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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: acgrundy on August 03, 2009, 06:25:39 PM
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How could it even be proved that Dre produced them? I can see how a lawsuit can be filed for songs he rapped on because there is proof of him rapping...however how can anyone prove who produced what back then?
Hell I am sure Daz would be more than happy to take the producing credits and make some money off old songs that Dre produced. So as far as people speculating why wideawake is releasing dre produced songs, this could be the reason why.
How would wideawake even know what all was produced by who? I mean they said they have something like 10K songs...so what, are they going to clear each one of those songs by dre?
Does Dre even remember everything he produced?
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On Death Row's Twitter they responded to some people and said that they are not allowed to release "unreleased dre verses." Notice they said verses NOT production. So this makes sense why they can include Poor Young Dave, which some of you have said is solely produced by Dre, and not other tracks because his vocals aren't on Dave.
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There are records of everything. It's a business. It's not like a bunch of people dicking around in a studio. Anybody with any business sense is going to get that taken care of. It's not like somebody like Dre is going to forget what songs he produced and just leave them lying around. It's the same as writing. Everyone gets their publishing credits taken care of.
And with the Dre productions, what good would it do in the business sense to release them with somebody else's name on them? Without the "produced by Dr. Dre" label, it really isn't going to be as valuable to them.
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Why don't Dre want his DR material released?
(If there is any)
I wouldn't put it past WA trying to pass
"Keep Their Heads Ringin'"
"Natural Born Killaz"
"Puffin' On Blunts....."
ect.... as unreleased.
Then again, Those few cuts plus the remix versions of song's off "The Chronic's" 12" would make a pretty good package deal.
(Even tho most of us already had these, be cool to have them all bundles together on one Mastered Cd.
Get it crackin' WA.
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i'd guess its because dre is a perfectionist, if he didnt release it back then thinking it wasn't worthy of his legacy, he doesn't want it released now incase it fucks everything up
i would also imagine dre is a different person now compared to how he was back in the death row days. he probably had a few not-so-nice things to say about different situations and he doesn't want that shit coming back up. the only way any dre track is getting released is if someone breaks into those vaults and puts that shit on the internet. unfortunately it looks like wideawake will have no more power than deathrow did when it comes to dre's shit
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There are records of everything. It's a business. It's not like a bunch of people dicking around in a studio. Anybody with any business sense is going to get that taken care of. It's not like somebody like Dre is going to forget what songs he produced and just leave them lying around. It's the same as writing. Everyone gets their publishing credits taken care of.
And with the Dre productions, what good would it do in the business sense to release them with somebody else's name on them? Without the "produced by Dr. Dre" label, it really isn't going to be as valuable to them.
Actually it was a bunch of people dicking around in the studio back then. All those guys got screwed over and taken advantage of.
LOL @ everyone gets their publishing taken care of. Is WideAwake your first introduction to Death Row Records? I guess you haven't heard about Daz, J Flexx, Sam Sneed, and probably a dozen others claiming they didn't get credit for things.
I'm sure there is plenty of beats and songs that were just recorded and nothing happened to them. Dude these guys were young, partying like motha fuckers in the studio and making music. LOL, you think before and after each song they got down, handled business and took care of paperwork?
How is it possible to prove who created the beats? If Dre doesn't have the masters, and wideawake does, wideawake can claim anything they want and it could be easier to prove than dre proving he created the beats.
As far as the business move of having the "produced by dre" tag, yeah I thought about that, that seems like the biggest downfall if they credited another artist. Although, then again, probably could be a way to create a name for an up and coming producer...it would be shady, but hey, the music business is full of shady people.
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they said they had some 2 verse dre songs tright?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLJc00xFO4&NR=1
Dr. Dre is just bein' a hoe. Pussy so scared Detox won't be whatever in whoever's eyes that he stagnated his career and other people's career. most people that left Aftermath have serious PR issues. Just release the shit and keep it movin'. It was the best years of his production cycle (besides now and 99/00). Dre had shit on lock, that's an accomplishment not many can claim but holding out tha world on history is fuckin' blasphemy. I pray this man comes to his senses 1 day. Even Michael Jackson popped up here and there.
Mothafuckaz need to hear this (ALL OF THIS) DeathRow Catalog. This was the Hip Hop Mo Town for a while. All that magic has to be heard and seen... real spit
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suge didnt give a shit about paperwork thats why you got dj quik songs on all eyes that say daz produced them.
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There are records of everything. It's a business. It's not like a bunch of people dicking around in a studio. Anybody with any business sense is going to get that taken care of. It's not like somebody like Dre is going to forget what songs he produced and just leave them lying around. It's the same as writing. Everyone gets their publishing credits taken care of.
And with the Dre productions, what good would it do in the business sense to release them with somebody else's name on them? Without the "produced by Dr. Dre" label, it really isn't going to be as valuable to them.
Actually it was a bunch of people dicking around in the studio back then. All those guys got screwed over and taken advantage of.
LOL @ everyone gets their publishing taken care of. Is WideAwake your first introduction to Death Row Records? I guess you haven't heard about Daz, J Flexx, Sam Sneed, and probably a dozen others claiming they didn't get credit for things.
I'm sure there is plenty of beats and songs that were just recorded and nothing happened to them. Dude these guys were young, partying like motha fuckers in the studio and making music. LOL, you think before and after each song they got down, handled business and took care of paperwork?
How is it possible to prove who created the beats? If Dre doesn't have the masters, and wideawake does, wideawake can claim anything they want and it could be easier to prove than dre proving he created the beats.
As far as the business move of having the "produced by dre" tag, yeah I thought about that, that seems like the biggest downfall if they credited another artist. Although, then again, probably could be a way to create a name for an up and coming producer...it would be shady, but hey, the music business is full of shady people.
Daz and the people you named got fucked on the publishing. Whether the publishing records are accurate is up for debate but record companies always keep them so it's not like they can just take Dre's credit off a song and sign it over to Daz or someone else. Artists might go in the studio and party and what not but there is always paperwork. Dre was co-owner of the company so I'm gonna call it a safe bet to say that any track he ever touched in any way over there went through the legal clearances with his publishing company. If there weren't publishing credits for it, it wouldn't have ended up in the auction in the first place.
If WideAwake has knowledge of what tracks Dre produced then trust me, Dre and his legal team do as well. It's one thing to take someone's credit when you are getting the publishing established but it's quite another to try and go back 15+ years later and try to steal it when the publishing credits are already legally established and have been circulated regularly. There's a reason why when you look at remixed Pac song credits, the artists and producers who appeared on the original track are still credited in the publishing even if their work is no longer on the track in question. Music companies are ruthless but nobody is an idiot. If someone produced a song for somebody else and they didn't get credit, it's probably because they signed a piece of paper waving whatever credit they would have got in exchange for money. You can't just outright steal somebody's work. If my vocals are on a song or my likeness is used in a movie or video, the company that is putting out needs legal permission to use it or I can sue their asses.
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suge didnt give a shit about paperwork thats why you got dj quik songs on all eyes that say daz produced them.
Again though. It's a lot easier to take credit when you're preparing the publishing than it is to go back and take it when there is already fifteen-year-old paperwork that says who is credited for writing, producing, mixing, etc.
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suge didnt give a shit about paperwork thats why you got dj quik songs on all eyes that say daz produced them.
Which ones? Some of the tracks definitely have that Quik sound to them, but he is only credited for Heartz Of Men.
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skandalous is a quik track im sure of it...quiks even working the talk box in that song.
hes said before that he didnt get credit for some of his work on that album but never went as far as to name songs.
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I think they should just fuckin' leak them songs. I don't think they'll ever be able to releasin' them on an album.
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Hell even if a couple Dre produced songs from that era are released i'd be happy. Like someone said for all we know Dre could have disses to Eazy on some of the old tracks. Last thing he wants is for that to be released when Eazys dead.
If we get songs from the Doggystyle era and Lady of Rages unreleased tracks with Dre i'm happy.
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skandalous is a quik track im sure of it...quiks even working the talk box in that song.
hes said before that he didnt get credit for some of his work on that album but never went as far as to name songs.
You sure by assumption? It sounds like Quik to you or you hav actual proof?
That beat sounded like Daz, even had Daz percussion in the re. It has same percusion from I Got My Mind Made up so I guess Quik made that too?
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alizé.
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I think they should just fuckin' leak them songs. I don't think they'll ever be able to releasin' them on an album.
yh i agree with this. maybe dre thinks his deathrow shit will out sell detox lol. hes gay for not putting out his old stuff, why not? get paid for the muthafuckin traks.
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I think they should just fuckin' leak them songs. I don't think they'll ever be able to releasin' them on an album.
yh i agree with this. maybe dre thinks his deathrow shit will out sell detox lol. hes gay for not putting out his old stuff, why not? get paid for the muthafuckin traks.
Maybe he re-used verses and that's why he doesn't want them out. Lol. Also, Dre's got plenty of money - so I don't think he needs to worry about Wide Awake.
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He wouldn't want to release his previously unreleased Death Row tracks because it'd then open up a lot of doors from people claiming they co-wrote this, or produced that, and helped with that etc. He'd probably be at court a number of times. There would be a lot of unecessary strain on his mind, and his pocket, and with the pressure from fans, public, and work team to put out Detox I think he'd rather use his finances, and efforts on that.
Perhaps in the future Dre's legal people at his current label will allow the tracks, or at least 1/2 to be handed out for free download, to promote a future Death Row project. That way, no one is benefiting from the tracks themselves, and there'd be no need for anyone to complain that they didn't get paid for their work since this wouldn't be on a retail release
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skandalous is a quik track im sure of it...quiks even working the talk box in that song.
hes said before that he didnt get credit for some of his work on that album but never went as far as to name songs.
You sure by assumption? It sounds like Quik to you or you hav actual proof?
That beat sounded like Daz, even had Daz percussion in the re. It has same percusion from I Got My Mind Made up so I guess Quik made that too?
I think Quik played the Dr. Dre role on this album with the mixing and additional production.
Skandalouz is probably an original Daz beat, but I bet it sounded much better once Quik got his hands on it.
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skandalous is a quik track im sure of it...quiks even working the talk box in that song.
hes said before that he didnt get credit for some of his work on that album but never went as far as to name songs.
You sure by assumption? It sounds like Quik to you or you hav actual proof?
That beat sounded like Daz, even had Daz percussion in the re. It has same percusion from I Got My Mind Made up so I guess Quik made that too?
I think Quik played the Dr. Dre role on this album with the mixing and additional production.
Skandalouz is probably an original Daz beat, but I bet it sounded much better once Quik got his hands on it.
"Daz stop fuckin around on the piano and drop this shit like uhh, this here" That pretty much proves that Daz played a major part in the production. But ya Quik did play the Dre type role with all the mixing he did on the album and in the mixing process may have added his own touch to the production on a few tracks.
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He wouldn't want to release his previously unreleased Death Row tracks because it'd then open up a lot of doors from people claiming they co-wrote this, or produced that, and helped with that etc. He'd probably be at court a number of times. There would be a lot of unecessary strain on his mind, and his pocket, and with the pressure from fans, public, and work team to put out Detox I think he'd rather use his finances, and efforts on that.
No, that would be Wideawake's headache. Like I said before, the publishing credits already exist for all the songs that they acquired from the Death Row auction. It's not like the record companies wait for the songs to be released to make a record of who wrote, produced, engineered, mixed, etc. Again, nobody can say that everyone got fair credit when it comes to publishing but at this point, none of that would fall on Dre's shoulders legally. He would get his publishing for being a producer or writer or artist or whatever but the company releasing the song would be held liable for anything else.
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skandalous is a quik track im sure of it...quiks even working the talk box in that song.
hes said before that he didnt get credit for some of his work on that album but never went as far as to name songs.
You sure by assumption? It sounds like Quik to you or you hav actual proof?
That beat sounded like Daz, even had Daz percussion in the re. It has same percusion from I Got My Mind Made up so I guess Quik made that too?
I think Quik played the Dr. Dre role on this album with the mixing and additional production.
Skandalouz is probably an original Daz beat, but I bet it sounded much better once Quik got his hands on it.
"Daz stop fuckin around on the piano and drop this shit like uhh, this here" That pretty much proves that Daz played a major part in the production. But ya Quik did play the Dre type role with all the mixing he did on the album and in the mixing process may have added his own touch to the production on a few tracks.
naw that doesn't prove anything. Soopafly played the piano on that song. He has said it himself...daz has said it too.
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daz cant play piano or work a talk box thas not to say he cant pound out a couple notes on the piano here and there but he aint known for his instruments...
daz production is known for his drum patterns and his eerie keyboard licks (that most presumed were jacked from soopafly for the most part anyway) and yes daz and soopafly have both confirmed that he did a shit load of ghost production for him in his glory days.
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On the production side of things.. just about every good West Coast producer has someone working with them playing live instruments or adding that certain twist. The few who don't are usually using just samples or doing things synthesized.
Daz - Soopafly, Ivan Johnson, Mike Dean
Johnny J - Ian Boxill, Ronnie King
Dre - Scott Storch, Sam Sneed, Mel-Man (except Dre would of been more of the opposite role - mixing the created beats)
On All Eyez On Me Quik was the main mixer for the entire album, not just Daz's tracks but everyones. DJ Quik is one of the few producers in the game that can do practically everything. Dave Aaron also did a lot of good work on that album. Snoop retained him and he's still mixing and engineering for Doggystyle Records.
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I always thought the majority of the beats from Chronic 2001: Still Smokin were Dre beats just using Michelle's name as producer, can't they do the same again?
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I always thought the majority of the beats from Chronic 2001: Still Smokin were Dre beats just using Michelle's name as producer, can't they do the same again?
You're thinking of the 'Chronic 2000 - Still Smokin'' compilation, and Michel'le was credited as executive producer of the project, and overseen a lot of the R&B side of the label at that time, she did not create the beats. Daz, Soopafly, Kurt Kobaine & others did
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On the production side of things.. just about every good West Coast producer has someone working with them playing live instruments or adding that certain twist. The few who don't are usually using just samples or doing things synthesized.
Daz - Soopafly, Ivan Johnson, Mike Dean
Johnny J - Ian Boxill, Ronnie King
Dre - Scott Storch, Sam Sneed, Mel-Man (except Dre would of been more of the opposite role - mixing the created beats)
On All Eyez On Me Quik was the main mixer for the entire album, not just Daz's tracks but everyones. DJ Quik is one of the few producers in the game that can do practically everything. Dave Aaron also did a lot of good work on that album. Snoop retained him and he's still mixing and engineering for Doggystyle Records.
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