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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: A1 on August 07, 2009, 02:55:00 AM
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So what are peoples thoughts on this. I mean obviously we are all waiting for detox. But to be honest im starting to feel a bit insulted. Most people here have given dre the benefit of the doubt even in the face of strong criticisim. But yet we are still waiting.
I read an interview with 50 recently and he said dre is a perfectionist but at the same time its frustrating for him also (50) and every one is always waiting on dre.
So when does it get to the point of dre turning from perfectionist to just being lazy!! 2pac said it alooong time ago lol, was he right?
What are peoples thoughts?
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I wouldn't say he's lazy, because he's still working all the time creating music. I think it was Stat Quo who said Dre wasn't even satisfied with 2001, that the only beat he really like on the album was Light Speed or somethign like that, and others had to pressure him to release the album. If he wasn't satisfied with pretty much ANY beat on that album then I'd say he was a perfectionist.
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still waiting for that DETOX album.
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he is a perfectionist who probably changes his mind quite often, thats why there is no detox...and there never will be a detox. ;)
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Perfectionist but i think that comes from him being so worried about trying to meet expectations
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Perfectionist but i think that comes from him being so worried about trying to meet expectations
That is getting more impossible every day
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Perfectionist but i think that comes from him being so worried about trying to meet expectations
That is getting more impossible every day
He just needs to drop the album. I need that shit, like a fresh glass of lemonade.
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Perfectionist but i think that comes from him being so worried about trying to meet expectations
That is getting more impossible every day
He just needs to drop the album. I need that shit, like a fresh glass of lemonade.
whatever he does it will flop
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A bit of both. People say he's a perfectionist, and make excuses as to why there is no Detox. Almost 10 years?? lol. Didn't 2Pac create the 7 day theory in 3 DAYS!!! Dr Dre is talented, but he relies heavily on other peoples skills. Early Death Row it was Warren G, Daz, D.O.C, then to Sam Sneed/J.Flexx in his later days on that label. At Aftermath, it was Scott Storch/Kambon, but Scott Storch broke out, and blew up to establish himself as a huge independent critically acclaimed producer. He's lost a lot of talent under his wing, mixed with personal issues, it's no surprise this is delayed. He still has Mike Elizondo next to him, so he can still churn out those heavy bass hits, but he needs to re-create Hip Hop sound. Each of his 2 albums have done that. Chronic catapualted G-funk, and 2001 with the hard bangers
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Everyone is complaining on how Detox is taking forever and they r mad its still not out, its not like Dre keeps on chaining the reales date. Dre has not been talking about the album in years, everyone els has. Just wait for it and stop complaining as tho he owes u this album. I would rather wait and hear Detox finished then to have him put it out now when its not done. I dont want this to be like Hittmans album that he released not done and then having it flop. If your so desperate in hearing a whole Dre album go listen to Relapse thats basically Detox just having Eminem on the whole album.
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"You know why Dres record was so successful hes talking about blunts, 4Ooz, Big Screen TVs and bitches!" - Steve Berman from The Marshall Mathers LP.
He basically did put in perspective. He tried "Been Their Done That" no one liked that crap, so he went back to The Chronic, hell even his N.W.A days he was talking about that. Detox will probably be more of that with just amazing beats.
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So what are peoples thoughts on this. I mean obviously we are all waiting for detox. But to be honest im starting to feel a bit insulted. Most people here have given dre the benefit of the doubt even in the face of strong criticisim. But yet we are still waiting.
I read an interview with 50 recently and he said dre is a perfectionist but at the same time its frustrating for him also (50) and every one is always waiting on dre.
So when does it get to the point of dre turning from perfectionist to just being lazy!! 2pac said it alooong time ago lol, was he right?
What are peoples thoughts?
let it rest, man
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a bit of both
lazy perfectionist
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perfectionist and i think dude worries and thinks a lot.
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he is a perfectionist who probably changes his mind quite often, thats why there is no detox...and there never will be a detox. ;)
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why did game on higher track said look out for detox? and eminem on encore outro said, dont worry about that detox album its coming.. and, still, the game put 2 more albums since that and eminem put three albums too, greatest hits, re up and relapse..
its been a long time, i remember when first time i read in papers that dre will make the last album and its gonna be called detox, and i was so happy, and yet again after couple of monther i was reading, dre will not an album, because he will focus on his new artist, mostly ,Eve.. She even didnt relase album on the math..
and again , couple months after that, dre said he will release album, but its been quite some time since that... maybe he want fans go crazy from anticipation and when its release it will be great banger.
we can only hope it will be released.
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proud and lazy
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Insecure perfectionist.
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Didn't 2Pac create the 7 day theory in 3 DAYS!!! Dr Dre is talented, but he relies heavily on other peoples skills. Early Death Row it was Warren G, Daz, D.O.C, then to Sam Sneed/J.Flexx in his later days on that label.
Comparing Pac to Dre is pointless. Laying vocals and producing are two different things. And most producers rely on other people's talents. That's what producing is.
The lazy thing is just fed-up Dre fans who are sick of waiting on Detox venting their frustrations. The guy's been making music. Lazy would be if he just sat around and never went to the studio. Nearly everyone who has worked with Dre on Detox says he's been working his ass off. The Pac comment holds no water. Dre was all but done with Death Row by the time that Pac got over there and really stopped going to Can-Am all together. If you were talking about 1995-96 Dre, it would be a better argument against him being lazy as only about three or four tracks he did at that time came out but today? He just produced a whole album on Eminem. 50 has leaked a couple attempts at singles that he produced. Bishop put that song out he did. If he's just being lazy, how the fuck are these songs getting made?
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Perfectionist who is scared of failure.
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Dre is never going to put detox out its all a buzz to build his label up and hype for his artists... i am tired of waiting for this shit its been mentioned since the documentary thats 4 years ago coming on 5 and in 03 he was was talking about it... what in the world can he be doing thats making him put off detox even more. Dude is a millionare works with great musicians has access to million dollar studios has a great engineer... i am not getting why its taking him this long.
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it's probably a combination of both, I remember seeing somewhere that Stat Quo said Dre was scared to release any lil snippet of Detox or any leak because of what people might think. But I think it's also starting to become an excuse lately, I mean the Chronic probably took like 6-8 months to make.
A bit of both. People say he's a perfectionist, and make excuses as to why there is no Detox. Almost 10 years?? lol. Didn't 2Pac create the 7 day theory in 3 DAYS!!!
the 7 day theory was made in a week... hence the title the 7 Day Theory.
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Insecure perfectionist.
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Perfectionist who is scared of failure.
The more he delays the more failure becomes a possibility. It's amazing that the amount of hype as remained high for so long (7 years?), but he is setting himself up for failure by making anticipation too high.
And I'd say it's 60% lazy, 40% perfectionist.
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the 7 day theory was made in a week... hence the title the 7 Day Theory.
The album was completed in a week, but 2Pac wrote and recorded his lyrics in 3 days.
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dre is a lazy perfectionist bitch
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oh im sure he makes abundance of music so we can't call him lazy
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oh im sure he makes abundance of music so we can't call him lazy
prove it
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oh im sure he makes abundance of music so we can't call him lazy
prove it
Relapse 1 & 2, Bishop's Album, 50 Cents' Album and every other artist that has come out with Dre beats or is working with them right now.
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oh im sure he makes abundance of music so we can't call him lazy
prove it
Relapse 1 & 2, Bishop's Album, 50 Cents' Album and every other artist that has come out with Dre beats or is working with them right now.
hahaha is that a joke?
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Insecure perfectionist.
lmfaoo word..
but nigga lazy too.. sittin round the studio doin nothin but waste beats all day long..
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it's probably a combination of both, I remember seeing somewhere that Stat Quo said Dre was scared to release any lil snippet of Detox or any leak because of what people might think. But I think it's also starting to become an excuse lately, I mean the Chronic probably took like 6-8 months to make.
A bit of both. People say he's a perfectionist, and make excuses as to why there is no Detox. Almost 10 years?? lol. Didn't 2Pac create the 7 day theory in 3 DAYS!!!
the 7 day theory was made in a week... hence the title the 7 Day Theory.
thats just a storys..no proof
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There's a mad difference between creating an album of beats and writing down lyrics.
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The people closest to him always say he's in the studio non-stop, so I think too say he is lazy is just something a pissod off fan would say. He's definitely a prefectionist. Look at his track record...
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it's probably a combination of both, I remember seeing somewhere that Stat Quo said Dre was scared to release any lil snippet of Detox or any leak because of what people might think. But I think it's also starting to become an excuse lately, I mean the Chronic probably took like 6-8 months to make.
A bit of both. People say he's a perfectionist, and make excuses as to why there is no Detox. Almost 10 years?? lol. Didn't 2Pac create the 7 day theory in 3 DAYS!!!
the 7 day theory was made in a week... hence the title the 7 Day Theory.
thats just a storys..no proof
im pretty sure it was mentioned in XXL magazine. like JG said, Pac wrote and recorded his lyrics in 3 days. mixing took 4 days.
as you can imagine Pac wanted to get outta Death Row pretty quickly.
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I have promo's from that album that have "3 day theory" on them. That was going to be the original title, due to the fact that 2Pac went in, in June 96 in 3 days - wrote & recorded, and re-recorded all of his verses. Around 20 tracks (approx)
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Its not Dre being lazy that annoys me, its the fact that he takes aaaaaaaages to release anything because he's such a 'perfectionist.' Nothing can ever be perfect when you create something, theres always bits you might want to go back to change or tweak. Whenever I do hear his new beats the majority don't seem to be worth the wait anymore and thats how its been for the last 5-6 years. A lot of tracks sound like Generic variations of the same type of beat and are dissapointing, especially when he's spent soooooooo long crafting a 'new sound' that will blow people away and change hip-hop again.
The ironic thing is Dre could probably make Detox and BLOW the world away by just dipping into his vault for tracks without the need to even record new stuff.
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Perfectionist who is scared of failure.
i'll go with this
Same reason Michael Jackson's last album came out in 2001
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Its not Dre being lazy that annoys me, its the fact that he takes aaaaaaaages to release anything because he's such a 'perfectionist.' Nothing can ever be perfect when you create something, theres always bits you might want to go back to change or tweak. Whenever I do hear his new beats the majority don't seem to be worth the wait anymore and thats how its been for the last 5-6 years. A lot of tracks sound like Generic variations of the same type of beat and are dissapointing, especially when he's spent soooooooo long crafting a 'new sound' that will blow people away and change hip-hop again.
The ironic thing is Dre could probably make Detox and BLOW the world away by just dipping into his vault for tracks without the need to even record new stuff.
true
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First of all, Detox is a myth. It's not a real album. See my signature for the explanation.
Second of all, how can Dre be a perfectionist if all of his productions aren't perfect? Like the production he had on Hip Hop is Dead was average, the last song on The Big Bang, etc.
I don't think he's lazy. I just don't think he's really working on an album called Detox in the first place. He's also older now and doesn't have the energy of a young whipper snapper. His lasting contribution to music will be executing the G-Funk sound, and we'll always love him for that. :-*
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Amen, R.I.P. to the Doctor case closed
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Perfectionist who is scared of failure.
i'll go with this
Same reason Michael Jackson's last album came out in 2001
maybe michael didnt need to have an album soon as possible.
michael jackson failure song were like some other artists super hits.
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First of all, Detox is a myth. It's not a real album. See my signature for the explanation.
Second of all, how can Dre be a perfectionist if all of his productions aren't perfect? Like the production he had on Hip Hop is Dead was average, the last song on The Big Bang, etc.
I don't think he's lazy. I just don't think he's really working on an album called Detox in the first place. He's also older now and doesn't have the energy of a young whipper snapper. His lasting contribution to music will be executing the G-Funk sound, and we'll always love him for that. :-*
Same here, I'm starting to think that Detox was just a bad joke. Its been a crazy amount of years of waiting. If Dre ever drops anything, I'm sure it would just flop due to the high expectations of it.
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as a producer he is a prefectionist without a doubt.
as an artist he`s very lazy, it`s hard to make a cd full of dre solo tracks. his solo albums were carried by snoop (chronic) and hitman (2001). he even don't wrote his lyrics
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Dre's a perfectionist whose satisfaction level is out of this world. I can kind of relate to this as I am a creator myself. My finished product looks completely opposite from my first attempt, and even when I tag my final project done, withing a matter of minutes I find new ways to improve it. And when I turn in my final product even tho a few minutes before I was wowed by my creation, I have now grown bored of it. I think dre creates monster beats, records detox material on them over listens to the track gets bored of it and turns it over to Em or 50. Unfortunately for us, this means unless he gets more pressure for the label to release an album Detox is gonna keep on getting pushed back. I been patiently waiting, but I am now at a point where I've accepted the fact that it might not come out. Dre's scared of begative criticism, especially considering the fact that its his last hoorrah!
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LAZY, look at Death Row days, peoples ain't changing