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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Elano on October 28, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
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Jay-Z is still fighting his noble (but way too late) battle against Auto-Tuning: in a recent interview, this is what he had to say:
“I really wanted to have the conversation, like ‘are we just going to sound like each other? Everyone’s going to sound the same? That’s what we’re gonna do? Don’t ya’ll know this is dangerous? And this is just how rock and roll got pushed from the forefront?’ We did this to rock and roll. Everyone was doing the hair-band thing on MTV with the tight pants. They all had the big hair, just different colored tights. It just became about more of a look and a sound than the emotion of the music. And that’s what hip-hop’s becoming. It’s losing the emotion — you can’t have emotion in the robotic voice. I can’t feel anything!"
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Jay-Z is still fighting his noble (but way too late) battle against Auto-Tuning: in a recent interview, this is what he had to say:
“I really wanted to have the conversation, like ‘are we just going to sound like each other? Everyone’s going to sound the same? That’s what we’re gonna do? Don’t ya’ll know this is dangerous? And this is just how rock and roll got pushed from the forefront?’ We did this to rock and roll. Everyone was doing the hair-band thing on MTV with the tight pants. They all had the big hair, just different colored tights. It just became about more of a look and a sound than the emotion of the music. And that’s what hip-hop’s becoming. It’s losing the emotion — you can’t have emotion in the robotic voice. I can’t feel anything!"
Props. Thanks for the article.
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He also said that Fergie's big girls dont cry was a great song and that he wasnt afraid to sing along to it at the gym. His new album is also devoid of any mood or emotion except for empire state. He can kiss ass. Plus hair metal is awesome.
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rock n roll was never pushed from forefront, damn this dude is ignorant, hes an insult to all camels ;D
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real talk
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Didn't Jay record a lot of the album in autotune then switch it? Dude's starting to sound like a real bitch, I agree with what he's saying but don't act all high and mighty when you were about to do the same thing.
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I can't believe T-Pain let Jay basically ether his career buy him "laying to rest" autotune.
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He makes a great point. Except for the fact that he was originally using auto tune on his album then decided against it - basically just to go against the grain with D.O.A.
Oh and trust me, there is NO WAY T-Pain is going to stop using autotune. Nor would I advise him to. T-Pain is dope as fuck with autotune, it didn't become a problem to Lil Wayne fell in love with it and inspired everybody else in the industry to hop on the band wagon.
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This guy really needs to pick his battles. Comparing auto-tune to glam-metal is silly. There was plenty of rock and roll to go around in the 80s. There was just as much new wave and synth stuff as hair metal. Then there was that whole heartland rock stuff. By the late 80s U2 and REM were getting big. Then the Seattle scene came along and the whole scene changed. Plus, all of that stuff was way bigger than auto-tune in hip hop. He makes it seem like every rapper raps most of his verses using it. And if it were like glam then the end result would be a good thing; an alternative sub culture of hip hop would emerge from it and huge albums would start coming out. But no way would that be started by an old fogey like Jay Z. It'd have been like Jimmy Page or Paul McCartney coming out in 1987 and saying this needs to stop, we need to create a a better artform. It'll take new young guys like Michael Stipe, Cobain, or Vedder to put an end to auto-tune, not Jay Z.
Of course before those guys very made it big there was guys like Black Francis, Paul Westerberg, and Thurston Moore laying down the ground work and getting zero credit or attention. I'm not so keen on the new hip hop scene, so if anyone can show me who the current Thurston Moore's or Paul Westerberg's are then we can see what the next rap Cobain is going to sound like.
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damn
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anybody hatin' on Jay for this or has something to say against Jay or what he was saying is a bitch. I feel both sides of the isle but I gotta side with Jay on this more. Have you heard "GoAtIt" by Bishop Lamont & Black Milk? That shit is sick and original (the original sickness). We need more Hip Hop like that. But I can't hate on some1 tryna make a club record and using AutoTune just to get some more sales. Hip Hop is everything, why take it out of the clubs, that's so important to our culture and I ain't just talkin' about Rap or the US, I'm talking about society. Besides only a few people really use this shit anyways, you either only hear that song from them or they drop 1 mixtape and u never hear from them again, it ain't like they don't have the ability to do tha shit again, well most anyways... Ron Browz, Jamie Foxx, T Pain, etc. Keep the music growing. You got "underground", "commercial", "rnb", "dance", "techno", and more versions of Hip Hop music. I say stop talking about the music and just keep it upfront, infront of Country and Rock bcuz it's bigger and it's gonna keep it bigger and more diverse. As long as u have 16 bars for a verse, a drum pattern with a sound and bass/sub, and 8 bars for a hook it's Hip Hop no matter what you're talking about. It can't die, it's infinite in everything bcuz it's everything.
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Lame
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T-Pain and Akon knows how to use this shit,
rest of the dumb fucks, no!!
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anybody hatin' on Jay for this or has something to say against Jay or what he was saying is a bitch. I feel both sides of the isle but I gotta side with Jay on this more. Have you heard "GoAtIt" by Bishop Lamont & Black Milk? That shit is sick and original (the original sickness). We need more Hip Hop like that. But I can't hate on some1 tryna make a club record and using AutoTune just to get some more sales. Hip Hop is everything, why take it out of the clubs, that's so important to our culture and I ain't just talkin' about Rap or the US, I'm talking about society. Besides only a few people really use this shit anyways, you either only hear that song from them or they drop 1 mixtape and u never hear from them again, it ain't like they don't have the ability to do tha shit again, well most anyways... Ron Browz, Jamie Foxx, T Pain, etc. Keep the music growing. You got "underground", "commercial", "rnb", "dance", "techno", and more versions of Hip Hop music. I say stop talking about the music and just keep it upfront, infront of Country and Rock bcuz it's bigger and it's gonna keep it bigger and more diverse. As long as u have 16 bars for a verse, a drum pattern with a sound and bass/sub, and 8 bars for a hook it's Hip Hop no matter what you're talking about. It can't die, it's infinite in everything bcuz it's everything.
What exactly makes it bigger and more diverse than rock and country?
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Jay-Z is such a hypocrite. He starts a battle against autotune, while that infamous Kanye album he makes money from is still selling units.
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This guy really needs to pick his battles. Comparing auto-tune to glam-metal is silly. There was plenty of rock and roll to go around in the 80s. There was just as much new wave and synth stuff as hair metal. Then there was that whole heartland rock stuff. By the late 80s U2 and REM were getting big. Then the Seattle scene came along and the whole scene changed. Plus, all of that stuff was way bigger than auto-tune in hip hop. He makes it seem like every rapper raps most of his verses using it. And if it were like glam then the end result would be a good thing; an alternative sub culture of hip hop would emerge from it and huge albums would start coming out. But no way would that be started by an old fogey like Jay Z. It'd have been like Jimmy Page or Paul McCartney coming out in 1987 and saying this needs to stop, we need to create a a better artform. It'll take new young guys like Michael Stipe, Cobain, or Vedder to put an end to auto-tune, not Jay Z.
Of course before those guys very made it big there was guys like Black Francis, Paul Westerberg, and Thurston Moore laying down the ground work and getting zero credit or attention. I'm not so keen on the new hip hop scene, so if anyone can show me who the current Thurston Moore's or Paul Westerberg's are then we can see what the next rap Cobain is going to sound like.
i loooove pixies and replacements, but i cant get into sonic youth, any recommendations on songs or albums, its weird, i feel like i should like them but it just doesnt happen
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He also said that Fergie's big girls dont cry was a great song and that he wasnt afraid to sing along to it at the gym. His new album is also devoid of any mood or emotion except for empire state. He can kiss ass. .
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This guy really needs to pick his battles. Comparing auto-tune to glam-metal is silly. There was plenty of rock and roll to go around in the 80s. There was just as much new wave and synth stuff as hair metal. Then there was that whole heartland rock stuff. By the late 80s U2 and REM were getting big. Then the Seattle scene came along and the whole scene changed. Plus, all of that stuff was way bigger than auto-tune in hip hop. He makes it seem like every rapper raps most of his verses using it. And if it were like glam then the end result would be a good thing; an alternative sub culture of hip hop would emerge from it and huge albums would start coming out. But no way would that be started by an old fogey like Jay Z. It'd have been like Jimmy Page or Paul McCartney coming out in 1987 and saying this needs to stop, we need to create a a better artform. It'll take new young guys like Michael Stipe, Cobain, or Vedder to put an end to auto-tune, not Jay Z.
Of course before those guys very made it big there was guys like Black Francis, Paul Westerberg, and Thurston Moore laying down the ground work and getting zero credit or attention. I'm not so keen on the new hip hop scene, so if anyone can show me who the current Thurston Moore's or Paul Westerberg's are then we can see what the next rap Cobain is going to sound like.
i loooove pixies and replacements, but i cant get into sonic youth, any recommendations on songs or albums, its weird, i feel like i should like them but it just doesnt happen
Nope. We're in the same boat. I recognize what they've done and acknowledge that those that love them have to be on to something, but there isn't much of their work that I've really gotten into. I do like "Teen Age Riot" off of Daydream Nation a lot. To be honest there's a lot of their catalogue I've yet to go through.
Now that I think about it I don't really listen all that much Pixie stuff outside of the Doolittle album. And I prefer the very early Replacements stuff, the punk stiff, over the alt rock stuff. I mean I like Let It Be and Tim, but nothing on there gets me going like Kids Don't Follow.
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This guy really needs to pick his battles. Comparing auto-tune to glam-metal is silly. There was plenty of rock and roll to go around in the 80s. There was just as much new wave and synth stuff as hair metal. Then there was that whole heartland rock stuff. By the late 80s U2 and REM were getting big. Then the Seattle scene came along and the whole scene changed. Plus, all of that stuff was way bigger than auto-tune in hip hop. He makes it seem like every rapper raps most of his verses using it. And if it were like glam then the end result would be a good thing; an alternative sub culture of hip hop would emerge from it and huge albums would start coming out. But no way would that be started by an old fogey like Jay Z. It'd have been like Jimmy Page or Paul McCartney coming out in 1987 and saying this needs to stop, we need to create a a better artform. It'll take new young guys like Michael Stipe, Cobain, or Vedder to put an end to auto-tune, not Jay Z.
Of course before those guys very made it big there was guys like Black Francis, Paul Westerberg, and Thurston Moore laying down the ground work and getting zero credit or attention. I'm not so keen on the new hip hop scene, so if anyone can show me who the current Thurston Moore's or Paul Westerberg's are then we can see what the next rap Cobain is going to sound like.
i loooove pixies and replacements, but i cant get into sonic youth, any recommendations on songs or albums, its weird, i feel like i should like them but it just doesnt happen
Nope. We're in the same boat. I recognize what they've done and acknowledge that those that love them have to be on to something, but there isn't much of their work that I've really gotten into. I do like "Teen Age Riot" off of Daydream Nation a lot. To be honest there's a lot of their catalogue I've yet to go through.
Now that I think about it I don't really listen all that much Pixie stuff outside of the Doolittle album. And I prefer the very early Replacements stuff, the punk stiff, over the alt rock stuff. I mean I like Let It Be and Tim, but nothing on there gets me going like Kids Don't Follow.
alright makes me feel a lot better, im actually a weirdo cause i love surfer rosa and come on pilgrim more than doo little, which i like a lot also, and the replacements those are the only two albums i got
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This guy really needs to pick his battles. Comparing auto-tune to glam-metal is silly. There was plenty of rock and roll to go around in the 80s. There was just as much new wave and synth stuff as hair metal. Then there was that whole heartland rock stuff. By the late 80s U2 and REM were getting big. Then the Seattle scene came along and the whole scene changed. Plus, all of that stuff was way bigger than auto-tune in hip hop. He makes it seem like every rapper raps most of his verses using it. And if it were like glam then the end result would be a good thing; an alternative sub culture of hip hop would emerge from it and huge albums would start coming out. But no way would that be started by an old fogey like Jay Z. It'd have been like Jimmy Page or Paul McCartney coming out in 1987 and saying this needs to stop, we need to create a a better artform. It'll take new young guys like Michael Stipe, Cobain, or Vedder to put an end to auto-tune, not Jay Z.
Of course before those guys very made it big there was guys like Black Francis, Paul Westerberg, and Thurston Moore laying down the ground work and getting zero credit or attention. I'm not so keen on the new hip hop scene, so if anyone can show me who the current Thurston Moore's or Paul Westerberg's are then we can see what the next rap Cobain is going to sound like.
i loooove pixies and replacements, but i cant get into sonic youth, any recommendations on songs or albums, its weird, i feel like i should like them but it just doesnt happen
Nope. We're in the same boat. I recognize what they've done and acknowledge that those that love them have to be on to something, but there isn't much of their work that I've really gotten into. I do like "Teen Age Riot" off of Daydream Nation a lot. To be honest there's a lot of their catalogue I've yet to go through.
Now that I think about it I don't really listen all that much Pixie stuff outside of the Doolittle album. And I prefer the very early Replacements stuff, the punk stiff, over the alt rock stuff. I mean I like Let It Be and Tim, but nothing on there gets me going like Kids Don't Follow.
alright makes me feel a lot better, im actually a weirdo cause i love surfer rosa and come on pilgrim more than doo little, which i like a lot also, and the replacements those are the only two albums i got
I think most people like Rosa the best. I just listen to Doolittle the most.
Kids Don't Follow is a single off the Stink EP, and the first album is called Sorry Ma Forgot to Take Out the Trash. They're a lot more punk sounding than Satisfied or Bastards of Young.
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then why does he still associate with Kanye West?
this guy is a clown
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Jay-Z is still fighting his noble (but way too late) battle against Auto-Tuning: in a recent interview, this is what he had to say:
“I really wanted to have the conversation, like ‘are we just going to sound like each other? Everyone’s going to sound the same? That’s what we’re gonna do? Don’t ya’ll know this is dangerous? And this is just how rock and roll got pushed from the forefront?’ We did this to rock and roll. Everyone was doing the hair-band thing on MTV with the tight pants. They all had the big hair, just different colored tights. It just became about more of a look and a sound than the emotion of the music. And that’s what hip-hop’s becoming. It’s losing the emotion — you can’t have emotion in the robotic voice. I can’t feel anything!"
and he is wright.point blank..........by the way,where is my nigga (POINT BLANK).