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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: J Nook on July 24, 2009, 09:44:05 PM
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Haha,i know this is very similar to my pac and snoop tracks thread but all these recent leaks have left me eager and wondering wat other great songs are just collecting dust in the vaults. So..i Know of calafornia love,calafornia love remix and cant c me.are these the only tracks pac and dre did together?Once again i seen a few lists of unleaked pac songs,and im not sure if they are legit or not..but it said the beat at the end of calafornia love was a track called nightmares that pac and dre did,then there was another 2pac track titled "champagne",which was supposedly produced by dre..and then ofcourse teh OG version of blunt time,which apparently featured rage and dre..does anyone know if these tracks are real?..has dre ever mentioned how many tracks he did with pac?
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Cmon now,this is dubcnn!..someones got 2 have some info or insight on this
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ask this question on my site.
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Haha,i know this is very similar to my pac and snoop tracks thread but all these recent leaks have left me eager and wondering wat other great songs are just collecting dust in the vaults. So..i Know of calafornia love,calafornia love remix and cant c me.are these the only tracks pac and dre did together?Once again i seen a few lists of unleaked pac songs,and im not sure if they are legit or not..but it said the beat at the end of calafornia love was a track called nightmares that pac and dre did,then there was another 2pac track titled "champagne",which was supposedly produced by dre..and then ofcourse teh OG version of blunt time,which apparently featured rage and dre..does anyone know if these tracks are real?..has dre ever mentioned how many tracks he did with pac?
Blunt Tyme is real, I can't confirm the rest. Los Skanless is full of shit, so don't believe what you hear from DeathRowForum.
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There's a lot of madeup tracks floating around different boards and people assuming certain tracks were made cause they were on one of Pac's tentative idea lists for an album.
Here's the deal.. Dre wasn't happy around the time Pac showed up at Death Row. Dre did not want Pac on Cali Love. Pac wanted that track bad, a compromise was made for a remix version to be on Pac's album so Dre could release the original on his album. Dre wanted that song on one of his album's so bad he even wanted to use it after he left Death Row.
Sam Sneed and Sean "Barney" Thomas were Dre's production people at the time, with Carl 'Butch' Small, Soopafly, and Stu Bullard doing keyboards and percussion.
Dre works very slow, Pac works very fast. Dre was amazed by how fast Pac worked. Pac needed an album out quick and got frustrated when things got slow in the studio.
Dre wanted to release the Chronic 2 and the Helter Skelter project. Dre did not have much as far as beats in the Death Row vault and yes Suge and his goons made a visit to Dre's Crib before the final sign off to retrieve the masters.
Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
So there you go, you can draw some conclusions from that. I highly doubt there are any other Dre & Pac collaborations. Blunt Tyme is a real song, but a real song with Pac on it? I doubt it.
Champagne is fake. Afterlyfe is fake. Any tracklisting you find on the net that lists songs you never heard is likely fake, there's about three I think of from the last 10+ years.
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Sam Sneed and Sean "Barney" Thomas were Dre's production people at the time, with Carl 'Butch' Small, Soopafly, and Stu Bullard doing keyboards and percussion.
Stu apparently has co-production credits on Blunt Tyme - the DR version. I asked him about it and Ghetto Fabulous and never got a response. Lol.
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pac hated gay dre, he never wanted to work with him
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Also.. Pac first heard 'Got My Mind Made Up' at Dre's Crib and Dre told Pac that was his beat.
Daz left the master over at Dre's Crib during the Dogg Food sessions which then became a Dogg Food leftover. This is when shit headed south.
Hence Pac's line on Watch Ya Mouth about Dre not doing a beat in 6 years... (haven't done a beat at Death Row)
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Sam Sneed and Sean "Barney" Thomas were Dre's production people at the time, with Carl 'Butch' Small, Soopafly, and Stu Bullard doing keyboards and percussion.
Stu apparently has co-production credits on Blunt Tyme - the DR version. I asked him about it and Ghetto Fabulous and never got a response. Lol.
Too bad, he's definitely a talented producer. It would of sucked deciding whether to stay at Death Row or goto Aftermath back then especially as a producer.
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Sam Sneed and Sean "Barney" Thomas were Dre's production people at the time, with Carl 'Butch' Small, Soopafly, and Stu Bullard doing keyboards and percussion.
Stu apparently has co-production credits on Blunt Tyme - the DR version. I asked him about it and Ghetto Fabulous and never got a response. Lol.
Too bad, he's definitely a talented producer. It would of sucked deciding whether to stay at Death Row or goto Aftermath back then especially as a producer.
Indeed, it's a shame his career never blossomed either afterward. I think Mel-Man and Bud'da got more props than he did.
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did any one got "bury me a g" with dre beat,from some soundtrack..sum shit like that
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Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
If I'm not mistaken in an early 1994 Dr. Dre interview with some UK magazine they talk about the Helter Skelter album and Can't See Me is mentioned as one of the tracks on that album.
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Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
If I'm not mistaken in an early 1994 Dr. Dre interview with some UK magazine they talk about the Helter Skelter album and Can't See Me is mentioned as one of the tracks on that album.
Do you know the magazine? It would seem strange the track would get abandoned for that project and then done by the Dogg Pound so soon.
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Haha,i know this is very similar to my pac and snoop tracks thread but all these recent leaks have left me eager and wondering wat other great songs are just collecting dust in the vaults. So..i Know of calafornia love,calafornia love remix and cant c me.are these the only tracks pac and dre did together?Once again i seen a few lists of unleaked pac songs,and im not sure if they are legit or not..but it said the beat at the end of calafornia love was a track called nightmares that pac and dre did,then there was another 2pac track titled "champagne",which was supposedly produced by dre..and then ofcourse teh OG version of blunt time,which apparently featured rage and dre..does anyone know if these tracks are real?..has dre ever mentioned how many tracks he did with pac?
The Nightmares thing isn't legit. Bud'da did that beat. Lol.
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Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
If I'm not mistaken in an early 1994 Dr. Dre interview with some UK magazine they talk about the Helter Skelter album and Can't See Me is mentioned as one of the tracks on that album.
Do you know the magazine? It would seem strange the track would get abandoned for that project and then done by the Dogg Pound so soon.
I was in the UK at that time when I read it but that was 15 years ago so I don't remember the name of that magazine.
My guess is when it became clear the Helter Skelter thing wasn't going to happen anytime soon Daz and Kurupt just laid their vocals down which had to be sometime during the first half of 95, the beat itself must have been made somewhere in late 93/very early 94 but I'm not 100% sure ofcourse.
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Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
If I'm not mistaken in an early 1994 Dr. Dre interview with some UK magazine they talk about the Helter Skelter album and Can't See Me is mentioned as one of the tracks on that album.
Do you know the magazine? It would seem strange the track would get abandoned for that project and then done by the Dogg Pound so soon.
I was in the UK at that time when I read it but that was 15 years ago so I don't remember the name of that magazine.
My guess is when it became clear the Helter Skelter thing wasn't going to happen anytime soon Daz and Kurupt just laid their vocals down which had to be sometime during the first half of 95, the beat itself must have been made somewhere in late 93/very early 94 but I'm not 100% sure ofcourse.
it will have been Hip Hop Connection. i'm sure Chad Vader has a scan somewhere.
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did any one got "bury me a g" with dre beat,from some soundtrack..sum shit like that
stretch and 2pac made "bury me a g" beat (thug music = 2pac/stretch)
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Didn't Dre do Toss It Up ?
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There's a lot of madeup tracks floating around different boards and people assuming certain tracks were made cause they were on one of Pac's tentative idea lists for an album.
Here's the deal.. Dre wasn't happy around the time Pac showed up at Death Row. Dre did not want Pac on Cali Love. Pac wanted that track bad, a compromise was made for a remix version to be on Pac's album so Dre could release the original on his album. Dre wanted that song on one of his album's so bad he even wanted to use it after he left Death Row.
Sam Sneed and Sean "Barney" Thomas were Dre's production people at the time, with Carl 'Butch' Small, Soopafly, and Stu Bullard doing keyboards and percussion.
Dre works very slow, Pac works very fast. Dre was amazed by how fast Pac worked. Pac needed an album out quick and got frustrated when things got slow in the studio.
Dre wanted to release the Chronic 2 and the Helter Skelter project. Dre did not have much as far as beats in the Death Row vault and yes Suge and his goons made a visit to Dre's Crib before the final sign off to retrieve the masters.
Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
So there you go, you can draw some conclusions from that. I highly doubt there are any other Dre & Pac collaborations. Blunt Tyme is a real song, but a real song with Pac on it? I doubt it.
Champagne is fake. Afterlyfe is fake. Any tracklisting you find on the net that lists songs you never heard is likely fake, there's about three I think of from the last 10+ years.
Damn.....Dre really has bitch ass ways about him.......Imagine if he was real as fuck, and still possessed that talent he has.......I think his music would change the world
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did any one got "bury me a g" with dre beat,from some soundtrack..sum shit like that
stretch and 2pac made "bury me a g" beat (thug music = 2pac/stretch)
thats whats up.
"afterlife" ft. allanis morrisette isnt real?
Can´C Me (still cant undastand why its spelled with "c" ??? )
California Love
Blunt Tyme (never-heard og)
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And of course there's the remix of "California Love", which i myself like more than the original version these days.
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The Nightmares thing isn't legit. Bud'da did that beat. Lol.
What else do you know that beat was it an actual track or what? that beat is so fucking hot always wondered if there was more to it.
And of course there's the remix of "California Love", which i myself like more than the original version these days.
Never that. I get that the original cali love might be played out, but that beat really is a masterpiece and pac + dre in a song about cali....thats a wrap.
I still remember getting AEOM and being like what the fuck? why is there a remix on here? that song was like the single of the year and they put a remix of it on the album, that made no sense.
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The Nightmares thing isn't legit. Bud'da did that beat. Lol.
What else do you know that beat was it an actual track or what? that beat is so fucking hot always wondered if there was more to it.
This is what Bud'da's Myspace says...
After a successful launch, the critically acclaimed Dr. Dre wanted to bring Bud’da even further into the history of hip hop by featuring snippets of a Bud’da produced track in the beginning and at the end of the hit video known to be the West Side’s theme song “California Love” featuring the late Tupac Shakur.
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I think the only confirmed tracks were
California Love (Originally a Dr. Dre OG track with 3 Dr. Dre verses)
California Love (Remix) (done after 2pac had received the track. Basically uses different samples, and as a lengthy outro)
Can't see Me (Heltah Skeltah beat, never used for the album, give into the 2pac project)
Toss it up (OG) - This 1 was originally going to be for Makaveli Album, but when Dre left Death Row he sold it, which prompted the diss at the end of the track now.
I think he mostly produced tracks for The Chronic 2 Poppa's Got a Brand New Funk (which was 12 tracks, and 4 inserts), Heltah Skeltah, and supposedly for Death Row East (featuring a East Style).
Can't see me was a Heltah Skeltah Beat, but I honestly don't think it would of made the cut regardless. The HS album was going to be a apocalyptic End of the world type gangsta rap is dead type deal (think Natural born killaz, but as a full album).
Dr. Dre stopped producing for death row around 1993 (After snoops album) and Daz was becoming the main producer, and Dr. Dre was working on his own select projects (second Solo Album, the Collaboration with DOC and Ice Cube).
Suge forced Dr. Dre to give up California Love (OG) and put it into the tupac project (along with other artist).
Since DOC became enraged during the HS sessions he stole the material and left to make his own version. In the end Dr. Dre didn't produce much for other artist near the end.
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I think the only confirmed tracks were
California Love (Originally a Dr. Dre OG track with 3 Dr. Dre verses)
California Love (Remix) (done after 2pac had received the track. Basically uses different samples, and as a lengthy outro)
Can't see Me (Heltah Skeltah beat, never used for the album, give into the 2pac project)
Toss it up (OG) - This 1 was originally going to be for Makaveli Album, but when Dre left Death Row he sold it, which prompted the diss at the end of the track now.
I think he mostly produced tracks for The Chronic 2 Poppa's Got a Brand New Funk (which was 12 tracks, and 4 inserts), Heltah Skeltah, and supposedly for Death Row East (featuring a East Style).
Can't see me was a Heltah Skeltah Beat, but I honestly don't think it would of made the cut regardless. The HS album was going to be a apocalyptic End of the world type gangsta rap is dead type deal (think Natural born killaz, but as a full album).
Dr. Dre stopped producing for death row around 1993 (After snoops album) and Daz was becoming the main producer, and Dr. Dre was working on his own select projects (second Solo Album, the Collaboration with DOC and Ice Cube).
Suge forced Dr. Dre to give up California Love (OG) and put it into the tupac project (along with other artist).
Since DOC became enraged during the HS sessions he stole the material and left to make his own version. In the end Dr. Dre didn't produce much for other artist near the end.
Toss It Up - Originally was not a 2Pac track with Pac doing only the first verse. Suge wanted Pac to put it on Makaveli and the second verse was recorded and mixed in. Dre did not produce this beat (as with many Death Row beats) but a new person within his production camp and Dre still had the sample which Teddy Riley remixed later. The diss at the end is toward Biggie, "yeah buddie we took your beat, cause you wasn't rockin right, all that peace talk, kiss my ass from here to across the street boy, it's on," in reference to the Hit Em Up beat copying the Junior Mafia song Get Money. Pac also references this at the House of Blues Concert before he performs Hit Em Up.
There's some more inaccuracies as well. Suge never forced Dre to give up Cali Love. Pac visited Dre at his house where his studio was at. Pac got Dre to put on him that track after compromising with Dre, Pac and Dre were on good terms in the early days. It wasn't til Pac found out about Dre taking credit for stuff he didn't do that set off the bad vibe, then leaving Death Row was the icing on the cake.
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did any one got "bury me a g" with dre beat,from some soundtrack..sum shit like that
stretch and 2pac made "bury me a g" beat (thug music = 2pac/stretch)
i heard some remix from i think bad boy's soundtrack.. he's rapping somthing abaut hearts stop ;D
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so this nightmare trak prodcued by budda, whos featured on this trak?
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so this nightmare trak prodcued by budda, whos featured on this trak?
good question.
it was for "heltah skeltah" right?did some1 ever hear it?
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I dont know if u guyz is bein pescimistic because ur tryn to get shit leaked or not, but lemme just say that ive been a fan since tha whole internet hype started, and tha Makaveli list has been true for what i have seen, every song has came out since it was on tha list. Or several lists.
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did any one got "bury me a g" with dre beat,from some soundtrack..sum shit like that
stretch and 2pac made "bury me a g" beat (thug music = 2pac/stretch)
thats whats up.
"afterlife" ft. allanis morrisette isnt real?
Can´C Me (still cant undastand why its spelled with "c" ??? )
California Love
Blunt Tyme (never-heard og)
It's called Can't C Me because it was going to be a Dogg Pound track. DPG repped the Crips so using the letter C instead of the word See is just a shoutout to the Crips.
Can't See Me was a Helter Skelter track. Then it became a Dogg Pound track and they changed the name to Can't C Me. Then Pac took it when it wasn't going to be used on Dogg Food.
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Can't C Me - Dogg Food leftover from the Dogg Pound, since Dre wasn't gonna use it and Pac liked it that was an easy one for Dre to give away. (is rumored to be a Helter Skelter song - though no evidence supports that)
This is incorrect. On the contrary, it IS a Helter Skelter song. One of the only Helter Skelter songs in fact, and it has been confirmed to be so by former Death Row employees. It is also listed in the WIDEawake Assets in all incarnations.
ITEM# ARTIST SONG TITLE REC DATE PTA ID
DRE CANT SEE ME SAFETY 9/1/1993 P0225910
#60 DRE/CUBE CANT SEE ME 5/10/1993 P02067523
DOGG POUND GANGSTA GROOVE/YOU CANT SEE/IDES COML 10/7/1995 P0267202
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so nothing ever happened to the beat at the end of the california love video ???
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U Can't See Me was originally recorded for Helter Skelter project that Dr. Dre was working on for collab album with Ice Cube. The Dr. Dre and Ice Cube version may exist still despict it being said that Suge later erased their vocal off the track to replace them with 2Pac's vocals. Anyway, that project didn't get finished, so Dre passed the track on to Tha Dogg Pound to record for Dogg Food and they did. Tha Dogg Pound's version didn't make it on Dogg Food because it was said that Suge didn't want alot of Dre's involvement on tha album (no Dre Produced tracks). Dre did record the original version for California Love (that later appeared on the 'How Do U Want It' maxi single) for the Chronic II project that he was working on for Death Row. On Dre's version, it has 3 verse from Dre but, he took his other 2 verses off for 2Pac to appear on tha record. That's why tha remix appeared on 2Pac's album because Dre was gonna use tha original for his Chronic II album. The was gonna set off both records, All Eyes On Me and Chronic II. Between tha bullshit that going on at Death Row and tha rumors going around, that's what made Dre leave Death Row. 2Pac and Dre was cool when Pac first got out, even Pac proved that in an MTV interview while promoting All Eyez On Me with Dre appearing along with him. Pac said he waited his whole career 2 work with Dre. He loved Dr. Dre's production and his music. That all changed when other people got in 2Pac's ear with tha other shit.
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so this nightmare trak prodcued by budda, whos featured on this trak?
good question.
it was for "heltah skeltah" right?did some1 ever hear it?
lol at ur avatar. i smell pussy
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U Can't See Me was originally recorded for Helter Skelter project that Dr. Dre was working on for collab album with Ice Cube. The Dr. Dre and Ice Cube version may exist still despict it being said that Suge later erased their vocal off the track to replace them with 2Pac's vocals. Anyway, that project didn't get finished, so Dre passed the track on to Tha Dogg Pound to record for Dogg Food and they did. Tha Dogg Pound's version didn't make it on Dogg Food because it was said that Suge didn't want alot of Dre's involvement on tha album (no Dre Produced tracks). Dre did record the original version for California Love (that later appeared on the 'How Do U Want It' maxi single) for the Chronic II project that he was working on for Death Row. On Dre's version, it has 3 verse from Dre but, he took his other 2 verses off for 2Pac to appear on tha record. That's why tha remix appeared on 2Pac's album because Dre was gonna use tha original for his Chronic II album. The was gonna set off both records, All Eyes On Me and Chronic II. Between tha bullshit that going on at Death Row and tha rumors going around, that's what made Dre leave Death Row. 2Pac and Dre was cool when Pac first got out, even Pac proved that in an MTV interview while promoting All Eyez On Me with Dre appearing along with him. Pac said he waited his whole career 2 work with Dre. He loved Dr. Dre's production and his music. That all changed when other people got in 2Pac's ear with tha other shit.
He wasn't being forthcoming with his beats though at the time, when 2Pac was the main priority at the label... Different story 2 and a half years earlier when it was Snoop Dogg. You see the focus and effort put into it by Dre. Granted Dr Dre now had his reasons to be away from the studio a lot, but 2Pac worked at a very fast rate, and very few could keep up, and only 2 beats (re-cycled at that remember) wasn't much effort in Dr Dre's part
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U Can't See Me was originally recorded for Helter Skelter project that Dr. Dre was working on for collab album with Ice Cube. The Dr. Dre and Ice Cube version may exist still despict it being said that Suge later erased their vocal off the track to replace them with 2Pac's vocals. Anyway, that project didn't get finished, so Dre passed the track on to Tha Dogg Pound to record for Dogg Food and they did. Tha Dogg Pound's version didn't make it on Dogg Food because it was said that Suge didn't want alot of Dre's involvement on tha album (no Dre Produced tracks). Dre did record the original version for California Love (that later appeared on the 'How Do U Want It' maxi single) for the Chronic II project that he was working on for Death Row. On Dre's version, it has 3 verse from Dre but, he took his other 2 verses off for 2Pac to appear on tha record. That's why tha remix appeared on 2Pac's album because Dre was gonna use tha original for his Chronic II album. The was gonna set off both records, All Eyes On Me and Chronic II. Between tha bullshit that going on at Death Row and tha rumors going around, that's what made Dre leave Death Row. 2Pac and Dre was cool when Pac first got out, even Pac proved that in an MTV interview while promoting All Eyez On Me with Dre appearing along with him. Pac said he waited his whole career 2 work with Dre. He loved Dr. Dre's production and his music. That all changed when other people got in 2Pac's ear with tha other shit.
He wasn't being forthcoming with his beats though at the time, when 2Pac was the main priority at the label... Different story 2 and a half years earlier when it was Snoop Dogg. You see the focus and effort put into it by Dre. Granted Dr Dre now had his reasons to be away from the studio a lot, but 2Pac worked at a very fast rate, and very few could keep up, and only 2 beats (re-cycled at that remember) wasn't much effort in Dr Dre's part
Dre at the time was also working on putting out an R&B group if I'm not mistaken.
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pac hated gay dre, he never wanted to work with him
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