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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: teecee on June 10, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9665912/Kobe-doesn't-pull-off-late-game-heroics-this-time
Even Kobe can't do it every time; Lebron did some amazing things last series (last second shot, 2 free throws with no time left to tie), but got shitted on by Lakers fans for the times when he wasn't clutch.
I think the thing is, we can't expect these guys to be great in crunch time every time. I'm sure Kobe will be better next game in the clutch
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*waits for thread to turn into a Kobe vs LeBron thread*
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"Kobe's reputation as a "killer" at the end of games remains overblown. The site www.82games.com just posted a study of game-winning shots/situations from the last five-plus seasons (regular seasons and playoffs since the 2003-04 season) that revealed Kobe was shooting 14-for-56 (25 percent) with one assist and five turnovers, and made 12 of 15 free throws. So let's say that was 70 possessions total, including Sunday night. ... He only had one assist in nearly six years??? That's why Orlando quadruple-teamed him in that spot. Kobe is a phenomenal streak shooter, and he has a real talent for catching fire with a lead and closing games out ... but you can stop him in one-shot situations simply because he's his own worst enemy. He wants to be a hero, he's shooting it, and that's that."
Still, the media and fans only focus on the made ones. The great ones are usually afforded that- MJ, he missed many (but made more than anyone ever too) but you don't hear about the misses.
Even with all of the above, I still feel Kobe will make it in the clutch, and am surprised when he doesn't....why is that?
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*waits for thread to turn into a Kobe vs LeBron thread*
It most likely will. In fact, it definitely will. Leaving Lebron out of it though, is Kobe as good in the clutch as everyone in the media or Lakers fans seem to think?
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yea ^ i know but my bad, lebron is not a good finisher and what he made his 2nd buzzer beating shot of his career? cmon man when kobe was younger than lebron he was hittin those in his sleep.
kobe late game herorics> lebron late game heroics
because kobe actually wins games
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holy fuck, was this thread even necessary. We all watched the game. This sports section is a war between fanboys n little girls.
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yea ^ i know but my bad, lebron is not a good finisher and what he made his 2nd buzzer beating shot of his career? cmon man when kobe was younger than lebron he was hittin those in his sleep.
kobe late game herorics> lebron late game heroics
because kobe actually wins games
here we go :-[ :-\ get the fuck outa here....AGAIN!?
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i think we need to lock this thread before the usual shit goes down lol.
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"Kobe's reputation as a "killer" at the end of games remains overblown. The site www.82games.com just posted a study of game-winning shots/situations from the last five-plus seasons (regular seasons and playoffs since the 2003-04 season) that revealed Kobe was shooting 14-for-56 (25 percent) with one assist and five turnovers, and made 12 of 15 free throws. So let's say that was 70 possessions total, including Sunday night. ... He only had one assist in nearly six years??? That's why Orlando quadruple-teamed him in that spot. Kobe is a phenomenal streak shooter, and he has a real talent for catching fire with a lead and closing games out ... but you can stop him in one-shot situations simply because he's his own worst enemy. He wants to be a hero, he's shooting it, and that's that."
If that stat is legit, then you can't really argue that Kobe is clutch. 45% in the regular season season shooting percentage during that time but in those situations he shoots only 25%? Looks like more of a choke artist to me.
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holy fuck, was this thread even necessary. We all watched the game. This sports section is a war between fanboys n little girls.
Sure. Its a new article, and it provides some further insight into the legendary closer that is Kobe.
But as I said, I think he will be much better next game. But maybe he isn't god like some of ya'll think?
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
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He gassed out. That shit wont happen again. Even Mariano would blow a save here and there
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
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Well, actually he had a great OT. He hit the first 2 shots, set a tempo and got doubled team, which allowed him to pass to Fisher for the knock out 3. To me, Kobe redeemed himself in OT, and that last three from Fish was a Kobe assist. So all UFC references aside... lol... Kobe was clutch with that pass.
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http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
Are you watching this page too?
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Well, actually he had a great OT. He hit the first 2 shots, set a tempo and got doubled team, which allowed him to pass to Fisher for the knock out 3. To me, Kobe redeemed himself in OT, and that last three from Fish was a Kobe assist. So all UFC references aside... lol... Kobe was clutch with that pass.
I think it was great to see Kobe dish out to Fisher....too often he is his own worst enemy. BUt yeah, nice elbow! Nah though, he wasn't at all GREAT in overtime, but his overtime was much better then the 4th.
The Lakers, as I have been saying all year, are DEEP and have the best team in the league. You Lakers fans must be pumped about Ariza, been great i n the plaoyffs
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Well, actually he had a great OT. He hit the first 2 shots, set a tempo and got doubled team, which allowed him to pass to Fisher for the knock out 3. To me, Kobe redeemed himself in OT, and that last three from Fish was a Kobe assist. So all UFC references aside... lol... Kobe was clutch with that pass.
I think it was great to see Kobe dish out to Fisher....too often he is his own worst enemy. BUt yeah, nice elbow! Nah though, he wasn't at all GREAT in overtime, but his overtime was much better then the 4th.
The Lakers, as I have been saying all year, are DEEP and have the best team in the league. You Lakers fans must be pumped about Ariza, been great i n the plaoyffs
I was saying it out loud last night, FINALLY WE FOUND A PLAYER READY TO STEP UP. Arzia must be signed, I think his slightly more important than Odom, though when Odom is on we always win, Ariza is more consistent.
Nah, and Kobe was taking what Orlando was giving him in OT, which after 2 quick baskets was nothing. Orlando was not going to let Kobe beat them, the Lakers had to find another hero, and that was Fish. Kobe has the players, Gasol had a great game last night, Fish had a great game, and Ariza had a great game. Honestly, Kobe didn't look as gassed as game 3, game 3 Kobe looked tired as hell. But his not had a break since the beginning of last year and it's FINALLY starting to show at the worst time. But that's why you have a team, and the Lakers as a team are winning this series. Kobe got them game one and two, now the rest of the team has to step up, and they are, Ariza, Gasol, Fisher, now I hope Lamar shows up too, though that foul trouble is a bitch for the big men.
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it's over.
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Well, actually he had a great OT. He hit the first 2 shots, set a tempo and got doubled team, which allowed him to pass to Fisher for the knock out 3. To me, Kobe redeemed himself in OT, and that last three from Fish was a Kobe assist. So all UFC references aside... lol... Kobe was clutch with that pass.
But you see what I am saying- thats not a GREAT OT, and it certainly wasn't a good 4th either. He has a real TEAM behind him when he can't take over..........
They are gonna win in 6, and Kobe will finally get an MVP in the finals
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it's over.
Definetely. Orlando came out like a joke in this finals. What a rip off lol Credit to the Lakers though, they played well enough to win it.
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How did the magic play like a joke??? other than the first game all the games have been close and exciting. When the lakers lose its cus the magic beat them, when the Lakers win its cause the magic beat themselves, i dont get it.
I dont really care tho, we are up 3-1 and have played good hard basketball and the games have all been close and exciting with the exception of that first game.
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and no kobe didnt play great in the end of the last game but 3 outta the last four possessions in regulation were what i thot were most important. First when they were down by 5 he took it up the floor into the paint and passed it off for Gasol to get the easy dunk, then went down n fouled Howard and didnt allow him to get the shot up. Then took the double and threw it up to ariza which led to Fishers game tieing 3. No he didnt play great but he did the right thing down the stretch i thot.
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Black mamba??? more like a garden snake
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How did the magic play like a joke??? other than the first game all the games have been close and exciting. When the lakers lose its cus the magic beat them, when the Lakers win its cause the magic beat themselves, i dont get it.
I dont really care tho, we are up 3-1 and have played good hard basketball and the games have all been close and exciting with the exception of that first game.
Dude, the Magic played nowhere NEAR as well as they have been (other then one game), you cant deny that. Im not takin anything away from the Lakers though. They out played everybody they ran into. The Magic just looked like they were happy to be there, the Lakers seemed more focused then them (and the Lakers have looked unfocused alot during this playoff run)
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LOL@ all these kobe haters..
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I think the finals has the two best teams in basketball, period. Sure, the Magic got shitted on in game 1, but games 2 and 4 could have easily went the Magic's way. The Lakers are just the better team, have played better in the most important minutes, and deserve the lead.
But on the real, what if Lee makes that lay-up in game 2 to win it. Lake show got lucky there
The series may be 3-1, but I don't know why peeps are acting like its been all Lakers.
Still, the Lakers likely win game 5, if not for sure game 6. I can't see the Magic coming back after that heartbreaking game 6 loss.
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
no need to do that, we'll see the Celtics in the finals next year, 'cause no one is denying KG from returning to the finals, and King James doesn't have the team to be Boston at all. Lakers will return to the finals, unless Denver pulls a HUGE move, so I expect to see Lakers/Celtics for the 12th time in NBA history, and expect that to be way better than last year.
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
no need to do that, we'll see the Celtics in the finals next year, 'cause no one is denying KG from returning to the finals, and King James doesn't have the team to be Boston at all. Lakers will return to the finals, unless Denver pulls a HUGE move, so I expect to see Lakers/Celtics for the 12th time in NBA history, and expect that to be way better than last year.
Next year is a new year, and there should be plenty of moves in the offseason. No telling what happens.
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The first half looked like they were playing the first game of the season. That Christmas game with Boston shits on all the final games so far when it comes to the "seriousness" of the game. It's a boring finale imo, yes the results may have been close and we had 2 OT's but to me it looks like every time the Lakers want to score, they score. Orlando on the other hand look unexperienced, so many turnovers, not to mention that Howard is laughing all the time. Like they're happy just to be in the finals.
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
no need to do that, we'll see the Celtics in the finals next year, 'cause no one is denying KG from returning to the finals, and King James doesn't have the team to be Boston at all. Lakers will return to the finals, unless Denver pulls a HUGE move, so I expect to see Lakers/Celtics for the 12th time in NBA history, and expect that to be way better than last year.
Next year is a new year, and there should be plenty of moves in the offseason. No telling what happens.
most teams are afraid to spend money because of the economy. Rumor is that teams are getting money for the NBA to stay afloat. David Stern isn't commenting on it, but knows that currently the state of the NBA is in a critical time. Of course the NBA will get through it, but we might see a couple of year were the rich (Lakers, Celtics) get richer, and the poor break up. Most expect this Magic team to break up this year because of the money people are asking.
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
i'm really not trying to turn this into Kobe vs LeBron, but can you honestly say that Bron doesn't do the exact same with, drawing attention & gets players open looks?
he does that and manages to score more points, average more assits, win more games (regular season) & does it all with a weaker cast.
i don't how you shit on him all the time, i may never understand lol.
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
i'm really not trying to turn this into Kobe vs LeBron, but can you honestly say that Bron doesn't do the exact same with, drawing attention & gets players open looks?
he does that and manages to score more points, average more assits, win more games (regular season) & does it all with a weaker cast.
i don't how you shit on him all the time, i may never understand lol.
Of course LeBron draws double teams...but he's not as good a player as Kobe is. That's all there is to it. Same goes for Melo, Wade, etc. etc.
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
no need to do that, we'll see the Celtics in the finals next year, 'cause no one is denying KG from returning to the finals, and King James doesn't have the team to be Boston at all. Lakers will return to the finals, unless Denver pulls a HUGE move, so I expect to see Lakers/Celtics for the 12th time in NBA history, and expect that to be way better than last year.
Next year is a new year, and there should be plenty of moves in the offseason. No telling what happens.
most teams are afraid to spend money because of the economy. Rumor is that teams are getting money for the NBA to stay afloat. David Stern isn't commenting on it, but knows that currently the state of the NBA is in a critical time. Of course the NBA will get through it, but we might see a couple of year were the rich (Lakers, Celtics) get richer, and the poor break up. Most expect this Magic team to break up this year because of the money people are asking.
Arent u guys losing either Trevor or Lamar? Not to mention, teams being afraid to spend money will really only effect the amount of money free agents make. Not whether they become free agents. The rich/ poor thing matters, but it isnt baseball..there is still a salary cap.
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i dont think nebody doubted the Magic have played well, but there down 3-1 for a reason
Its cliche, but experience is huge. The Lakers were there last year, and it DOES make a difference. Not to mention, the Lakers obviously want it more. The Lakers look like their goal is to win a championship, the Magic look like their goal is to have fun. Both great goals, but only one results in a title. The Magic arent bad at all, but I think you will see Laker fans make the Magic out to be the Celtics from last year...to make this finals victory seem epic lol
no need to do that, we'll see the Celtics in the finals next year, 'cause no one is denying KG from returning to the finals, and King James doesn't have the team to be Boston at all. Lakers will return to the finals, unless Denver pulls a HUGE move, so I expect to see Lakers/Celtics for the 12th time in NBA history, and expect that to be way better than last year.
Next year is a new year, and there should be plenty of moves in the offseason. No telling what happens.
most teams are afraid to spend money because of the economy. Rumor is that teams are getting money for the NBA to stay afloat. David Stern isn't commenting on it, but knows that currently the state of the NBA is in a critical time. Of course the NBA will get through it, but we might see a couple of year were the rich (Lakers, Celtics) get richer, and the poor break up. Most expect this Magic team to break up this year because of the money people are asking.
Arent u guys losing either Trevor or Lamar? Not to mention, teams being afraid to spend money will really only effect the amount of money free agents make. Not whether they become free agents. The rich/ poor thing matters, but it isnt baseball..there is still a salary cap.
no w're not, we traded vladdy raddy to keep both ariza and odom. i know we didnt trade one of our best 3 point shooters for nothing. i know for damn sure morrisions gone and his contract is ridiculous. id like to keep shannon brown and th rest of the roster, but mayb replace mbenga with a trure center
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How did the magic play like a joke??? other than the first game all the games have been close and exciting. When the lakers lose its cus the magic beat them, when the Lakers win its cause the magic beat themselves, i dont get it.
I dont really care tho, we are up 3-1 and have played good hard basketball and the games have all been close and exciting with the exception of that first game.
Dude, the Magic played nowhere NEAR as well as they have been (other then one game), you cant deny that. Im not takin anything away from the Lakers though. They out played everybody they ran into. The Magic just looked like they were happy to be there, the Lakers seemed more focused then them (and the Lakers have looked unfocused alot during this playoff run)
I saw it more as stage freight then happy to be there. They are a young team and they made plenty of screw ups. Just look at all those wide open shots they missed during the season. The best thing the Lakers did defensively was limit Dwight Howard's scoring, which did ruin the Magic's flow.
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Kobe has a bad game and everyone says he's a choker. What idiots fail to realize is that no player, not Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, West, or whoever was able to step up ever time it was needed.
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
i'm really not trying to turn this into Kobe vs LeBron, but can you honestly say that Bron doesn't do the exact same with, drawing attention & gets players open looks?
he does that and manages to score more points, average more assits, win more games (regular season) & does it all with a weaker cast.
i don't how you shit on him all the time, i may never understand lol.
Of course LeBron draws double teams...but he's as good a player as Kobe is. That's all there is to it. Same goes for Melo, Wade, etc. etc.
You finally admit it then? :)
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
When did I say anything to the contrary? All i said is Kobe has the luxury of a great team behind him to step up when he can't be superman all the time (as no superstar can be)
Quit arguing with yourself
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anyone using 82games for anything needs to slap themselves. thats the same site that shows LeBron to be a better player than MJ...Kobe doesnt usually miss freethrows and he missed 5 last night. had he made those freethrows, we win the game. The difference is, Kobe always has a sense of when shit is urgent. Last nights game wasn't as urgent (ala the games we lost vs Houston & Denver). If you really think Orlando has a chance in this series, then you're jokin yourself. Kobe's performance in the 1st quarter was amazing...we all expected him to keep it up, but he stopped shooting...Kobe may be amazing, but there's only a certain extent to how amazing a player can be. EVERYONE fucks up. Even Magic and MJ fucked up...but since u wanna bring up LeBron, the difference in this season is that LeBron fucked up when it truly mattered...PeACe
"Kobe doesn't pull off late-game heroics this time"-
No, he didn't again, but D-FISH did.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Kobe has had clutch players who make plays when he turns the ball over, gets swatted, or str8 up misses. All great players need a clutch player beside them, at least one. EVERYONE does indeed fuck up, but the most successful players get backed up when needed most. Kobe was 11-31 and again didn't play all that great in the 4th or OT...
what you dont seem to realize is that without kobe on the court, none of these players can do what they do...the fact that kobe draws so much attention is what gets these other players the open looks and the nice feeds...thats obvious shit right there.. kobe is way more than just a scorer, and the fact that you dont see this is mind-boggling.
i'm really not trying to turn this into Kobe vs LeBron, but can you honestly say that Bron doesn't do the exact same with, drawing attention & gets players open looks?
he does that and manages to score more points, average more assits, win more games (regular season) & does it all with a weaker cast.
i don't how you shit on him all the time, i may never understand lol.
Of course LeBron draws double teams...but he's as good a player as Kobe is. That's all there is to it. Same goes for Melo, Wade, etc. etc.
You finally admit it then? :)
NOT as good...LOL. what a horrible fuck up on my part.
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Kobe has a bad game and everyone says he's a choker. What idiots fail to realize is that no player, not Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, West, or whoever was able to step up ever time it was needed.
A win is a win, you can say what you want but his team is up 3-1. The problem I see is people say "He's no Jordan" like it's a knock on Kobe, but nobody will ever be Jordan. If you don't like him personally or you think the commentators give him too much love that's fine, but don't try to tear him down like he isn't a great player. His pass to Gasol to cut the lead to 3 was ridiculous, and there's no doubt that the attention he draws gives his teammates better looks. Most people want to hit the game-winning shots, but a win is the ultimate goal.
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Kobe has a bad game and everyone says he's a choker. What idiots fail to realize is that no player, not Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, West, or whoever was able to step up ever time it was needed.
A win is a win, you can say what you want but his team is up 3-1. The problem I see is people say "He's no Jordan" like it's a knock on Kobe, but nobody will ever be Jordan. If you don't like him personally or you think the commentators give him too much love that's fine, but don't try to tear him down like he isn't a great player. His pass to Gasol to cut the lead to 3 was ridiculous, and there's no doubt that the attention he draws gives his teammates better looks. Most people want to hit the game-winning shots, but a win is the ultimate goal.
Kobe is so good that people expect him never to miss in the clutch.
if he does miss, they completely ignore all the other things he does to dominate the game, cuz they're so shocked that he's not scoring. LOL
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Kobe has a bad game and everyone says he's a choker. What idiots fail to realize is that no player, not Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, West, or whoever was able to step up ever time it was needed.
Whats funny to me is that its Lebron fans saying that shit. Lebron hit 1 game winner. I haven't forgot about all the times he needed Daniel Gibson, Danyell Marshall, and even Larry "40 Percent" Hughes to bail him out in the clutch.
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As for next year's Finals, it's far from a guarantee it will be Lakers-Celtics. The Lakers have a great foundation even if they lose Odom or Ariza (losing both would hurt but I'm sure they could find someone to do alright off the bench and have Walton start). The Celtics will be depending on KG to come back 100% and they have a lot of role players set up for free agency. The Cavs, Spurs, Nuggets and Magic should all be contenders next year because they don't have any big losses.