West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MasLoc aka Massolocco on September 09, 2009, 07:43:51 AM
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im not a history buff... but all i know is... when i first heard T-Pain in early 2000s...... with that in love with stripper and bartender songs... i was ... that niggah using the roger troutmen shit..... i know auto tune is actually different then what he did cuase he had the keyboard and air pipe thing..... but... wtf..... that sound was such a West coast thing in the 90s.... now everyone using it and its geting hated on.... i still ike it... but i think only certain artists should use it...
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one is a talk box and the other is a plug in program. 2 different types of equipment and effects!
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Auto-Tune and A talk box ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. tired of people getting them confused, but Auto-Tune was something the south made popular. well actually before that it was already being used by Pop artist so they can since on pitch for the song.I don't know how it honestly carried over into rap so well.
Talk Boxes make you sound electrolyzed and was made popular by Zapp and Roger (Its also a commonly misplaced fact, that they created it, when Talk boxes go way back).
Auto-Tune was developed to effect you're pitch, and was made mostly as a fail safe for popstars. The effect's are sometimes confused with talk boxes, if the Auto-Tune is heavily over used. But auto-tune isn't a talk box. but yeah, I can see how you would make a mistake.
but no, west coast deserves no credit at all for auto-tune. This happened way past our time, we had Talk Box in our songs. Mostly they were sampled by Zapp and Roger, and rarely did the artist use it. Infact Zapp had become a huge artist again in the 1990s cause he was featured on a lot of tracks were the talk box was present. T.I. I think was one of the few to actually use the talk box, were as others had Zapp come in. (Zapp and roger was dead around this time if I remember correctly)
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Antares deserves the credit for auto tune. I'm sure their success is bittersweet though, considering all these niggers just completely overused and abused it to the that it affects the collective creative offering that black music possesses (or did)
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ummm....might as well say cher invented it. kids....all opinion, no knowledge
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ummm....might as well say cher invented it.
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Antares deserves the credit for auto tune. I'm sure their success is bittersweet though, considering all these niggers just completely overused and abused it to the that it affects the collective creative offering that black music possesses (or did)
they are rich they don't give a fuc.
DOA was like the best comercial ever for them
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True... thanks for the info guys... Respect...... well i think westcoast niggaz need to bring that roger troutmen shit back... But Properly.
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What you're thinking of is the talk-box. I always thought Peter Frampton was the one of the dudes to popularize the talk-box, then lotsa folks used it after; Most notably Zapp.
Vocoder, you probably hear that in techno-type songs and faggy boy band shit from the 90's.
Auto-Tune is different than talk-box, AT is some software shit.
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lol, you people really need to get something better to talk about than AutoTune vs Talkbox vs Vocoder....
BTW, all 3 of which are completely different processes, that create 3 different affects, by 3 different methods....
and yes, the Talk-Box was made popular by Peter Frampton, NOT Roger and ZAPP.
The talk box has existed since the early 70's and originally was used by guitarists....
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The talk box has existed since the early 70's and originally was used by guitarists....
"Hey, man! That guy's guitar is talking!".
LMAO at this thread. "Why doesn't the West Coast get credit for a sound that they didn't have anything to do with but often gets confused with one they borrowed from a guy from Ohio?". This reminds me of a thread I saw back in the day where someone accused Britney Spears of ripping off Daz and Kurupt when she did "My Perogative'?
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Westcoast should get credit for Autotune because the Antares offices are in California. So Autotune is a product of the westcoast.
That's how it works right?
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Westcoast should get credit for Autotune because the Antares offices are in California. So Autotune is a product of the westcoast.
That's how it works right?
You know what... you're kinda right...
not really, but you've made a logical and slightly compelling arguement.....
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if the REAL OG'S were still around to speak on some real shit then the bitchmade fake fucks might not be usin it
isnt it a coincidence that the fuck faces usin it are usin it after the og's have gon? lol
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if the REAL OG'S were still around to speak on some real shit then the bitchmade fake fucks might not be usin it
isnt it a coincidence that the fuck faces usin it are usin it after the og's have gon? lol
So Cher is dead?
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nah the ogs in rap or more specifically ogs in westcoast
so if roger troutman was still active i doubt these wack fake rappers would be doin this but the ogs arent around and for the westcoast well one minute snoop is dissin wayne and the next hes in a video wit wayne so obviously snoop is tryna save himself and keep his name out there but hes ruinin his name cuz he could have spoke up bout that and even worse not done the SEXUAL SEDUCTION
again isnt it a coincidence none of this happened BACK N THA DAY? they were real then, but bein real nowadays is somethin different
and i guess since you mentioned cher...cher does what she does, but im not sure if shes changed her style im guessin she hasnt since she has sold out shows
so does snoop but hes not only not doin the same numbers but his core fanbase isnt feelin him the same and havent for years
if the REAL OG'S were still around to speak on some real shit then the bitchmade fake fucks might not be usin it
isnt it a coincidence that the fuck faces usin it are usin it after the og's have gon? lol
So Cher is dead?
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But the talk box and auto-tune are not the same thing. It's two different sounds and a lot of the cats who were doing the talkbox shit back in the day were doing it with the support and sometimes direct input of Roger Troutman. "Autotune" has been around for awhile. Granted, it invaded rap fairly recently but if you listen to a lot of the pop acts that were coming out around that whole Britney-NSync-Backstreet Boy TRL time period from the late 90's to early 2000's, a lot of their records were recorded using AutoTune. To say that the new generation of "bitchmade fake fucks" are using it because the O.G.'s aren't around to stop them is silly. The so-called originators of "Autotune" or the people who first brought it to the public concienseness are artists like Cher and Britney Spears. The latter of whom is still in her late 20's. People like Frampton and the Troutmans used the "talk box" to bring the sound of vocals into their instrumentation. "Auto Tune" is used as a way of giving to give pop singer's vocals a pitch perfect sound.
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nah but still if this coasts og's were to say somethin and at least speak on everyone usin what they think is the talk box...at least they would have said it
now underground heads have spoke on it but snoop, xzibit, kurupt etc...not only havent said much but also used it or were on records that used it, but at the same time they are the ones dissin wayne, tpain, etc...who are usin what is known nowadays as AUTOTUNE
either way autotune is wack and will never touch the talk box
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But nobody thinks it's the TALK BOX but people who are uneducated on music. Very few of whom are artists. If anyone were to speak up, people would just look at them like they were an idiot because it's not the same thing. I really don't see where this is even an argument. It's a bunch of misinformed people arguing about giving a Coast credit for something that they have nothing to do with. I really don't even know where you'd start. Who should step up and say what? Outside of Snoop, what rappers from the West have even used AutoTune on mainstream radio?
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Wow Vocoder is dope too you know. It was used in the 8ball & MJG on top of the world song and ATL's Black Superman.
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at least they used it right and made the song dope
whats tpain doin thats dope?
whats wayne doin thats dope?
Wow Vocoder is dope too you know. It was used in the 8ball & MJG on top of the world song and ATL's Black Superman.
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Same reason we didn't get credit for all that crunk shit (which was mostly an updated West Coast sound)
Same reason our artist get banned for gang banging content when Dipset was gangbangin all over tv
The West Coast has pretty much been blackballed from anything mainstream unless its Dr. Dre affiliated.
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Don't forget that X and 40 used Tpain on a hook before any other major artists
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Auto Tune has no place in Rap unless its some sorta Chorus. Rap vocals are suppose to be all natural...If you can't fucking do it then don't sing the track.