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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on June 11, 2009, 04:15:11 PM
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just heard his quote on Sportscenter
basically saying that Kobe is doing all the work and
"phil's just showing up"
LOL what a diss. Zo comes outta nowhere with that
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I can see that. Phil has always been a joke to me. Not a bad coach by any means, but definetely not as great as his resume looks. Lets just say....he's been "blessed" during his career lol. MJ/ Pippen...Shaq/ Kobe. This is the first team where he hasnt had two BIG time stars running the team. This team definetely lacks leadership at times (you can tell by their inconsistent play), but theyre skating by on Kobe's talent.
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not true, Phil set up a surprise team trip to the movie Pelham 123 yesterday haha.
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I can see that. Phil has always been a joke to me. Not a bad coach by any means, but definetely not as great as his resume looks. Lets just say....he's been "blessed" during his career lol. MJ/ Pippen...Shaq/ Kobe. This is the first team where he hasnt had two BIG time stars running the team. This team definetely lacks leadership at times (you can tell by their inconsistent play), but theyre skating by on Kobe's talent.
i LOEV LOVE LOVE when people try to argue "but Del Curry and Doug Collins couldn't win with the same teams Phil had"
what i said to them: Yes, Doug Collins couldn't win with Scottie Pippen for his first 2 NBA years and without many of the key peices of the Bulls dynasty...
and Del Curry couldn't win a title with Shaq and Kobe....ONLY WHEN KOBE WASN'T LEGALLY ABLE TO DRINK"
still Jackson is one of the top 5 coaches in NBA history for sure.
my top 5 (in no real order) are Big Red, Riley, Jackson, KC Jones and Larry Brown
and maybe you can put Gregg Popavich in the top 5 too, nigga has earned his stripes
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I can see that. Phil has always been a joke to me. Not a bad coach by any means, but definetely not as great as his resume looks. Lets just say....he's been "blessed" during his career lol. MJ/ Pippen...Shaq/ Kobe. This is the first team where he hasnt had two BIG time stars running the team. This team definetely lacks leadership at times (you can tell by their inconsistent play), but theyre skating by on Kobe's talent.
still Jackson is one of the top 5 coaches in NBA history for sure.
Agreed. Regardless of how he got them, he does have a shitload of rings lol. He's gotta be close to the top no matter what. But I just think he's overrated. If he coached the Clippers for the next 5 seasons....after 5 seasons, they would still fuckin suck.
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I can see that. Phil has always been a joke to me. Not a bad coach by any means, but definetely not as great as his resume looks. Lets just say....he's been "blessed" during his career lol. MJ/ Pippen...Shaq/ Kobe. This is the first team where he hasnt had two BIG time stars running the team. This team definetely lacks leadership at times (you can tell by their inconsistent play), but theyre skating by on Kobe's talent.
still Jackson is one of the top 5 coaches in NBA history for sure.
Agreed. Regardless of how he got them, he does have a shitload of rings lol. He's gotta be close to the top no matter what. But I just think he's overrated. If he coached the Clippers for the next 5 seasons....after 5 seasons, they would still fuckin suck.
if Phil Jackson did not have the top player in the sport during his title years (MJ in the 90s, Shaq during the title years and Kobe now), and had a team with 2nd team NBA players as his star, would he be as successful?
granted Jackson is not coaching Lebron :D
and NIK don't gimmie the "CBA" title nonsense, that league doesn't count lol
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I can see that. Phil has always been a joke to me. Not a bad coach by any means, but definetely not as great as his resume looks. Lets just say....he's been "blessed" during his career lol. MJ/ Pippen...Shaq/ Kobe. This is the first team where he hasnt had two BIG time stars running the team. This team definetely lacks leadership at times (you can tell by their inconsistent play), but theyre skating by on Kobe's talent.
still Jackson is one of the top 5 coaches in NBA history for sure.
Agreed. Regardless of how he got them, he does have a shitload of rings lol. He's gotta be close to the top no matter what. But I just think he's overrated. If he coached the Clippers for the next 5 seasons....after 5 seasons, they would still fuckin suck.
if Phil Jackson did not have the top player in the sport during his title years (MJ in the 90s, Shaq during the title years and Kobe now), and had a team with 2nd team NBA players as his star, would he be as successful?
granted Jackson is not coaching Lebron :D
and NIK don't gimmie the "CBA" title nonsense, that league doesn't count lol
Put it like this, different coaches are good for different situations. Phil excels when he doesnt have to do shit lol. I dont see my team being any more successful the last 10 yrs, if Phil was the coach rather then Popovich. Popovich's coaching style is a perfect fit for the players on that team.
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Pops is the best coach in the NBA since MJ retired, thats 4 sho
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i disagree is presence was instantly felt every time he came back to coach. when he first took the the bulls to the finals, then when he took kobe and shaq to the finals, then when he brought back the lakers. so i don't buy that whole, "just showing up"
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He know his role and how to manage players. No coach is perfect, but Jackson is usually consistent with his players and they rarely look like they don't know what they are doing. I like the fact that he isn't up on every possession, yelling and whistling like he is a high school or college coach.
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Actually, it was Del Harris, not Del Curry.
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Actually, it was Del Harris, not Del Curry.
hahahahaha m y bad
thats why you dont need to smoke weed.....leave more for me
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Fisher said during the tv interview after the game Phil is the best in the business cause he doesn't even need to say a word to him. We know his style. Phil wants the players to win. And he's got 10 rings to prove ourself his theory worked pretty well.
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Fisher said during the tv interview after the game Phil is the best in the business cause he doesn't even need to say a word to him. We know his style. Phil wants the players to win. And he's got 10 rings to prove ourself his theory worked pretty well.
9 rings so far ;)
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Hahaha.. ok. ;)
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I love Hack Wilson... "ya ya Phil sucks... Top 5 tho, Top 5"
regardless if you like what he does, like his situational calling... these opinions mean nothing
guy is about to win his 10th NBA title, he's been to 12! regardless of Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, that's crazy shit...
every championship team has elite players
Phil has always taken what the people say and responded "it's what you do teach in preparation for the game, our job is done when the game starts"
I kinda like that philosophy.... have you ever seen Mike Dunleavy dancing and yelling and distracting his players while they have the ball?
not only is he doing way too much, I've seen the Clippers looking at him while the opposition took note and cut for a layup without anyone noticing
let's not compare the two coaches obviously, I'm just making a comparison to styles of laid back and fuckin wired
to say he's a "joke".... what the fuck?
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
Alonzo is a decorated CHAMPION NBA center - he's earned his right to discuss whatever he wants basketball related
now, if it's true that Alonzo was talking down on Red Aurobach then something needs to be done here!
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
That's messed up NIK.
I love the Lakers to bro, But dizzam! that's uncalled for.
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
That's messed up NIK.
I love the Lakers to bro, But dizzam! that's uncalled for.
LOL exactly - alonzo is more qualified to discuss the NBA than 99.999999999% of people on earth
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Fisher said during the tv interview after the game Phil is the best in the business cause he doesn't even need to say a word to him. We know his style. Phil wants the players to win. And he's got 10 rings to prove ourself his theory worked pretty well.
I wonder who Fish has to compare him to, to call him the best in the business. I mean, from ALLLLLL those top level coaches Fish has played with lol
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LOL@decorated NBA champion, Like he didnt ride Wade and Shaqs back to get his title...This dudes Funny Style
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Regardless, the proof is in the pudding and Phil's resume is unfukwitable.
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Having all those rings IS amazing. Where Phil gets knocked, is only in that a lot of people feel there are a lot of coaches who would have won those rings with the bulls (given the talent). All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up. And with the three-peat Lakers, he had a ton of talent. All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up.
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Having all those rings IS amazing. Where Phil gets knocked, is only in that a lot of people feel there are a lot of coaches who would have won those rings with the bulls (given the talent). All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up. And with the three-peat Lakers, he had a ton of talent. All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up.
oh no doubt. but understand that it does take some brains to NOT fuck up. what it takes is knowing how to deal with these crazy ass egos that phil has dealt with - mj, shaq, kobe. there's a fine line in conceding to the superstar and still coaching a team. Phil is notorious for being hands off, but guess what, he knows what the fuck he's doin. coaching isn't all x's and o's and all screaming. it's about knowing how to get the best outta your guys and making them respect you.
Phil is legit fuck what you heard.
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I think this year Phil is doing some real coaching, his taking younger players and making them better. They say Kobe is the whip, but it's Jackson who's putting in work with Ariza, with Farmar, and his putting in huge work with Gasol. So his actually doing some coaching this year, and not just putting in a triangle offense and napping during the 4th quarter.
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Having all those rings IS amazing. Where Phil gets knocked, is only in that a lot of people feel there are a lot of coaches who would have won those rings with the bulls (given the talent). All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up. And with the three-peat Lakers, he had a ton of talent. All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up.
oh no doubt. but understand that it does take some brains to NOT fuck up. what it takes is knowing how to deal with these crazy ass egos that phil has dealt with - mj, shaq, kobe. there's a fine line in conceding to the superstar and still coaching a team. Phil is notorious for being hands off, but guess what, he knows what the fuck he's doin. coaching isn't all x's and o's and all screaming. it's about knowing how to get the best outta your guys and making them respect you.
Phil is legit fuck what you heard.
I agree. But ask any coach whether they would like to have the challenge of dealing with the big egos of huge superstars...or creating a champion out of a team full of role players. Im sure most of them would like to deal with the big egos lol
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now, if it's true that Alonzo was talking down on Red Aurobach then something needs to be done here!
I know you're an asshole for fun but something tells me you don't even know what Red looks like
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
Alonzo is a decorated CHAMPION NBA center - he's earned his right to discuss whatever he wants basketball related
now, if it's true that Alonzo was talking down on Red Aurobach then something needs to be done here!
i dunno if you missed it, but he came on Jim Rome's radio show a couple months back and was asked basketball related questions...his reply was that he wasn't there to talk basketball, then he started going on about kidney disease LOLLL. ever since then, he's been mocked on that show relentlessly, and now that he came out with this horrible take, he just looks flat out retarded...he needs to stfu.
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The only joke is Alonzo tryna come up with a take on basketball...and a horrible take at that. STFU and talk about kidney disease. Phil Jackson is the best in the business. to say he sits back and does nothing is a mockery to anyone who knows basketball. he managed the personalities of the biggest egos in sports and assembled them into some of the greatest teams possible. the dude is no slouch, to say the least... he knows his basketball, he's perfected the art of adjustments, teaches his players how to master the triangle offense, etc....Alonzo is a fuckin joke for talkin down on the greatest coach of all time...:grumpy:
That's messed up NIK.
I love the Lakers to bro, But dizzam! that's uncalled for.
ummm...it's not messed up. he was asked basketball related questions on the jim rome show a while back and he said he only wanted to talk about kidney disease. shit was the worst rome interview of all time and is still talked about til this day. LOL.
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Having all those rings IS amazing. Where Phil gets knocked, is only in that a lot of people feel there are a lot of coaches who would have won those rings with the bulls (given the talent). All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up. And with the three-peat Lakers, he had a ton of talent. All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up.
oh no doubt. but understand that it does take some brains to NOT fuck up. what it takes is knowing how to deal with these crazy ass egos that phil has dealt with - mj, shaq, kobe. there's a fine line in conceding to the superstar and still coaching a team. Phil is notorious for being hands off, but guess what, he knows what the fuck he's doin. coaching isn't all x's and o's and all screaming. it's about knowing how to get the best outta your guys and making them respect you.
Phil is legit fuck what you heard.
exactly...and the thing is, it's not like Phil doesnt know his x's and o's...along with being a master in psychology, dude knows the game pretty fucking well. there's a reason he's coaching these great players to begin with.
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now, if it's true that Alonzo was talking down on Red Aurobach then something needs to be done here!
I know you're an asshole for fun but something tells me you don't even know what Red looks like
LOL...especially since he can't even spell his name.
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nobody says hes not legit lol thats not in question here
but if PHIL JACKSON and JERRY SLOAN switched places in the 1990s i bet the resulst stay the same - bulls 6 jazz 0
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nobody says hes not legit lol thats not in question here
but if PHIL JACKSON and JERRY SLOAN switched places in the 1990s i bet the resulst stay the same - bulls 6 jazz 0
doubt jerry sloan has what it takes to win 10 titles...great x's an o's coach, but not nearly as great on the psychological aspect.
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and to the person who says Alonzo isn't decorated - the man averaged 19 PPG and 9.6 rebounds or more the first 8 years he was in the NBA
not to mention the 3 blocks a game
he was the MAN
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nobody says hes not legit lol thats not in question here
but if PHIL JACKSON and JERRY SLOAN switched places in the 1990s i bet the resulst stay the same - bulls 6 jazz 0
i don't see it that way, the composition of the jazz would have been different. you wouldn't run the triangle with the same players on the jazz at the time, and you would run jerry sloans hard knock pick and roll with the same players on the bulls.
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Honestly how can Phil be knocked? Dude has like 9 of the last 18 ships etc etc. Of course he's had great players, but so has the other coaches that won it all.
Like yeah, Popovich wouldn't be shit w/o Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu,
Rudy T wouldn't have been shit w/o Hakeem, etc.
Having all those rings IS amazing. Where Phil gets knocked, is only in that a lot of people feel there are a lot of coaches who would have won those rings with the bulls (given the talent). All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up. And with the three-peat Lakers, he had a ton of talent. All Phil had to do was NOT fuck things up.
oh no doubt. but understand that it does take some brains to NOT fuck up. what it takes is knowing how to deal with these crazy ass egos that phil has dealt with - mj, shaq, kobe. there's a fine line in conceding to the superstar and still coaching a team. Phil is notorious for being hands off, but guess what, he knows what the fuck he's doin. coaching isn't all x's and o's and all screaming. it's about knowing how to get the best outta your guys and making them respect you.
Phil is legit fuck what you heard.
I agree. But ask any coach whether they would like to have the challenge of dealing with the big egos of huge superstars...or creating a champion out of a team full of role players. Im sure most of them would like to deal with the big egos lol
Yeah, but like I said, it still takes a strong person to manage egos. To put it in perspective, check this: Ask Andy Reid what he thinks about TO. Hell, ask any coach what he thinks about TO. If they don't give you the PC bullshit, they're gonna tell you that he wasn't worth it. Ask Randy Moss' old coaches what they think about him, they'll prolly say the same. But then hook Moss up w/ a coach that knows how to run shop, aka Belichick. Dude had his most prolific season and the Pats were one of the greatest teams ever.
So of course, having superstar players has helped Phil, but he's still a great coach. I mean fuck, he's about to go to toe rings, that isn't a fluke.