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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: DTG Entertainment on October 22, 2009, 09:03:32 PM
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I ask you this, because times have changed drastically since the 1990's when fans didn't really have the chance to interact with artists. Labels have more control, and usually tend to make artists conform to the norms to move decent amounts of units which affects the artists as a whole. Sometimes, it's the artists picking out what they feel is best. Are we too critical of them or is it just as of the last few years the fans really have been able to voice their opinions openly - so it changes the game? Artists tend to get a bit displeased with us and so do labels.
One of the other reasons I ask you this is because I was a tad bit unhappy with Royce's Street Hop 2010. Royce hadn't released an album since 2005 when he did that independent record and six or seven tracks off that record I had heard months even years ago such as Shake That or Part Of Me. I was speaking in JoeBudden's BlogTV chatroom, and I said I just wish Shake That wouldn't have been on the album, because the track is two years old and Budden put me on blast saying "Fans are never happy, appreciate what you get, the album is great, blah blah blah." I thought Royce's album was very solid, but understand I don't want to hear the same tracks I heard years ago. I want new content, because it ain't a fucking mixtape - it's a damn album. I can give a few examples of people and companies who get pissed because of the fans voicing their opinions.
- WIDEawake
- Kurupt
- Daz Dillinger
- Joe Budden
- Warren G
So, should I be happy with my seven or so recycled tracks or should I have the right to voice my opinion and not get called out for something Mr. Budden clearly doesn't know about?
Personally, I was a bit displeased with Joey because I support Royce in all that he does, but I don't have my fucking right to an opinion? Come on Joey, lay off the medicine.
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
co sign to the fullest
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
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I think it's funny how rappers get so displeased now a days when we voice our opinions, but we are the ones paying for their lifestyle.
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
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I think it's funny how rappers get so displeased now a days when we voice our opinions, but we are the ones paying for their lifestyle.
Hell even if people do not buy the album they can voice they opinion. That would be like saying my vote for Obama does not count because I did not donate campaign money.
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Okay.... Let's put this into perspective.
Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
There was no internet hookups like now back then, so when you heard Shake This, it was only on a music video that you would have seen like twice on MTV, and would be so happy that it's on this CD now.
I purposely didn't listen to Part of Me alot cuz I knew it would be on the album. And after listening, I think it is my favorite track off the whole CD, still liked it as much as I did when it first leaked.
Fans have the right to express displeasure, but you gotta make sure you're not taking the artist for granted...
One suggestion: when I listen/download new songs, there's usually a bit of info from where it's coming from, if it's from an upcoming release, I'll just wait for the whole joint to come out, so every song is new to me. I even did this with singles sometimes.
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Okay.... Let's put this into perspective.
Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
There was no internet hookups like now back then, so when you heard Shake This, it was only on a music video that you would have seen like twice on MTV, and would be so happy that it's on this CD now.
I purposely didn't listen to Part of Me alot cuz I knew it would be on the album. And after listening, I think it is my favorite track off the whole CD, still liked it as much as I did when it first leaked.
Fans have the right to express displeasure, but you gotta make sure you're not taking the artist for granted...
One suggestion: when I listen/download new songs, there's usually a bit of info from where it's coming from, if it's from an upcoming release, I'll just wait for the whole joint to come out, so every song is new to me. I even did this with singles sometimes.
But we can't all be Saint Jules. ;)
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Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
cosign.
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Okay.... Let's put this into perspective.
Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
There was no internet hookups like now back then, so when you heard Shake This, it was only on a music video that you would have seen like twice on MTV, and would be so happy that it's on this CD now.
I purposely didn't listen to Part of Me alot cuz I knew it would be on the album. And after listening, I think it is my favorite track off the whole CD, still liked it as much as I did when it first leaked.
Fans have the right to express displeasure, but you gotta make sure you're not taking the artist for granted...
One suggestion: when I listen/download new songs, there's usually a bit of info from where it's coming from, if it's from an upcoming release, I'll just wait for the whole joint to come out, so every song is new to me. I even did this with singles sometimes.
Yeah I do the same with albums. If I really like the artist, I try not to listen to alot of leaked tracks, and just cop the album when it drops. At times it just seems like artists cannot take criticism for their albums and it all gets lumped in as haters. But I honestly feel like if I paid my hard earned money on a cd, I have the right to say something.
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Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
cosign.
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Of course you have the right to state your opinion whether you bought the album or just stole it. It's just another case if the artist cares about your opinion. Why people paint or make music in general is for self amusement. Others are free to like it or dislike it. Joe Budden didn't make that album for you, he made it for himself.
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Of course you have the right to state your opinion whether you bought the album or just stole it. It's just another case if the artist cares about your opinion. Why people paint or make music in general is for self amusement. Others are free to like it or dislike it. Joe Budden didn't make that album for you, he made it for himself.
It wasn't Joe's album though. I was critiquing Royce's album. Lol. Not Joey's, but Joey's lack too especially on mixing.
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I do not listen to leaked songs when they come on the web, simple as that.
Now I have yet to listen to Royce's album, and I have not heard that Shake Off track or whatever, so it will be totally fresh for me.
It's your own fault for downloading!
Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
cosign.
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
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I ask you this, because times have changed drastically since the 1990's when fans didn't really have the chance to interact with artists. Labels have more control, and usually tend to make artists conform to the norms to move decent amounts of units which affects the artists as a whole. Sometimes, it's the artists picking out what they feel is best. Are we too critical of them or is it just as of the last few years the fans really have been able to voice their opinions openly - so it changes the game? Artists tend to get a bit displeased with us and so do labels.
One of the other reasons I ask you this is because I was a tad bit unhappy with Royce's Street Hop 2010. Royce hadn't released an album since 2005 when he did that independent record and six or seven tracks off that record I had heard months even years ago such as Shake That or Part Of Me. I was speaking in JoeBudden's BlogTV chatroom, and I said I just wish Shake That wouldn't have been on the album, because the track is two years old and Budden put me on blast saying "Fans are never happy, appreciate what you get, the album is great, blah blah blah." I thought Royce's album was very solid, but understand I don't want to hear the same tracks I heard years ago. I want new content, because it ain't a fucking mixtape - it's a damn album. I can give a few examples of people and companies who get pissed because of the fans voicing their opinions.
- WIDEawake
- Kurupt
- Daz Dillinger
- Joe Budden
- Warren G
So, should I be happy with my seven or so recycled tracks or should I have the right to voice my opinion and not get called out for something Mr. Budden clearly doesn't know about?
Personally, I was a bit displeased with Joey because I support Royce in all that he does, but I don't have my fucking right to an opinion? Come on Joey, lay off the medicine.
not sure, i'm basically a hater ;)
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i think if an artist wants to be in the public eye and get that kinda attention, then they gotta take the rough with the smooth. they must know that people are gonna find fault with some of the things they say/do. like they say you cant please everyone...
but does that make you a hater? not at all, like you said we essentially pay for the lifestyle they live...ultimately they should be grateful for the position WE put them in, and use any criticism as fuel to motivate them to advance or further themselves as artists...
just my take on it 8)
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I do not listen to leaked songs when they come on the web, simple as that.
Now I have yet to listen to Royce's album, and I have not heard that Shake Off track or whatever, so it will be totally fresh for me.
It's your own fault for downloading!
Good songs should be on an album, heard before or not. If it really is good, it will stand the test of time when you hear it again.
cosign.
No one knew the track was going to be on the album. It was a two year old track like Taxi Driver.
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Everyone is free to have an opinion but at the same time, the artist is free to voice his. It might be a little more costly for him to air out the people who buy his CD's though.
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the internet is so big that people forget that the world is so small. so all of the bitching tends to look repetitive and doesn't hold much merit. i mean how many times r the SAME people gonna say Snoop hasn't dropped anything worth listening to since then or the same people saying that anybody new coming in the game with a new style or following the trendy singles idea is wack without even giving them a fair and honest listen. i'm with the artist, there's too many people with too much time on their hands and no rhythm dictating what's hot and what's not. all i know is numbers don't lie and last time i checked rich white men weren't so quick to back up niggaz, especially niggaz from the street.
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Feel free to voice your opinion. Rappers are free to voice their opinion as well. If they take it as legit criticism then more power to them. If they choose to call you a hater and ignore you then so be it.
In the case of Budden, how the fuck did you expect him to respond? What would YOU do if someone started criticizing your homie? Of course he's gonna be promoting his groupmate's album.
By putting out music, rappers are putting their music out there for people to talk about. At the same time, you as a critic are also putting your opinion out there to be shitted on. While its great when rappers listen to fan criticism and try to improve their music, you also can't really blame them if they tell you to fuck off.
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I feel we should have the right to express opinions taken away completely. Just one less freedom to worry about.
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I say yes you have the right to voice your opinion. Especially if I am paying my hard earned money for a album.
co sign to the fullest
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criticize music is ok, but when your praying for an artists downfall and criticizing them just to cheer yourself up LOL thats when u take it to damn far your bitchassness takes ahold of your mind and u need to get your mind correct.
what i dont understand how fans can try to clown on somebody with way more money than you.. and think your winning.
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I say : it's ok to voices your opinions but some ppl take it too far and should put their mouth on hold!
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We have to right to criticize and they have the right to respond. Although, they should really do it through their music.
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what i dont understand how fans can try to clown on somebody with way more money than you.. and think your winning.
Whether someone is a joke or not has nothing to do with how much money they have. Some people have standards. I for one would rather be myself than Nick Cannon, no matter what kind of money he's making or who he's married to.