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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: woof on October 18, 2009, 09:04:49 AM
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thats what they are saying on the official deathrow forum
someone tested his retail cd with auCDtect and found they were originally mp3 files!!
by Schreibs21 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:32 pm
I decided to check the songs from The Lost Sessions using aucdtect, I was quite shocked, I'd advise anyone else that check wav's to do the same, some big surprises in there, I wanna make sure mine wasn't a fluke.
by Schreibs21 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:45 pm
admin wrote:yeah what did you find Schriebs?
well I want someone else to confirm it also, but a number of the songs ripped straight from the cd to wav files came back as originally mp3 files.
by admin on Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:28 pm
Scribes shoot me a PM so we can forward on the information you discovered.
http://www.deathrowmusic.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111&start=30
mixing problems and now this?? i wouldnt be suprised if it was true. its well known KOCH used mp3 files on 15 Years On Death Row and 15 Years On Death Row Vol 2
auCDtect - is a program for determining the authenticity of musical CD records, using the character of the audio information it contains, and predict its possible source is it an original studio record or a reconstruction from a lossy encoded data (for example, MP3).
Accuracy: >95% (for detecting mp3s)
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Why am I not surprised. Cheapskates.
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i ordered this a couple days ago.
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yea that was me, 3 songs came back as mp3, eat a dick, o.g. and got to do wrong. 4 came back as cdda, doggystyle being one of them, the rest it could not determine the source.
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thats crazy as hell
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It doesn't really surprise me considering they rip the tracks anyhow in MP3.
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there were 6 wavs\
2 mp3s
and 10 unknowns
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there were 6 wavs\
2 mp3s
and 10 unknowns
interesting so you got something different, of course that's why I wanted other people to check also.
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lol it's so they can re-make a "REMASTERED" version of it and make more feddi.
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pathetic. not that it was neccesarily made from mp3s, but it does verify that the sound quality was very poor. although its not exactly hard to hear that.
i've used a little app called tau analyzer before that does the same kind of thing. real useful cause i couldn't remember if particular burnt cds were direct copies of originals or made from mp3s.
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pathetic. not that it was neccesarily made from mp3s, but it does verify that the sound quality was very poor. although its not exactly hard to hear that.
i've used a little app called tau analyzer before that does the same kind of thing. real useful cause i couldn't remember if particular burnt cds were direct copies of originals or made from mp3s.
yea I've been meaning to use tau analyzer as well, it's made by the same people that make aucdtect.
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weird. Why wouldnt they just get directly from the DAT tapes if they have em. Does it cost more money for that to be done. Someone should get at the owner with this info. Shameful
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weird. Why wouldnt they just get directly from the DAT tapes if they have em. Does it cost more money for that to be done. Someone should get at the owner with this info. Shameful
It's just them assuming that fans can't tell the difference and we all obviously could after one listen. I attribute it to lazy and careless work ethic.
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wow, weird fo real...
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weird. Why wouldnt they just get directly from the DAT tapes if they have em. Does it cost more money for that to be done. Someone should get at the owner with this info. Shameful
It's just them assuming that fans can't tell the difference and we all obviously could after one listen. I attribute it to lazy and careless work ethic.
Don't forget Cheapassery.
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i'm going to think twice before buying the box set now....
can anyone check "too gangsta for radio" and see if death row was using mp3s back then?
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I had to do it fuck a WIDEawake!!!
:o fuck that this is an out-rage!!
(http://i38.tinypic.com/wvznnc.jpg)
ON THOSE WHO INSIST TO RIP US THE FANS OFF!
since they be braggin about their vaults and all w/ DATS & REELS, you'd a thought they invest in modern technology [http://flac.sourceforge.net/ (http://flac.sourceforge.net/)]to release this shit! but nooooooooooooo they think were dumb animals.
PM ME 4 those that want the official iTunes download, HQ 320 kbps mp3 rip of the CD/ BestBuy Bonus cuts. shit i should just post on here since some of the tracks are crapily sourced anyway!! damn they're worst than bootleggers at least they try to give you some quality...
say hello to being banned
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i'm going to think twice before buying the box set now....
can anyone check "too gangsta for radio" and see if death row was using mp3s back then?
The first edition is WAV's. I don't know about the re-issue though. I never really listened to the re-issue, it just got bought and placed away collecting dust. Death Row even in those days put full efforts into correctly mixing and mastering the music. Even Friends on that compilation, which you can still hear the original sample sounded really clear. Miles better than the more recent WIDEawake/Death Row music
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John Payne :
I take full responsibility for that. We have a team of people, but I would rather that burden be placed on my head. Because I'm the one who goes to the vault and gets it out, and I go through the entire production process from start to finish. We pull it out of the vault and make sure that it's in good physical condition...and then all we've done is re-mastered. We've changed nothing, for that Snoop release and the Re-Lit that we did on Dre -- I take the full responsibility. So if anyone has any complaints or problems, blame me.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=233341.0
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For those of us who aren't all too savvy with all this audio shit, some explain to me, why these would have ever been made into mp3 form to begin with. What I mean by that is, since many of these were recorded before the use of mp3s, there would have never been any reason for them to be converted into mp3 as any part of the recording process, correct? So, if these were made into mp3s, it was done strictly for the purpose of selling them on this "Lost Sessions" cd, right? If you're starting out with the DATs, is converting them into mp3s, in any way, an easier process than just making them wavs? And if they didn't have the DATs starting out, and had to start with an mp3, that also doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For one thing, I would have thought that they did have DATs for all of these songs. And I also wouldn't have thought Suge (or whoever for that matter) would have seen any point in making any of these old tracks into mp3s.
Sorry if any of this sounds incoherent. I'm not real up on a lot of the audio recording process.
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i'd bet the mp3s are all that exists for most of these tracks
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For those of us who aren't all too savvy with all this audio shit, some explain to me, why these would have ever been made into mp3 form to begin with. What I mean by that is, since many of these were recorded before the use of mp3s, there would have never been any reason for them to be converted into mp3 as any part of the recording process, correct? So, if these were made into mp3s, it was done strictly for the purpose of selling them on this "Lost Sessions" cd, right? If you're starting out with the DATs, is converting them into mp3s, in any way, an easier process than just making them wavs? And if they didn't have the DATs starting out, and had to start with an mp3, that also doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For one thing, I would have thought that they did have DATs for all of these songs. And I also wouldn't have thought Suge (or whoever for that matter) would have seen any point in making any of these old tracks into mp3s.
Sorry if any of this sounds incoherent. I'm not real up on a lot of the audio recording process.
people say that am7 was an integral part of the track selection, so maybe they made the songs into mp3 to email back and forth between him or maybe just internally. realistically an mp3 versus a wave won't make much difference here since the tracks are poorly mixed before any encoding, but it's very unprofessional and just sloppy. the old death row would never have engaged in any of this nonsense.
for your information, a dat is a raw audio stream that when ripped generates a wave. making them into mp3 actually adds a step into the ripping process so there's no justification of time savings in doing this. look back at the records - there are catalogs of reels and dats (both waves). nothing was stored as mp3.
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Cheesfry,
You are correct about Hyland selecting tracks. It's why Lara calls him "an invaluable asset to the company". He chooses tracks, Payne mixes, etc. but despite this - this is the only thing everyone gets along with. Lol. They keep an FTP server full of tracks, so Hyland can go through and choose. Payne keeps them on his computer as well.
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For those of us who aren't all too savvy with all this audio shit, some explain to me, why these would have ever been made into mp3 form to begin with. What I mean by that is, since many of these were recorded before the use of mp3s, there would have never been any reason for them to be converted into mp3 as any part of the recording process, correct? So, if these were made into mp3s, it was done strictly for the purpose of selling them on this "Lost Sessions" cd, right? If you're starting out with the DATs, is converting them into mp3s, in any way, an easier process than just making them wavs? And if they didn't have the DATs starting out, and had to start with an mp3, that also doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For one thing, I would have thought that they did have DATs for all of these songs. And I also wouldn't have thought Suge (or whoever for that matter) would have seen any point in making any of these old tracks into mp3s.
Sorry if any of this sounds incoherent. I'm not real up on a lot of the audio recording process.
people say that am7 was an integral part of the track selection, so maybe they made the songs into mp3 to email back and forth between him or maybe just internally. realistically an mp3 versus a wave won't make much difference here since the tracks are poorly mixed before any encoding, but it's very unprofessional and just sloppy. the old death row would never have engaged in any of this nonsense.
for your information, a dat is a raw audio stream that when ripped generates a wave. making them into mp3 actually adds a step into the ripping process so there's no justification of time savings in doing this. look back at the records - there are catalogs of reels and dats (both waves). nothing was stored as mp3.
Thank you for clarifying some of those points. I also didn't think that it made any sense to make any of these tracks into mp3. I've been a supporter of what Wideawake has tried to do, ever since they acquired the Death Row name, but even I won't try to justify putting mp3s on a retail cd. It seems totally unnecessary, and of no benefit, sound quality-wise.
Your explanation of why they might have originally made the mp3s sounds logical. If Lavi has been asking Hyland to help her with selecting tracks for these releases, sending them as mp3s back and forth through e-mails seems reasonable. Of course, that should have been the extent of using mp3s though. They never should have used them for the actual retail cds.
Looking back on their very first release, the three track sampler for record store day, all three of those songs were pretty large wav files. And the sound quality seemed very good. It makes me wonder why their two releases since then, have fallen so short of the same standard.
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It's so surprising invaluable assets never leave the house. I can't believe Lara visited him.
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what exactly does this mean regarding sound quality?
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what exactly does this mean regarding sound quality?
not a ton, but it certainly didn't help matters. if they had true cdq music then yes, this practice would have degraded the sound quality. this whole thing just makes these people look more and more like FTPE instead of like a real record label that is worth $18M.
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you know what, whether they are being shady or not, it sure as hell beats the shit out of the bootlegger prices that people been selling this stuff beforehand.
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you know what, whether they are being shady or not, it sure as hell beats the shit out of the bootlegger prices that people been selling this stuff beforehand.
By what seven dollars? Lol. The O.F.T.B. CD went for like 20 dollars flat - some CD's were even cheaper than that for like ten dollars.
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you know what, whether they are being shady or not, it sure as hell beats the shit out of the bootlegger prices that people been selling this stuff beforehand.
By what seven dollars? Lol. The O.F.T.B. CD went for like 20 dollars flat - some CD's were even cheaper than that for like ten dollars.
I don't know all the prices for every bootlegger cd, but I have seen some ridiculously high prices. Yeah, OFTB has to be sold for $20, because NOBODY is going to buy that cd. Other than hardcore deathrow fans, NOBODY knows who OFTB is.
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what about the chronic re-lit
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whats wrong with mp3?, lol
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whats wrong with mp3?, lol
Not sure if you are being serious, but mp3 suffer loss of quality as compared to wavs. We want the highest quality possible if we are going to pay out for it.
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whats wrong with mp3?, lol
you can't turn a 55 mb file into a 5 mb file without some loss. when you buy a retail cd you should never have to worry that the content has been degraded.
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I feel an conspiracy theory coming up ::)
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This whole thing reminds me of a punchline to a "2 jews walk into a bar" joke, except the joke's on us.
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i told yo bitch ass that u bein playrd for fools! doggystyle still sounds like the version i had years ago..
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Where are all the guys saying "I already have it, I can't wait for you to listen to this album.." bla bla bla.. fuck that, the music industry sucks.. Death Row is gonna fail again.
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what exactly does this mean regarding sound quality?
a whole lot! mp3 isnt lossless, and theres also musical compression involved, which is a technique to - lets keep it simple - louder the signal, anyhow, the original signal is gone, will never be the same.
also psychoacustic signals, that we might not hear is lost forever! some studio equipment magically can work with those unhearable frequencies, it triggers the effect differently, when its not there anymore.
professional mastering engineers, like brian big bass ALWAYS request WAV, or AIF. so if it has been mp3 inbetween means, they dont have the original source anymore.
its the explaination thing that makes sense.
but should it be released as a professional product then? i dont think so..
but the fans, we, are requesting this music, so they serve it. they shouldnt sell it though, if its not top notch produced..
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I had to do it fuck a WIDEawake!!!
:o fuck that this is an out-rage!!
(http://i38.tinypic.com/wvznnc.jpg)
ON THOSE WHO INSIST TO RIP US THE FANS OFF!
since they be braggin about their vaults and all w/ DATS & REELS, you'd a thought they invest in modern technology [http://flac.sourceforge.net/ (http://flac.sourceforge.net/)]to release this shit! but nooooooooooooo they think were dumb animals.
PM ME 4 those that want the official iTunes download, HQ 320 kbps mp3 rip of the CD/ BestBuy Bonus cuts. shit i should just post on here since some of the tracks are crapily sourced anyway!! damn they're worst than bootleggers at least they try to give you some quality...
say hello to being banned
say hello to the only person I answer to... MYSELF!! fuck off, retard!
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AUTHORITY :monkey_piss: :o
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It's so surprising invaluable assets never leave the house. I can't believe Lara visited him.
So now he will put RETAIL albums in SHITTY QUALITY and will be selling tracks in better quality as a bootleg lol,
back to the topic: it's really shame that it was mp3s, i was gonna buy it because it has a good tracks but now i don't know, maybe better for me to burn mp3s into audio, use LightScribe to do cd-cover, and print this shitty front and back cover and quality will be the same!
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even the free tracks they gave away in apple ipod format were near cdq
General
Complete name : K:\Albums\Kurupt\Tha Dogg Pound - I Roc Mics.m4a
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Apple AAC audio with iTunes info
Codec ID : M4A
File size : 7.24 MiB
Duration : 3mn 48s
Overall bit rate : 266 Kbps
Album : From The Death Row Vault
Track name : I Roc Mics
Track name/Position : 5
Track name/Total : 6
Performer : Tha Dogg Pound
Genre : Hip Hop/Rap
Encoded date : 2009
Tagged date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:13:25
Writing application : iTunes 8.2.1, QuickTime 7.6.2
Cover : Yes
Comment : © Copyright 2009 WIDEawake Death Row Entertainment, LLC. / This is a free download from the Death Row Vault as part of Death Row's Mystery Artist Contest. Visit www.deathrowmusic.com for more information.
Encoding Params : (Binary)
Audio
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 3mn 48s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 264.6 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 256 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 338 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 7.15 MiB (99%)
Encoded date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:08:00
Tagged date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:13:25
Complete name : K:\Albums\Kurupt\Kurupt - That's My.m4a
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Apple AAC audio with iTunes info
Codec ID : M4A
File size : 10.8 MiB
Duration : 5mn 42s
Overall bit rate : 265 Kbps
Album : From The Death Row Vault
Track name : That's My
Track name/Position : 6
Track name/Total : 6
Performer : Tha Dogg Pound
Genre : Hip Hop/Rap
Encoded date : 2009
Tagged date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:13:31
Writing application : iTunes 8.2.1, QuickTime 7.6.2
Cover : Yes
Comment : © Copyright 2009 WIDEawake Death Row Entertainment, LLC. / This is a free download from the Death Row Vault as part of Death Row's Mystery Artist Contest. Visit www.deathrowmusic.com for more information.
Encoding Params : (Binary)
Audio
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 5mn 42s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 264.6 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 256 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 324 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 10.7 MiB (99%)
Encoded date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:08:07
Tagged date : UTC 2009-07-30 18:13:31