West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: socal on March 19, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
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8) so recently the west is kinda beefing (cube vs. New west) the reason why is because some disrespect towards the vets and also from some of the new west. The real question I have is new west has been around close to 5 years now which to me is not really new... But anyways I know theirs fresh new talent grinding on the coast after new west but since there not "new west" it seems like new west is sort of doing what cube has done to new west. "new west or nothing" Basically hated on! Let's just keep it west coast and fuck it let talent speak for itself.
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True West...
Rap is not a athletic sport....Verbal,Mental, and creative skills don't diminish.Actually they only get better if they're constantly worked on and developed. Like Dre...You listen to his early NWA shit compared to his new shit...He's a billion times better than he was in the 80's and 90's.
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future west.
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Well there's the jerk movement :P. Or the likes of Del Tha Funky Homosapien or Hop-Sin who don't really fall under either.
I support the New West but when you list up the rappers who've claimed they're a part of it next to the year they started buzzing, you'll see that it's more of a wave that happens every year only each one has a different line up.
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double newwest.
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Space West
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There's a new movement coming called the "No West"
that's when the music industry changes so drastically that artists go into creative shock due to economic issues that were once on their side.
the lack of preparation for this occurence will drive many artists to revert to street ethics in an effort to try and gain leverage.
this new approach only places further distance between true success and the cliché quote "The West is Back."
The formula is simple:
Produce Quality Product >> RELEASE Quality Product >> Target CORE Audience = $ and Brand Awareness.
Artists' Lack of Quality + Artists' Lack of Unity + No Media Support + Generational Conflict + Fans who forget they are that = Today.
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west reloaded starring keanu reeves
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How about just "West"?
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True West...
Rap is not a athletic sport....Verbal,Mental, and creative skills don't diminish.Actually they only get better if they're constantly worked on and developed. Like Dre...You listen to his early NWA shit compared to his new shit...He's a billion times better than he was in the 80's and 90's.
Lol,thats the total opposite of reality.And dres shit is ghost written,all that means is he has more money to pay better people.
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True West...
Rap is not a athletic sport....Verbal,Mental, and creative skills don't diminish.Actually they only get better if they're constantly worked on and developed. Like Dre...You listen to his early NWA shit compared to his new shit...He's a billion times better than he was in the 80's and 90's.
Lol,thats the total opposite of reality.And dres shit is ghost written,all that means is he has more money to pay better people.
i think he's talking about production
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True West...
Rap is not a athletic sport....Verbal,Mental, and creative skills don't diminish.Actually they only get better if they're constantly worked on and developed. Like Dre...You listen to his early NWA shit compared to his new shit...He's a billion times better than he was in the 80's and 90's.
Lol,thats the total opposite of reality.And dres shit is ghost written,all that means is he has more money to pay better people.
i think he's talking about production
Well then insert being able to pay better musicians instead of ghost writers.
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Space West
this the name of my next album!! lol
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if the young cats just made good music there wouldn't be a problem.....the og's have proved they can hold down a song and an album on there "own".....Most of the new generation can't hold down a song by themselves.... 8)
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I agree with Cube, Fuck New West a bit. I mean fucking damn the originals in hip-hop couldn't have as much exposure (Most acts were pretty much luck) as today's new west. The Internet changed the way that people can come up, Case and Point (god I gonna hate this) but Soulja Boy is proof of this. Mind you it's also showing how hip-hop/raps core elements have deteriorated, and how Mainstream truly doesn't give a damn about the core elements, but in the end it's exposure. I mean you go back to the 1980s/90s and chances are majority of these niggaz wouldn't have any play outside there own area. I mean Eminem was only primarily known in Detroit until Dr. Dre had gotten Involved, even N.W.A had been a lucky act, just because there album had something no one else at the time was putting out, the fact that Eazy had made his own label, and that some guy in the industry (Jerry) iwas willing to work with people from the street.
In the end N.W.A only got Radio play for the first time because of "Panic Zone" and sold out to that electrico hip-hop at that time. Today niggaz don't need to sellout. Today they can run everything avoiding the labels, and generate there own money. Every Technology you had at the studio you can get at home now. It's no longer like back in the day you needed to pay for studio time. Today's artist can build there own fanbase via mixtape, p2p sharing, the 1000s of hip-hop sites, and don't even need to PRESS a album today. Itunes, MP3 purchase today allows them to directly sell to the fans, avoiding labels taking income. If they're good they can get a strong underground (Crooked I for example) and eventually generate enough interest for themselves.
The fact some of these new niggaz want old niggaz 2 get em a pass iz bullshit.
Anyways, for me it goes sorta like a gang line up.
OGz (N.W.A, Ice T for example)
Captains (1990s rap mostly, 2pac, Snoop, Dpg)
Shot Collars (Post 1995 - 2000)
Big homie (2000 - 2005)
Baby Gangstas (2005 -2010)
Basically as u get older u get up there.
So basically this
Original West
Golden Age
Third Generation West
4th Generation West
New West
Original and Golden are not 1/2 generation because they've innovated the entire scene (Example:Original:N.W.A, Golden Age: The Chronic)
I mean Third Generation had some amazing shit, and 4th pretty much was a decrypted shit pile. New West brought some Revitalization.
The fact a lot of these niggaz don't drop albums is amazing. Even Local niggaz in Fresno have even pressed albums (Mind you it's still on a local scale, but they are still getting the music out there and still trying).
Still in the end, even if these niggaz don't drop albums it's not all that bad.
Crooked I hasn't dropped a pressed album, and he's passed being new west. He's still put on bangers.
The fact is niggaz don't need to press albums to be in the game. all they need 2 drop is hot 12 tracks, and we can make the album ourselves. The fact is the majority of these artist thrive off this new Technology. So why complain when we don't get a hardcopy???
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west reloaded starring keanu reeves
hahahahahahahahah
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In my eyes there is one and that is the "WEST-COAST" it's a shame some new artists want to try and separate themselves by claiming a title "New-West'. But that's cool because in "new-west" we can do new west style and DOWNLOAD there albums for free. Every other WEST-COAST album we can buy OG's of there albums.
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True West...
Rap is not a athletic sport....Verbal,Mental, and creative skills don't diminish.Actually they only get better if they're constantly worked on and developed. Like Dre...You listen to his early NWA shit compared to his new shit...He's a billion times better than he was in the 80's and 90's.
Lol,thats the total opposite of reality.And dres shit is ghost written,all that means is he has more money to pay better people.
I'm talking about production..Dre aint never been known as a spitter.
Rappers that constantly work on their craft get better with time..Like Andre 3000 and Lil Wayne, and Lil Wayne is a old school artist.
The ones that fall off are the ones that get lazy and dont work on their craft and fail to re-invent themselves...The public gets tired of their style and the game gets rid of them Has nothing to do with age...Niggas was tired of Spice 1 after two CDs, in his mid 20s.He stopped working on his craft and didnt re-invent himself.
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Hate to break it to you,but lil wayne has been getting progressively worse and andre 3000 barely makes music anymore.And the love below was garbage.
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Hate to break it to you,but lil wayne has been getting progressively worse and andre 3000 barely makes music anymore.And the love below was garbage.
Never heard the love below..I dont fuck wit weird alternative shit..But I heard his features and they're bananas.He's light years better than he used to be.
Lil Wayne is 1000 times better than he was since the days of "Go DJ"....He's not getting worse...he just has more product on the market than the public can handle.If Weezy was more selective about the shit he puts out, liike Dre...You wouldnt think he was getting worse.
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Andre 3000 drops a verse every 6 months if that.Its easy to have a bananas verse at that rate.And if you truely believe that of wayne I feel sorry for you.Rebirth was ass,musically and lyrically.His mixtapes are nowhere near the level he was at pre carter 3.
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old west = og's who fell off...
new west = mediocre cats who cant drop an album even with a deal, cause the label knows they aint makin their money back..
nipsey is the shit though, and i dont consider him new west...hes a step beyond these cats..
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old west = og's who fell off...
new west = mediocre cats who cant drop an album even with a deal, cause the label knows they aint makin their money back..
nipsey is the shit though, and i dont consider him new west...hes a step beyond these cats..
lol,nipsey is mediocre at best.He wont sell 10 000 records,nobody wants to hear that played out 90s westcoast bullshit anymore.But wait,where is his album?
Everyone has trouble releasing albums these days it isnt just confined to westcoast.And Im sorry but ill take a bishop lamont mixtape over the garbage dpg has been spewing out ad nauseum the last ten years.Malice in wonderland?No fucking thanks.
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old west=albums, new west=mixtapes, you choice which is better ;D
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stop thinking everything got to sound gangsta and all that bullshit,buy/download shit that's networth, skills first the other shit second, shade made good sense with his post yell
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Ill take fashawn and blus albums over 90 percent of the cliche gangsta rap shit anyday.
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it will b 2012 and itll b NO WEST
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old west = og's who fell off...
new west = mediocre cats who cant drop an album even with a deal, cause the label knows they aint makin their money back..
nipsey is the shit though, and i dont consider him new west...hes a step beyond these cats..
lol,nipsey is mediocre at best.He wont sell 10 000 records,nobody wants to hear that played out 90s westcoast bullshit anymore.But wait,where is his album?
Everyone has trouble releasing albums these days it isnt just confined to westcoast.And Im sorry but ill take a bishop lamont mixtape over the garbage dpg has been spewing out ad nauseum the last ten years.Malice in wonderland?No fucking thanks.
well fuck it, i wanna hear some nipsey shit hahaha..i like that sound, not the watered down new west wannabe soundin like the souht half the time...and yes me too i would rather hear bishop these days than the god awful dpg music thats been dropped these past few years (watch the groupies come to their rescue any minute now)....but see also, blu and fashawn BORE me so much..i tried to give them a chance but meh...its all a matter of specific preference i guess...
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old west = og's who fell off...
new west = mediocre cats who cant drop an album even with a deal, cause the label knows they aint makin their money back..
nipsey is the shit though, and i dont consider him new west...hes a step beyond these cats..
lol,nipsey is mediocre at best.He wont sell 10 000 records,nobody wants to hear that played out 90s westcoast bullshit anymore.But wait,where is his album?
Everyone has trouble releasing albums these days it isnt just confined to westcoast.And Im sorry but ill take a bishop lamont mixtape over the garbage dpg has been spewing out ad nauseum the last ten years.Malice in wonderland?No fucking thanks.
and whats you want to hear? Thats west coast,gang bang shit,smoke weed music 8) 8)..fuck this south shit
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The Wild Wild West.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/IEaX4ApC_EU
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Kanye West :)
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All of this shit is kind of silly. It's good West and bad West. Thing is both sides need to realize they need each other. Hate on Dre if you want but he's one of the few veterans who sort of figured it out. He started out with a bunch of dudes from Compton. When he went to Death Row, he pulled together a lot of young cats from Long Beach. When he did Aftermath, he was all over the place. White boy from Detroit. Mixtape hustler from Queens. Whatever it took to keep him fresh. Even got Game when the time was called. I think veterans co-signing younger or at least newer acts, when done right, helps keep their careers fresh. We love seeing Cube with Dub C and Snoop with Dogg Pound but we also want to see them add some fresh faces into the mix. Game was an exciting deal for the West but that kind of thing has a shelf life. I think when he came out, people were interested in the BWS movement but nothing materialized. It would be like if 50 waited until he dropped "Curtis" to start pushing G-Unit as a brand. You got to strike while the iron is hot. It's tough because the industry really is sort of fucked.
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I agree with Cube, Fuck New West a bit. I mean fucking damn the originals in hip-hop couldn't have as much exposure (Most acts were pretty much luck) as today's new west. The Internet changed the way that people can come up, Case and Point (god I gonna hate this) but Soulja Boy is proof of this. Mind you it's also showing how hip-hop/raps core elements have deteriorated, and how Mainstream truly doesn't give a damn about the core elements, but in the end it's exposure. I mean you go back to the 1980s/90s and chances are majority of these niggaz wouldn't have any play outside there own area. I mean Eminem was only primarily known in Detroit until Dr. Dre had gotten Involved, even N.W.A had been a lucky act, just because there album had something no one else at the time was putting out, the fact that Eazy had made his own label, and that some guy in the industry (Jerry) iwas willing to work with people from the street.
In the end N.W.A only got Radio play for the first time because of "Panic Zone" and sold out to that electrico hip-hop at that time. Today niggaz don't need to sellout. Today they can run everything avoiding the labels, and generate there own money. Every Technology you had at the studio you can get at home now. It's no longer like back in the day you needed to pay for studio time. Today's artist can build there own fanbase via mixtape, p2p sharing, the 1000s of hip-hop sites, and don't even need to PRESS a album today. Itunes, MP3 purchase today allows them to directly sell to the fans, avoiding labels taking income. If they're good they can get a strong underground (Crooked I for example) and eventually generate enough interest for themselves.
you mean Express yourself :eh:
NWA didn't blow up with Panic Zone, WTF are you talking about
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Ill take fashawn and blus albums over 90 percent of the cliche gangsta rap shit anyday.
pretty much. exile is probs behind the best music from the west in last 3 yrs
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Ill take fashawn and blus albums over 90 percent of the cliche gangsta rap shit anyday.
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In the end N.W.A only got Radio play for the first time because of "Panic Zone" and sold out to that electrico hip-hop at that time. Today niggaz don't need to sellout. Today they can run everything avoiding the labels, and generate there own money. Every Technology you had at the studio you can get at home now. It's no longer like back in the day you needed to pay for studio time. Today's artist can build there own fanbase via mixtape, p2p sharing, the 1000s of hip-hop sites, and don't even need to PRESS a album today. Itunes, MP3 purchase today allows them to directly sell to the fans, avoiding labels taking income. If they're good they can get a strong underground (Crooked I for example) and eventually generate enough interest for themselves.
The fact a lot of these niggaz don't drop albums is amazing. Even Local niggaz in Fresno have even pressed albums (Mind you it's still on a local scale, but they are still getting the music out there and still trying).
Still in the end, even if these niggaz don't drop albums it's not all that bad.
Crooked I hasn't dropped a pressed album, and he's passed being new west. He's still put on bangers.
The fact is niggaz don't need to press albums to be in the game. all they need 2 drop is hot 12 tracks, and we can make the album ourselves. The fact is the majority of these artist thrive off this new Technology. So why complain when we don't get a hardcopy???
But there's a good and bad side to that. The easier it is to become an artist, the more the market becomes flooded with the MP3 and mixtape rappers so it becomes more difficult for them to stand out. The "hard copy" allows them to reach that crowd who still buy CD's and distinguish themselves from the people who only have "MP3 exclusive" projects. Even if it's a limited run, it shows that there is demand for you in all formats. Tech N9ne can drop CD's independently on a rather frequent basis so if the interest is there, you can create that lane.