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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on December 03, 2002, 05:55:03 PM
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i think its been a while where we had a proper discussion
i was thinkin today...seeing as that snoops 1st week numbers for Paid the Cost is his 2nd worse, i was thinkin now whats up wit snoop?
peep
when i first heard the new snoop i was disappointed cuz it was too much f a mainsstream/east coast influence on it
its grown on me now, but i at the time was very upset however i realized one thing
since his debut snoop has made some amazing music that me, as a loyal fan, has experienced. if snoop feels at this point and time that he wants to cement his legacy and appeal to more than his regular fan base, i figured aint nuthin wrong wit it . let others experience the joy of snoops music.
but now that snoops numbers are one of his worst, has snoops plan backfired? will he realize that unlike his peers Pac, Em, Jay z, Biggie etc he isnt as mega popular and appealing , and that he only has his loyal fan base?
whats the future?
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He just needs to get over his pride and realize that until he hooks back up with dre almost exclusivly, he'll never sell like he did back in the early 90s.
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his choice of producers and choice of guests(over use of kokane, all the east coast big names) are what ruin his last two solos...he needs to work with producers like dre, quik and even daz would be better than the neptunes, hi tek and whoever else did the garbage on paid the coast...he needs to keep himself what he is...keep the west coast sound..thats what made him
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I think what it is is this... Snoop's just havin'a good time. When he did Doggystyle, he HAD to do Doggystyle. It had to be dope, he was young, he was new, he let the DOC and RBX and Dre tell him what to do, and they molded the metal into the greatest rap album of all time. Snoop has god given talent, for real. Most of it is Charisma, and you can't buy that... when you take that, his great voice, his decent lyrical ability, and add in the greatest hiphop producer of all time, RBX who is just amazing with Flow, and the DOC who is just amazing with Lyrics, you come up with an amazing album.
Since then, it ain't been nothing like that. Dre don't need to bust his ass to do a dope album for Snoop. Snoop don't need to bust his ass to do a dope album, either, he's got his.
Snoop's ACTUALLY gotten BETTER since doggystyle. He is much, much better today in pretty much every aspect, but now a days, he don't care about making classics and stuff, he's just tryna have fun. He ain't gonna sit down and analyze his lyrics to make sure they're perfect, he ain't gonna record lead vocals 40 times to get the flow just perfect. He doesn't have a producer that's gonna sit down and work on each track measure by measure for weeks to get it exactly perfect.
Snoop's got to the point where he can just walk in and freestyle stuff. I'm not gonna say that's why his songs suck, but I'm pretty convinced that some of his stuff was written in just a few minutes right before he recorded it, just off the top of his dome. He can make a decent song that way, but he ain't never gonna have another "Doggystyle" doin that.
Look at "The One And Only" , "Batman", and "Pimp'd Slapped" on his new album. Look at the care they put into those songs, and it shows... The one and Only, the lyrics are just on point. His voice is perfect, he probably did that take 30 times to get it perfect. The beat is great, he got one of the greatest to come in and structure that crap around his voice. They put time in it, and it's great. Doggystyle, the whole album was like that, they put time in every track. Whether yall wanna admit it or not, "The One and Only" is as good as the stuff on Doggystyle.
Look at "Batman and Robin". It's just a throw away concept song, but since he got a good producer, and a SUPREME lyricist and Emcee, Rage, on the track, it's near classic, and very original. His lyrics are dope as hell, he's got that great drawl in his voice, just a dope song.
Look at "Pimp'd Slapped". He knew he had to make his diss song dope, so the lyrics are great, for snoop. That's some of his best lyrics in years, and his voice is perfect again, it sounds just like his flow on "Gin and Juice", I think. He brought back the "WBallz" DJ EZ Dick, spent plenty of time on it, and got a decent beat, it sounds great. Look how he flows when he's rhyming all those Bloods he knows, that's some tight stuff like ONLY snoop can do, "A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness" Come on yall. That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.
It's all about Snoop WANTING to make good stuff. He dont' want to make an album like Doggystyle that's just perfect anymore, he'd rather make a diverse album with cuts not everybody is gonna like.
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"A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness" Come on yall. That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.
Yeah, Quik came tight on that one ;)
Does anybody know how much last meal did in it's first week? I thought it was around this nubmer but I'm probably wrong...
I did some searching on http://www.riaa.com and found out that every snoop dogg album has gone platinum or platinum plus. I'm sure that this album will be no exception. I'm really suprised that "From the church to the palace" hasn't gotten more radio play. It's produced by the neptunes and IMHO, is one of the better songs out there right now. It's not even on the hot97 playlist, but you know how they are :-\
I hope that once more people hear that track, they go out and pick up his album... Perhpas this one is gonna be a slow starter, and pick up steam later on?
I bought it and Im happy with it, that's all I know
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Jigga really is kind of a phenomenon the way he releases an album every year and goes gold the first week...Eminem is on another planet these days but lets see where he is in 2008...I guarantee he won't be selling a million right out of the gate...Snoop had a resurgance in popularity with his last album just a few years after everyone thought he was finished after releasing Da Game...I'm not ready to kill this album though yet, Damn it's been only a week, he still is going to sell 1-1.5 million...
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"A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness" Come on yall. That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.
Yeah, Quik came tight on that one ;)
HAHAHA, whoops. O.K., my entire argument is invalid now.
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It's still a good argument cause if you look at it from the gang perspective, It's just another way of paying respect to the bloods. Along with shouting out all the Blood's he's cool with, he used Quik's verse and showed more respect.
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Engel-Rock... to answer your question, Last Meal had sold 394,000 copies in the 1st week. I remember it very well.
Trauma... you make an excellent point that I failed to realize. Snoop's just havin' fun now cause he made it, and he just wants to diversify, and try new things out. But at the end, it's the sales that count, although I hate to say it. And with Snoop barely pusing 200K copies in the first week, he just can't afford to continue at this rate, and "experiment". I mean, let's face it, this diversification process started at "Da Game...", and since that album, sales for Snoop have declined (even though Snoop went back to his roots a bit with Top Dogg). I mean, it's good to see Snoop diversify and all, but don't make a WHOLE album of it. That's what guest appearances and soundtracks are for. HIS albums need to be trademark Snoop e.g. Top Dogg, Doggfather & of course, Doggystyle.
This being said, I totally agree with the statement done by HRH Prince Tech Quadafi... what IS the future? Will Snoop finally realize with these sales that he MIGHT NOT be as big as he thinks? That the only people buying his albums are his loyal fans?
I always use this argument of mine, which might not be totally accurate, but nonetheless... Snoop sold 6M copies with Doggystyle, and his last album, Last Meal (too early to use Paid Tha Cost as an example) sold 1.5M. Where did those 4.5M sales go? Ironic how Snoop is adopting new beats & styles to appeal to a larger fan base, yet sales are declining. I hope he eventually realizes that attracting new fans doesn't mean having to diversify. He could keep on releasing his trademark material, and with all his loyal fans going berserk over it, this will grab the attention of new fans. In other words, do not go after them, they will come to you. Or something along those lines. :)
Peace
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trauma i understand what u sayin
but see with all my friends and everyone i know...
they ALL love the old snoop shit...and dont mind the nw shit....
its like..everyone and their mama loves doggstyle, nowadays peeps know who snoop is and matter of fact people these days like snoop more as a person than his music..
basically, the reason why i respect Jay, Nas etc is cuz they
re determined to make classic albums....snoop needs to lock himself in a studio with daz, dre, fred, and doc...
str8 up
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The Doggystyle sales are an aberration, Snoop was the hottest name in rap back then, there was no one fucking with him...His debut was the highest selling debut album of all time 800,000 the first week...3 years later he sold under 500,000 of Doggfather first week and wound up selling 2 million...Since then his sales have been right there at 1.5 -2 million...I can't think of any other rapper whose been in the game 10 years who consistantly sells at 1.5-2 million each album...
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I would love to hear some more classic westcoast music... but lately, all I hear are the crickets laying between the concrete streets... all my friends love everything but rap... the only rap album they do have is Doggystyle... since then... nothing has interested people with Snoop...
-Big BpG
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all my friends love everything but rap... the only rap album they do have is Doggystyle... since then... nothing has interested people with Snoop...
see? that justifies my point.
"Do not go after them, they will come to you."
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He needs to make an album full of party anthems. look at doggystyle that album was nuttin but party songs that everyone could sing 2. Is there anyone that hasnt heard at least one doggystyle song at a party?
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trauma i understand what u sayin
but see with all my friends and everyone i know...
they ALL love the old snoop shit...and dont mind the nw shit....
its like..everyone and their mama loves doggstyle, nowadays peeps know who snoop is and matter of fact people these days like snoop more as a person than his music..
basically, the reason why i respect Jay, Nas etc is cuz they
re determined to make classic albums....snoop needs to lock himself in a studio with daz, dre, fred, and doc...
str8 up
Yeah, I totally agree with what you're sayin. I'm just sayin how I think Snoop's seein it... I don't think he's wanting the same things we're wanting out of an album. I love his doggystyle stuff, and like this new stuff too, just not as much. We'd all like to see him do that again, but it's a huge undertaking, and Dre's the biggest piece, Dre is NOT going to sit down and tell Snoop how to sing lines like he did on "Stranded on Death Row" anymore, it's never gonna be like that again with Dre puttin his all into Snoop's stuff he does. The best Snoop can expect out of Dre right now is a dope beat.
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"WE" dont wants another doggystyle,stop with this bullshit please!
TOP DOGG is not like doggystyle but is a fuckin tight album,i thought LAST MEAL was a very mediocre album but when i've listen several times to this new one,LAST MEAL is a 5 mics album compared with this album.
AGAIN,the best tracks of this album are from the first advance:
*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want
And honestly NOBACKTRACKIN (from the last meal prmo) is at least 10 TIMES BETTER than "the one and only".
-The meech wells beat is HUGE
-Snoop comes tighter
-George clinton on the hook is awesome
Is one of the best snoop's songs ever and guess what ? It still unreleased
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"if it aint broke dont try and fix it"
snoop is trying to fix somthing that is not broken.....in other words stick to what has been working and plain and simple.........
[size=36]get your ass back in the studio with Dr. Dre[/size]
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I really hope...before he retires from rap...he should make a doggystyle 2..or some shit...cuz if he continues to release some shit like paid tha cost to be the boss...people will stop buying his shit and lose intrest in him...damn why can't he just release a dope ass westcoast gangsta album..i just don't understand...people don't want to listen to shit like "From The Chuuuch To Da Palace".....
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this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.
you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops
ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin
snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.
dre is wayy tooo busy.
you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.
honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.
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having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.
they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.
snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.
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"WE" dont wants another doggystyle,stop with this bullshit please!
TOP DOGG is not like doggystyle but is a fuckin tight album,i thought LAST MEAL was a very mediocre album but when i've listen several times to this new one,LAST MEAL is a 5 mics album compared with this album.
AGAIN,the best tracks of this album are from the first advance:
*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want
And honestly NOBACKTRACKIN (from the last meal prmo) is at least 10 TIMES BETTER than "the one and only".
-The meech wells beat is HUGE
-Snoop comes tighter
-George clinton on the hook is awesome
Is one of the best snoop's songs ever and guess what ? It still unreleased
Slow your roll. It's an opinion. I got mine, you got yours, no need to get heated just because it's different, LOL. That'sRealLame.
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this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.
you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops
ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin
snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.
dre is wayy tooo busy.
you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.
honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.
- remember this -
having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.
they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.
snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.
Yup, I agree 100%. Dre just is not gonna work with Snoop like he used to.
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this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.
you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops
ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin
snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.
dre is wayy tooo busy.
you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.
honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.
- remember this -
having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.
they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.
snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.
Real talk homie.
Peace
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this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.
you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops
ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin
snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.
dre is wayy tooo busy.
you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.
honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.
- remember this -
having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.
they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.
snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.
you got some good points....i want to say this....i can care less if dre is rapping with snoop but dre producing for him and helping him with the vocal direction and so forth has proven to be effective and people seem to love it....it just works....i understand that snoop wants to be a "boss" but that dont mean you cant work with dre......put it this way if snoop didnt show up on detox i would be just as mad....because its just proven effective like i said.....so why change it....pretty much seer you are asking "why" and im asking "why not?" you get what im saying....i know he cant hold his hand and all that but im sure he can get atleast one track in there....and another thing is that im not expecting another doggystyle im just expecting a straight banging album...and paid tha cost just doesnt cut it...i just feel that im a big snoop fan and i feel bad because i dont like his album?....and why is that? its because he is trying to change his style...and like i said before...there really is no need for it....do you know what im saying?.....hope i make sense.....but thats just the way i feel....
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this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.
you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops
ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin
snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.
dre is wayy tooo busy.
you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.
honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.
- remember this -
having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.
they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.
snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.
We all know how tight they are together,personally i hoped in a few dre tracks on this new snoop's album but the "problem" is not dre.....once again the best songs still leftovers.
With these songs the album would have been great:
*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want
AND THESE TRACKS ARE NOT PRODUCED BY DR.DRE
So the problem is not dr.dre,but snoop's mind.
Why the best songs are the leftovers ?
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Snoop just needs to go back to the West Coast sound, str8 up. Whenever he's on a distinctive West Coast track his shit is tight. It might not be any more special compared to his "wider audience" stuff lyrics wise (save for Doggystyle), but it's that sound that he needs to make a dope track.
WC's Streets: Ever since I heard the first steps of the beat & Nate goin' "Na, na, naah. Na, na naah..." I was thinking: "Now this is some shit you can throw up the W to". (There's not much of that shit around nowadays is there?) Snoop was mad tight on that song. He just needs to make tracks with Dre, Warren, Quik & other West Coast producers to come with the tightest shit. I got mad love for Primo's beats, but they're not really Snoop's stuff, no matter how dope "The One And Only" was. But it would've been doper with Dre or Warren (or some other West Coast cat) behind the boards, I'm 100% sure of that. Now, I can't say if them unreleased tracks are these kinds of West Coast tracks, since I ain't heard 'em, but they're still only a few tracks compared to the stuff that's out there.
Now sayin' that Dre & Snoop should collaborate 'cause they had that dope shit in the past isn't a bad idea at all, it's not "just as bad". 'Cause you know, Dre produced The Chronic & Doggystyle, Snoop's classic material. Then sumthin' like 6 years after Doggystyle's release these niggaz hook up again when Dre was makin' his 2001. Even though Snoop wasn't all over it like before, there's nobody that can say that Snoops stuff wasn't off tha hook on 2001. His verse on Fuck You, his chorus on Still D.R.E., his verse on Next episode - dope dope dope. They did classic material then, even though Doggystyle & The Chronic were in the past. The Dre & Snoop chemistry worked again on Hennessy & Buddah, even though The Chronic and all that was in the past. So it's insane to say that their chemistry couldn't work again just 'cause the classics are in the past.
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you got some good points....i want to say this....i can care less if dre is rapping with snoop but dre producing for him and helping him with the vocal direction and so forth has proven to be effective and people seem to love it....it just works....i understand that snoop wants to be a "boss" but that dont mean you cant work with dre......put it this way if snoop didnt show up on detox i would be just as mad....because its just proven effective like i said.....so why change it....pretty much seer you are asking "why" and im asking "why not?" you get what im saying....i know he cant hold his hand and all that but im sure he can get atleast one track in there....and another thing is that im not expecting another doggystyle im just expecting a straight banging album...and paid tha cost just doesnt cut it...i just feel that im a big snoop fan and i feel bad because i dont like his album?....and why is that? its because he is trying to change his style...and like i said before...there really is no need for it....do you know what im saying?.....hope i make sense.....but thats just the way i feel....
Why Snoop? It's dre that won't work with people, I'm sure snoop woulda loved to have him on the album. Dre's too busy making stuff for other people, though.
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i really doubt that dre told snoop "no".....i bet if he did say something it ws probrably something like i got alot of people im working with at the moment if you would like to wait in line i will be sure to hook you up with a couple of beats...and if dre was a bitch about it than damn dre why? and another thing is that it just dont got to be Dre as long as its gangsta westcoast shit...like the streets and that aint no dre beat
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ok lets look...........
Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.
Funny looking at the list..
All tracks Dre has done for Snoop is considered classic/near classic, so I can't see why they shouldn't continue to work together?
And there's 2 places that says "no dre", and it looks like most people consider "Tha Game is" & "Paid the cost" as his worst efforts yet...
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I agree that Dre is too busy to produce a lot of tracks for Snoop, but a few is possible. Also, there were only a couple of songs with the "west coast feel" to them on PTC. Dre only did what 2 tracks for Tha Last Meal? Fuck, damn near every song on there was a banger. He doesn't necessarily need Dre, just better production than what was on PTC....fa shizzle
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the one thing SNoop needs is consistancy. Instead of having 7-10 producers, he should pick 3 producers (Soopafly, Warren G, and Fred Wreck can all experiment with beats,no need for a dozen producers on an album) and have them split ALL the tracks on the album, then LIMIT the guest appearances so it doesn't turn into a compilation like "Paid Tha Cost..." (warren G, Nate Dogg, Daz, Tha Twinz, Sooapfly, and E-white drop some verses here and there). He brings consistency to the table, and he has another tight album
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firstly, good to see a nice thread with constructive criticism rather than the regular 'PTC is wack' routine. I agree with what most of y'all have already said. I think Quik n Snoop would work well. Dre's way too busy. As the doc said himself "my finger prints all over the top 10". He's working hard with all the other artists and doesn't have time to sit with Snoop any more. Quik however isn't working on a whole bunch of albums at the moment so they should really hook up and do something. I was really shocked when I saw that there was no 'like doing it too' or 'twenty mins II'. Really liked those tracks. In my opinion 213 will either revive Snoop's fans or break them. As for the huge amount of features, it goes back to Snoop having fun. If I was him I'd like working with others too. Nobody wants to lock himself in a room by himself and work on lyrics. He wants to sit around n talk about them instead. Snoop still has potential but he needs to crack down a little and give it all he's got. c'mon 213
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the one thing SNoop needs is consistancy. Instead of having 7-10 producers, he should pick 3 producers (Soopafly, Warren G, and Fred Wreck can all experiment with beats,no need for a dozen producers on an album) and have them split ALL the tracks on the album, then LIMIT the guest appearances so it doesn't turn into a compilation like "Paid Tha Cost..." (warren G, Nate Dogg, Daz, Tha Twinz, Sooapfly, and E-white drop some verses here and there). He brings consistency to the table, and he has another tight album
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