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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on June 30, 2009, 09:22:49 PM
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dayum this guy is a BEAST
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and im sure we know why lol. im just saying.
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and im sure we know why lol. im just saying.
there's nothing linking him at all...i'll give him benefit of the doubt
another good sign is that he didn't test positive in 2003 according to that Roto List posted earlier but ofcourse let's not take that as gospel.
either way Pujols is a monster
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Wether he is or isn't that's the problem.The game is so tainted now that when anyone does well that's the automatic assumption.
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Has there even been real rumors about Pujols on the juice? Like that fake list, Canseco, anyone else?
I see why people would say it now, but it's just because he's big and putting up crazy numbers. He's not just a big masher, he's an amazing hitter who hits for a high average and doesn't strike out (30HR and 32SO right now :o). He's got a good eye and swings at good pitches. And it's not like he came outta nowhere, he's been like that since his rookie year in 2001. I think he's been about the same size the whole time and he's put up similar numbers year after year. If he's still on them, he's doing a hell of a job beating all the tests.
2001
(http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/pujolsud.jpg)
2009
(http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/images/stories/Modern/ud2pujols.jpg)
I'm not saying he's not on steroids, I just wouldn't be shocked if he was clean.
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maybe he is just a monster, i mean you guy really think Babe Ruth wouldn't reincarnate into somebody someday? ;D
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he's on the Juice
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I hope dude is clean.. (Baseball needs it)
But I can't help & think "Grape" or "Organge" juice. ;D
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Never been a fan of Pujols but the guy's an amazing talent, no debating that.
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they brought up an interesting debate on SportsCenter today.
he is on pace to hit 62, if he does; is he your single season homerun king, concidering he is not linked to juicing in the slightest?
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maybe he is just a monster, i mean you guy really think Babe Ruth wouldn't reincarnate into somebody someday? ;D
hahaha
and HONUS WAGNER = HANLEY REINCARNATED
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they brought up an interesting debate on SportsCenter today.
he is on pace to hit 62, if he does; is he your single season homerun king, concidering he is not linked to juicing in the slightest?
yes
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they brought up an interesting debate on SportsCenter today.
he is on pace to hit 62, if he does; is he your single season homerun king, concidering he is not linked to juicing in the slightest?
yes
i think he would be mine too; which i don't see anybody breaking (cleanly); if he even gets to it himself. :P
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(http://www.ftl.pinecrest.edu/athletics/sports_zone/teams/baseball/baseball%20quotes/Joe%20DiMaggio%20&%20Ted%20Williams.jpg)
i'll take these two gents over Pujols though
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^maybe at this moment in time; but it will be interesting to compare career numbers of the three when Big Al is done.
only player ever to hit at least 30 HR's in every season since his rookie year; going on for 9 years since yesterday. ;)
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through age 29:
batting average/ on base % / slugging %
gehrig: .343/.444/.640, 267 HR, 1,146 RBI, 1,075 runs, 182 OPS+, 806 walks, 63 SB, 3 world series titles
pujols: .334/.427/.630, 349 HR, 1,054 RBI, 1,008 runs, 172 OPS+, 756 walks, 54 SB, 1 world series title
after age 29:
lou gehrig: .336/.451/.623, 226 HR, 849 RBI, 175 OPS+
jimmie foxx: .307/.414/.568, 155 HR, 577 RBI, 153 OPS+
Frank thomas: .276/.389/.515, 264 HR, 850 RBI, 134 OPS+
just for shits and giggles
babe ruth thru age 29: .351/.482/.712, 284 HR, 889 RBI, 219 OPS+
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hes not that on that "list" hack posted right?
hes clear so far
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hes not that on that "list" hack posted right?
hes clear so far
one of the few superstars that is clean; same as Ryan Howard. ;)
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i would prefer if he just had an amazing HR streak..is that even possible? with the way he is playing? lol..anyway, i would prefer if he hit 74. :bandit:
but got damnit, i hope he is clean tho. :-\
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The real record is 73 Home Runs by Bonds. If you are going to remove that from him then you have to remove every statistic from the hundreds and hundreds of steroid users during this era and you also have to remove all of the wins by any team that every had a steroid user which would mean no team would have a single win in the last 10 years. This is the steroid era ladies and gentlemen, we cant just remove Bonds records because he was by far the best and let everything else remain like it is. Did Bonds, Arod, Clemens, Manny, etc. cheat? Yeah but so did hundreds if not thousands from this era so why just penalize the best ones?
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^good point.
Bonds is the HR king until somehow somebody hits 74.
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The real record is 73 Home Runs by Bonds. If you are going to remove that from him then you have to remove every statistic from the hundreds and hundreds of steroid users during this era and you also have to remove all of the wins by any team that every had a steroid user which would mean no team would have a single win in the last 10 years. This is the steroid era ladies and gentlemen, we cant just remove Bonds records because he was by far the best and let everything else remain like it is. Did Bonds, Arod, Clemens, Manny, etc. cheat? Yeah but so did hundreds if not thousands from this era so why just penalize the best ones?
the REAL record is 61
the M.L.B. recognized record is 73 ;)
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wait whats this number from tho ? (as in when)
^good point.
Bonds is the HR king until somehow somebody hits 74.
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wait whats this number from tho ? (as in when)
^good point.
Bonds is the HR king until somehow somebody hits 74.
bonds hit 73 in the year 2001
mcgwire had hit 70 in 1998...and Sosa's hit 66 before.
it's funny...people call bonds the best HR hitter or whatever beacuse he amassed HAnk Aaron , but yet he's only had one season with 50 homers. sosa and mcgwire both had multipe years with 60 homers...i think sosa had 3!! arods had 3 years with 50 homers
look at the 3 people under Bonds...and lets consider the era's they played in (Babe Ruth in 450 foot stadiums & spitballs not being outlawed until 1931), Hank Aaron (playing in the offensively challenged 1960's and 1970s) and Willie Mays (same challanges as Aaron)
I think historically the best HR hitters were 1 Ruth, 2 Mantle (too bad he was a drunk), 3 Josh Gibson (negro leagues ofcourse), and then from then on i can't really rank these guys: Aaron,, Mays, McGwire*, Bonds*, A-rod* (shortstop with 50 HRs? wtf), Gehrig and Foxx. and Ted Williams to a certain degree, but he was more of an all around hitter than a HR hitter.
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but wait the number they hit doesnt matter if they "cheated" right?
as in if they cheated but got the most hr's it dont matter?
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but wait the number they hit doesnt matter if they "cheated" right?
as in if they cheated but got the most hr's it dont matter?
lol it just means that at a time when ballparks are only 300 feet, the balls are juiced & the players are juiced....home runs became easier to hit from 1990-2004 lol. you had a shortstop hitting 57 home runs! lol
MLB really needs to make all teams push the fences back ATLEAST 325 feet at the foul poul....maybe even further to me.
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
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...and add another one, down 3-0 in the top of the 8th hit hits a grand slam. :o
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2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
most likely..unless he gets hurt or gets caught trying to get pregnant like manny. lol
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
most likely..unless he gets hurt or gets caught trying to get pregnant like manny. lol
he said in a recent interview that "I hit the gym almost everyday in the off season & put so much work in & it's paying off".
they said Barry Bonds said something very similar in response to his 73 HR season & we know how that was accomplished. :P
i'm sure plenty of people say something like that, but i hope it doesn't lead to a Bonds case. :-X
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
most likely..unless he gets hurt or gets caught trying to get pregnant like manny. lol
he said in a recent interview that "I hit the gym almost everyday in the off season & put so much work in & it's paying off".
they said Barry Bonds said something very similar in response to his 73 HR season & we know how that was accomplished. :P
i'm sure plenty of people say something like that, but i hope it doesn't lead to a Bonds case. :-X
pujols is one of my favorites, so i hope not, either...but thats the day we live in now. every time someone does this, there will be doubts. sad but true.
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
most likely..unless he gets hurt or gets caught trying to get pregnant like manny. lol
he said in a recent interview that "I hit the gym almost everyday in the off season & put so much work in & it's paying off".
they said Barry Bonds said something very similar in response to his 73 HR season & we know how that was accomplished. :P
i'm sure plenty of people say something like that, but i hope it doesn't lead to a Bonds case. :-X
pujols is one of my favorites, so i hope not, either...but thats the day we live in now. every time someone does this, there will be doubts. sad but true.
80% of me thinks he's clean, but because of the times at least 20% of me has to question him.
Ryan Howard too. :-X
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but anyone on that "list" wont be in the hall of fame right?
not true, some will get in.
2-5, 1 homer and 1 double, 5 RBI
damn
MVP! :o
most likely..unless he gets hurt or gets caught trying to get pregnant like manny. lol
he said in a recent interview that "I hit the gym almost everyday in the off season & put so much work in & it's paying off".
they said Barry Bonds said something very similar in response to his 73 HR season & we know how that was accomplished. :P
i'm sure plenty of people say something like that, but i hope it doesn't lead to a Bonds case. :-X
pujols is one of my favorites, so i hope not, either...but thats the day we live in now. every time someone does this, there will be doubts. sad but true.
80% of me thinks he's clean, but because of the times at least 20% of me has to question him.
Ryan Howard too. :-X
you gotta wonder about everyone who hits like this year in and year out...but you would think that if they were using something, they would be caught by now. maybe they could slip by one year, but 5, 6, 7, years in a row? eventually the doubt has to evaporate.
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^no doubt, he's been hitting like this since his rookie year; maybe just a natural born monster.
but i mean look at Manny; that was a shocker.
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^no doubt, he's been hitting like this since his rookie year; maybe just a natural born monster.
but i mean look at Manny; that was a shocker.
true. :(
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Fuck this steroid era!! Fuck this and yeah Im drunk and a Bonds homer but all I know is Barry Bonds was the shit before steroids so I dont give a shit about this crap. Barry was already a all time great before he cheated like everyone else so fuck ya'll!! Let me know when Pujols wins 8 gold gloves or steals 500 bases 8)
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Fuck this steroid era!! Fuck this and yeah Im drunk and a Bonds homer but all I know is Barry Bonds was the shit before steroids so I dont give a shit about this crap. Barry was already a all time great before he cheated like everyone else so fuck ya'll!! Let me know when Pujols wins 8 gold gloves or steals 500 bases 8)
1-gold gloves = worthless (palmeiro won a GG playing 29 games defense and 100+ games as the DH
2-who needs 500 stolen bases when you can slug .630 without steroids? :D
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Gold Gloves are not worthless when you win 8 of them as an Outfielder and how in the hell are you so sure that Pujols has always been clean?
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Gold Gloves are not worthless when you win 8 of them as an Outfielder and how in the hell are you so sure that Pujols has always been clean?
1-gold gloves as a LEFT FIELDER are worthless....tha'ts the easiest position on the entire field to play. at first base, 95% of plays go through YOU. left field is the least popular outfield spot...these are just facts my friend.
winning a left field GG is like winning the retarded spelling bee contest - if you were a better athlete than a LF you'd be playing center or infield
notice how most fo the best defensive outfielders spent time at center (speaker, dimaggio, mays, suzuki etc)
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I have to disagree hack, LF is a tougher position to play than Right. They also don't choose gold gloves by each specific outfield position, they choose the 3 best defensive outfielders regardless of their positions. Come on man you cant possibly be comparing Pujols tools to Bonds 5 tools.
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nah man...ofcourse bonds pre-steroids was a better runner
but pujols plays some of the best first base defense, hits for a much higher average and much much more power
bonds pre-steroids averaged about .285 a year....and as of right now we have nothing to prove Pujols is linked to roids so he's innocent as of the moment
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^^Well I think Pujols is a real good defender at first and definitely agree with you about that. Lets also remember though that the power surge in Baseball came around 1997 and 1998, Bonds played the majority of his career before those years and also won 3 MVP's by the end of the 1993 season. It's just a shame that the majority of people dont realize what an amazing player Bonds was pre steroids and how he still could of easily ended up with 600 Home Runs and 600 Stolen bases w/out the juice but then again Bonds has only himself to blame. He was a moron to cheat because he was already the best player in the world, I understand cheating if you are stuck in the minor leagues but when you are the best like Bonds it makes no sense, he was a moron. I say the same thing about Clemens, he was already a legend before he juiced, why did he possibly feel like he needed to cheat? I guess the answer for both of them was to play longer at a higher level, damn shame.
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I have to disagree hack, LF is a tougher position to play than Right. They also don't choose gold gloves by each specific outfield position, they choose the 3 best defensive outfielders regardless of their positions. Come on man you cant possibly be comparing Pujols tools to Bonds 5 tools.
Yeah I gotta agree on that one, Pujols is amazing at the plate but Bonds fielding/speed makes him the much better 5 tool player (pre roid days)
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^^Well I think Pujols is a real good defender at first and definitely agree with you about that. Lets also remember though that the power surge in Baseball came around 1997 and 1998, Bonds played the majority of his career before those years and also won 3 MVP's by the end of the 1993 season. It's just a shame that the majority of people dont realize what an amazing player Bonds was pre steroids and how he still could of easily ended up with 600 Home Runs and 600 Stolen bases w/out the juice but then again Bonds has only himself to blame. He was a moron to cheat because he was already the best player in the world, I understand cheating if you are stuck in the minor leagues but when you are the best like Bonds it makes no sense, he was a moron. I say the same thing about Clemens, he was already a legend before he juiced, why did he possibly feel like he needed to cheat? I guess the answer for both of them was to play longer at a higher level, damn shame.
bonds on steroids was the best of all steroid users...and the best offensive force outside of Ruth/Gehrig ever (excluding the best years of Teddy Ballgame (1941) and Ty Cobb (1911)). i've also read some articles by stat-nerds stating that Honus Wagner's 1908 season was better than any season by Ruth/Bonds/Williams/anybody else .....I kinda don't buy into that though. I think Ruth's 1921 was clearly head and shoulders above Wagner or anyone else's best season. but, just like assholes, we all got our own opinions and they stank LOLz
but bonds pre-steroids was not better offensively than GRiffey Jr. or frank thomas....and maybe jeff bagwell at his best.
but bonds was the best NL outfielder until Sosa came along in 1998....and bonds got jealous and started shootin up them roids to be able to compete again
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i correct myself...bonds without steroids was .290 batting average it looks like (according to the game of shadows)
bonds pre roids: .290/.411/.556, 411 homers, 1216 RBI, 445 SB's, 164 OPS+ in 6,621 at-bats.
bonds on roids: .316/.505/.712, 351 homres, 780 RBI, 69 SB's, 214 OPS+ in 3,226 at-bats
lol and ppl try to tell us steroids have little effect - when used properly they have great effect
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so bonds was on roids for 8 years
thats STILL not the best 8 year span in MLB history :D
babe ruth 1920-1927: .361/.498/.750, 367 homers, 1,039 RBI's, 79 stolen bases, 220 OPS+ :D
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^^Where did you get 8 years from Hack? Game of Shadows and the governments case clearly say Bonds was using from 1999-2004. Well that is 5 to 6 years lol but not 8. The only player comparable to Bonds in the 90's was Griffey and thats it. A lot of people will tell you Jr. was better while a lot of people will tell you Barry was better. Jr. was far more popular so that worked to his advantage.
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The people that use steroids have to workout extra hard than your typical athlete in order for the drug to work to its full potential.
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steroids stay in your ststem up to 12 months
so if he indeed quit in 2004 then that means he still had them helping him for another yeawr....2005 (which i think he was hurt most of right?)
either way he cant fuck with george herman ruth thats for sho. and ken griffey in MY opinion was prretty over-rated - a great HR hitter and CFer but not an all time great
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hack
all the players that used the roids, did they hit more hr's compared to when they werent usin it?
(and overall how different did they play when takin it and when not)
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hack
all the players that used the roids, did they hit more hr's compared to when they werent usin it?
(and overall how different did they play when takin it and when not)
my alma-matter's ex baseball coach (John Winkin) is an 87 year old who's been around the world of baseball for 50 years
this includes coaching the 1983 USA olympic team with a PITCHER named Mark Mcgwire & coaching against Barry bonds's college Arizona State in the College world series
i interviewd him for our radio station 2 years ago and he told me the following:
1-a scout/friend told him Mark McGwire would not make it as a pitcher, but "had a chance as a hitter"
2-after getting to know McGwire, he doesn't think McGwire would taken anything w/o consulting a doctor
3-Barry Bonds was already a known asshole before he hit MLB...Bonds and Oddibe McDowell were the 2 hot prospects on that team and Winkin said he KNEW atleast 1 of them would pan out
as far as how they'd do without steroids, who the hell knows. Bonds's career would've declined with maybe 500-550 home runs and a career .275-.280 batting average
mcgwire's career without roids may never have lasted...if he got into roids his rookie year which i say probably happened, then dude was a sham because the ONLY thing he was good at besides walking was hitting HR's
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damn you seem to know alot bout this stuff, but damn its complicated
hack
all the players that used the roids, did they hit more hr's compared to when they werent usin it?
(and overall how different did they play when takin it and when not)
my alma-matter's ex baseball coach (John Winkin) is an 87 year old who's been around the world of baseball for 50 years
this includes coaching the 1983 USA olympic team with a PITCHER named Mark Mcgwire & coaching against Barry bonds's college Arizona State in the College world series
i interviewd him for our radio station 2 years ago and he told me the following:
1-a scout/friend told him Mark McGwire would not make it as a pitcher, but "had a chance as a hitter"
2-after getting to know McGwire, he doesn't think McGwire would taken anything w/o consulting a doctor
3-Barry Bonds was already a known asshole before he hit MLB...Bonds and Oddibe McDowell were the 2 hot prospects on that team and Winkin said he KNEW atleast 1 of them would pan out
as far as how they'd do without steroids, who the hell knows. Bonds's career would've declined with maybe 500-550 home runs and a career .275-.280 batting average
mcgwire's career without roids may never have lasted...if he got into roids his rookie year which i say probably happened, then dude was a sham because the ONLY thing he was good at besides walking was hitting HR's
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i know everything my son 8)
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u got a radio show hack?
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Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
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wait do you think he used them or didnt?
Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
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wait do you think he used them or didnt?
Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
It's fairly obvious that he started using around 1999 or 2000 until 2004. It is more obvious though that he was already a sure hall of famer and one of the best players of all time before he used the drugs in the late 90's. I think he definitely would have hit 600 Home runs along with 600 stolen bases if he never juiced but I can admit that he would not have broke the HR record.
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wait do you think he used them or didnt?
Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
It's fairly obvious that he started using around 1999 or 2000 until 2004. It is more obvious though that he was already a sure hall of famer and one of the best players of all time before he used the drugs in the late 90's. I think he definitely would have hit 600 Home runs along with 600 stolen bases if he never juiced but I can admit that he would not have broke the HR record.
it was his own selfishness that made him and all other roid users, turn to PED.
you said it, he was already one of the greats...so why did he use? cause he wanted to be THE GOAT. what is he now? blackballed from the mlb, and most likely, will never get into the HOF.
be ya a million bux, if he could go back in time, he would of never even thought of PEDs.
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but thats what im gettin at,
is it the drugs thats makin them the best
or
could they be hittin the ball that far without them drugs?
wait do you think he used them or didnt?
Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
It's fairly obvious that he started using around 1999 or 2000 until 2004. It is more obvious though that he was already a sure hall of famer and one of the best players of all time before he used the drugs in the late 90's. I think he definitely would have hit 600 Home runs along with 600 stolen bases if he never juiced but I can admit that he would not have broke the HR record.
it was his own selfishness that made him and all other roid users, turn to PED.
you said it, he was already one of the greats...so why did he use? cause he wanted to be THE GOAT. what is he now? blackballed from the mlb, and most likely, will never get into the HOF.
be ya a million bux, if he could go back in time, he would of never even thought of PEDs.
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^^Think about the fact that there were a large number of players that were caught up in balco and accused of taking the same exact drugs that Bonds took and they could barely even stay in the major leagues. Marvin Benard, Jeremy Giambi, Bobby Estella, Randy Velarde, etc all took what Bonds took and they were bench players at best. What steroids did for Bonds was enable him to play at a high level late in his career when he should have been falling off a bit, in no way did steroids teach Bonds to hit because he was already a baseball legend and extremely accomplished before he used them.
Wykid is right, Bonds was a moron for doing this because he was already the best. If he could go back in time there is no doubt he would not of chose to do this.
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aite i feel what your sayin
and the reason he chose to take them are:
(isnt he the one that said he didnt take em knowingly if he did)
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Yeah he said is he didnt know what he is taking which is complete bs
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but thats what im gettin at,
is it the drugs thats makin them the best
or
could they be hittin the ball that far without them drugs?
wait do you think he used them or didnt?
Hack that is a lot of speculation and opinion on your beliefs about Bonds career if he never used steroids.
It's fairly obvious that he started using around 1999 or 2000 until 2004. It is more obvious though that he was already a sure hall of famer and one of the best players of all time before he used the drugs in the late 90's. I think he definitely would have hit 600 Home runs along with 600 stolen bases if he never juiced but I can admit that he would not have broke the HR record.
it was his own selfishness that made him and all other roid users, turn to PED.
you said it, he was already one of the greats...so why did he use? cause he wanted to be THE GOAT. what is he now? blackballed from the mlb, and most likely, will never get into the HOF.
be ya a million bux, if he could go back in time, he would of never even thought of PEDs.
steroids wont help you hit a curve ball...it wont help your hand eye coordination. players use em cause it allows you to work out longer and harder. thus making you much much stronger.
if someone hits 25 home runs in a season, without steroids or any other PED, he might hit 40 WITH the PEDs. routine fly balls will start clearing the fence. weak grounders will turn into line drives. etc etc.
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bonds wasn't close to being a .300 hitter before steroids
this is all fact
bonds had the best chemists helping him BTW...not like he had jim the traffic construction flagger helping him
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bonds wasn't close to being a .300 hitter before steroids
this is all fact
bonds had the best chemists helping him BTW...not like he had jim the traffic construction flagger helping him
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir
What do you mean, he wasn't close? lol
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bonds wasn't close to being a .300 hitter before steroids
this is all fact
bonds had the best chemists helping him BTW...not like he had jim the traffic construction flagger helping him
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir
What do you mean, he wasn't close? lol
do you not know how math works?
his career avergage THROUGH 1998 was .290
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir#1986-1998-sum:batting_standard
now, .297 or .298, that's close
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Hack you are way off here. That average is from his first 4 years as major leaguer in Pittsburg, from 1990-1998 he was a .300 hitter that also won 3 mvp's, all of this is pre steroids. Everyone knows that before steroids Bonds was still one of the best ever. Now would he have hit 750 hr? Nah but he still would of went down as one of the best 5 or 10 players of all time.
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1990 - .301 avg
1991- .292 avg
1992- .311 avg
1993- .336 avg
1994- .312 avg
1995- .294 avg
1996- .308 avg
1997- .291 avg
1998- .303 avg
PRE STEROIDS
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Look at these years from Bonds that also occured before the power surge in Baseball that came in 1998 and after,
1990- .301avg, 33HR, 114 RBI, 52SB
1993- .336avg, 46HR, 123 RBI, 29SB
1996- .308avg, 42HR, 129 RBI, 40SB
This is all pre steroids and before the power surge that hit Baseball in late 90's!
Bonds was also magnificent in 1991,1992, 1994 and 1995.
Bonds pre-steroids = Top 5 Talent ever and top 5 player of all time 8)
Talk about 5 tools, god damn he was sick
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how do you know he didnt use roids earlier in his career? the power surge in 01 doesnt mean he didnt touch them before that.
its not like steroid use in baseball started in the late 90s.
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how do you know he didnt use roids earlier in his career? the power surge in 01 doesnt mean he didnt touch them before that.
its not like steroid use in baseball started in the late 90s.
LOL are you serious? This has nothing too do with the power surge, read Game of Shadows and read the government's case. Up until 1999 Bonds body was always the same, a skinny twig and then all of a sudden in 99/2000 Bonds put on 30 lbs of muscle out of nowhere and his ab to HR ratio went way up. It is one thing to hate Bonds but now to try too accuse him of steroid use pre 1999 is just laughable and plain hate. Everyone knows he was clean until 1999. Look at pics at him from 1986 until 1998, they all look the same which is skinny as shit and then look at his pics from 1999 and beyond. Add to that the fact that his Home Runs per ab's went way up starting in 1999 when he got so much larger. If that is not enough proof than read Game of shadows and the governments case against him. It is a FACT that Bonds was clean until 1999, it is not debated by ANYONE.
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http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1640086_1640085,00.html
Take a look at this website. Now look at the pictures from 1986 until 1999 and then look at the pics from 1999 and beyond.
2 things are obvious, Bonds was clean before 1999 as he never changed a bit and then in 2000 he looked like a different person and was obviously on something
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how do you know he didnt use roids earlier in his career? the power surge in 01 doesnt mean he didnt touch them before that.
its not like steroid use in baseball started in the late 90s.
LOL are you serious? This has nothing too do with the power surge, read Game of Shadows and read the government's case. Up until 1999 Bonds body was always the same, a skinny twig and then all of a sudden in 99/2000 Bonds put on 30 lbs of muscle out of nowhere and his ab to HR ratio went way up. It is one thing to hate Bonds but now to try too accuse him of steroid use pre 1999 is just laughable and plain hate. Everyone knows he was clean until 1999. Look at pics at him from 1986 until 1998, they all look the same which is skinny as shit and then look at his pics from 1999 and beyond. Add to that the fact that his Home Runs per ab's went way up starting in 1999 when he got so much larger. If that is not enough proof than read Game of shadows and the governments case against him. It is a FACT that Bonds was clean until 1999, it is not debated by ANYONE.
where am i accusing him? i simply asked a question.
if you plan on being a lawyer, you have to go with WHATS THERE, not with what you *think* i meant or implied.
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Read Game of Shadows and you will see that this is not what I think, it is fact.
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Read Game of Shadows and you will see that this is not what I think, it is fact.
i meant what it is you THOUGHT i implied with that question.
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bonds wasn't close to being a .300 hitter before steroids
this is all fact
bonds had the best chemists helping him BTW...not like he had jim the traffic construction flagger helping him
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir
What do you mean, he wasn't close? lol
do you not know how math works?
his career avergage THROUGH 1998 was .290
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir#1986-1998-sum:batting_standard
now, .297 or .298, that's close
let's have it your say, he's ONLY a .290 hitter, with a ridiculously high walk rate that is way above average and only elite players were able to have.
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Hack you are way off here. That average is from his first 4 years as major leaguer in Pittsburg, from 1990-1998 he was a .300 hitter that also won 3 mvp's, all of this is pre steroids. Everyone knows that before steroids Bonds was still one of the best ever. Now would he have hit 750 hr? Nah but he still would of went down as one of the best 5 or 10 players of all time.
his CAREER AVERAGE was .290
that is far from .300
.296 or .297...now thats close
not to take away from his 3 MVP's in the early 90's or his great basestealing abilities ofcourse
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80 hits is such a small number of hits in over 9000 plate appearances to be using for any sort of analysis and complaint about steroids. What steroids did allow Bonds to do is increase his walk rate and power rate, as he aged. The difference in BA shouldn't be mentioned. This is just more proof that BA doesn't tell enough information on a better and and that stat alone should never be used to judge a player.