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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: S P I C E on June 23, 2009, 11:27:03 AM
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Great move for the Spurs!! Bucks got ripped off bad!
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Great move for the Spurs!! Bucks got ripped off bad!
in a sense but they got expiring contracts, and they wont win with or without Jeff. Great move for SAS
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source?
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lol 2 old dudes and one with heart problem. Milwaukee is prob setting up to fold.
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lol 2 old dudes and one with heart problem. Milwaukee is prob setting up to fold.
trying to rebuild
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they really never needed RJ when they already have Michael Redd...Bucks actually look like they have a decent future, though.
PG Luke Ridnour...Charlie Bell/Damon Jones
SG Ramon Sessions...Keith Bogans/Salim Stoudemire
SF Michael Redd...Bruce Bowen/Joe Alexander
PF Charlie Villanueva...Mbah A Moute/Kurt Thomas
C Andrew Bogut...Fabricio Oberto/Dan Gadzuric
not bad for the east
Spurs made a move they desperately needed....but lets see how they do without Bowen and lets see how RJ fits in before we call this a great move. I still see San Antonio as a bottom to mid seeded team in the west.
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^^Bucks have a good future but I think my Pacers will be better next season. I really think the Pacers will make playoffs next year. Hell we barely missed out last year and 22 of our losses were by less than 5 points. I think this team learned a lot this year, we better resign Jack though!!
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^^Bucks have a good future but I think my Pacers will be better next season. I really think the Pacers will make playoffs next year. Hell we barely missed out last year and 22 of our losses were by less than 5 points. I think this team learned a lot this year, we better resign Jack though!!
I agree
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well i knew that the spurs were gunna make a deal this summer but i must admit there still a 25-28 year old center/power forward away from contending again.
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Good move by the Spurs. They needed to get younger after all the injuries last year. If Jefferson can gel into the system the Spurs are contenders again.
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^easy contenders.
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The Bucks are my East team. I really want to see them do good but they just can't attract an All-Star callibre player. I was hoping Redd / Jefferson / Sessions / Bogut would work out.
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I don't know. Al Jefferson can score, but can he defend? And who will replace Thomas and Oberto?
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Elson > Oberto
they where better off resigning him
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I don't know. Al Jefferson can score, but can he defend? And who will replace Thomas and Oberto?
Richard Jefferson
nice trade for the Spurs...
not trying to 'hate' but I don't think they can do much if Duncan continues to look weak
I looked at his numbers last year and they were fine, but watching him was a whole nother thing
every game I watched he looked like the old version of Dwight Howard in this years Finals
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funny how some call people "Laker haters" but then make silly comments about the Spurs NOT being contenders with this pickup LOL! The Spurs won over 50 games again last year, if healthy it very well would have been around 60. We had a shitty playoffs, but this is exactly what everybody out there was saying we needed. An athletic guy who could get to the rim, and shoot the three. A guy who can average 20 ppg easily if needed. Virtually every NBA analyst covering this trade has said this puts the Spurs up with the Lakers in the West, or just below depending on who the Lakers lose. Then you have idiots on here saying the Spurs will be a mid seeded team when they were 3rd in the West last year with the big three playing about 2/3's of the game together from injuries LOL. Theres been arguments on ESPN about whether this makes the Spurs the team to beat in the West, or whether then Lakers need to match this trade. Now, i dont believe anybody becomes the team to beat other then the defending champs, with the exception of something DRASTIC happening via free agency. So the Lakers are still the team to beat. BUT, if youre stupid enough to think this doesnt make the Spurs an instance contender then youre either more biased then we all already know...or a complete idiot when it comes to basketball. You chose.
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I don't know. Al Jefferson can score, but can he defend? And who will replace Thomas and Oberto?
Richard Jefferson
nice trade for the Spurs...
not trying to 'hate' but I don't think they can do much if Duncan continues to look weak
I looked at his numbers last year and they were fine, but watching him was a whole nother thing
every game I watched he looked like the old version of Dwight Howard in this years Finals
Duncan will be fine. He's just not the guy that looks to take it to the rim everytime anymore. He's more of a fascilitator for the offense. The double team typically comes his way and he can set up open jumpers or slashing smalls. Problem is, Manu was injured so much which left only Parker to slash to the middle. We had no smalls other then Parker that could really get in the lane with Manu out so much. This trade takes a huge load off of the others. If they keep Manu, they can limit his minutes a little. He'll still be the 6th man. If they can manage to resign Gooden that would be huge also. I mean we'd be talking Duncan, Gooden, Jefferson, Mason, Parker as a starting 5? Theyd need maybe another contributer off the bench. But theyd look pretty good.
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If Ginobili comes back at full strength they would probably have him come off the bench again right? That would be a solid rotation but I think they need a big man who can play good defense and rebound and have Gooden and/or Elson off the bench. It's laughable to write the Spurs off and say they are a bottom-seeded playoff team, but the gap between them and the Lakers is still noticable. Spurs are a top 4 in the West though, that should be easy to agree on.
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y'all act like there isn't dick riding here in this section especially for the Lakers
of course Spurs are always the biggest threat in the West every year but a bunch of dumb fucks are scared to admit it and pretend they arent that good cus their is intimidation when it comes to the play offs
we have one of the best coaches ever, coaching one of the best teams
once this new team gets organized and knows how to play with eachother they are gonna kill it
we were just dysfunctional this last season
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The Spurs really, REALLY needed more athleticism, and they got it. They are going to be fine, only problem is the low basketball IQ with Gooden AND Jefferson in the starting line-up.
As for Ginobili... that nigga is way past his prime, they can't count on him anymore. Don't get your hopes up for him. I see him playing in Europe in 2 years.
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funny how some call people "Laker haters" but then make silly comments about the Spurs NOT being contenders with this pickup LOL! The Spurs won over 50 games again last year, if healthy it very well would have been around 60. We had a shitty playoffs, but this is exactly what everybody out there was saying we needed. An athletic guy who could get to the rim, and shoot the three. A guy who can average 20 ppg easily if needed. Virtually every NBA analyst covering this trade has said this puts the Spurs up with the Lakers in the West, or just below depending on who the Lakers lose. Then you have idiots on here saying the Spurs will be a mid seeded team when they were 3rd in the West last year with the big three playing about 2/3's of the game together from injuries LOL. Theres been arguments on ESPN about whether this makes the Spurs the team to beat in the West, or whether then Lakers need to match this trade. Now, i dont believe anybody becomes the team to beat other then the defending champs, with the exception of something DRASTIC happening via free agency. So the Lakers are still the team to beat. BUT, if youre stupid enough to think this doesnt make the Spurs an instance contender then youre either more biased then we all already know...or a complete idiot when it comes to basketball. You chose.
right...cuz the spurs are getting younger. LMAO....ROFL@"the team to beat"...wow, and you said I was a homer :grumpy:...the west is improving and yall were in desperation mode before this trade. lets see how it works out first before u start running your damn mouth. if you ask me, youll be lucky to catch a 4th seed the way the west is stacked...PeACe
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of course Spurs are always the biggest threat in the West every year
LMFAO
once this new team gets organized and knows how to play with eachother they are gonna kill it
we were just dysfunctional this last season
LOL, wtf? weren't you a Lakers/Rockets fan last season?? :-X Horrible, homie.
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funny how some call people "Laker haters" but then make silly comments about the Spurs NOT being contenders with this pickup LOL! The Spurs won over 50 games again last year, if healthy it very well would have been around 60. We had a shitty playoffs, but this is exactly what everybody out there was saying we needed. An athletic guy who could get to the rim, and shoot the three. A guy who can average 20 ppg easily if needed. Virtually every NBA analyst covering this trade has said this puts the Spurs up with the Lakers in the West, or just below depending on who the Lakers lose. Then you have idiots on here saying the Spurs will be a mid seeded team when they were 3rd in the West last year with the big three playing about 2/3's of the game together from injuries LOL. Theres been arguments on ESPN about whether this makes the Spurs the team to beat in the West, or whether then Lakers need to match this trade. Now, i dont believe anybody becomes the team to beat other then the defending champs, with the exception of something DRASTIC happening via free agency. So the Lakers are still the team to beat. BUT, if youre stupid enough to think this doesnt make the Spurs an instance contender then youre either more biased then we all already know...or a complete idiot when it comes to basketball. You chose.
right...cuz the spurs are getting younger. LMAO....ROFL@"the team to beat"...wow, and you said I was a homer :grumpy:...the west is improving and yall were in desperation mode before this trade. lets see how it works out first before u start running your damn mouth. if you ask me, youll be lucky to catch a 4th seed the way the west is stacked...PeACe
Are u stupid? I didnt call the Spurs the team to beat. I just said the argument has been made by various analysts ever since the trade. I said the Lakers are still the team to beat unless something absolutely crazy happens during the off-season. I was just showing how stupid it is to say they arent one of the top teams in the West just because you dont want them to be lol.
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of course Spurs are always the biggest threat in the West every year
LMFAO
once this new team gets organized and knows how to play with eachother they are gonna kill it
we were just dysfunctional this last season
LOL, wtf? weren't you a Lakers/Rockets fan last season?? :-X Horrible, homie.
AG jumps back and forth a lot lol but usually between Texas teams.
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
if they keep Gooden then itll be
Spurs
Duncan
Gooden
Mason
Jefferson
Parker
Lakers
Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Bryant
Fisher
Thats a pretty even matchup man. As of now, you guys have the deeper bench. But we have a bigger impact player on the bench with Ginobli (if he stays healthy). Not to mention, there is no guarantee you guys will be able to keep both Ariza and Odom.
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I have to agree with NIK however I will say that if Parker, Manu and Duncan stay healthy for the playoffs with Jefferson then they will be close to the Lakers but yeah they probably need 1 more player.
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
if they keep Gooden then itll be
Spurs
Duncan
Gooden
Mason
Jefferson
Parker
Lakers
Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Bryant
Fisher
Thats a pretty even matchup man. As of now, you guys have the deeper bench. But we have a bigger impact player on the bench with Ginobli (if he stays healthy). Not to mention, there is no guarantee you guys will be able to keep both Ariza and Odom.
Why list Manu on the bench and not Odom? They will both be bench players next season (assuming Odom resigns).
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
if they keep Gooden then itll be
Spurs
Duncan
Gooden
Mason
Jefferson
Parker
Lakers
Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Bryant
Fisher
Thats a pretty even matchup man. As of now, you guys have the deeper bench. But we have a bigger impact player on the bench with Ginobli (if he stays healthy). Not to mention, there is no guarantee you guys will be able to keep both Ariza and Odom.
Why list Manu on the bench and not Odom? They will both be bench players next season (assuming Odom resigns).
true enough. But for the sake of comparison on my post, he actually makes your starting 5 appear stronger. So moving him to the bench, would only help my argument. lol Thanks though. :cheers:
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
if they keep Gooden then itll be
Spurs
Duncan
Gooden
Mason
Jefferson
Parker
Lakers
Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Bryant
Fisher
Thats a pretty even matchup man. As of now, you guys have the deeper bench. But we have a bigger impact player on the bench with Ginobli (if he stays healthy). Not to mention, there is no guarantee you guys will be able to keep both Ariza and Odom.
Why list Manu on the bench and not Odom? They will both be bench players next season (assuming Odom resigns).
true enough. But for the sake of comparison on my post, he actually makes your starting 5 appear stronger. So moving him to the bench, would only help my argument. lol Thanks though. :cheers:
But it would take away from the Lakers bench, which you argued is comparable to the Spurs'. So it sort of balances out. It's just a matter of accuracy at this point. :oi:
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^^ exactly
i hated the Rockets till Artest joined
and i wasent a Lakers fan last season cus they disappointed me when they played the Celtics but they redeemed themselves
im just a fan of basketball not one individual team
then you cant say "we" when talkin about a team..
as for the Spurs, they'll be good, but they still need another piece to truly compete with the Lakers..thats all there is to it, homie.
if they keep Gooden then itll be
Spurs
Duncan
Gooden
Mason
Jefferson
Parker
Lakers
Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Bryant
Fisher
Thats a pretty even matchup man. As of now, you guys have the deeper bench. But we have a bigger impact player on the bench with Ginobli (if he stays healthy). Not to mention, there is no guarantee you guys will be able to keep both Ariza and Odom.
Why list Manu on the bench and not Odom? They will both be bench players next season (assuming Odom resigns).
true enough. But for the sake of comparison on my post, he actually makes your starting 5 appear stronger. So moving him to the bench, would only help my argument. lol Thanks though. :cheers:
But it would take away from the Lakers bench, which you argued is comparable to the Spurs'. So it sort of balances out. It's just a matter of accuracy at this point. :oi:
I gotcha. Actually, I think the Lakers have the stronger bench based on their depth. Starting 5's is hard to judge really, until Jefferson actually plays with our starting 5.
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LOL...our 2nd best player is currently better than your first best. ::)@"it's hard to judge"
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LOL...our 2nd best player is currently better than your first best. ::)@"it's hard to judge"
NIK with is completely stupid comments again that even Laker fans would say makes absolutely NO sense lolol. Your second best player is Gasol. lol. He would be our 3rd option on offense last year, and the 4th option if he played for us this year LOL.
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LOL...our 2nd best player is currently better than your first best. ::)@"it's hard to judge"
NIK with is completely stupid comments again that even Laker fans would say makes absolutely NO sense lolol. Your second best player is Gasol. lol. He would be our 3rd option on offense last year, and the 4th option if he played for us this year LOL.
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, STFU
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The Spurs really, REALLY needed more athleticism, and they got it. They are going to be fine, only problem is the low basketball IQ with Gooden AND Jefferson in the starting line-up.
As for Ginobili... that nigga is way past his prime, they can't count on him anymore. Don't get your hopes up for him. I see him playing in Europe in 2 years.
lol i think duncan's basketball IQ alone makes up for the ppl around him
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LOL...our 2nd best player is currently better than your first best. ::)@"it's hard to judge"
NIK with is completely stupid comments again that even Laker fans would say makes absolutely NO sense lolol. Your second best player is Gasol. lol. He would be our 3rd option on offense last year, and the 4th option if he played for us this year LOL.
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, STFU
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
08-09 SAS 75 75 33.6 0.504 0.000 0.692 2.7 8.0 10.7 3.5 0.5 1.7 2.20 2.30 19.3
08-09 LAL 81 81 37.0 0.567 0.500 0.781 3.2 6.4 9.6 3.5 0.6 1.0 1.94 2.10 18.9
So Duncan leads in PPG, BPG, RPG while playing 3.5 minutes less/game...but somehow had a worse year lol. Youre getting confused because Duncan had a statistically lower year then average for him (even though he played less minutes then normal) which was still better then Pau having a better then normal year for himself. Try again lol
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duncan > gasol
all day, every day
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duncan > gasol
all day, every day
lol@ NIK. Even Laker fans know how stupid he sounds sometimes. Gasol was a great pick up for the Lakers, no doubt. And he definetely contributed last year. There is no way Kobe would have won a title last year without him. BUT, sometimes NIK gets a little excited and makes retarded claims about his team that would have Jack Haley callin him a cheerleader lol
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duncan > gasol
all day, every day
lol@ NIK. Even Laker fans know how stupid he sounds sometimes. Gasol was a great pick up for the Lakers, no doubt. And he definetely contributed last year. There is no way Kobe would have won a title last year without him. BUT, sometimes NIK gets a little excited and makes retarded claims about his team that would have Jack Haley callin him a cheerleader lol
stfu....duncan had a down year, he didnt look too great. lots of people agree that Gasol had the better season....Gasol shot the ball better turned the ball over less and played as a 2nd option, while Duncan is the leader of his team. calm down with your hyper ass always gettin outta line....you can "lol" when i make claims that sound ridiculous. Gasol having a better year than Duncan is NOT ridiculous...PeACe
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
they scored virtually the same amount of points, while Gasol was the SECOND OPTION...Gasol also shot MUCH better percentages across the board and grabbed only 1 less board, despite playing with a much thicker front court. Gasol had the better season..Duncan was hurt half the time...dude is older now and more fragile.
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
they scored virtually the same amount of points, while Gasol was the SECOND OPTION...Gasol also shot MUCH better percentages across the board and grabbed only 1 less board, despite playing with a much thicker front court. Gasol had the better season..Duncan was hurt half the time...dude is older now and more fragile.
lol Gasol averaged less points, boards, and blocks...while playing more minutes per game. How is that difficult to understand? lol Youre making yourself sound even more ridiculous the longer you argue. Gasol being a SECOND OPTION definetely contributes to his high shooting percentage. While TD is typically drawing double teams and having to score quick in order to avoid them, Gasol is benefiting from the double teams that Kobe draws, particular when driving to the lane...giving Gasol wide open looks at the basket lol. Get your basketball IQ up man...
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
they scored virtually the same amount of points, while Gasol was the SECOND OPTION...Gasol also shot MUCH better percentages across the board and grabbed only 1 less board, despite playing with a much thicker front court. Gasol had the better season..Duncan was hurt half the time...dude is older now and more fragile.
lol Gasol averaged less points, boards, and blocks...while playing more minutes per game. How is that difficult to understand? lol Youre making yourself sound even more ridiculous the longer you argue. Gasol being a SECOND OPTION definetely contributes to his high shooting percentage. While TD is typically drawing double teams and having to score quick in order to avoid them, Gasol is benefiting from the double teams that Kobe draws, particular when driving to the lane...giving Gasol wide open looks at the basket lol. Get your basketball IQ up man...
you are such a fucking dumbass, daygo, i swear....LOL. Gasol had 12.9 shot attempts a game and scored 18.9. Duncan had 14.8 shot attempts and scored 19.3...really now, are you retarded? seriously? which stat looks better to you, moron? and did you ever stop to think that Duncan played 33 mins because thats all he was good for?? im sick of your pathetic shit, you try to argue the dumbest points and act like peoples valid opinions are ridiculous while doing so...STFU for once and realize how fucking stupid u look. you can say Duncan had a better season, go ahead...but tryna act like im way off for sayin Gasol had the more solid season is fuckin retarded, straight up.
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
they scored virtually the same amount of points, while Gasol was the SECOND OPTION...Gasol also shot MUCH better percentages across the board and grabbed only 1 less board, despite playing with a much thicker front court. Gasol had the better season..Duncan was hurt half the time...dude is older now and more fragile.
lol Gasol averaged less points, boards, and blocks...while playing more minutes per game. How is that difficult to understand? lol Youre making yourself sound even more ridiculous the longer you argue. Gasol being a SECOND OPTION definetely contributes to his high shooting percentage. While TD is typically drawing double teams and having to score quick in order to avoid them, Gasol is benefiting from the double teams that Kobe draws, particular when driving to the lane...giving Gasol wide open looks at the basket lol. Get your basketball IQ up man...
you are such a fucking dumbass, daygo, i swear....LOL. Gasol had 12.9 shot attempts a game and scored 18.9. Duncan had 14.8 shot attempts and scored 19.3...really now, are you retarded? seriously? which stat looks better to you, moron? and did you ever stop to think that Duncan played 33 mins because thats all he was good for?? im sick of your pathetic shit, you try to argue the dumbest points and act like peoples valid opinions are ridiculous while doing so...STFU for once and realize how fucking stupid u look. you can say Duncan had a better season, go ahead...but tryna act like im way off for sayin Gasol had the more solid season is fuckin retarded, straight up.
lol Youve set yourself up for people calling your arguments involving Lakers, ridiculous, because of allt he ridiculous arguments you make. You think every Laker is the best at his position lol. If you could make an All Star lineup for the west, it would involve 5 Lakers in the starting 5. So its no wonder people laugh at what you have to say when you make baseless claims like "Gasol had a better year then Duncan", etc. Duncan had the better numbers, point blank. Gasols only real advantage was his field goal percentage, which like I said, is highly due to Kobe drawing double teams leaving Gasol wide open under the basket. Gasol wasnt having to create for himself the way Duncan would (obviously). Pretty natural under those circumstances for Gasol to shoot better from the field. But when he scores less, rebounds less, and blocks less (this is a bigman remember), even though he is playing more minutes...doesnt equate to a better season in my book lol.
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its great when people make arguments purey on statistics. what the stats dont tell you is what correct rotations were made, who scored the baskets when they were most needed? who scored the baskets within the team offence? who boxed out so his teamate could get the easier rebound? who made the pass that led to the assist pass? who gathered his players together and made the right adjusments on the fly?
all of these things are pre-requisites of tim duncan and is why he is a future hall of famer, debatable best power forward of all time player. try not to get too caught up in stats they dont tell the entire story.
every team in the league would want tim duncan.
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Cmon NIK! There has never been a single year when Gasol was bette than TD, how can you even argue this?
they scored virtually the same amount of points, while Gasol was the SECOND OPTION...Gasol also shot MUCH better percentages across the board and grabbed only 1 less board, despite playing with a much thicker front court. Gasol had the better season..Duncan was hurt half the time...dude is older now and more fragile.
lol Gasol averaged less points, boards, and blocks...while playing more minutes per game. How is that difficult to understand? lol Youre making yourself sound even more ridiculous the longer you argue. Gasol being a SECOND OPTION definetely contributes to his high shooting percentage. While TD is typically drawing double teams and having to score quick in order to avoid them, Gasol is benefiting from the double teams that Kobe draws, particular when driving to the lane...giving Gasol wide open looks at the basket lol. Get your basketball IQ up man...
you are such a fucking dumbass, daygo, i swear....LOL. Gasol had 12.9 shot attempts a game and scored 18.9. Duncan had 14.8 shot attempts and scored 19.3...really now, are you retarded? seriously? which stat looks better to you, moron? and did you ever stop to think that Duncan played 33 mins because thats all he was good for?? im sick of your pathetic shit, you try to argue the dumbest points and act like peoples valid opinions are ridiculous while doing so...STFU for once and realize how fucking stupid u look. you can say Duncan had a better season, go ahead...but tryna act like im way off for sayin Gasol had the more solid season is fuckin retarded, straight up.
lol Youve set yourself up for people calling your arguments involving Lakers, ridiculous, because of allt he ridiculous arguments you make. You think every Laker is the best at his position lol. If you could make an All Star lineup for the west, it would involve 5 Lakers in the starting 5. So its no wonder people laugh at what you have to say when you make baseless claims like "Gasol had a better year then Duncan", etc. Duncan had the better numbers, point blank. Gasols only real advantage was his field goal percentage, which like I said, is highly due to Kobe drawing double teams leaving Gasol wide open under the basket. Gasol wasnt having to create for himself the way Duncan would (obviously). Pretty natural under those circumstances for Gasol to shoot better from the field. But when he scores less, rebounds less, and blocks less (this is a bigman remember), even though he is playing more minutes...doesnt equate to a better season in my book lol.
but acting like one had a much better season than the other is the most ridiculous thing in all this, and that's exactly what you're doing......and stop making dumbass claims that hold no merit, such as "your all-star lineup would be 5 Lakers".....that is so beyond ridiculous and only makes your argument seem weaker, because you have to make up shit to support yourself. point-blank, it is far from clear cut as to who had the better season between Gasol and Duncan, so let it go and stop going over-the-top with everything..PeACe
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its great when people make arguments purey on statistics. what the stats dont tell you is what correct rotations were made, who scored the baskets when they were most needed? who scored the baskets within the team offence? who boxed out so his teamate could get the easier rebound? who made the pass that led to the assist pass? who gathered his players together and made the right adjusments on the fly?
all of these things are pre-requisites of tim duncan and is why he is a future hall of famer, debatable best power forward of all time player. try not to get too caught up in stats they dont tell the entire story.
every team in the league would want tim duncan.
the point is, duncan had an off season by his standards, and gasol had a great one. the stats are similar (gasol shot better, had a better ft%, more steals, less turnovers and fouls..........duncan rebounded better and had more blocks...they scored the same).. neither had a MUCH better season than the other, so it's not something that isn't up for discussion like Daygo was trying his hardest to make it seem LOL
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its great when people make arguments purey on statistics. what the stats dont tell you is what correct rotations were made, who scored the baskets when they were most needed? who scored the baskets within the team offence? who boxed out so his teamate could get the easier rebound? who made the pass that led to the assist pass? who gathered his players together and made the right adjusments on the fly?
all of these things are pre-requisites of tim duncan and is why he is a future hall of famer, debatable best power forward of all time player. try not to get too caught up in stats they dont tell the entire story.
every team in the league would want tim duncan.
the point is, duncan had an off season by his standards, and gasol had a great one. the stats are similar (gasol shot better, had a better ft%, more steals, less turnovers and fouls..........duncan rebounded better and had more blocks...they scored the same).. neither had a MUCH better season than the other, so it's not something that isn't up for discussion like Daygo was trying his hardest to make it seem LOL
What u dont get is that Duncan had a better statistical year (even if it wasnt drastic), while playing less minutes. Almost all other aspects of the game will fall in Duncans favor. He is the guy the Spurs try to run the offense through, he is the guy who sets up his teammates, he is the guy who gets open looks for spot up shooters due to his presence on the court, he is the reason the Lakers even got Gasol in the first place lol.
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yeah i dont understand duncan
he seems like a hater type of player/person but somehow he pulls off plays like its nuthin (of course wit manu and paker's tricks lol)
but hes their big man campus and has been, he got drafted there and hes still there?
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yeah i dont understand duncan
he seems like a hater type of player/person but somehow he pulls off plays like its nuthin (of course wit manu and paker's tricks lol)
but hes their big man campus and has been, he got drafted there and hes still there?
huh? You lost me on that one man lol
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lol nah im sayin ive always looked at duncan as a hater, he jus seems like hes got that barry bonds attitude/entrance
but that aside, he somehow pulls off some crazy plays but of course thanx to his size he can do that
hes always been a spur right?
yeah i dont understand duncan
he seems like a hater type of player/person but somehow he pulls off plays like its nuthin (of course wit manu and paker's tricks lol)
but hes their big man campus and has been, he got drafted there and hes still there?
huh? You lost me on that one man lol
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its great when people make arguments purey on statistics. what the stats dont tell you is what correct rotations were made, who scored the baskets when they were most needed? who scored the baskets within the team offence? who boxed out so his teamate could get the easier rebound? who made the pass that led to the assist pass? who gathered his players together and made the right adjusments on the fly?
all of these things are pre-requisites of tim duncan and is why he is a future hall of famer, debatable best power forward of all time player. try not to get too caught up in stats they dont tell the entire story.
every team in the league would want tim duncan.
the point is, duncan had an off season by his standards, and gasol had a great one. the stats are similar (gasol shot better, had a better ft%, more steals, less turnovers and fouls..........duncan rebounded better and had more blocks...they scored the same).. neither had a MUCH better season than the other, so it's not something that isn't up for discussion like Daygo was trying his hardest to make it seem LOL
What u dont get is that Duncan had a better statistical year (even if it wasnt drastic), while playing less minutes. Almost all other aspects of the game will fall in Duncans favor. He is the guy the Spurs try to run the offense through, he is the guy who sets up his teammates, he is the guy who gets open looks for spot up shooters due to his presence on the court, he is the reason the Lakers even got Gasol in the first place lol.
i still dont see how Duncan had the better statistical year when they scored the same, only Pau did it on much better percentages (ft AND fg)...Duncan played less minutes, but he also had more turnovers and fouls....any way you spin it, their stats are clearly comparable and their seasons are definitely on-par with each other, so your diss to me for my opinion of Gasol's season being better was off....anyways, this all stemmed from me saying our 2nd best player is currently as good (if not better) than your 1st best....even if you dont think Gasol is better, the fact that they're comparable should make you understand why Lakers currently would be ranked a lot higher than the Spurs....PeACe
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but do you rank them higher cuz they jus won the finals?
cuz i still think lakers should/could have won last year
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but do you rank them higher cuz they jus won the finals?
cuz i still think lakers should/could have won last year
lakers are simply a better team....a better roster, better coach, fresher talent....we have all the advantages on san antonio....not to say they arent a good team, cuz they are, but i dont think theyve improved to the point where they can beat us in 7, no way.
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its impossible to gauge where san antonio really are in the pecking order. it all revolves around ginobillis health which is erratic at best.
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its impossible to gauge where san antonio really are in the pecking order. it all revolves around ginobillis health which is erratic at best.
the fact that it revolves around Ginoblis health is a big part of the reason they cant see us..
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its impossible to gauge where san antonio really are in the pecking order. it all revolves around ginobillis health which is erratic at best.
It revolved around Ginobli's health more last year, not so much this year. You gotta remember, each of the big three was out with injuries during the year last year. Had they been healthy all year they would have won 60 games. Almost for sure his minutes/game will be down and part of picking up Jefferson was to add a scoring threat similar to Ginobli. Partly just to make them stronger, partly in case Ginobli doesnt play the whole season.
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but do you rank them higher cuz they jus won the finals?
cuz i still think lakers should/could have won last year
lakers are simply a better team....a better roster, better coach, fresher talent....we have all the advantages on san antonio....not to say they arent a good team, cuz they are, but i dont think theyve improved to the point where they can beat us in 7, no way.
lol you guys are the team to beat simply because you won the title last year. 95% of analyst out there would not say the Lakers are head and shoulders above the Spurs this coming year lol You guys picked up Artest, but lost Ariza. You better hope to god Odom signs, or you guys got worse. We've had probably the best off season of any team so far with free agency, the Jefferson trade, and what we picked up in the draft. We pretty much filled every spot we were hoping to fill and got lucky with the DeJuan Blair pickup in the draft. If there is a gap between LA and SA its small at this point.
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in the last decade
how many times have they made the finals
and how many of those times did they have the same big 3?
how many times have they won the finals wit the same big 3?