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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: infinite59 on November 08, 2002, 02:51:38 PM
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Everyone wants to talk about how in the Middle East they beat their women, that Muslims beat their women, etc... It isn't Muslims beating their women, Muslim women are treated well, live in good families and stay married. It's Christians, atheists, here in America beating their women every nine seconds of the day!!!!!!! Check the stats...
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Almost four million American women were physically abused by their husbands or boyfriends in the last year alone.
A woman is physically abused every nine seconds in this country.
Two-thirds of attacks on women are committed by someone the victim knows - often a husband or boyfriend.
Women are more often victims of domestic abuse than victims of burglary, muggings, or other physical crime combined.
Forty-two percent of murdered women are killed by their intimate male partners.
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thats cause in the u.s. women have the freedom to report it to authorities and the men will actually pay some consequences....you think in the middle eas women will have a fair chance at this...me either...dumb ass muslim
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Man if the Koran ENCOURAGES woman beatings then U think ppl are gonnabeat women less, hahahaahahahhaa
and I don't see any stats for the middleeast neither, even though there it is MAJORLY underreported.
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Man if the Koran ENCOURAGES woman beatings then U think ppl are gonnabeat women less, hahahaahahahhaa
and I don't see any stats for the middleeast neither, even though there it is MAJORLY underreported.
1. Islam doesn't encourage women beating.
2. America encourages alcoholism. And 8 out of every 10 of these crimes alcohol abuse is involved.
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Man if the Koran ENCOURAGES woman beatings then U think ppl are gonnabeat women less, hahahaahahahhaa
and I don't see any stats for the middleeast neither, even though there it is MAJORLY underreported.
lol, wat tha fuc is this? U embarress yurself in every fucin thread U loser.....just chill.....
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Well I was saying Islam says its OK, and if somewhere something is said OK, ppl are gonna abuse it, thats how humans are. And YES Islam DOES encourage woman beating...if she is at fault. Yes American does promote alchol use..so whats ur point? ...still doesnt mean america does have more abuse than middleast
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Well I was saying Islam says its OK, and if somewhere something is said OK, ppl are gonna abuse it, thats how humans are. And YES Islam DOES encourage woman beating...if she is at fault. Yes American does promote alchol use..so whats ur point? ...still doesnt mean america does have more abuse than middleast
You know, hindus encouraged the cast system, aka racism. And i think christinaty supports woman beating if 'she is at fault' too...
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Well I was saying Islam says its OK, and if somewhere something is said OK, ppl are gonna abuse it, thats how humans are. And YES Islam DOES encourage woman beating...if she is at fault. Yes American does promote alchol use..so whats ur point? ...still doesnt mean america does have more abuse than middleast
You know, hindus encouraged the cast system, aka racism. And i think christinaty supports woman beating if 'she is at fault' too...
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Word... and the Qur'an only says if the woman is completely out of line then you can restrain her "lightly". We aren't talking about knock-down drag out fights that happen here in America.
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Well I was saying Islam says its OK, and if somewhere something is said OK, ppl are gonna abuse it, thats how humans are. And YES Islam DOES encourage woman beating...if she is at fault. Yes American does promote alchol use..so whats ur point? ...still doesnt mean america does have more abuse than middleast
You know, hindus encouraged the cast system, aka racism. And i think christinaty supports woman beating if 'she is at fault' too...
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The cast system is not "racism" lol...its CLASSISM, it doesnt discriminate based on race, it sets down certain classes people fall into and according to that U are supposed to stay in that class forever. Yeah and now its abolished in India.
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Christianity doesn't support any kind of abuse or physicality towards a woman. One of the most interesting parts of the entire bible is the respect Christ showed to all women... Read how he acted at the wedding his family attended, or how he treated the adulterous woman.
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why has this turned into a fukin Religious debate? I realize EVERY single topic turns that way in hall of mirrors. But thiz isnt a "religious" subject. Itz a regional one. Women are 'beatin' all over the world. It should stop, who givez a shit where itz done more. I SORTA understand Infinites reasoning for making this thread....because people are so quick to assume that men in the middle east are monsters about this shit. Tha thing iz, what makes the shit shocking frum sum middle eastern countries...isnt tha FACT that women are beat...shit, theyre beat here too. Itz tha FACT that it iz so accepted. I mean, u gotta admit...in sum middle eastern countries...woman are TRULY second class citizens. No one can deny it. I have no prollem admitting tha fuked up thingz about America...n i KNOW Infinite doesnt lol. Others need to do tha same about they countries. Im not tha most patriotic muhafucka AT ALL. But dont hate America SO much Infinite...i mean damn homie, this is the country u live in. It does allow u to practice your religion n your beliefs. Im assuming youve never even lived in any other country before (i might be wrong, who knows). True, there needs to be light shed on tha fuked up thingz goin on here...but itz not ALL negative. Ill be tha first to point out what goes wrong, but there ARE otha countriez more fuked up then thiz one righ now...n if anybody thinkz thats not true...they needa find out whas really goin on.
u know im coo wit u homie, n i respect most of tha shit u put up on here...but real shit, this thread....has almost no reason fah bein here. Women being beat, isnt exactly a competition. Terrorist attacks are much more common in the middle east then here...but it doesnt mean that we, as Americans should celebrate that either.
And for tha otherz who posted in here...realize, "Muslims" and "Middle Eastern people" are 2 different thingz. It seems to be hard fah people to figure out, but they are. If a middle eastern cuntry is having problems, or has fuked up policies...it has NOTHING to do with the religion there...it has EVERYthing to do with the government in place. I mean, this is a predominantly Christian cuntry...does that mean, that Christianity is to blame for our murder rate n poverty levelz here? no.
When yah post on here....try not tah let yur heart control yur brainz yall lol
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and rap quake, u dont really believe the caste system has been abolished in its entirety do u?
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Haha Tone I think ur wrong...many fucked up policies are caused BECAUSE of Islam, unlik ewhat ur saying. Islamic (aka Cruelistic) Law is imposed on many middle eastern countries and that is directly because of Islam. In most of these nations Hindus, Christians, etc have less rights and freedom, because of ISLAM...women beatings aren't punished...because ISLAM says its OK. a few things are fucked up and dont forget many of these middleeastern countries are "ISLAMIC STATES"...islam is a strong part of the society over there...so dont be talking BS .about middleasterns and muslims aren't the same thing
Oh yeah and U were giving an example of America being a christian country...well crime rate???? do u see high crime rate in ALL christian countries? NO! PLUS in America the CONSTITUTION says that religion has to be kept comlpetely seperate from State...so dont Use America, dude.
And Tech...yes the cast system has been abolished entirely..however in some areas it is hard to enforce, naturally. At least in theory and most of practicality its gone.
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Haha Tone I think ur wrong...many fucked up policies are caused BECAUSE of Islam, unlik ewhat ur saying. Islamic (aka Cruelistic) Law is imposed on many middle eastern countries and that is directly because of Islam. In most of these nations Hindus, Christians, etc have less rights and freedom, because of ISLAM...women beatings aren't punished...because ISLAM says its OK. a few things are fucked up and dont forget many of these middleeastern countries are "ISLAMIC STATES"...islam is a strong part of the society over there...so dont be talking BS .about middleasterns and muslims aren't the same thing
Oh yeah and U were giving an example of America being a christian country...well crime rate???? do u see high crime rate in ALL christian countries? NO! PLUS in America the CONSTITUTION says that religion has to be kept comlpetely seperate from State...so dont Use America, dude.
And Tech...yes the cast system has been abolished entirely..however in some areas it is hard to enforce, naturally. At least in theory and most of practicality its gone.
^^ok, but there are other Christian/Catholic countries with much higher crime rates as well. A country like Egypt which iz by far a majority Muslim, does not have an unbelievably high crime rate. Nor does Saudi Arabia frum my understanding.
One more thing, if ISLAM is what is creating all these problems...wouldnt Muslims in the US be the also follow tha same path? Islam is Islam...regardless of where its practice. So why would Muslims in America, commit less crime then Muslims in a place like the middle east? Because of the government in place. To say crime, relates to religion....would be the same as equating crime...to what race u are. Thas fukin stupid.
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oh yeah and rap quake
outta all those middle eastern countries...
how many are pure Islamic regimes and how many are US puppets?
Egypt
Morocco
Jordan
Kuwait
Crescent states
Saudi Arabia
are all puppet regimes
Libya
Syria
Iraq
are socialist for the most part except for Libya which is Quasi-Islamic/socialist (but even most pious muslims will tell ya Qaddafi aint no prophet)
so i fail to see your argument here?
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Haha Tone I think ur wrong...many fucked up policies are caused BECAUSE of Islam, unlik ewhat ur saying. Islamic (aka Cruelistic) Law is imposed on many middle eastern countries and that is directly because of Islam. In most of these nations Hindus, Christians, etc have less rights and freedom, because of ISLAM...women beatings aren't punished...because ISLAM says its OK. a few things are fucked up and dont forget many of these middleeastern countries are "ISLAMIC STATES"...islam is a strong part of the society over there...so dont be talking BS .about middleasterns and muslims aren't the same thing
Oh yeah and U were giving an example of America being a christian country...well crime rate???? do u see high crime rate in ALL christian countries? NO! PLUS in America the CONSTITUTION says that religion has to be kept comlpetely seperate from State...so dont Use America, dude.
And Tech...yes the cast system has been abolished entirely..however in some areas it is hard to enforce, naturally. At least in theory and most of practicality its gone.
^^ok, but there are other Christian/Catholic countries with much higher crime rates as well. A country like Egypt which iz by far a majority Muslim, does not have an unbelievably high crime rate. Nor does Saudi Arabia frum my understanding.
One more thing, if ISLAM is what is creating all these problems...wouldnt Muslims in the US be the also follow tha same path? Islam is Islam...regardless of where its practice. So why would Muslims in America, commit less crime then Muslims in a place like the middle east? Because of the government in place. To say crime, relates to religion....would be the same as equating crime...to what race u are. Thas fukin stupid.
as matter fact, people in usa convert to islam release themselfs from their criminal life....
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2. America encourages alcoholism. And 8 out of every 10 of these crimes alcohol abuse is involved.
get it straight bud ....the american gov't in no way promotes alchohol, the only envovement america has in alchohol is limiting and lowering the alcahol level (which alkeez always bitch about "aaaaah damn gov't keeps making this shit more and more like water" and when they prohibited the stuff and unprohibited it. American Corperations support it .....but they have an equal legal right to promote their legalized product as an islamic publisure
and the reason why the #s are higher here in the WESTERN HIMISPHERE is becuase people have freedom of speech and those reports are allowed to be filed and exposed......now let's go to a middleeastern state and a woman doesn't even know she can report a backhand or a woman would be scared to death to report something like that....and if she had the guts to, who'd she report it to....A MAN....a man whose not going to care it's hard to get LEGIT statistics when theres not a real voice for those other people with the "low percentage"
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This is a subject that cannot be used to say "our country is better than yours", or "our religion is better than yours". Women beating takes place in both societys and both societys need to deal with it.
It's true that Islam gets a bad name for it's human rights record, especially with women, but you have to understand where this view comes from. Being neutral and not at all in favour of american politics, i still have to say some of the human rights cases in the middle east and africa are horrendous. As someone said, it has to do with very backward laws, for instance, making adultery punishable by death. I think that is stupid to put it mildly. While it may be "morally" wrong, governments have no right to punish people for something of such a private nature. I also think veils should be worn as optional, and generally a seperation of religion and state be made, where the law of the land is above the law of the Qu'ran.
I honestly don't know how America can stamp out women beating. Education maybe, or just a better upbringing, better social services to combat dysfunctionality in families. American society seems to have rotted from the inside out and only the shell seems attractive. Maybe you need to plant some new seeds and see if you can grow a better fruit.