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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mlk93 on September 29, 2009, 03:13:09 AM
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I think that G malone had a buzz with certified , Jay rock with All my life Problem with toe up ect.... Why they didn't put the album when the buzz was already here ? Now they all lost their little buzz they gain with their single. They all have to rebuilt a new one from the start.I know that it's not the rapper's fault ! But it sad they don't takr advantage of thei little buzz ! It's like if their single don't take the number one spot they will not have an album out !
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
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Same with Bishop Lamont, WHen Grow Up dropped a video was promised and all that. Eventually nothing happened, it downed down and he's been having Dropped rumors left and right lol
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It just shows how hard it is to establish yourself on the West Coast. Even when you do get a buzz going, it's only temporary. I think to many of these artists are slow to act because they don't realize how quickly they can fade away. Plus the industry doesn't really have any faith in West Coast rappers.
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
true, but Bishop Lamont could have done more independently(i'm not even talking about labels)
after Grow Up he changed plans i guess
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
true, but Bishop Lamont could have done more independently(i'm not even talking about labels)
after Grow Up he changed plans i guess
Yeah he could, but once you sign your name on that dotted line, that label basically owns you. At the very least the music.
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
true, but Bishop Lamont could have done more independently(i'm not even talking about labels)
after Grow Up he changed plans i guess
Yeah he could, but once you sign your name on that dotted line, that label basically owns you. At the very least the music.
oh yeah that's true, the street albums dropped with permission from interscope.
then again, he never talks about leaving, so he must be stuck?
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So as much as artists want to run around and say oh this record is doing this or my label does not control me, unless you are really doing the damn thing indie, you have someone to answer to. And if that person aint feeling the single or the album, it ain't coming out.
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lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
true, but Bishop Lamont could have done more independently(i'm not even talking about labels)
after Grow Up he changed plans i guess
Yeah he could, but once you sign your name on that dotted line, that label basically owns you. At the very least the music.
oh yeah that's true, the street albums dropped with permission from interscope.
then again, he never talks about leaving, so he must be stuck?
Interscope I will give it to them, they ain't no dummies. Yeah they will let the street albums go because it does keep Bishop relevant and working. The main thing they are focused on is little to NO Dre beats on those street albums. Don't want to give out the grade A material for free.
Bishop might also feel hey I need to lay back and take it easy on leaking records and talking about my situation if I really want to come out. They could have laid it out to him and said hey until the big 3 come out, forget it.
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So as much as artists want to run around and say oh this record is doing this or my label does not control me, unless you are really doing the damn thing indie, you have someone to answer to. And if that person aint feeling the single or the album, it ain't coming out.
lets not forget Clyde Carson -2 step, hood stomped the 2 joints with Sean Kingston,,,what a waist really....
How hard can it be really .. drop a mixtape get some buzz,, drop a singel..see how it goes..if its good,,DROP A FUCKING ALBUM!!
Because these artists (most of them) are on labels. These A&Rs half of them don't know shit about buzz and hype in the streets so they keep dragging and delaying projects most of the time to the point when it drops no one is checking for it.
true, but Bishop Lamont could have done more independently(i'm not even talking about labels)
after Grow Up he changed plans i guess
Yeah he could, but once you sign your name on that dotted line, that label basically owns you. At the very least the music.
oh yeah that's true, the street albums dropped with permission from interscope.
then again, he never talks about leaving, so he must be stuck?
Interscope I will give it to them, they ain't no dummies. Yeah they will let the street albums go because it does keep Bishop relevant and working. The main thing they are focused on is little to NO Dre beats on those street albums. Don't want to give out the grade A material for free.
Bishop might also feel hey I need to lay back and take it easy on leaking records and talking about my situation if I really want to come out. They could have laid it out to him and said hey until the big 3 come out, forget it.
yeah this once again proves that Laconic was right: Bishop should have never signed with Aftermath.
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It wouldnt suprise me that if half these artists only have 1 hot song and nothing that comes close to a completed album.
Especially in the eyes of A&R's at big labels.
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
The problem is no one in the West Coast can maintain any buzz for a long period of time. That's why it would be better to simply release an album and collect whatever you can. Of course for record labels time is money. Why waste time putting out an album that might sell well, when they got several artists that might develop into guaranteed sellers?
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
The problem is no one in the West Coast can maintain any buzz for a long period of time. That's why it would be better to simply release an album and collect whatever you can. Of course for record labels time is money. Why waste time putting out an album that might sell well, when they got several artists that might develop into guaranteed sellers?
True. Artists can't maintain a buzz out here and for damn sure the radio and the people do not get behind the product either.
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
Much worse.
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bishop could post the paperwork, right?
The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
Much worse.
seems like even Dre was pissed :P
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d nice you need to fix your avatar you cant dishonor In a Major Way with that fucked up picture
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bishop could post the paperwork, right?
The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
Much worse.
seems like even Dre was pissed :P
I am sure he could but at this point it seems like he is just gonna chill and see how this falls into place.
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d nice you need to fix your avatar you cant dishonor In a Major Way with that fucked up picture
Yeah I am looking for a better quality pic ;D. Have not found it yet.
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bishop could post the paperwork, right?
The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
Much worse.
seems like even Dre was pissed :P
I am sure he could but at this point it seems like he is just gonna chill and see how this falls into place.
you mean like this:
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/ddw/lowres/ddwn30l.jpg)
or this:
(http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/am_not_workaholic_just_work_to_relax_Cartoon_print_by_Alex_Gregory_Published_in_The_New_Yorker_on_27_2007.jpeg)
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bishop could post the paperwork, right?
The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
i think leaking Grow Up really made Bishop's situation worse
Much worse.
seems like even Dre was pissed :P
I am sure he could but at this point it seems like he is just gonna chill and see how this falls into place.
you mean like this:
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/ddw/lowres/ddwn30l.jpg)
or this:
(http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/am_not_workaholic_just_work_to_relax_Cartoon_print_by_Alex_Gregory_Published_in_The_New_Yorker_on_27_2007.jpeg)
Yeah probably lol.
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
not quite the same situation, but Game did something similar to that too..
he dropped a 16 on that "Certified Remix" song with Jim Jones and Cam'ron without permission (i think) and then Interscope/Dre didn't want Game to be in the video but he still did it anyway..
Dre and nem got real mad...even 50 spoke about this a while ago...
lookin back, that was one of the best moves for Game besides hookin up with G-Unit for his debut..because thats the song that really gave him a name on the Eastcoast
Sometimes thats just what you gotta do in this business, cuz no one is really lookin out 4 u like yourself...even though it obviously doesnt work everytime so you have to be prepared for the worst if it fails
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what the fuck did that second comic have to do with anything? fucking germans
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
not quite the same situation, but Game did something similar to that too..
he dropped a 16 on that "Certified Remix" song with Jim Jones and Cam'ron without permission (i think) and then Interscope/Dre didn't want Game to be in the video but he still did it anyway..
Dre and nem got real mad...even 50 spoke about this a while ago...
lookin back, that was one of the best moves for Game besides hookin up with G-Unit for his debut..because thats the song that really gave him a name on the Eastcoast
Sometimes thats just what you gotta do in this business, cuz no one is really lookin out 4 u like yourself...even though it obviously doesnt work everytime so you have to be prepared for the worst if it fails
I was not comparing the situations. Those were just examples of leaks working out and Bishop's that did not and the expectations that sometimes come with doing it. Game too yeah that did work out for him.
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
not quite the same situation, but Game did something similar to that too..
he dropped a 16 on that "Certified Remix" song with Jim Jones and Cam'ron without permission (i think) and then Interscope/Dre didn't want Game to be in the video but he still did it anyway..
Dre and nem got real mad...even 50 spoke about this a while ago...
lookin back, that was one of the best moves for Game besides hookin up with G-Unit for his debut..because thats the song that really gave him a name on the Eastcoast
Sometimes thats just what you gotta do in this business, cuz no one is really lookin out 4 u like yourself...even though it obviously doesnt work everytime so you have to be prepared for the worst if it fails
I was not comparing the situations. Those were just examples of leaks working out and Bishop's that did not and the expectations that sometimes come with doing it. Game too yeah that did work out for him.
lol naw bruh u got me wrong...i meant that the shit i was goin on about might've been a lil off topic or compared to what you were sayin
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The only artist that I have seen on Aftermath that had success in leaking records without permission is 50 Cent. That is what got the buzz going for The Massacre in the first place was him leaking material. So as much as they "did not like it", money wise and from a buzz and anticipation standpoint it worked. So being that is almost the standard from a label's standpoint, sure Bishop leaking Grow Up, it ended up on the radio, couple podcasts picked it up and some people got excited about it. But as unfair as this is going to sound, this is how labels think, it was not on the level of what 50 did. Not to the point people are demanding a Bishop album in the streets. So the label feels that he needs more time and they need more time to build him up as a artist. How ever long that is going to take.
not quite the same situation, but Game did something similar to that too..
he dropped a 16 on that "Certified Remix" song with Jim Jones and Cam'ron without permission (i think) and then Interscope/Dre didn't want Game to be in the video but he still did it anyway..
Dre and nem got real mad...even 50 spoke about this a while ago...
lookin back, that was one of the best moves for Game besides hookin up with G-Unit for his debut..because thats the song that really gave him a name on the Eastcoast
Sometimes thats just what you gotta do in this business, cuz no one is really lookin out 4 u like yourself...even though it obviously doesnt work everytime so you have to be prepared for the worst if it fails
I was not comparing the situations. Those were just examples of leaks working out and Bishop's that did not and the expectations that sometimes come with doing it. Game too yeah that did work out for him.
lol naw bruh u got me wrong...i meant that the shit i was goin on about might've been a lil off topic or compared to what you were sayin
My bad. Nah actually the Game example does fit in to this convo IMO.
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Amazing isn't it? Yeah I don't get it either. But it happens so often that when a West Coast artist is really hot I don't even expect anything to transpire from that anymore. Funny thing is, a lot of these dudes are basically independent and should've and probably could've dropped whenever they were ready. These niggas keep pushing back thinking they can do 50 Cent numbers. All thee New-West niggas need to have a sit down with Daz so he can explain to them how to put an album out whenever the fuck you want it out.
Same with Bishop Lamont, WHen Grow Up dropped a video was promised and all that. Eventually nothing happened, it downed down and he's been having Dropped rumors left and right lol
Thats a different story. Bishop is property of Dre (who is property of Jimmy Iovine), he makes absolutely NO decisions.
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Ya Boy had the biggest recent buzz with "We Run L.A." and nothing dropped for it, not even a youtube vid. Ya Boy has some real selling power if he collabs with the right people it could work. They even advertised and played "We Run L.A." on espn.
Young Keno also had a good buzz with the Lil Wayne & Lloyd single, "Things You Do," and a couple of his other tracks. He should have been pushed hard, he has that appeal.
People aren't going to buy nipsy hustle, jay rock, bishop lamont, crooked i, etc. you gotta be able to appeal to the mainstream on your records and these guys have little to no appeal for the masses. Look at how Twista was a battle rapper then he upgraded his style to keep his signature speed but mix it in with a little flow and some pimp beats and now he's a solid act.
I think the real reason is that record companies aren't taking chances on west coast artists. West coast artists haven't sold anything lately, including Snoop Dogg. E-40 has a better appeal nationwide than Snoop currently does. There really isn't anything going for the West. Artists that have the best chance to appeal if they work with the right producers and featured artists are Eastwood, Roscoe,Young Keno, and Ya Boy all have that potential. But the artists like Jay Rock, Big Wy, Mitchy Slick, and Sly Boogy have little charisma and appeal to branch out and do tracks for the clubs and masses. You gotta be able to do that to even have a chance today -- Pac was doing that back in the day with "How do you want it," and the "california love" track talkbox is similar to the autotune we're seeing today -- he really was ahead of his time, but he also rapped in an era that was favorable to the west coast g funk laid back urban movement.
Right now, it's hard enough just making money being a "rapper," let alone a "west coast" rapper. West coast rappers basically have little to no chance because they get no love in the South, and the East plays their own shit. They basically have 2 strikes before they even drop a record. Then you have the radio who don't play westcoast music hardly at all outside of LA, and even LA doesn't do as good of a job as they should with their own artists.
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E-40 has a better appeal nationwide than Snoop currently does. There really isn't anything going for the West. Artists that have the best chance to appeal if they work with the
E-40 doesn't have any appeal, Warner Bros. fucked it up with that "Ball Street Journal" shit which has been promoted unproperly and with the wrong singles. They tired to force E-40 to have the "right" features, but they failed. "Break Ya Ankles" could have been big with Lil Wayne or maybe even Lil Jon on it. I am happy "Got Rich Twice" was the second single which had a video but this has been a fail move also, because such a track won't get any love outside the yay. They should have pushed that "Turf Drop" track in a bigger way, that track had potential. As for right now, E-40 did the best thing he could do and left Warner Bros. for his new album.
To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
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To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you because people in the South aren't looking for Snoop Dogg, nor do they care about his records. That's part of the reason the record sales hit rock bottom on his last release -- no appeal in the South. The South is the majority of the country now population-wise, so you have to appeal your records to that demographic if you want to have a chance (also coupled with the fact that LA fans don't support LA artists by purchasing the records). E-40's "Tell Me When To Go" is a track you still hear in the clubs down in Miami. They aren't playing any Snoop Dogg tracks on there unless it's old like his Death Row tracks.
People in the South want to hear Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Bow Wow, Three Six Mafia, Yung L.A., Young Dro, Lil Wayne, T.I., Mack Mane, anything Cash Money, Rick Ross is huge in Florida, Fat Joe is eastcoast but he has a huge appeal in Miami cause he lives there and collabs with all those artists, Two Pistolz, Plies, and T-Pain is huge in the South. Florida has its own rap movement now, add on all the classic artists in Texas like your Paul Walls and Mike Jones and Scarfaces, and all the artists in Louisiana and Georgia and you have your answer why nobody is waiting or looking for West Coast Rap anymore. this is also the reason Dre is afraid to drop "Detox" because he doesn't know if he can compete with the Dirty South. It's kind of like the SEC Football, they run shit. That's why you see Snoop trying to collab with Gucci Mane and all these other cats cause he knows his record branches out more when he collabs with them then Nipsy Hustle, Jay Rock, or Damani. People in the South want the hard bass, the finger snappin, raw slow flow. And if you ain't got that, they don't wanna hear no old G-Funk All Nightaz/Warren G long beach shit.
This is why Soulja Boy can outsell Snoop and Ice Cube. Our classic artists have dried up and nobody except The Game has risen to the top in the new breed. And The Game stays relevant by collabing with everyone to reach out to different fan bases. The Westcoast rap scene hasn't been the same since the Up In Smoke Tour in 2000.
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thats not a buzz... most of people outside the forum don't even know those songs........ Buzz is when your song being played everywhere and people actually know who you are
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To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you because people in the South aren't looking for Snoop Dogg, nor do they care about his records. That's part of the reason the record sales hit rock bottom on his last release -- no appeal in the South. The South is the majority of the country now population-wise, so you have to appeal your records to that demographic if you want to have a chance (also coupled with the fact that LA fans don't support LA artists by purchasing the records). E-40's "Tell Me When To Go" is a track you still hear in the clubs down in Miami. They aren't playing any Snoop Dogg tracks on there unless it's old like his Death Row tracks.
People in the South want to hear Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Bow Wow, Three Six Mafia, Yung L.A., Young Dro, Lil Wayne, T.I., Mack Mane, anything Cash Money, Rick Ross is huge in Florida, Fat Joe is eastcoast but he has a huge appeal in Miami cause he lives there and collabs with all those artists, Two Pistolz, Plies, and T-Pain is huge in the South. Florida has its own rap movement now, add on all the classic artists in Texas like your Paul Walls and Mike Jones and Scarfaces, and all the artists in Louisiana and Georgia and you have your answer why nobody is waiting or looking for West Coast Rap anymore. this is also the reason Dre is afraid to drop "Detox" because he doesn't know if he can compete with the Dirty South. It's kind of like the SEC Football, they run shit. That's why you see Snoop trying to collab with Gucci Mane and all these other cats cause he knows his record branches out more when he collabs with them then Nipsy Hustle, Jay Rock, or Damani. People in the South want the hard bass, the finger snappin, raw slow flow. And if you ain't got that, they don't wanna hear no old G-Funk All Nightaz/Warren G long beach shit.
This is why Soulja Boy can outsell Snoop and Ice Cube. Our classic artists have dried up and nobody except The Game has risen to the top in the new breed. And The Game stays relevant by collabing with everyone to reach out to different fan bases. The Westcoast rap scene hasn't been the same since the Up In Smoke Tour in 2000.
Who gives a fuck what a few people in the south are looking for? Bottom line is that Snoop sells more than E-40. 40 has the entire south behind him, and Snoop released an R&B album and still sold more. Numbers don't lie.
Check your info, because Soulja Boy doesn't outsell Snoop. And Ice Cube doesn't sell platinum records anymore because he's an indie artist. You do realize that record labels pay radio stations to play their singles?
Its funny how people talk about Snoop and Ice Cube's album sales....then these same people call rappers like Rick Ross and Plies successful when they sell even less.
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Because West Coast artists with no album out, but have a buzz can still make money through appearances on other artists albums, through club venues, mixtape/song sales etc, and actually live ok with that, and many are able to take advantage of the free promotional tools out there. Youtube/The Internet, and some may even get some Music Magazine space, and in turn it works for them to shift even more mixtapes/songs, and appear on more clubs, and concerts..
Putting out an album, takes money, and depending on how much promotion, features, and buzz songs are on there, it can cost a considerably high amount, after you spent for radio spins, and everything else it can sometimes cost more to make an album than the profits obtained from it, and even more so in 2009 where albums are likely to sell 50,000 max, and that's with major buzz, just look at Slaughterhouse for an example
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To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you because people in the South aren't looking for Snoop Dogg, nor do they care about his records. That's part of the reason the record sales hit rock bottom on his last release -- no appeal in the South. The South is the majority of the country now population-wise, so you have to appeal your records to that demographic if you want to have a chance (also coupled with the fact that LA fans don't support LA artists by purchasing the records). E-40's "Tell Me When To Go" is a track you still hear in the clubs down in Miami. They aren't playing any Snoop Dogg tracks on there unless it's old like his Death Row tracks.
People in the South want to hear Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Bow Wow, Three Six Mafia, Yung L.A., Young Dro, Lil Wayne, T.I., Mack Mane, anything Cash Money, Rick Ross is huge in Florida, Fat Joe is eastcoast but he has a huge appeal in Miami cause he lives there and collabs with all those artists, Two Pistolz, Plies, and T-Pain is huge in the South. Florida has its own rap movement now, add on all the classic artists in Texas like your Paul Walls and Mike Jones and Scarfaces, and all the artists in Louisiana and Georgia and you have your answer why nobody is waiting or looking for West Coast Rap anymore. this is also the reason Dre is afraid to drop "Detox" because he doesn't know if he can compete with the Dirty South. It's kind of like the SEC Football, they run shit. That's why you see Snoop trying to collab with Gucci Mane and all these other cats cause he knows his record branches out more when he collabs with them then Nipsy Hustle, Jay Rock, or Damani. People in the South want the hard bass, the finger snappin, raw slow flow. And if you ain't got that, they don't wanna hear no old G-Funk All Nightaz/Warren G long beach shit.
This is why Soulja Boy can outsell Snoop and Ice Cube. Our classic artists have dried up and nobody except The Game has risen to the top in the new breed. And The Game stays relevant by collabing with everyone to reach out to different fan bases. The Westcoast rap scene hasn't been the same since the Up In Smoke Tour in 2000.
Who gives a fuck what a few people in the south are looking for? Bottom line is that Snoop sells more than E-40. 40 has the entire south behind him, and Snoop released an R&B album and still sold more. Numbers don't lie.
Check your info, because Soulja Boy doesn't outsell Snoop. And Ice Cube doesn't sell platinum records anymore because he's an indie artist. You do realize that record labels pay radio stations to play their singles?
Its funny how people talk about Snoop and Ice Cube's album sales....then these same people call rappers like Rick Ross and Plies successful when they sell even less.
Ego Trippin has over 500k sales and souljaboytellem.com has over 1 million records sold. The South is where the majority of the country lives, so it does matter for sales.
How is Ross selling less? Cube has sold 500k Gold with ‘Laugh Now, Cry Later’ and ‘Raw Footage’ sold 300k. Ross sold 700k with “Port of Miami” and 700k with “Trilla.” Plies sold 350k with “Da Realist” and 400k with “Definition of Real.”
E-40 sold platinum with "my Ghetto Report Card" and what has snoop done lately?
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To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you because people in the South aren't looking for Snoop Dogg, nor do they care about his records. That's part of the reason the record sales hit rock bottom on his last release -- no appeal in the South. The South is the majority of the country now population-wise, so you have to appeal your records to that demographic if you want to have a chance (also coupled with the fact that LA fans don't support LA artists by purchasing the records). E-40's "Tell Me When To Go" is a track you still hear in the clubs down in Miami. They aren't playing any Snoop Dogg tracks on there unless it's old like his Death Row tracks.
People in the South want to hear Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Bow Wow, Three Six Mafia, Yung L.A., Young Dro, Lil Wayne, T.I., Mack Mane, anything Cash Money, Rick Ross is huge in Florida, Fat Joe is eastcoast but he has a huge appeal in Miami cause he lives there and collabs with all those artists, Two Pistolz, Plies, and T-Pain is huge in the South. Florida has its own rap movement now, add on all the classic artists in Texas like your Paul Walls and Mike Jones and Scarfaces, and all the artists in Louisiana and Georgia and you have your answer why nobody is waiting or looking for West Coast Rap anymore. this is also the reason Dre is afraid to drop "Detox" because he doesn't know if he can compete with the Dirty South. It's kind of like the SEC Football, they run shit. That's why you see Snoop trying to collab with Gucci Mane and all these other cats cause he knows his record branches out more when he collabs with them then Nipsy Hustle, Jay Rock, or Damani. People in the South want the hard bass, the finger snappin, raw slow flow. And if you ain't got that, they don't wanna hear no old G-Funk All Nightaz/Warren G long beach shit.
This is why Soulja Boy can outsell Snoop and Ice Cube. Our classic artists have dried up and nobody except The Game has risen to the top in the new breed. And The Game stays relevant by collabing with everyone to reach out to different fan bases. The Westcoast rap scene hasn't been the same since the Up In Smoke Tour in 2000.
Who gives a fuck what a few people in the south are looking for? Bottom line is that Snoop sells more than E-40. 40 has the entire south behind him, and Snoop released an R&B album and still sold more. Numbers don't lie.
Check your info, because Soulja Boy doesn't outsell Snoop. And Ice Cube doesn't sell platinum records anymore because he's an indie artist. You do realize that record labels pay radio stations to play their singles?
Its funny how people talk about Snoop and Ice Cube's album sales....then these same people call rappers like Rick Ross and Plies successful when they sell even less.
Ego Trippin has over 500k sales and souljaboytellem.com has over 1 million records sold. The South is where the majority of the country lives, so it does matter for sales.
How is Ross selling less? Cube has sold 500k Gold with ‘Laugh Now, Cry Later’ and ‘Raw Footage’ sold 300k. Ross sold 700k with “Port of Miami” and 700k with “Trilla.” Plies sold 350k with “Da Realist” and 400k with “Definition of Real.”
E-40 sold platinum with "my Ghetto Report Card" and what has snoop done lately?
My Ghetto Report Card do not go platinum, it went gold. Came out same year as Laugh Now Cry Later. Blue Carpet Treatment came out for Snoop that same year and is alot closer to platinum then 40 is at this point. Rick Ross' latest album is MAYBE at 375k and Soulja Boy's last album flopped.
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But since we are throwing Soulja Boy in the convo here Love, (no homo) there is one artist from C A L I F O R N I A that has out sold ya boy Soulja and Rick Ross and Plies and did it as recent as this year. I will give ya some time to figure out who it is.
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To that comparison with Snoop, I don't agree with that. Snoop is and always has been a big household name who still has his own shows on TV etc. Snoop is everywhere, if you like it or not. His last album didn't do that good because he picked singles that he felt he should pick. He wasn't appealing to the masses at all with that "My Medicine" track or "Neva Have 2 Worry" as well... but he wanted to drop them, that's Snoop. The only exception was "Sexual Eruption" aka "Sensual Seduction" and this was a top 10 hit and even got radioplay in europe. So you can't say Snoop hasn't as much appeal as E-40. Plus, Snoop was featured on so many big albums throughout the last years, people won't forget him.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you because people in the South aren't looking for Snoop Dogg, nor do they care about his records. That's part of the reason the record sales hit rock bottom on his last release -- no appeal in the South. The South is the majority of the country now population-wise, so you have to appeal your records to that demographic if you want to have a chance (also coupled with the fact that LA fans don't support LA artists by purchasing the records). E-40's "Tell Me When To Go" is a track you still hear in the clubs down in Miami. They aren't playing any Snoop Dogg tracks on there unless it's old like his Death Row tracks.
People in the South want to hear Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Bow Wow, Three Six Mafia, Yung L.A., Young Dro, Lil Wayne, T.I., Mack Mane, anything Cash Money, Rick Ross is huge in Florida, Fat Joe is eastcoast but he has a huge appeal in Miami cause he lives there and collabs with all those artists, Two Pistolz, Plies, and T-Pain is huge in the South. Florida has its own rap movement now, add on all the classic artists in Texas like your Paul Walls and Mike Jones and Scarfaces, and all the artists in Louisiana and Georgia and you have your answer why nobody is waiting or looking for West Coast Rap anymore. this is also the reason Dre is afraid to drop "Detox" because he doesn't know if he can compete with the Dirty South. It's kind of like the SEC Football, they run shit. That's why you see Snoop trying to collab with Gucci Mane and all these other cats cause he knows his record branches out more when he collabs with them then Nipsy Hustle, Jay Rock, or Damani. People in the South want the hard bass, the finger snappin, raw slow flow. And if you ain't got that, they don't wanna hear no old G-Funk All Nightaz/Warren G long beach shit.
This is why Soulja Boy can outsell Snoop and Ice Cube. Our classic artists have dried up and nobody except The Game has risen to the top in the new breed. And The Game stays relevant by collabing with everyone to reach out to different fan bases. The Westcoast rap scene hasn't been the same since the Up In Smoke Tour in 2000.
Who gives a fuck what a few people in the south are looking for? Bottom line is that Snoop sells more than E-40. 40 has the entire south behind him, and Snoop released an R&B album and still sold more. Numbers don't lie.
Check your info, because Soulja Boy doesn't outsell Snoop. And Ice Cube doesn't sell platinum records anymore because he's an indie artist. You do realize that record labels pay radio stations to play their singles?
Its funny how people talk about Snoop and Ice Cube's album sales....then these same people call rappers like Rick Ross and Plies successful when they sell even less.
Ego Trippin has over 500k sales and souljaboytellem.com has over 1 million records sold. The South is where the majority of the country lives, so it does matter for sales.
How is Ross selling less? Cube has sold 500k Gold with ‘Laugh Now, Cry Later’ and ‘Raw Footage’ sold 300k. Ross sold 700k with “Port of Miami” and 700k with “Trilla.” Plies sold 350k with “Da Realist” and 400k with “Definition of Real.”
E-40 sold platinum with "my Ghetto Report Card" and what has snoop done lately?
Check your figures before you speak. Ego Trippin has sold more than the last albums of all the artists you mentioned.
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Check the worldwide sales here:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=231327.0
Ego Trippin sold more than shitty Soulja Boi's second album. The south really isn't doing as great as people think.
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Check the worldwide sales here:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=231327.0
Ego Trippin sold more than shitty Soulja Boi's second album. The south really isn't doing as great as people think.
Eh, that's kinda true, kinda not true....it's fact that the South has a milliion radio/commercial/club hits out there, and it's been that way most of the decade, and it's fact that only a few artists (T.I., Luda, Outkast, Wayne) really sell major units. Thing is...since 2005, I'm not even sure if there's been a single West Coast album to go platinum. I can check Game, Snoop, E-40, Too Short...but I doubt any of these have gone platinum....so even if the South ain't sellin as much as we sold in the 90's, they are still shittin on us and the East. Low key, the Midwest has seen the most success this decade with radio play AND sales.
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Check the worldwide sales here:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=231327.0
Ego Trippin sold more than shitty Soulja Boi's second album. The south really isn't doing as great as people think.
Eh, that's kinda true, kinda not true....it's fact that the South has a milliion radio/commercial/club hits out there, and it's been that way most of the decade, and it's fact that only a few artists (T.I., Luda, Outkast, Wayne) really sell major units. Thing is...since 2005, I'm not even sure if there's been a single West Coast album to go platinum. I can check Game, Snoop, E-40, Too Short...but I doubt any of these have gone platinum....so even if the South ain't sellin as much as we sold in the 90's, they are still shittin on us and the East. Low key, the Midwest has seen the most success this decade with radio play AND sales.
Yeah that is true. I guess what gets everyones riled up is when people suggest we should do what the south is doing to get success. Throwing T-Pain on any random track or doing 8 club records instead of 2 does not make you a overnight celebrity. I do agree that there are alot of issues going on musically out west but selling out to up sales should not be one of them. It will blow up in your face 90% of the time (excluding Black Eyed Peas lol)
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Ego Trippin has over 500k sales and souljaboytellem.com has over 1 million records sold. The South is where the majority of the country lives, so it does matter for sales.
How is Ross selling less? Cube has sold 500k Gold with ‘Laugh Now, Cry Later’ and ‘Raw Footage’ sold 300k. Ross sold 700k with “Port of Miami” and 700k with “Trilla.” Plies sold 350k with “Da Realist” and 400k with “Definition of Real.”
E-40 sold platinum with "my Ghetto Report Card" and what has snoop done lately?
I disagree somewhat. Artists don't need to make records like Gucci, Bow Wow, Wayne to sell big numbers. That's rubbish just because they're from the South, and have hype at the moment, the rest don't need to follow suit. For one - They're wack, and two - fresh innovative music does sell big. If history has taught us anything, it's that people can come out of nowhere and sell huge numbers, with good quality albums. Just look at 50 Cents Get Rich or Die Tryin' (diamond status) or Games Documentary, which was only released in 2005, and sold around 9 million worldwide and will probably reach diamond status in the next few years. No Gucci, or Lil Wayne will ever aspire to such numbers. Weak watered down club trash seems to be the mainstream climax for Hip Hop, which fortunately for people like Wayne and a LOT of Southern rappers - works out for them extremely well for them - for the time being that is!!! But Hip Hop works in cycles. Eventually the trend will move to another coast, while others pop up and hit multi platinum success, and whatever coast is on top means that all coasts are buying it in some shape or form. The south would have been buying West Coast records in the mid 90's, but some South cats never made West records. Some stuck to what they done, and waited until it came to their time where their style was favoured or chosen to lead commercial Hip Hop.
& E-40. The guys voice is annoying. It took me to listen to 'Ghetto Report Card' from start to finish but never gave it a second listen. I wasn't the only one. Snoop is a globally recognized name where investors, and business ventures will be easier to obtain in Snoops position. E-40, Lil Wayne or anyone else similar regardless of sales wont have the same confidence in long term business ventures from big corporations. Snoop doesn't need to sell big to make big money anymore
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knoc was a good example of this...couldve blown up after bad intentions
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knoc was a good example of this...couldve blown up after bad intentions
Yeah I always thought the label dropped the ball on his projects. But Knoc was so close to blowing up & he was and still is keeping it westcoast.
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Check the worldwide sales here:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=231327.0
Ego Trippin sold more than shitty Soulja Boi's second album. The south really isn't doing as great as people think.
Eh, that's kinda true, kinda not true....it's fact that the South has a milliion radio/commercial/club hits out there, and it's been that way most of the decade, and it's fact that only a few artists (T.I., Luda, Outkast, Wayne) really sell major units. Thing is...since 2005, I'm not even sure if there's been a single West Coast album to go platinum. I can check Game, Snoop, E-40, Too Short...but I doubt any of these have gone platinum....so even if the South ain't sellin as much as we sold in the 90's, they are still shittin on us and the East. Low key, the Midwest has seen the most success this decade with radio play AND sales.
Yeah that is true. I guess what gets everyones riled up is when people suggest we should do what the south is doing to get success. Throwing T-Pain on any random track or doing 8 club records instead of 2 does not make you a overnight celebrity. I do agree that there are alot of issues going on musically out west but selling out to up sales should not be one of them. It will blow up in your face 90% of the time (excluding Black Eyed Peas lol)
yeah i don't care whether 'the west' will ever be on top again, i'm just looking for good music, not carbon copies
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What the West needs is a 2pac and no I do not mean a rapper like Pac. I mean, the West has beem used and spit out like a $2 whore. Everyone comes here and shoots video's, or like the weed, or buys homes here, but not many are showing the West love and putting the artists on some radio friendly singles. We need someone to say enough the way Pac would. We need someone to say that if you are not going to show real love to the west, then get the fuck on. The west has become soft and no one wants to be the bad guy. Like 50 Cent or not, he always stands his ground, the West could use a guy like that.