bring players down to Kobe's level. ::)
Nobody needs to be brought down to Kobe's level...Kobe is high enough as it is, and after we win the championship, he will be on the highest level possible. suck a fatty. 8)
Nah he still needs 4 more championships and 6 MVP's to be at the highest level possible.
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
riggghhhht....i bring players down to Kobe's level. ::)
Nobody needs to be brought down to Kobe's level...Kobe is high enough as it is, and after we win the championship, he will be on the highest level possible. suck a fatty. 8)
Nah he still needs 4 more championships and 6 MVP's to be at the highest level possible.
so according to you, Jordan wasn't at the highest level possible...LOL...good one.
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
riggghhhht....i bring players down to Kobe's level. ::)
Nobody needs to be brought down to Kobe's level...Kobe is high enough as it is, and after we win the championship, he will be on the highest level possible. suck a fatty. 8)
Nah he still needs 4 more championships and 6 MVP's to be at the highest level possible.
so according to you, Jordan wasn't at the highest level possible...LOL...good one.
So you think Kobe w/ 4 ships and 1 MVP is the highest level possible? You're one low expectation having motherfucker.
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But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it.
what a fucking JOKE!!! you cant be serious :-X :-X
and he calls other people haters lol
how am I a hater? because I believe Jordan didn't have a charm any more special than LeBron's or Kobe's? because I understand that marketing has a lot more to do with how an individual is viewed than who the person actually is? how? please elaborate. LOL
Because you attempt to bring every player that is more loved and respected then Kobe, down to his level lol. You dont understand shit, you make shit up to make yourself feel better about your mancrush. If Kobe was a more respected player then Jordan, LeBron, etc...etc...etc, there is absolutely NO way you would claim it was because of the marketing. Youre so biased, that youre see through. You know why I argue with you so much man? Because I know that the more you argue, the more ridiculous you look.
riggghhhht....i bring players down to Kobe's level. ::)
Nobody needs to be brought down to Kobe's level...Kobe is high enough as it is, and after we win the championship, he will be on the highest level possible. suck a fatty. 8)
Nah he still needs 4 more championships and 6 MVP's to be at the highest level possible.
so according to you, Jordan wasn't at the highest level possible...LOL...good one.
So you think Kobe w/ 4 ships and 1 MVP is the highest level possible? You're one low expectation having motherfucker.
no...being the best player in the game and a current champion takes you to the highest level possible. you're an illogical motherfucker if you don't get that.
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Is Kobe a "current" champion?
Anyway, if ya'll know your history, you all know the league certainly didn't like Jordan early, nor did the players. He was froze out at the all-star game, fined many times, etc, etc. BUT, he was the most exciting player in the league, and once he began to win, it was a wrap. It was NIKE who helped him become who he was, and the league just rode that after. Everyone knows that
Anyway, with all the name-calling and people calling others stupid and "ignorant muthafuckas" when they don't agree with something, don't you think the mod should lock this? WHo is the mod anyway?
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The media simply cannot create a star the level of Jordan, and they cannot create it with Kobe either. If they could, they would. I don't care what endorsements Kobe lost after the scandal. All of them combined weren't worth as much as one Air Jordan commercial.
The media can create Ashton Kutcher. They can't create Jim Carrey. You're either a garaunteed 100 million dollars or you are not.
kobe is a global icon as it is...already one of the most popular figures in the world...i really dont see anything that would stop him from being Jordan status with that same push Jordan received.
I don't see why the NBA, Nike, NBC, etc, wouldn't push him like Jordan if he was the icon he is. it's a conspiracy to make him less popular than Jordan? They don't want to make more money. He just isn't as likable. There is a whiny bitch in him that resonates and people see that. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are both bigger stars than Kobe and neither of them are anywhere near Jordan in terms of popularity. The reality is that when Jordan was on top NBA Finals were doing NFL Playoffs TV numbers and topping out with almost a 20.0 rating while Kobe and the Lakers vs The Celtics couldn't even average a 10.0 rating. Jordan doubled the guy in the ratings.
Larry Bird had everything you needed to make a megastar. He was arguably the best guy playing. He was white. A good ol boy. But he didn't have the x factor like Jordan and that's why he never reached the same popularity. You say global icon about Kobe like he's Muhammed Ali. He may not be Ashton Kutcher, but he's not Jim Carrey. Adam Sandler at best.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are bigger stars than Kobe? are you joking? LMAOOO. come on, Shallow. you're not an ignorant poster, so don't make ignorant claims. The reason NBA, Nike, ABC, etc doesn't give Kobe the same push is because they're making more money nowadays than they were in the Jordan era by promoting various NBA superstars as opposed to just one. I already explained this many, MANY times. If Kobe were to be given even half the promotion that a LeBron gets, his image would SKYROCKET..But Kobe sells himself, he doesnt need that push. He plays in the biggest market and he's beloved in LA regardless. the NBA realizes that Kobe is a cash cow, even without promotion, so they choose to push LeBron to create another cash cow alongside Kobe...this also makes for better rivalries (ala the Kobe-LeBron puppet commercials) and more interesting story-lines....I dunno why this is so hard to see? Face it, Jordan didn't have a "special charm" that no one else had. What he had was extreme promotion and dickriding by the media and the league...he was the NBA's golden child, and that's all there is to it. He came in at a perfect time and played great basketball. Jordan was just as much a "asshole" as Kobe, if not more. the NBA just had a really good way of masking it for the benefit of the league...PeACe
What are the TV ratings when Manning plays Brady in prime time? Oh, yeah their worst prime time rating in the regular season has a higher rating than any NBA game Kobe has ever played in, period. Yeah, so I say they are both bigger stars than Kobe. Both SNL hosts. Both on commercials and/or major media stories. Leave LA once in a while and walk around cities and towns in the country and just say "Brady or Manning?". You are going to get a lot more reactions and heated debates then you'll ever get from "Kobe or Jordan?" or "Kobe or Shaq?". The USA is a white country and white people like football more than basketball so the biggest stars in football will almost always be bigger than the biggest stars in basketball. Jordan is the one and only exception.
Ok? so football is a bigger sport in America than basketball...what's your point? Kobe, like Jordan, is bigger than the sport itself...walk down the street and ask random people if they know who Kobe is. who the hell wont know who you're talking about? not a single person. now walk down the street and ask people who Tom Brady is...I guarantee you that you'll find at least a few people asking "Tom who?"...and not just in America, Kobe is a global icon. go to Europe and try seeing if anyone recognizes the name Tom Brady. LOL. seriously, it's funny that I'd even have to argue this. Kobe is the much bigger name, end of story.
Fuck worldwide. We're talking domestic market. If you want to talk world wide then there are probably atleast 25 soccer players you couldn't even recognize ten times bigger than Kobe will ever. Shit, David Beckham has shrines in India. Kobe is not bigger than the sport. He's just the biggest name with in the sport. Seriously, leave LA and you'll see. Go to Bitters, Arkansas and every other town like it. The majority of the US is suburbs, not major cities. 300 million people. US, NY, Chicago, and Houston are the four biggest and they don't even total one tenth of the population combined.
If you go to a supermarket and ask a bunch of old ladies who Peyton Manning is they won't know, but they sure as fuck won't know Kobe either. Babe Ruth was bigger than the sport. They had a fucking popcorn film on his life 50 years after he died. Kobe will be lucky to get an HBO telefilm about his affair.
The fact of the matter is, Kobe is a bigger name, regardless. I really think there's more chance of an old lady at a supermarket recognizing the name Kobe over Peyton. LOL. whatever, though...there's no changing your opinion. I just honestly think you underestimate the influence media and marketing has on your average consumer...PeACe
Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd just leave him, talking sense to NIK is pointless. And I would agree with you, in MN, there are some many places that either don't know, or don't care about the name Kobe Bryant. They might care about Kevin Garnett, but they don't know Kobe. And my grandma knew Shaq, never Kobe.
talking sense? it's an OPINION, smart guy. LOL. and it's hard for me to believe that "many places" don't know the name Kobe...and don't bring up your non-english speakin grandma. the only reason she heard the name Shaq is because you probably used to talk about him all the damn time when he was your idol...walkin around the house in his jersey and shit. :D
I believe "many" no problem. Most would be something you'd have to show stats for but many isn't hard to reach. There were a couple people on the Michael Jackson jury that had never heard of him. Michael fucking Jackson and randomly selected people had no clue. For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
what laker fans do i argue with "regularly"?...LOL. stop reachin when u have nothin 2 say.
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
what laker fans do i argue with "regularly"?...LOL. stop reachin when u have nothin 2 say.
Everybody sees it, except you. The Laker fans on here who are real fans, are the ones youve argued with lol. M-Dogg, Jake, el creepo, etc. All those guys cus they hold their team accountable when they fuck up....rather then just keep suckin Kobe's dick no matter what happens. They see u as a joke to, i guarantee you. They are just fans of the same team as you, but arent cheerleaders like you.
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u guys need to stop bitchin like a bunch of fuckin girls already.
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
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I don't give a shit who the "biggest athlete" in the world is, but I GUARANTEE you no one comes close to DAVID BECKHAM.
I took a year off, traveled through the South Pacific, Asia, Africa, Middle East, Europe. EVERYONE knows Beckham. In a jungle in the middle of Laos where they don't have access to clean water or electricity, they were all pointing at me and saying "Beckham Beckham" because I had the "faux-hawk" that he used to have.
It is BIZARRE how truly reknowned and popular Beckham is, and NO ONE comes close that is still active today
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
what laker fans do i argue with "regularly"?...LOL. stop reachin when u have nothin 2 say.
Everybody sees it, except you. The Laker fans on here who are real fans, are the ones youve argued with lol. M-Dogg, Jake, el creepo, etc. All those guys cus they hold their team accountable when they fuck up....rather then just keep suckin Kobe's dick no matter what happens. They see u as a joke to, i guarantee you. They are just fans of the same team as you, but arent cheerleaders like you.
wtf are you talkin about? do you even TRY to stay real with what you say?? LOL i talk to Jake about Lakers outside this board all the time and he knows whatsup...Mdogg has acknowldged me as a die hard fan many times in the past...el creepo aka west coast was one of those dudes who never liked me as a person (stemming from the G-Spot), but even he knows that I know my shit. LOL....you're talkin 2 the biggest Laker fan on this board, you douche. maybe try being accurate with your claims? thanks.
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
Prime for prime I mean. Kobe is at his peak right about now. In 1983/84 MJ was at least 100 times bigger than Kobe is now.
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
what laker fans do i argue with "regularly"?...LOL. stop reachin when u have nothin 2 say.
Everybody sees it, except you. The Laker fans on here who are real fans, are the ones youve argued with lol. M-Dogg, Jake, el creepo, etc. All those guys cus they hold their team accountable when they fuck up....rather then just keep suckin Kobe's dick no matter what happens. They see u as a joke to, i guarantee you. They are just fans of the same team as you, but arent cheerleaders like you.
wtf are you talkin about? do you even TRY to stay real with what you say?? LOL i talk to Jake about Lakers outside this board all the time and he knows whatsup...Mdogg has acknowldged me as a die hard fan many times in the past...el creepo aka west coast was one of those dudes who never liked me as a person (stemming from the G-Spot), but even he knows that I know my shit. LOL....you're talkin 2 the biggest Laker fan on this board, you douche. maybe try being accurate with your claims? thanks.
talking about the Lakers the most, doesnt make you the biggest fan dummy lol. And being a delusional cheerleader, DEFINETELY doesnt. All those guys are bigger Laker fans then you, because from Ive seen so far, theyre actually fans. What doesnt your little brain understand about the difference between a fan and a cheerleader (you)? I know youre just some idiot kid who still thinks its cool to go to raves and brag about your drug use (welcome to high school) lol. But thats no excuse to not understand what Im saying. Your brain isnt THAT fried yet.
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You know what I find funny, NIK is the ONLY "Laker fan" (its in quotes for a reason) on the forum that other Laker fans regularly argue with lol. Doesnt it show who is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to Laker fans on the board?
what laker fans do i argue with "regularly"?...LOL. stop reachin when u have nothin 2 say.
Everybody sees it, except you. The Laker fans on here who are real fans, are the ones youve argued with lol. M-Dogg, Jake, el creepo, etc. All those guys cus they hold their team accountable when they fuck up....rather then just keep suckin Kobe's dick no matter what happens. They see u as a joke to, i guarantee you. They are just fans of the same team as you, but arent cheerleaders like you.
wtf are you talkin about? do you even TRY to stay real with what you say?? LOL i talk to Jake about Lakers outside this board all the time and he knows whatsup...Mdogg has acknowldged me as a die hard fan many times in the past...el creepo aka west coast was one of those dudes who never liked me as a person (stemming from the G-Spot), but even he knows that I know my shit. LOL....you're talkin 2 the biggest Laker fan on this board, you douche. maybe try being accurate with your claims? thanks.
talking about the Lakers the most, doesnt make you the biggest fan dummy lol. And being a delusional cheerleader, DEFINETELY doesnt. All those guys are bigger Laker fans then you, because from Ive seen so far, theyre actually fans. What doesnt your little brain understand about the difference between a fan and a cheerleader (you)? I know youre just some idiot kid who still thinks its cool to go to raves and brag about your drug use (welcome to high school) lol. But thats no excuse to not understand what Im saying. Your brain isnt THAT fried yet.
it's clear that when you have a personal grudge against me, son. cut it out, cuz it's making you look like a real female. try discussing topics instead of discussing the people discussing the topics. LOL.
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
Prime for prime I mean. Kobe is at his peak right about now. In 1983/84 MJ was at least 100 times bigger than Kobe is now.
alright...that sounds a lot more reasonable. LOL. but in all honesty, Kobe is as big a name as there is in American sports today, and that's with very little backing...PeACe
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
Prime for prime I mean. Kobe is at his peak right about now. In 1983/84 MJ was at least 100 times bigger than Kobe is now.
yeah u cant compare a MUSICIAN "the King of pop" who EVERYONE KNEW to Kobe Bryant the NBA's best player. Everybody knows music and Michael Jackson Not everyone knows kobe, unfair comparison
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
Prime for prime I mean. Kobe is at his peak right about now. In 1983/84 MJ was at least 100 times bigger than Kobe is now.
alright...that sounds a lot more reasonable. LOL. but in all honesty, Kobe is as big a name as there is in American sports today, and that's with very little backing...PeACe
I can agree with that, but Sports in general is at a time when they're really aren't those big personailties and big names. In the late 80s and early 90s Jordan, Gretzky, and Bo Jackson were so big it warranted a cartoon about them as super heroes. You could never pitch a cartoon starring Kobe, Crosby, LaDanian or whoever to any network and expect a green light.
MoSav - I'm trying to say that Kobe isn't as big as Michael Jackson was therefore...
MJ was only brought up in an example to show that there are many people in the US that don't know who Kobe Bryant is. Who the fuck has never heard of Michael Jackson? Believe it or not there are people that haven't. So if there are people that have never heard of MJ then how many do you think have never heard of Kobe who isn't even in the same stratosphere?
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For every 1 person in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson there's probably 100 that don't know Kobe.
and then you say you're not pushin it? LOL
Huh? I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or are you saying Kobe is just as big as Michael Jackson? Because if it's the latter then I might as well say Kobe is bigger than Jesus because that may be the only one you won't argue with. If you do indded think the name Kobe is as popular as Jesus then please tell me because knowing that would save me a lot of time never entering a discussion with you again.
Kobe is not as big as Michael Jackson, no doubt...but if you're tryna claim the Michael Jackson, in this day and age, is 100 times bigger, then that's just absurd.
Prime for prime I mean. Kobe is at his peak right about now. In 1983/84 MJ was at least 100 times bigger than Kobe is now.
alright...that sounds a lot more reasonable. LOL. but in all honesty, Kobe is as big a name as there is in American sports today, and that's with very little backing...PeACe
I can agree with that, but Sports in general is at a time when they're really aren't those big personailties and big names. In the late 80s and early 90s Jordan, Gretzky, and Bo Jackson were so big it warranted a cartoon about them as super heroes. You could never pitch a cartoon starring Kobe, Crosby, LaDanian or whoever to any network and expect a green light.
MoSav - I'm trying to say that Kobe isn't as big as Michael Jackson was therefore...
MJ was only brought up in an example to show that there are many people in the US that don't know who Kobe Bryant is. Who the fuck has never heard of Michael Jackson? Believe it or not there are people that haven't. So if there are people that have never heard of MJ then how many do you think have never heard of Kobe who isn't even in the same stratosphere?
I get what you're saying, but I still dont think Jordan had anything Kobe doesn't...I say it's just the way he was marketed, the way a majority of the marketing was focused on him, largely due to the fact that he came in when marketing in sports was so raw...it has a lot to do with it, you must at least be able to admit that...PeACe
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
I mean those factors added to it. A shitty player is a shitty player. The best is the best. Having everything else just added to it. Even the fact that he was sold as a handsome man in a suit. If he was ugly it wouldn't have worked the same. Ruth was sold a lovable Teddy Bear being the best and it worked for him. DiMaggio was sold a playboy and that worked for him. A full head of hair and no tongue wouldn't been ruined Jordan. It just helped make him even bigger by making him recognizable.
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
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Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
I mean those factors added to it. A shitty player is a shitty player. The best is the best. Having everything else just added to it. Even the fact that he was sold as a handsome man in a suit. If he was ugly it wouldn't have worked the same. Ruth was sold a lovable Teddy Bear being the best and it worked for him. DiMaggio was sold a playboy and that worked for him. A full head of hair and no tongue wouldn't been ruined Jordan. It just helped make him even bigger by making him recognizable.
but I think he coulda popularized an afro and showing of the teeth after every time he scores just as much had he been marketed the same with the same style of play...u feel what im gettin at?
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
who said it was inside info? it's just obvious that MJ was protected by the league in that day and age, unlike Kobe of today...as a matter of fact, i dont really know of any other player who was protected by his league as much as MJ was. how u fail to acknowledge the fact that this was a major factor in his popularity is mind-boggling.
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
who said it was inside info? it's just obvious that MJ was protected by the league in that day and age, unlike Kobe of today...as a matter of fact, i dont really know of any other player who was protected by his league as much as MJ was. how u fail to acknowledge the fact that this was a major factor in his popularity is mind-boggling.
Hey NIK, larn to read man. I didn't not acknowledge it, I even agreed with you.
I was commenting on you saying if "only you knew" about me, as if I couldn't figure it out, or that only you could know of this dveious plot by the league....
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
who said it was inside info? it's just obvious that MJ was protected by the league in that day and age, unlike Kobe of today...as a matter of fact, i dont really know of any other player who was protected by his league as much as MJ was. how u fail to acknowledge the fact that this was a major factor in his popularity is mind-boggling.
Hey NIK, larn to read man. I didn't not acknowledge it, I even agreed with you.
I was commenting on you saying if "only you knew" about me, as if I couldn't figure it out, or that only you could know of this dveious plot by the league....
well...you obviously didnt list it in the reasons for why jordan was as popular as he was, did you? LOL
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Do ya'll really care how
"popular" someone is anyway? Its like some junior high type shit.
Bottom line- highest scoring average in history, 6 finals MVP's with no go to big man, 5 regular season MVp's, countless records which todays players won't catch, etc, is all that really matters
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Do ya'll really care how
"popular" someone is anyway? Its like some junior high type shit.
Bottom line- highest scoring average in history, 6 finals MVP's with no go to big man, 5 regular season MVp's, countless records which todays players won't catch, etc, is all that really matters
the topic was popularity, though... asking if someone cares about that is really dumb when thats the topic at hand. LOL
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Do ya'll really care how
"popular" someone is anyway? Its like some junior high type shit.
Bottom line- highest scoring average in history, 6 finals MVP's with no go to big man, 5 regular season MVp's, countless records which todays players won't catch, etc, is all that really matters
the topic was popularity, though... asking if someone cares about that is really dumb when thats the topic at hand. LOL
actually NO, that isn't the topic of this thread. WRONG
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
who said it was inside info? it's just obvious that MJ was protected by the league in that day and age, unlike Kobe of today...as a matter of fact, i dont really know of any other player who was protected by his league as much as MJ was. how u fail to acknowledge the fact that this was a major factor in his popularity is mind-boggling.
Hey NIK, larn to read man. I didn't not acknowledge it, I even agreed with you.
I was commenting on you saying if "only you knew" about me, as if I couldn't figure it out, or that only you could know of this dveious plot by the league....
LOL@ LARN.. How you going to tell somebody "Larn how to read" When you should LARN how to spell. LOL
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Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ THE NBA keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
LOL
if only u knew how much the league sucked MJ's dick in order for him to gain that image.
The league had everything tro gain of MJ kept hsi mainly wholesome image, so why wouldn't they protect him?
The bigger question is why the fuck do you think you have all this inside information on the refs, the league, the media, etc? Its comical, and getting redundant (look it up)
who said it was inside info? it's just obvious that MJ was protected by the league in that day and age, unlike Kobe of today...as a matter of fact, i dont really know of any other player who was protected by his league as much as MJ was. how u fail to acknowledge the fact that this was a major factor in his popularity is mind-boggling.
Hey NIK, larn to read man. I didn't not acknowledge it, I even agreed with you.
I was commenting on you saying if "only you knew" about me, as if I couldn't figure it out, or that only you could know of this dveious plot by the league....
LOL@ LARN.. How you going to tell somebody "Larn how to read" When you should LARN how to spell. LOL
Keyboard is fucked up....keeps scrolling up when I am typing, hence the spelling error. :)
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haha just giving u a hard time
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Do ya'll really care how
"popular" someone is anyway? Its like some junior high type shit.
Bottom line- highest scoring average in history, 6 finals MVP's with no go to big man, 5 regular season MVp's, countless records which todays players won't catch, etc, is all that really matters
the topic was popularity, though... asking if someone cares about that is really dumb when thats the topic at hand. LOL
actually NO, that isn't the topic of this thread. WRONG
not the thread topic, the topic of discussion. LOL
who care? Lakers=2009 champs...the beginning of a new dynasty. so whats really good? 8)