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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Hatesrats™ on June 13, 2009, 01:49:42 PM
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Next on WCB: Cotto vs. Clottey, live at 10:35 PM ET/7:35 PM PT
HBO Boxing returns to the Garden in New York City for a welterweight prizefight with a world title on the line.
On the eve of the Puerto Rican day parade, PR sensation Miguel Cotto (33-1, 27 KOs)
faces tough Ghana native Joshua Clottey (35-2, 20 KOs), looking to establish himself as a contender in the elite ranks of the division.
Who do you got?
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honestly i cant vote or decide yet...
im just gonna have to enjoy the fight
ive kept up with both of these guys for years and i know both of them are GREAT boxers
if Clottey wins this will only make people more scared of him and ducked even more
if Cotto wins then this calls for a rematch with Sugar Shane
If Cotto runs out of gas then Clottey will win easily
if not then its gonna be a hard one to call
ive never seen Clottey run out of gas and he has a better body then Cotto does so Cotto is really gonna need a new game plan when attacking the body cus thats what he is good at...
gonna be a great fight!
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^^Defo a toss up I agree, But Clottey's high guard is the only real thing that I do not like about his style.
Sure against head hunter's it works/worked well for him in the past, But Cotto will defo be looking to take it to the body early.
That said, The jury is still out on MC after the Margarito fight..
This will show us what he has left, or if the fight has indeed took something out of him.
I'm hyped.
+1 for the reply.
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this will definitely be a classic if it goes the distance
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As the fight comes closer....
I'm leaning towards Cotto by UD.
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well now that you made me think about it
if Cotto doesnt fight AMAZING then Clottely by UD
if Cotto runs out of gas he will get ko'd
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Im gonna go with Cotto, but it will go the distance. Clottey is fuckin impressive to me, hella underrated, and I like him as a fighter. But Cotto is gonna wanna show that he should be back in the pound for pound discussion. Gotta remember, the Margarito loss was more then likely bullshit.
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lets get ready to rumble
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damn Cotto just knocked down Clottey with a jab
:o
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my scorecard
1st round- Cotto 10 Clottey 8
2nd round hard to score but ill give it to Cotto 9 Clottey 10
3rd round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
4th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
5th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (that was not a shove down i think Clottey just stumbled and slipped and fail it was an accident)
6th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (damn Cotto whooped ass but hopefully he wont run out of gas)
7th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (told you Cotto would run out of gas)
8th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (The accidental head but fucked up Cotto)
9th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (hard one to decide but ill give it to Cotto)
10th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
11th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
12th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (dirty round by Cotto but he pulled it off)
my score Cotto 115 Clottey 112
winner Cotto by my scorecard
lets see what the judges say
Harolds was 114-113 for Cotto
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Judges scorecard
116-111 for Cotto
114-113 for Clottey
115-112 for Cotto
winner Miguel Cotto
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Judges scorecard
116-111 for Cotto
114-113 for Clottey
115-112 for Cotto
winner Miguel Cotto
lol@ 116-111...thats a bunch of bullshit. I would love to see a rematch. I think Clottey out-faught Cotto.
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Cotto better redeem himself after that last embarrassment. I thought he was gonna be the next big thing.
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my scorecard
1st round- Cotto 10 Clottey 8
2nd round hard to score but ill give it to Cotto 9 Clottey 10
3rd round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
4th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
5th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (that was not a shove down i think Clottey just stumbled and slipped and fail it was an accident)
6th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (damn Cotto whooped ass but hopefully he wont run out of gas)
7th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (told you Cotto would run out of gas)
8th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (The accidental head but fucked up Cotto)
9th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (hard one to decide but ill give it to Cotto)
10th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
11th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
12th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (dirty round by Cotto but he pulled it off)
my score Cotto 115 Clottey 112
winner Cotto by my scorecard
lets see what the judges say
Harolds was 114-113 for Cotto
Watching live w/My blood boiling I gotta admit, I feeel Clottey was jobed.
Great job on the scorecard, I'll rewatch this and post mine a lil' later.
+2
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my scorecard
1st round- Cotto 10 Clottey 8
2nd round hard to score but ill give it to Cotto 9 Clottey 10
3rd round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
4th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
5th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (that was not a shove down i think Clottey just stumbled and slipped and fail it was an accident)
6th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (damn Cotto whooped ass but hopefully he wont run out of gas)
7th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (told you Cotto would run out of gas)
8th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (The accidental head but fucked up Cotto)
9th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (hard one to decide but ill give it to Cotto)
10th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
11th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
12th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (dirty round by Cotto but he pulled it off)
my score Cotto 115 Clottey 112
winner Cotto by my scorecard
lets see what the judges say
Harolds was 114-113 for Cotto
I feeel Clottey was jobed.
Real shit. You know boxing, and Cotto is SO much more marketable then Clottey. A Cotto loss would have been devistating to his career. But watching the fight, Clottey controlled the fight for the most part. Only that flash knock down hurt him on the score cards, and the two rounds after he twisted slowed him a bit, and the 12th round. But I see Clottey winning at least 7 rounds, maybe 8. He was the aggressor the entire fight, and a lot of times judges give the nod to the guy pushing the fight in a close fight. Except this one.
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You know boxing, and Cotto is SO much more marketable then Clottey. A Cotto loss would have been devistating to his career. But watching the fight, Clottey controlled the fight for the most part. Only that flash knock down hurt him on the score cards, and the two rounds after he twisted slowed him a bit, and the 12th round. But I see Clottey winning at least 7 rounds, maybe 8. He was the aggressor the entire fight, and a lot of times judges give the nod to the guy pushing the fight in a close fight. Except this one.
I agree..
Still have to get around to watching it again, Too lazy right now..lol
But i'll post up my scorecard and compare it w/AG's.
+1 Daygo.
You should peep this boxing forum I post @.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/ (http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/)
cool place to talk shit & discuss Boxing & MMA
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The 6th round said it all, Cotto went all out and didn't even hurt Clottey. Clottey just used that round to rest on the ropes, then Round 7 came along and Clottey was amazing.
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The 6th round said it all, Cotto went all out and didn't even hurt Clottey. Clottey just used that round to rest on the ropes, then Round 7 came along and Clottey was amazing.
Clottey is so underrated. On the real, boxing doesnt want an African to take down a popular Puerto Rican fighter. But he's so difficult to hurt, his defense is good, he's a good body puncher and he can wear down an opponent. He was definetely beating Margarito in their fight (loaded gloves or not), until he injured his hands. Out of his three losses, he's basically had a questionable DQ, a fight where he got hurt in but was winning the fight when the injury occurred, and now a very questionable Split Decision. It wasnt a terrible decision, but one judge was completely off base with the 116-111 score. Had that been someone else with any sense, who knows how the decision would have went.
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You know boxing, and Cotto is SO much more marketable then Clottey. A Cotto loss would have been devistating to his career. But watching the fight, Clottey controlled the fight for the most part. Only that flash knock down hurt him on the score cards, and the two rounds after he twisted slowed him a bit, and the 12th round. But I see Clottey winning at least 7 rounds, maybe 8. He was the aggressor the entire fight, and a lot of times judges give the nod to the guy pushing the fight in a close fight. Except this one.
I agree..
Still have to get around to watching it again, Too lazy right now..lol
But i'll post up my scorecard and compare it w/AG's.
+1 Daygo.
You should peep this boxing forum I post @.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/ (http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/)
cool place to talk shit & discuss Boxing & MMA
fa sho. Ill check it out. Props man.
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Clottey wasent robbed
i gave Cotto some rounds because even with his cut he still was able to out box Clottey
we just witnessed a great new cotto
kinda the same style but with a way better boxing technique
i could see how maybe Clottey won in some eyes because some of the rounds were hard to decide
i think in the 7th or 8th Clottey landed the best punch of the fight with that straight right hand and Cotto was hurt for a minute but Cotto boxed his way back into the game
it really came down to the final 3 rounds which Cotto clearly won (except the 11th) and that was really the deciding factor of the fight
a rematch would be nice but not necessary
Cotto is gonna have more and bigger paydays thanks to this fight
and Clottey is gonna be ducked even more
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Clottey wasent robbed
i gave Cotto some rounds because even with his cut he still was able to out box Clottey
we just witnessed a great new cotto
kinda the same style but with a way better boxing technique
i could see how maybe Clottey won in some eyes because some of the rounds were hard to decide
i think in the 7th or 8th Clottey landed the best punch of the fight with that straight right hand and Cotto was hurt for a minute but Cotto boxed his way back into the game
it really came down to the final 3 rounds which Cotto clearly won (except the 11th) and that was really the deciding factor of the fight
a rematch would be nice but not necessary
Cotto is gonna have more and bigger paydays thanks to this fight
and Clottey is gonna be ducked even more
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If Mayweather was Cotto, and Cotto was Clottey...people would be bitching saying that Cotto was pushing the fight, the aggressor, and controlled the fight and got robbed. Clottey out boxed Cotto, he pushed the action, and he controlled the fight for 80% of the fight. Cotto had one flash KO that obviously didnt hurt Clottey. But Cottos punches had virtually no effects. Cotto won 5 rounds at the MOST (and thats generous). Again, no WAY boxing wants to see Clottey beat Cotto while Cotto is trying to come back. Even Max Kellerman said how ridiculous that 116-111 score was lol That judge obviously wasnt watching the same fight everyone else was.
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well in my opinion Cotto did enough to win and won atleast 7 rounds
i would of called it a draw if Clottey didnt get dropped the first round maybe
the 116-111 is idiotic but i think my scorecard is pretty accurate...
we will wait for Haters scorecard to see if he agrees
like i said it was a toss up near the end and really depended on the final last 3 rounds which cotto clearly won besides the 11th
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After re-watching it w/a cool head this is my scorecard.
1st round- Cotto 10 Clottey 8 (Shotgun Jab drop's Clottey, Clean KD)
2nd round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
3rd round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
4th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
5th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10 (Defo a side step and shoulder tackle, Cotto has done similar acts before)
6th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
7th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
8th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
9th round Cotto 9 Clottey 10
10th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
11th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9
12th round Cotto 10 Clottey 9 (Rabid Punch & a Nut shot, Clottey looking to get a point from the ref?)
Final score:
114-113 Miguel Cotto
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9th round was hard to decide
saying Cotto won the 11th isnt very right cus Clottey clearly won that round
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Heres my scorecard, ive watched the fight 3 times now lol
Rd
1 Cotto 10-8
2 Clottey 10-9
3 Clottey 10-9
4 Cotto 10-9
5 Clottey 10-9
6 Cotto 10-9
7 Clottey 10-9
8 Clottey 10-9
9 Clottey 10-9
10 Clottey 10-9
11 Clottey 10-9
12 Cotto 10-9
Clottey wins 115-112
To be real, I respect your guys scorecards. But watching this fight, I dont see ANY possible way Cotto wins this fight. Three key aspects to the fight, Clottey was the superior fighter in. 1) He landed more punches (and was the more accurate puncher), 2) despite Cottos flash knock down in round 1, and him being the "power puncher" he simply could not hurt Clottey one bit. Clottey landed the more effective blows. He was regularly snapping Cottos head back with crisper, cleaner punches. 3) Controlled the pace of the fight. Clottey did exactly what he said he would. He was the aggressor, he initiated the action, and he had Cotto backing up most of the fight.
Bottom line, this wasnt the worst decision ever by any means. But I do think Clottey got robbed. He asked for a rematch, but honestly I think he would get fucked again if he doesnt KO Cotto. Boxing would HATE to see an African champ over a VERY popular Puerto Rican champ.
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Dude your crazy
Cotto was way more active and pushed the fight and also had Clottey on the ropes on the Defensive alot
ive kept up with both boxers and their fights
watching Cotto looked like he got better Clottey looked a bit worse in this fight and thats a first for him he actually had someone as strong as him
great fight, hard to decide
what good boxing really is
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Dude your crazy
Cotto was way more active and pushed the fight and also had Clottey on the ropes on the Defensive alot
ive kept up with both boxers and their fights
watching Cotto looked like he got better Clottey looked a bit worse in this fight and thats a first for him he actually had someone as strong as him
great fight, hard to decide
what good boxing really is
Cotto pushed the fight? Even the commentators were talking about how it resembled Cotto/Margarito for the simple fact that Clottey was the one pressuring Cotto. I dont wanna say Cotto was on the run, but he was backing up most of the fight. They even kept talking about it during the fight, saying how Cotto isnt as good of a fighter backing up the way he was. Cotto was more active as far as throwing punches, but he landed less. Check the punch stats. Cotto only really had Clottey on the ropes about 3 times, and 1 of them was in the round immediately after Clottey hurt is knee. Most of those punches were getting blocked, or simply had zero effect on Clottey lol. Put it like this, like i said before...if that would have Mayweather fighting how Cotto did, everyone would say he was running. I like Cotto too. I think he's a good fighter, a good guy, all that shit. He's good for boxing...which is why there is no way Clottey was going to win a decision in that fight.
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you have a point but Clottey wasent robbed
i thought if he didnt get dropped it prolly would of been a draw
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you have a point but Clottey wasent robbed
i thought if he didnt get dropped it prolly would of been a draw
Either way, a rematch would be good. I dont know if itll happen. Im not even sure if the Cotto camp would want to fuck with Clottey again. He's a dangerous fighter, and Cotto wont get the HUGE payday off of that. Im sure theyd love to see him take one more fight and hope to get the winner of a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight if it happens.
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Paul Williams would be a decent pay day for Cotto
but yeah you would think the WBC would want a immediate rematch or something
i dont see a fight with Money or Pacman anytime soon but negotiations can happen
Top Rank is known to do that
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It looked like Clottey was in control of the fight more often than Cotto. Near the end it looked like Clottey stop trying?
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Paul Williams would be a decent pay day for Cotto
but yeah you would think the WBC would want a immediate rematch or something
i dont see a fight with Money or Pacman anytime soon but negotiations can happen
Top Rank is known to do that
Paul Williams would, but none of the top fighters seem to want to touch him. Not the mega pay day that Mayweather or Pacquiao would bring. But a really difficult, dangerous fighter to match up with. I dunno, we'll see what happens.
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Looks like it will be.....
Miguel Cotto Vs. Manny Pacquiao @ a catchweight of 144lbs. in Nov.
Yeah PWill is about another good year away from being primetime.
About 1 or 2 more big victories away from being in demand.
(IMO, already the man @ 154lbs)
& could still make 147lbs and stretch up to 160lbs. :o
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Looks like it will be.....
Miguel Cotto Vs. Manny Pacquiao @ a catchweight of 144lbs. in Nov.
This will be HUGE!! Where did you see this at?