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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on November 12, 2009, 07:02:22 PM
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First off, Crooked sends an aggressive warning to Wideawake/Death Row on the “Homage to Dr. Dre” track that was recently released to the internet saying “whoever bought the catalog, get at me dog, don’t try to drop my old shit unless I said so.” This is the same guy who gave Suge all kinds of mad props for years and talked about how he built up the West Coast and built up Death Row (he even did a song called “Suge’s West Coast”). Now, he is doing a complete 180 on what he previously said and now saying Death Row is “the company Dre built” and giving all the props to Dr. Dre and Snoop and acting like Suge didn’t do anything. How can we believe anything this guy says when he switches up like a hoe in a six four? Is Crooked I being a hypocrite in this circumstance? Be honest.
Knowing that Wideawake owns the catalog, they don’t have to get at him, they own it. On one hand, is Crooked scared that some tracks might surface that have nasty lyrics directed towards these cats that he has repaired his professional relationship with? The track “Middle Finger Musik” is a huge Snoop Dogg diss track that Crook recorded for Suge and maybe he is scared that the disses are so hardcore that it would hurt his newly repaired relationship with Snoop? He also has disses directed towards Daz and others he recorded during that period. And is Wideawake going to stick to their word and release the material as it is, or are they going to play politics and buckle and not release the diss tracks because they don’t want to make the artist mad? I don’t trust what Wideawake says considering they said their albums were all going to be released in the highest modern high-end sound quality (i.e. see “The Lost Sessions Vol 1”).
My personal opinion is that the artists aren’t doing shit to help Wideawake and work with them, and they are asking for large unreasonable amounts of money to promote releases which Wideawake could never afford to pay them and make a profit. I think Wideawake should play the card back on the artists and say “if you don’t promote a release for me, I’m going to release your diss tracks.” That would be smarter business. Do you all think Wideawake will release the OG diss tracks for the fans or are they going to pull another “The Lost Sessions” and give us some garbage excuse that they don’t want to make people mad?
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no and you're entirely too devoted
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Middle finger music isnt a diss track towards snoop what the fuck are you talking about
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For the record, Crooked I owns his publishing - so doesn't he kind of have control of what comes out? Also, he's talking about WIDEawake hiring people who leaked his material. The artists aren't asking for unreasonable prices, it's WIDEawake. Say if you were getting 150 K a year at the old Death Row, and some person wants you to sign a contract for 15 K to re-produce, finish vocals, and tour - would you honestly do that when you make 50 K now a days off one track alone just for production? I think not.
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You are digging way too deep into this... How did Crooked I pull a 180? He was giving props to Suge because he owned the label at that time. If you think that Dre had nothing to do with Death Row's success you are fooling yourself.
“if you don’t promote a release for me, I’m going to release your diss tracks.”
Yeah... That's really going to make people take Wide Awake serious. What a joke.
BTW: It's the same thing I've been saying all along, if they release a Crooked I project over there, you can be pretty sure that we are getting something watered down. I don't think they are going to be releasing the Snoop disses. We'll see, but I doubt it.
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if anybody thinks the snoop disses are commin out R really foolin demselves
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Slap back is the diss... idoit.
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You sound real ignant my dude. One, Crooked I's beef was Dre was ages ago. They've squashed that shit already and Crooked grew the fuck up. He was only beefing with Dre because of Suge. Now he is no longer associated with Suge. And Dre did help build the Row, him and Suge were partners. So Dre deserves his credit and this is a Dre homage track and not a Suge Knight one, so why should Crooked I even bother mentioning Suge's name on it.
2ndly, Crooked I ain't worried about old ass diss songs coming out. You're assuming that Snoop and Dre and everyone in their camps must be a bunch of idiots. If someone releases old Crooked I tracks that are diss records I think they'll be able to tell and won't get their panties in a bunch. And an artist has a right to say what happens with his or her music, whether it's old or new. And this is a business, you must remember that so the money has to always be correct. If wideawake doesn't have the funds to properly pay the artist for their time, then they need to focus on creating new artist and building up their name and pocket books. If the asking prices isn't something crazy then someone like Crooked I shouldn't have to take a huge pay cut to simply help out some stranger trying to make a buck off his name
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You are digging way too deep into this... How did Crooked I pull a 180? He was giving props to Suge because he owned the label at that time. If you think that Dre had nothing to do with Death Row's success you are fooling yourself.
“if you don’t promote a release for me, I’m going to release your diss tracks.”
Yeah... That's really going to make people take Wide Awake serious. What a joke.
BTW: It's the same thing I've been saying all along, if they release a Crooked I project over there, you can be pretty sure that we are getting something watered down. I don't think they are going to be releasing the Snoop disses. We'll see, but I doubt it.
I think Crook pulled a 180 because he went from giving all the Death Row success from Suge to Dre. I'm neutral in regard to Crooked and Death Row/Wideawake, but Wideawake holds the trump card if they own the publishing. Nobody will argue on this forum that his top work in his career was his Death Row 2000-2002 material. Wideawake says they own all the publishing and he's calling them out on that Dre homage track, Daz is calling them out in interviews saying pay me but they ain't moving no units to pay anybody. If he released the diss tracks towards Snoop from Crook (we know Snoop's ego is huge) on "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" Snoop might be offended from what Crook says lyrically especially if that pushes 40k in sales. I think Crook's ultimate goal with all these homage tracks is to get on Detox and I want to see the dude shine. However, I think it is hypocriticial to do all these pro-Suge tracks and now that he is off the label he is now saying Dre made Death Row. I know he's moving for money, but is he trying to get on Detox with that move or is he really just mad at Suge? Widewake supposeably bought the publishing so they hold the trump card, right? Look at some of those tracks like "Raw Dawgs" and "Crook Show." So are we going to see diss tracks like Wideawake said they want to release everything in its virgin form or is this going to be another compliation album of throw around tracks and outtakes? If you were happy about an album coming out, you wouldn't be delivering requests on tracks, that's stuff that's handled behind the curtain. Most cats promote their albums when they are coming out.
For the record, Crooked I owns his publishing - so doesn't he kind of have control of what comes out?
On "Still Tha Row" he says he owns the publishing but it sounds like he's telling Widewake not to release his music on the "Dre Homage" cut without going through him ($$$). Wideawake bought the whole unreleased catalog and this would include the Crook tracks (his tracks were Suge Publishing and that went to Wideawake). I think there's tracks in that catalog he doesn't want to see released similar to a few of the tracks we saw on that "against the grain" death row release with all those disses.
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1st of all crooked didn´t turn down to 180° because this dude is neutral and very clam down person, remember suge Vs. Dpg (Snopp,daz,etc.) Crooked didn´t say shit until they dissed acouple times...then you had game vs. bigfase100 crooked shout out both of them in past interviews, or 50 vs. game crooked like them both, so how can you say something like that? it´s normal imagine that´s your old recorded music and someone wants to release it because they want to get the donuts...what are you doin?
and if they diss tracks then this is normal, remember Kurupts FTP Against the grain ep??? after that was released as a bootleg, do you guys remember Kurupt´s interview at dubcnn??? yessss so stfup please, thanks ;D.
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
& Snoop's Lost Sessions was on around 13,000-15,000 last I heard - surprisingly at that. Although they don't need to get approval from artists, WIDEawake are trying to establish a working relationship with them, probably because they're old school and are firm believers in respect over business ethics, and that it will eventually create a solid working relationship, because remember - WIDEawake are the first to take that step in doing something they don't necessarily need to do (getting artist approval first) which should create some appreciation towards them, and appreciation usually opens the rationalization for them to do stuff for WIDEawake (info, promo, doors and contacts) which is when we'll see WIDEawake really take off IMO if it plans out how it's meant to
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First off, Crooked sends an aggressive warning to Wideawake/Death Row on the “Homage to Dr. Dre” track that was recently released to the internet saying “whoever bought the catalog, get at me dog, don’t try to drop my old shit unless I said so.” This is the same guy who gave Suge all kinds of mad props for years and talked about how he built up the West Coast and built up Death Row (he even did a song called “Suge’s West Coast”). Now, he is doing a complete 180 on what he previously said and now saying Death Row is “the company Dre built” and giving all the props to Dr. Dre and Snoop and acting like Suge didn’t do anything. How can we believe anything this guy says when he switches up like a hoe in a six four? Is Crooked I being a hypocrite in this circumstance? Be honest.
Knowing that Wideawake owns the catalog, they don’t have to get at him, they own it. On one hand, is Crooked scared that some tracks might surface that have nasty lyrics directed towards these cats that he has repaired his professional relationship with? The track “Middle Finger Musik” is a huge Snoop Dogg diss track that Crook recorded for Suge and maybe he is scared that the disses are so hardcore that it would hurt his newly repaired relationship with Snoop? He also has disses directed towards Daz and others he recorded during that period. And is Wideawake going to stick to their word and release the material as it is, or are they going to play politics and buckle and not release the diss tracks because they don’t want to make the artist mad? I don’t trust what Wideawake says considering they said their albums were all going to be released in the highest modern high-end sound quality (i.e. see “The Lost Sessions Vol 1”).
My personal opinion is that the artists aren’t doing shit to help Wideawake and work with them, and they are asking for large unreasonable amounts of money to promote releases which Wideawake could never afford to pay them and make a profit. I think Wideawake should play the card back on the artists and say “if you don’t promote a release for me, I’m going to release your diss tracks.” That would be smarter business. Do you all think Wideawake will release the OG diss tracks for the fans or are they going to pull another “The Lost Sessions” and give us some garbage excuse that they don’t want to make people mad?
I noticed the verse, but I think maybe too much is being made of it. I think overall Crooked's relationship with Wideawake is pretty good. I know he's taken a few meetings with Lara Lavi, and from the way they've both talked, those meetings seemed to go well. While of course I can't speak for Crooked, my guess is that he just wants to avoid getting bootlegged again. My guess is that he would be okay with Wideawake selling his music, as long as he's paid. And it sounds to me as though Wideawake has every intention of paying all the artists whose music they use.
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Yeah he already talked with Lara Levi so its a moot point, he has 2 songs dropping on that boxset inclduing a song produced by Dr.Dre. Crooked also never dissed Dre that I can remember so he isnt a hypocrite.
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
That’s the feeling I got too. I agree with you 100. Crook is trying to kiss the right person to get on Detox right now because he knows what a HUGE boost that would be for his image and his career. And if that means kissing up to Dre and Snoop, he knows the payout from being on there and possibly getting some Dre produced cuts for himself in the future.
Imagine if there were 10 or 15 tracks sitting around with disses that Wideawake released. If you were Snoop Dogg, would you be very happy if someone had that much material out hating on you even if it was 7 years ago? This could ruin his chances with getting on Detox. That’s the only reason why he would send verbal warnings on a track towards Wideawake instead of calling them up and handling that business behind closed doors professionally.
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http://twitter.com/TheRealCrookedI/status/5695459261
To whom it may concern.. I dropped that Dre homage verse long before I met anyone from Wideawake #okbye
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
That’s the feeling I got too. I agree with you 100. Crook is trying to kiss the right person to get on Detox right now because he knows what a HUGE boost that would be for his image and his career. And if that means kissing up to Dre and Snoop, he knows the payout from being on there and possibly getting some Dre produced cuts for himself in the future.
Imagine if there were 10 or 15 tracks sitting around with disses that Wideawake released. If you were Snoop Dogg, would you be very happy if someone had that much material out hating on you even if it was 7 years ago? This could ruin his chances with getting on Detox. That’s the only reason why he would send verbal warnings on a track towards Wideawake instead of calling them up and handling that business behind closed doors professionally.
Snoop has actually heard the mixtape disses, and other retail ones including (for some bizarre reasons) a couple of unreleased disses, which makes me wonder how he would have been able to hear those
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
That’s the feeling I got too. I agree with you 100. Crook is trying to kiss the right person to get on Detox right now because he knows what a HUGE boost that would be for his image and his career. And if that means kissing up to Dre and Snoop, he knows the payout from being on there and possibly getting some Dre produced cuts for himself in the future.
Imagine if there were 10 or 15 tracks sitting around with disses that Wideawake released. If you were Snoop Dogg, would you be very happy if someone had that much material out hating on you even if it was 7 years ago? This could ruin his chances with getting on Detox. That’s the only reason why he would send verbal warnings on a track towards Wideawake instead of calling them up and handling that business behind closed doors professionally.
Snoop has actually heard the mixtape disses, and other retail ones including (for some bizarre reasons) a couple of unreleased disses, which makes me wonder how he would have been able to hear those
It's not surprising considering a few people have them.
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One, Crooked I's beef was Dre was ages ago. They've squashed that shit already and Crooked grew the fuck up. He was only beefing with Dre because of Suge. Now he is no longer associated with Suge. And Dre did help build the Row, him and Suge were partners. So Dre deserves his credit and this is a Dre homage track and not a Suge Knight one, so why should Crooked I even bother mentioning Suge's name on it.
Crooked never had beef with Dre. They were always good.
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One, Crooked I's beef was Dre was ages ago. They've squashed that shit already and Crooked grew the fuck up. He was only beefing with Dre because of Suge. Now he is no longer associated with Suge. And Dre did help build the Row, him and Suge were partners. So Dre deserves his credit and this is a Dre homage track and not a Suge Knight one, so why should Crooked I even bother mentioning Suge's name on it.
Crooked never had beef with Dre. They were always good.
Correct.
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
That’s the feeling I got too. I agree with you 100. Crook is trying to kiss the right person to get on Detox right now because he knows what a HUGE boost that would be for his image and his career. And if that means kissing up to Dre and Snoop, he knows the payout from being on there and possibly getting some Dre produced cuts for himself in the future.
Imagine if there were 10 or 15 tracks sitting around with disses that Wideawake released. If you were Snoop Dogg, would you be very happy if someone had that much material out hating on you even if it was 7 years ago? This could ruin his chances with getting on Detox. That’s the only reason why he would send verbal warnings on a track towards Wideawake instead of calling them up and handling that business behind closed doors professionally.
Snoop has actually heard the mixtape disses, and other retail ones including (for some bizarre reasons) a couple of unreleased disses, which makes me wonder how he would have been able to hear those
It's not surprising considering a few people have them.
anyone with a brain should know that this the reason why slap bacc can never come out publicly, it would ruin crooked i's career completely
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Crooked I is trying to get on Detox, by shout outs, submissions of ghost writing, props and so on, which is why he's showing his respect to Dr Dre rather than Suge. Had Suge still owned a powerhouse label, and on top, it'd be the opposite. It's just business, but with the music business and anyone aspiring to make money, there's a fine line between business and being a hypocrite. He probably sold his publishing rights back to Suge to get out of his deal at Death Row those years back, because WIDEawake now own the rights
There is more than just Slap Back that disses Snoop hard in the unreleased catalouge
That’s the feeling I got too. I agree with you 100. Crook is trying to kiss the right person to get on Detox right now because he knows what a HUGE boost that would be for his image and his career. And if that means kissing up to Dre and Snoop, he knows the payout from being on there and possibly getting some Dre produced cuts for himself in the future.
Imagine if there were 10 or 15 tracks sitting around with disses that Wideawake released. If you were Snoop Dogg, would you be very happy if someone had that much material out hating on you even if it was 7 years ago? This could ruin his chances with getting on Detox. That’s the only reason why he would send verbal warnings on a track towards Wideawake instead of calling them up and handling that business behind closed doors professionally.
Snoop has actually heard the mixtape disses, and other retail ones including (for some bizarre reasons) a couple of unreleased disses, which makes me wonder how he would have been able to hear those
It's not surprising considering a few people have them.
anyone with a brain should know that this the reason why slap bacc can never come out publicly, it would ruin crooked i's career completely
ys that?
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LMAO @ a diss song ruining crooked's career
a lack of an LP in stores is ruining my man's career lol
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http://twitter.com/TheRealCrookedI/status/5695459261
To whom it may concern.. I dropped that Dre homage verse long before I met anyone from Wideawake #okbye
That makes more sense. Props for him clarifying the issue and not keeping his fans guessing why he said it. Still wonder if Wideawake will drop the disses in it's OG form, or are they going to make "Say Hi To tha Bad Guy" minus the disses and turn it into a compilation of leftover tracks. I don't think Wideawake will keep their word and release everything "in its original form for the fans."
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If he don't own the music he should shut his mouth. If he owns the music he should still shut his mouth and sue their ass of when they release it...
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Releasing (superior "music") material from an era - the Death Row era, which formed a large bulk of his present fan base who currently support him should dictate as to whether or not it gets released, and Crooked I shouldn't be so ignorant of that fact.
Many have stood by him this long, and bought the slaughterhouse album, the mixtapes, and maintained interest, and he's wanting to deprive them of material they've been longing to hear for years?
I can understand to a degree him not wanting material released with harsh lyrics when building relationships with other artists he'll be attacking, but I mean come on, Snoop released Pimp Slap, and other disses on retail albums heard by a larger audience than what the Crooked I albums will ever be heard by, and Crooked I has let bygones be bygones, and I believe Snoop would as well
One thing to consider for Crooked I is, that if the Death Row material created a large amount of his current fan base who still support him, then releasing more material from that era can only be a good thing in growing that fan base
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Releasing (superior "music") material from an era - the Death Row era, which formed a large bulk of his present fan base who currently support him should dictate as to whether or not it gets released, and Crooked I shouldn't be so ignorant of that fact.
Many have stood by him this long, and bought the slaughterhouse album, the mixtapes, and maintained interest, and he's wanting to deprive them of material they've been longing to hear for years?
I can understand to a degree him not wanting material released with harsh lyrics when building relationships with other artists he'll be attacking, but I mean come on, Snoop released Pimp Slap, and other disses on retail albums heard by a larger audience than what the Crooked I albums will ever be heard by, and Crooked I has let bygones be bygones, and I believe Snoop would as well
One thing to consider for Crooked I is, that if the Death Row material created a large amount of his current fan base who still support him, then releasing more material from that era can only be a good thing in growing that fan base
let's just say that slap bacc is not your average diss, snoop & crooked relationship has taken many years to build for watever reasons, it's still a very fragile relationship at that and it def wouldn't help the cause if certain material came out. yes pimp slap did come out and all but it didnt mention any names nor the lyrics are nowhere near as harsh.
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Snoop will know by Crooked I's lyrical talent, that the disses will be harsh and hard hitting, and perhaps Crooked I is just saying it unsolicited, so that it appears Crooked I has - on record - attempted to persuade WIDEawake not to release the material fine well knowing that they will anyway. Crooked I is (besides NINA) the top artist they intent to make a return investment on on top of the original roster. They've constantly named him when talking about which material they are in possession of, and know that his project(s) was the most anticipated post-2000, and a thing to remember Crooked I never actually said he didn't want the material not to be released, just to get at him before doing so