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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: cStyle on April 08, 2010, 05:41:16 PM
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please read this and let me kno what yall think...
1. Sell Outs
I used to have a lot respect for Snoop...he did knock out some classic dope ass music and broke bread with a lot of dope artists no doubt, but that was years ago. People got to accept that Dude is straight wack and a fuckin sell out these last years. Yall got to realize that dude aint in the game for the music no more he is only in to fatten his pockets and that goes for all them other wack ass straight trash releasing mcs too. U know thats why Rap is dying...nobody gives a fuck about this musik shit no more yall sold the game and thats why iit aint selling no more..WELL...MAKE IT SELL AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE QUALITY MUSIC AGAIN. If nobody makes a change Rap is real dead in a few years if not earlier and i mean real dead like six feet under >:( and no brothers from the hood are gonna eat ever again from the game...
If u look at all them classics which have been created in the 90s people are still listening to them cause they are timeless and everybody wishes music would be dope like back in the day (IM NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO SOUND LIKE BACK IN THE DAY, IM TALKIN QUALITY HERE) cause back then artists first concern was to knock out dope ass music and they tried to be the best on the mic or with them beats u know.They put their bloodsweat and tears in that shit and grind for years to make a real impact back then. The State of the rapgame today is make it big real fast put out bullshit albums with 1 or 2 hot singles cuz theyre movin a few units anyway cuz of theire names or off some fake image and promo n shit.
In the 90s all these wacks wouldve been smashed on the mic by them real ones. These wacks need to get kicked the fuck outta the game...for real...same goes for these wack ass producers!!! All this wackness is fuckin lungcancer to the game and soon it gonna stop breathing.
Ok now to the wack producers...the hole coast always complaining bout how only Dre can save the coast. And how Dre is a genius and if it aint dre it aint dope n shit know im talkin about? Sure...Dre is the best Hip Hop Producer ever no doubt about it. But does that mean there cant be other producers who can bring the heat??? All them Rappers n Producers who be yellin that need to check theirselfs. Thats like all them NBA Players back in the day wouldve said fuck Basketball i aint playing the fuckin game no more if Jordan aint in my team feeel me? Wheres the Competition? Create your on Style make dope beats and dont try to make beats who could appeal to the masses. Make beats that you would bump the shit out off, shit thats comes from your heart. Dont try to jump on the bandwagon and copy all that shit whats hot right now cause thats WICK WICK WACK...
You know why Dre is on top? cause he worked hard for it HE WORKED HARD FOR IT!!!! He made his dreams become reality, worked like a fuckin maniac and lived that music shit to the fullest and he made music which he loved which bumped hard and made him feel like the best...be a champ not a chump!!!
There are a few producers which made a name for themself on the coast but to be honest they wack!!! Terrace Martin for example i mean he may be a cool guy and got some kniowledge but to me dude aint got talent. I dont remember ONE beat which made me go like goddaaaaamn or sticked in my ear for some time.matter of fact that goes for nearly every fuckin producer on the coast. The sound aint slammin thats why nobody be listening to that shit leave alone buyin the music :-X
Im not done yet but im high as fuck and im going to catch some sleep now but i think i made my point clear we need some Rap/HipHop OBAMAs in the game or the game gonna be dead sooner or later...
but its not all bad im seeing some dope cats comin up like Nipsey Hussle Dom Kennedy Pac Div, Game (hes already established but he a good one too) so there is still hope and those are the artists we need to support they the future ;)
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The Westcoast is struggling cus the fanbase changed from grown/teenage men/boys to 13 yr old females and Westcoast artists dont want to make booty shake music. NOT selling out has hurt the West far more then SELLING out.
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you went off my equal hahaha, i feel yo pain, but bacc then shit could be raw as fucc and FANS wasn't talking about music sounding crispy or all that bullshit they just wanted the music how you gave it to em,now muthafuccas want the gloss and swear they are fucc'n quik or dr dre they damn self when it comes to music, plus they feel THEY NEED A FUCC'N BIG NAME CO-SIGN FOR THEM TO GET INTO IT, so even if a artist drop knot shit,they'll still look at em like a nobody,which is stupid since everybody got to start from somewhere. "FUCC A BIG TIME CO-SIGN,IF THEY SHIT IS DOPE IT'S IN THIS I-POD OF MINES" YELL
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The Westcoast is struggling cus the fanbase changed from grown/teenage men/boys to 13 yr old females and Westcoast artists dont want to make booty shake music. NOT selling out has hurt the West far more then SELLING out.
Bullshit!!! They just dont know what good music is so you got to show em. Watch when Detox be comin out shits gonna sell millions i guarantee you. Deep inside these kids be fiendin for soem dope shit the just dont know it exists so they bump what they get served thru the media. Burn em a dope rap cd and they never ever gonna listen to thatplastic shit again.
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The west coast is garbage? The bay area never relied on Dr Dre that's why they continue to do well. LA sucks, not all of California.
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The Westcoast is struggling cus the fanbase changed from grown/teenage men/boys to 13 yr old females and Westcoast artists dont want to make booty shake music. NOT selling out has hurt the West far more then SELLING out.
Bullshit!!! They just dont know what good music is so you got to show em. Watch when Detox be comin out shits gonna sell millions i guarantee you. Deep inside these kids be fiendin for soem dope shit the just dont know it exists so they bump what they get served thru the media. Burn em a dope rap cd and they never ever gonna listen to thatplastic shit again.
Are you doubting that the fanbase changed? lol. Hip Hop became more commercialized partly due to "artists" like Diddy...Lil Jon....etc. At one point, Hip Hop videos were on The Box (how many of yall remember that shit?! lol). Then...they moved onto BET and the more popular tracks on Yo MTV Raps....then....they moved all the way to mainstream programming on MTV...and even to VH1. Once all of this started happening, the fanbase changed and we saw Hip Hop become more and more pop. A lot of Westcoast artists (and Im happy for this) dont want to conform to that genre of Hip Hop. They are under pressure from the streets to keep it G. Im glad...cus thats the shit I wanna hear. But it isnt the shit that makes it on the radio anymore. Like it or not. I think the shit we hear nowadays on the radio is strait up garbage. But the reality is...that is the music that appeals to the most people right now. If it wasnt...then no one would make this sorta pop/hip hop rap mussic we hear. If more Westcoast artists simply sold out and decided to make music for little girls....theyd probably sell more records. But they arent doin it....thank God...
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the BOX of course was the shit ;D yell
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the BOX of course was the shit ;D yell
u remember that shit?! You could call up and order the videos you wanted to see...i dont remember how much it cost lol Never wanted to pay...plus I was little and broke...lol
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There are alot of dope producers out here, rappers to for that matter. Especially the underground scene on the west, unless we are saying that artists like Murs, Blu, Fashawn, Sick Jacken and others are wack as well. ::)
But in the end they all get pigeonholed with the rest of the west when it is down and forgotten when things are right. It is a lose/lose.
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lol @ bitches cryin bout the west move on to the next coast if you aint happy
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The new west is garbage and corny .
Next Heaters
Ice Cube - I Am The West
MC Eiht - Which Way Is West
Dr Dre - Detox
Brotha Lynch Hung just dropped a Heater album .
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Im stuck in the past
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Fuck that! Cube knows what time i....
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Cube hasnt made good music in a long time.He makes average music at best the last ten years.You can practically feel him going through the motions on every song,its paint by numbers hip hop.
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Fuck that! I love hip-hop, but a real hip-hop. Stop crying like a baby's
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The West has kind of caught itself on a "Catch 22" in my opinion. Music is supposed to be diverse but the moment anything happens that isn't the standard formula for West Coast music, it's basically a giant shit fit. People only want what they are specifically interested in and when ever somebody goes outside that box, they turn their ears off. The labels don't want to put money behind it because the fans have built an enviroment where they won't fuck with it unless it's Snoop or Dre. There's a part of me, that while disgareeing with the anger towards the O.G.'s, understands it. Because all it takes to shut down people's way of thinking is to create that viewpoint. Cube may never have said "Fuck Glasses or fuck Crooked or fuck whoever" but the fans are so programmed into this Tupac "ride against my enemies like they were yours" mentality. Consumers need to stop being personally involved as much. My thing is if Cube is dropping his album the same day as the Mack 10-Glasses Malone one, I'm buying both.
And "selling out" is such an overused expression, I can't even qualify it as an argument anymore. Unless I know the context of how you're calling it, it just comes off as a comfort word. An expression people use because it's familiar and they have no idea how to move beyond. We're a generation bread on anyone who does something that we don't like in a commercial enterprise is "selling out".
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The West has kind of caught itself on a "Catch 22" in my opinion. Music is supposed to be diverse but the moment anything happens that isn't the standard formula for West Coast music, it's basically a giant shit fit. People only want what they are specifically interested in and when ever somebody goes outside that box, they turn their ears off. The labels don't want to put money behind it because the fans have built an enviroment where they won't fuck with it unless it's Snoop or Dre. There's a part of me, that while disgareeing with the anger towards the O.G.'s, understands it. Because all it takes to shut down people's way of thinking is to create that viewpoint. Cube may never have said "Fuck Glasses or fuck Crooked or fuck whoever" but the fans are so programmed into this Tupac "ride against my enemies like they were yours" mentality. Consumers need to stop being personally involved as much. My thing is if Cube is dropping his album the same day as the Mack 10-Glasses Malone one, I'm buying both.
And "selling out" is such an overused expression, I can't even qualify it as an argument anymore. Unless I know the context of how you're calling it, it just comes off as a comfort word. An expression people use because it's familiar and they have no idea how to move beyond. We're a generation bread on anyone who does something that we don't like in a commercial enterprise is "selling out".
+1, well said
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Cube hasnt made good music in a long time.He makes average music at best the last ten years.You can practically feel him going through the motions on every song,its paint by numbers hip hop.
Na man! Back n Dayz, he was tight. What now? Cube always the different. Just feel it
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The West has kind of caught itself on a "Catch 22" in my opinion. Music is supposed to be diverse but the moment anything happens that isn't the standard formula for West Coast music, it's basically a giant shit fit. People only want what they are specifically interested in and when ever somebody goes outside that box, they turn their ears off. The labels don't want to put money behind it because the fans have built an enviroment where they won't fuck with it unless it's Snoop or Dre. There's a part of me, that while disgareeing with the anger towards the O.G.'s, understands it. Because all it takes to shut down people's way of thinking is to create that viewpoint. Cube may never have said "Fuck Glasses or fuck Crooked or fuck whoever" but the fans are so programmed into this Tupac "ride against my enemies like they were yours" mentality. Consumers need to stop being personally involved as much. My thing is if Cube is dropping his album the same day as the Mack 10-Glasses Malone one, I'm buying both.
And "selling out" is such an overused expression, I can't even qualify it as an argument anymore. Unless I know the context of how you're calling it, it just comes off as a comfort word. An expression people use because it's familiar and they have no idea how to move beyond. We're a generation bread on anyone who does something that we don't like in a commercial enterprise is "selling out".
Yeah.+. But, Who knows people? They R so differense. And everybody mf has his own fhilosophy
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Yeah.+. But, Who knows people? They R so differense. And everybody mf has his own fhilosophy
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Yeah.+. But, Who knows people? They R so differense. And everybody mf has his own fhilosophy
But I think that's part of the problem. Making a song for commercial reasons is not selling out. Making a song that betrays your beliefs as an artist is. People forget that music is a business and to simplify it further, a job. We all have jobs we work because it pays the bills. There is a world of difference between doing something you don't like or at least aren't crazy about because you're being paid and doing something you're morally opposed to for money. When there's millions of dollars tied into your career, there's compromises happening. As long as you're not compromising your integrity, you're not selling out.
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Great post.I completely agree.People get way too wrapped in what artists do and say.When Crooked and Snoop had their rift,i went and supported both their projects even though crook is my favorite artist and I felt like snoop was holding him down.But I'm not going to let an artists beef dictate what I enjoy.Thats just ludicrous.You see posters on here like Long beach iz active that are such groupies to an artist that they do and say whatever they artist themself do nobody matter what with no real thoughts of their own.I didn't let Saigon and Joe buddens beef stop from enjoying the diss track they sent eachother and then went and copped their projects.I saw some poster on here say he would never spin Jay rock again because he went against cube,its like really dude?Thats just pathetic.Just enjoy the music and stop acting like your this perons best friend,actions like that make me question th sanity of a person.If you dislike a rapper just because he disses your favourite rapper,you have some clear mental issues.
As far as the other part is concerned.The west is stuck in its old ways.The problem is that Snoop,cube,Dre have a stranglehold on the coast.Everything goes through them,wether its new artists getting on the radio or people getting a deal on a major.They are the most important figures in westcoast hip hop like it or not.The problem is they call themselves leaders and kings and fans are stuck on these artist in the west,they wont accept anyone else unless one of these three cosign someone.Same with record labels,if your on the west and want to blow you better be going through these guys or else your fucked.The problem is they don't care,all they want is personal success.They feel threatened by the new generation so instread of helping them they hold them back and blackball them.People are always complaining that crooked bishop and glasses are being whiny about the cosigns but at the same time they wont even give these artists a chance because they aren't being co signed by them.Its hypocrisy at its finest.Its easy for someone like nipsey to say oh fuck a co sign I'm my own man,when hes being fucking cosigned.Lets see him say that after hes been around for years and the leaders of the coast wont help I'm at all.For worse,everything on the coast has to go through these major heads,so its not like crooked bishop glasses and them really want these cosigns,theyve been doing music on their own for years.Its just they NEED the cosigns for any chance at success on this coast.Its pretty pathetic when people on the east and south show more love to these young west cats then the people from their own coast.People want the west to be a huge prominent figure in hip hop again but they don't realize their the ones holding it back.These so called kings of the west are starving their own coast while making ridiculous claims like I am the west.Its pathetic.The west will always be where it is right now until these so called kings lets their people eat.It ain't about signing someone to your label,its all about that co sign.People can complain all they want and say they shouldn't need it it and be their own man but guess what,this is the west and unless snoop Dre or cube cosign an artist the rest of the country isn't interested.The sad part is,the music the vets and new west artists would make together would bring the west back to prominence.They need some fresh blood in there,some hungry artists.They need biship and glasses and crooked and jay rock to go in there and light a fire under their ass.The rest of the country only hears these major heads songs,and each album they get progressively worse.nobody cares about hearing snoop making a song with daz and kurupt for the one millionth time.They want someone new they want something exciting.But instead the west starves and each album by these vets their fanbase gets smaller and smaller until finally they wont even push wood.The west is being killed by nieve fans and old selfish men.
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Yeah.+. But, Who knows people? They R so differense. And everybody mf has his own fhilosophy
But I think that's part of the problem. Making a song for commercial reasons is not selling out. Making a song that betrays your beliefs as an artist is. People forget that music is a business and to simplify it further, a job. We all have jobs we work because it pays the bills. There is a world of difference between doing something you don't like or at least aren't crazy about because you're being paid and doing something you're morally opposed to for money. When there's millions of dollars tied into your career, there's compromises happening. As long as you're not compromising your integrity, you're not selling out.
Its the fact that a lot of fans get emotionally attached to these rappers. So the minute a rapper makes a song that is for radio..and not EXACTLY what the fans are used to, they feel betrayed and think the artist is selling out. Its understandable in a way because when these rappers were coming up, they were more than likely being supported by those very same fans who now feel that the rapper is letting them down by chasing the money...and turning his back on his original fans. I get it. But I agree that selling out isnt about making music for radio and trying to get rich. Its about compromising your own beliefs. My beef is just with the quality of rap we have on the airways now that the fanbase isnt what it used to be. The fan base used to be HIP HOP fans. Now the fan base is Hannah Montana/ Rap fans.
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Regarding wack MC's and producers, it's all taste and what fits your ear.
You might like something that another person finds boring. Or vice versa.
Nowadays people say someone sold out just because they don't make the kind of music they used to (Ya Boy), or because they changed the sound of their music to make more money. If the second is considered selling out then I ponder what people think when they heard how Dr. Dre changed his style (production-wise). As for the first one I can picture someone who used to rap about guns and gangbanging but then decided to rap about bitches and hoes, that seem like selling out to you? You be the judge of that.
I wouldn't say the west is garbage, but the music made by O.G.'s is getting duller and the music made by the B.G.'s aren't reaching the shelves. The chances of the O.G.'s dying of age is becoming more probable than the West getting back to the forefront, simple.
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Cube hasnt made good music in a long time.He makes average music at best the last ten years.You can practically feel him going through the motions on every song,its paint by numbers hip hop.
Somebody that love so much crooked i and gio budden shouldn't talk about ICE CUBE.
But please, go on with the music lesson, your posts are pure comedy
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i wouldnt say all of the westcoast is garbage, but alot of it is.
this is mainly because of alot of westcoast rappers jumping on the south's nuts, making dirty south sounding music, or making eastcoast sounding music, or doing some gay booboo pop-rap or rnb. they're too scared to make westcoast gangsta rap, coz all these dumb critics in magazines and news websites will criticize it, and say that they need to move on, but thats the west's signature sound. the south have their signature sound, and they will never change it. same as the eastcoast. its just those 2 rap sub-genres are not considered played out by these dumb fucking music critics, who dont know what is good music. so all of these westcoast rappers are playing to the tunes of them, instead of being grown men and saying "fuck ya'll, this is our sound, if you dont like it, then kiss my ass. we are westcoast, and we are going to represent it properly by making westcoast sounding music. our fans appreciate our music, and we're making it for them, and not for you queers from MTV."
there are still some westcoast rappers who are keeping it real like daz, kurupt, and ofcourse a bunch of other artists.
but the big names, like the game, snoop, and to a lesser extent warren, are sellin out big time. lady gaga on a game album? soulja boy on a snoop album? cassy davis on a warren g album? i mean what the fuck? with these rapper, there's no respect for the music anymore. they're just completely trying to chase the dollar. they've stopped making real westcoast music because these geeks from these magazines n stuff are tellin them its played out.
look at snoop's "tha last meal" album for instance,... that was the last real westcoast solo album of his, and it sold double platinum. for some reason snoop felt the need to go the pop-rap/rnb route on the next albums. this i never understood, but this move has really hurt westcoast gangsta rap, because snoop is the frontman for it, so if he aint doin it nomore, then all these other westcoast arists do the same.
and i disagree about the westcoast has wack producers. thats is so wrong. the west has alot of talented producers, but they're just not being used, or they're told by the artists or their record companys to make beats that sound like they're from the south or the east coast, or pop-rap or rnb.
the only big name left that is keeping it 100 right now is ice cube. thats why every single person who is a fan of westcoast rap needs to pick this album up if they know whats good for them.
cube is the last hope for westcoast gangsta rap, coz he is the only big name from the westcoast that is still doin it. he is representing it with pride, and saying "fuck the industry" , while he'll sell atleast gold status , while releasing the album independantly.
without cube doing this, gangsta rap could well be completely dead soon. meaning that no westcoast artists will make it.
its quite ironic that ice cube was the one who started gangsta rap, and now he's keeping it alive. 25 years, and still doin it. ultimate respect for cube!
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New West, Old Heads, Sellouts, are what i been hearing throughout dubcnn. Some of these artrist you call new west been around for 6 years or more. the ages are 30 and older with the exception of jay rock and some others, so they could be considered age wise as old heads . New west seperates the coast. fuck that, this coast is the west coast and nothin else. you talk about sellout. How many of you are doing somthin you really like to do and money is not the reason, so you would be willin to do it for free.How many of you would turn down being rich as long as you are not doing anything that goes against most of your standards. these rap niggaz are trying to live the american dream, which is to be wealthy(somthin that is at the top of everyones list other than to be heathy and spend time wit family). These niggaz make a few songs that keep their name out there on a gloabal level to maintain a strong brand and they still make the gangsta shit as well. its a gang of A&Rs and label execs on this bitch(dubcnn forum), but they aint done shit in the music business. for expample, Glasses new song is not the gangsta shit you want but its dope. you dont see them rap niggaz tellin the avg nigga how to live there life and you would not wont another nigga on this forum tellin you how to live yours because it would be a lot more e-beefing goin down. real talk!
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Whether you like something or not will always be an opinion,
folks these days are too concerned with what the next man is doing.. in an attempt to emulate.
Artists:
If 1000 folks you don't know said you were dope.. and one other person said you were wack..
why would u spend that much time contemplating why that (one) person doesn't care for you?
..wouldn't it be wiser to cater to that thousand??
Fans:
Some of yall are too caught up on trends. Yall are like Mormons hittin door to door tryna convert folks.
You want so bad to roll with popular belief instead of holding your ground with your own thoughts.
You are caught up in numbers that don't even have anything to do with you..
why do you care if an album sold 30 copies or 3 million.. you aren't seein profits either way.
but you will be quik to talk about a flop or how someone fell off, sold out etc.. cause u say so?
If you don’t see it in the mainstream you automatically assume nobody knows about it,
forgetting that this world is bigger than your neighborhood.
I have more fans overseas than domestically.. some of yall laugh.. I do too, but on my way to the bank.
Reality:
Do you know how much you could stand to make by selling even 500 copies of anything?
That ‘flop’ could pay your mortgage for half a year..
Quality overcomes everything yall discussed in this thread,
and that’s beyond Unity, New West, Old West and No West.
I have yet to have anyone give me a legit negative criticism of my new album,
and sh*t.. I know how much work I put into making it worth the purchase.
I just bought myself another year to chill if I wanted to.. but I love working.
You never see me complain.. and that’s cause there ain’t sh*t to complain about!
If nobody ever does another record with me again..
If radio continues to be the scam that they have become..
Won’t matter, cause I built an independent machine that isn’t influenced by trends.
It’s all based on my QUALITY of work.
Spend less time on the extra shit and more time in the Laboratory.
The homies are over here debatin wit each other while my focus is to push this West line over the waters..
Deals come and go.. Radio is off and on.. Unity is rare..
But If my constiguents would focus more on the craft and less on the promo,
They too would discover that this game is a very natural process that ain’t all that hard to figure out how to make work for you.
My former business partners aint in my same status for specific reasons.. Marinate on that.
WEST or 0.
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fuck you shade sheist the only people buying your shit are weird japanese people
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There are alot of dope producers out here, rappers to for that matter. Especially the underground scene on the west, unless we are saying that artists like Murs, Blu, Fashawn, Sick Jacken and others are wack as well. ::)
But in the end they all get pigeonholed with the rest of the west when it is down and forgotten when things are right. It is a lose/lose.
I just wrote some examples u know. Didnt mean that the rest is wack. Murs actually is tight as fuck i love dudes music ;)
Yeah.+. But, Who knows people? They R so differense. And everybody mf has his own fhilosophy
But I think that's part of the problem. Making a song for commercial reasons is not selling out. Making a song that betrays your beliefs as an artist is. People forget that music is a business and to simplify it further, a job. We all have jobs we work because it pays the bills. There is a world of difference between doing something you don't like or at least aren't crazy about because you're being paid and doing something you're morally opposed to for money. When there's millions of dollars tied into your career, there's compromises happening. As long as you're not compromising your integrity, you're not selling out.
Its the fact that a lot of fans get emotionally attached to these rappers. So the minute a rapper makes a song that is for radio..and not EXACTLY what the fans are used to, they feel betrayed and think the artist is selling out. Its understandable in a way because when these rappers were coming up, they were more than likely being supported by those very same fans who now feel that the rapper is letting them down by chasing the money...and turning his back on his original fans. I get it. But I agree that selling out isnt about making music for radio and trying to get rich. Its about compromising your own beliefs. My beef is just with the quality of rap we have on the airways now that the fanbase isnt what it used to be. The fan base used to be HIP HOP fans. Now the fan base is Hannah Montana/ Rap fans.
You got me wrong man...im not one of these type of fans that talks down on any new shit cuz its new. Im listening to new shit all day every day "if its dope"! My Problem is Snoop just following trends and not doin himself. When u aks him why he changed his style from dope rap music to that plastic shit he always says ah man its all about evolution as an artist n shit lmao. Watch when Detox drops he gonna be all on that westcoast g-shit again ;) Why cause he switches like a chamileon to do everything to get the most profit.
Snoop got enuff money already, he never need to work in his life ever again, so he shoulda do something for Rap/HipHop. Now that he got the Position @ Priority he should bring the shit back fo real. Stop releasing your bullshit music you old ass mofucka and sign some real talent and get this shit crackin.
But on the other hand Snoop is tellin the truth when hes talkin bout most of these new west cats complaining about that nobody is putting them on. They need to get their own shit poppin and stop waiting for grilled chickens flying in they mouth ;) But it will never happen cause most of these dudes aint talented they just copycats without theyr own style...
this aint about the old west or the new west this is about Rap/HipHop in general and how we can give that hole game a face lift. We need unity in the game and we need artist who bring theyre own unique styles to the table just like all them veterans did back in the day and not copying all the shit which is hot right now. Thats why everybody is bored with Rap cuz its all the same bullshit all the same topics they speak about all that bullshit beefin for no reasons n shit. And thats why i understand Cubes point of view when he goin at the new West. I still respect cube, cuz he a real mofucka. He feels the same like me he hates all that wack bullshit and thats why hes addressin those new cats which are wack and are complaining how nobody helps them
Cats like glasses malone, bishop lamont, crooked i need to shut the fuck up and fall back. How many tracks did Glasses drop? A lot! But i dont remember one dope track if i tell the truth that sticked to my ear where i said man this shit is classic. To me hes just a regular MCand as i said he just like snoop following trends n shit to get rich quik by not bein himself. Same goes for Bishop. Crooked I on the other hand is a dope lyricist i can give him that hes ill. but hes still droppin garbage tracks most of the time cause the only tight beats he ever spitted over was that 19th stret shit a few deathrow tracks and them hiphop weeklys and maybe 1 or 2 slaughterhouse beats out of hundreds and hundreds of tracks. Yall remember how dope crooked came over them classic beats on HipHop Weeklys? Hes destroyed them and everybody was lovin it (and once again not cause them beats are old 90s shit ist cause theyre quality a dope beat is a dope beat no matter if it was created 10 years ago or today). Besides that dude fell the fuck off with all that stupid Boss shit he be yellin. I never felt his style after death Row. he became a wannabe Suge Knight, am i the only one who realised that? He talked like Suge, smokes cigars like suge, acted like a Boss who builded up an music empire or sumthing like suge lol. Cmon crooked u never even released one fuckin album man. Yes your are a dope MC but that aint enuff to make good tracks. The hole product needs to be slammin. People aint vibin to the tracks only cause of your lyrics.
Like i said i got faith tho with artists like Nipsey Hussle, Dom Kennedy, Pac Div (im just listing the new cats) cause i can feel the music flowing thru theryr veins the put theyre heart and soul in this music shit. Plus they take beats from young producers which got that fire Ill be coppin there shit for sure...twice...
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True.. weird Japanese, Australians, Europeans, Africans, Americans and others buy my shit..
what was your point again.. i seem to have missed it,
cause I thought I made music to SELL it??
try to add something of substance to this thread,
or go continue to obssess on photos of a female who actually looks like one of my typical fans. 8)
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your typical fans are 45 year old jewish mothers? damn i dont think thats something you should be proud about. honestly shade i see you found your little niche market over in japan and shit, thats cool if youre making money like that, but its funny when you come on here acting like youre this big name west coast rapper. youre not, you just have dedicated japs buying your shit
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I'd be more proud to say a 45 jewish mother was a fan of mine,
than to admit that I was ignorant.. you clearly go for the latter.
and I'm not acting like anything i'm not..
I know my demographic homie.. u obviously don't.
I mentioned you in my lil piece and that's why you're so hot.. lmao
get money.. it'll make you feel better. 8)
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Theres good west coast music out there. Go find it, it wont always come to you.
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I'd be more proud to say a 45 jewish mother was a fan of mine,
than to admit that I was ignorant.. you clearly go for the latter.
and I'm not acting like anything i'm not..
I know my demographic homie.. u obviously don't.
I mentioned you in my lil piece and that's why you're so hot.. lmao
get money.. it'll make you feel better. 8)
i didnt even read that shit, i just know you fucked up the elano filter and that is inexcusable
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Cats like glasses malone, bishop lamont, crooked i need to shut the fuck up and fall back. How many tracks did Glasses drop? A lot! But i dont remember one dope track if i tell the truth that sticked to my ear where i said man this shit is classic. To me hes just a regular MCand as i said he just like snoop following trends n shit to get rich quik by not bein himself. Same goes for Bishop. Crooked I on the other hand is a dope lyricist i can give him that hes ill. but hes still droppin garbage tracks most of the time cause the only tight beats he ever spitted over was that 19th stret shit a few deathrow tracks and them hiphop weeklys and maybe 1 or 2 slaughterhouse beats out of hundreds and hundreds of tracks. Yall remember how dope crooked came over them classic beats on HipHop Weeklys? Hes destroyed them and everybody was lovin it (and once again not cause them beats are old 90s shit ist cause theyre quality a dope beat is a dope beat no matter if it was created 10 years ago or today). Besides that dude fell the fuck off with all that stupid Boss shit he be yellin. I never felt his style after death Row. he became a wannabe Suge Knight, am i the only one who realised that? He talked like Suge, smokes cigars like suge, acted like a Boss who builded up an music empire or sumthing like suge lol. Cmon crooked u never even released one fuckin album man. Yes your are a dope MC but that aint enuff to make good tracks. The hole product needs to be slammin. People aint vibin to the tracks only cause of your lyrics.
Like i said i got faith tho with artists like Nipsey Hussle, Dom Kennedy, Pac Div (im just listing the new cats) cause i can feel the music flowing thru theryr veins the put theyre heart and soul in this music shit. Plus they take beats from young producers which got that fire Ill be coppin there shit for sure...twice...
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so bishop is a sellout?
wow, you obviously haven't heard much of his music
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i didnt even read that shit, i just know you fucked up the elano filter and that is inexcusable
Your existence is inexcusable..
you have to get on that level before u can criticize another grown man's success.
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i didnt even read that shit, i just know you fucked up the elano filter and that is inexcusable
Your existence is inexcusable..
you have to get on that level before u can criticize another grown man's success.
Quit crying to mods that your spam gets blocked son. You fucked up the Elano filter.
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i didnt even read that shit, i just know you fucked up the elano filter and that is inexcusable
Your existence is inexcusable..
you have to get on that level before u can criticize another grown man's success.
hahaha get on that level see this is what i mean. you fuckin videotape yourself sitting in your little living room man
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hahaha oh shit the succesful grown man rapper is talking about someones internet karma. that shit is like that because of the same 4 or 5 people
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You must be Japanese.. cause you sure do know a lot about what I do. 8)
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You must be Japanese.. cause you sure do know a lot about what I do. 8)
i know a lot about what you do? videotape yourself watching tv and shit? damn man you must not do a whole lot
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and with every reply you continue to show how much concern you have for the very little I do.. lol
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west has alot of dope talent. I aint gonna quote most of the good shit posted about what is going on.. everyone agrees and disagrees. Just know the environment is not the same as it was back then. Kats cant get on as it used to be... for various reasons... I also think, still think, wrong people in the right places.
fuck arguing. I'm just gonna post whats up IMO.. yall do the same.
Feel my wrath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYeXOT-4iBc
Just like that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsoijziAybs
unnamed track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I4zuG0TgC4
do u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWgQH03tLz8
fear none
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbSU3LoIw4
Rumorz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsGDuZZKysg
dope deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyCrGLqcCuE
nigga fuck you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaB68_dyRbg
dub taps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEPKFZRgtI
front line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ4eBAwBwHo
tha leak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze27chL9t5Y
cant go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOVryI0yZ7U
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1. Get the fuck out my thread Muhfukka u stupid hater
2. I wanst goin at cats like you with my post Shade i know you aint a sell out and i know that u livin this music shit so no dissrespect
3. yall gotta excuse me my english is not the best so i might express some things not right or yall misunderstand them
4. @ the Bishop fan: yeah i made a mistake i didnt mean hes a sellout i wanted to say that hes uhm lets say overrated in my opinion and therefor he should stop complaining. Hes not wack but his music aint the shit either
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Sky it's all good.. 8)
an educated point shouldn't offend anyone if it's the truth.
Haters exist so life won't be so straight and narrow.
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niggas like Shade Shiest are irrelevant and will have ZERO impact in the game, so to say crumb like him would negatively effect, let alone make any effect, the west is wrong
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Yep. 8)
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If you ask me rap as a whole sucks balls now! Rap today has to have that R&B flavor fused into it and I think that is really killing it cause it no longer sounds raw and hard. I don't understand why these rappers think they have to have a poppy R&B hook in their songs whatever happened to rapping/singing your own hook if I wanna hear some R&B then I'll pop in one of their albums...I could go on and on about why it sucks..too many features on a album, too many producers, too many plastic pop songs filling the album to try and sell to the youngsters...its disgusting
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If you ask me rap as a whole sucks balls now! Rap today has to have that R&B flavor fused into it and I think that is really killing it cause it no longer sounds raw and hard. I don't understand why these rappers think they have to have a poppy R&B hook in their songs whatever happened to rapping/singing your own hook if I wanna hear some R&B then I'll pop in one of their albums...I could go on and on about why it sucks..too many features on a album, too many producers, too many plastic pop songs filling the album to try and sell to the youngsters...its disgusting
like i said... its a different playing field now.. it used to be in the favor of a dope artist, now its what the industry thinks needs to be pushed.
Yeah, there are alot of rappers now.. yeah there are alot of people trying to make beats...
it is what it is.. but you or I or any other fan dictates what we buy/listen too. If we believe in ___ as a rapper.. we gonna buy his shit.
dont matter if you dont think ___ is irrelevent either...bekuz in some aspect he is... anyone doing good music is relevent. clown shade all you want about Japanese fans.. but japanese fans and european fans buy a ton of West koast!!!
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If you ask me rap as a whole sucks balls now! Rap today has to have that R&B flavor fused into it and I think that is really killing it cause it no longer sounds raw and hard. I don't understand why these rappers think they have to have a poppy R&B hook in their songs whatever happened to rapping/singing your own hook if I wanna hear some R&B then I'll pop in one of their albums...I could go on and on about why it sucks..too many features on a album, too many producers, too many plastic pop songs filling the album to try and sell to the youngsters...its disgusting
networth, but you know singing your own hook people will cry about like ja singing his own shit,50 singing his own hook, it's always cool till the artist blows up,drake will get it next if he go at least 3 plat now, but i'm with you on that raw shit and again every fan swear he has to mix the song as well instead of taking in the raw shit, hell i'm guilty of it as well at times,and it is part of the problem yell
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Whats with all the hatred towards Shade?!
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Whats with all the hatred towards Shade?!
I got no issue with his music...just the fact he fucked with the Elano filter, cause he was upset he could not spam his shit anymore.
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WTF is an Elano? ???
..and I don't spam, Homie.
Instead of making a hundred different threads to alert yall of a live show, I use the original thread I created.
(How is it spam if the event I'm posting is in real-time?)
my activities have been approved by the CEO of this company.. so clearly i'm doin sumthing correctly.
Daygo.. it's the same folks everytime.. doesn't really count as hate, that's just boredom. 8)
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Daygo.. it's the same folks everytime.. doesn't really count as hate, that's just boredom. 8)
Well...for the most part Im cool wit everybody on here. Maybe a few exceptions. I cant really hate on nobody gettin they money...as long as they aint takin none outta my pocket. My only issue with this rap shit as of late...is I feel its the wrong cats makin all the money. The mickey mouse shit we see on tv...theres a place for it. Theres ALWAYS been more lighthearted artists out there that made FUN music and not just street shit. I just get tired of the fact that its always artists who appeal to 14 yr old white girls who make all the money...and if u appeal to the streets, you gotta really grind to get paid. Especially since this hip hop shit came FROM the streets.
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I just get tired of the fact that its always artists who appeal to 14 yr old white girls who make all the money...and if u appeal to the streets, you gotta really grind to get paid. Especially since this hip hop shit came FROM the streets.
Its the biggest tragedy. Some of the dopest are not given the money they should be receiving... but as fans, we all gotta support them too.
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Im not much a fan of jay-z at all but i read a pretty true statement he made he said somethin about hip hop no longer being for adults and its more a youngsters sport to rap rather then being a grown man sport. I think thats dead on and thats why a lotta older cats complain so much about the state of hip hop.
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i disagree with jayz on that bullshit especially with him being a grown as artist, hip hop is for everybody just like every other music,just cause some old white man or jew is saying market to the kids don't mean that's what this culture is about wtf,so if that's the case you telling me equals who started this shit can't get paid for this because they may be a grandfather now? yet some old jew or white man can? get the fucc outta here, i'll never ride with that bullshit jay is legend but fucc him and his mindstate, rappers who are successful and who are older and got chipper jones should look to keep this shit going and bring more mature subjects to it yell
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i disagree with jayz on that bullshit especially with him being a grown as artist, hip hop is for everybody just like every other music,just cause some old white man or jew is saying market to the kids don't mean that's what this culture is about wtf,so if that's the case you telling me equals who started this shit can't get paid for this because they may be a grandfather now? yet some old jew or white man can? get the fucc outta here, i'll never ride with that bullshit jay is legend but fucc him and his mindstate, rappers who are successful and who are older and got chipper jones should look to keep this shit going and bring more mature subjects to it yell
I aint saying if your old you can't make money or be popular in the rap game...what im saying is the sound of hip hop is catered to a younger fan base now. Look at what snoop did with MIW...aint nothing about that record sounded grown up it all sounded like made to order bubble gum pop rap. Now why would he go and make a record like that?...uhhh maybe cause its easier to sell and market....but i do agree they need to bring back more mature content cause these guys no longer tell stories with their rhymes its all flossin now.
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Suprisingly...i agree...
but i gotta add Khalil and Focus...they got beasssstttttsss...
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i disagree with jayz on that bullshit especially with him being a grown as artist, hip hop is for everybody just like every other music,just cause some old white man or jew is saying market to the kids don't mean that's what this culture is about wtf,so if that's the case you telling me equals who started this shit can't get paid for this because they may be a grandfather now? yet some old jew or white man can? get the fucc outta here, i'll never ride with that bullshit jay is legend but fucc him and his mindstate, rappers who are successful and who are older and got chipper jones should look to keep this shit going and bring more mature subjects to it yell
I aint saying if your old you can't make money or be popular in the rap game...what im saying is the sound of hip hop is catered to a younger fan base now. Look at what snoop did with MIW...aint nothing about that record sounded grown up it all sounded like made to order bubble gum pop rap. Now why would he go and make a record like that?...uhhh maybe cause its easier to sell and market....but i do agree they need to bring back more mature content cause these guys no longer tell stories with their rhymes its all flossin now.
i braille that my equal, and even if they choose to make say 3 to 4 pop joints that's cool just slide in some stories with mature content as well, i got a feeling cube is gonna do that with his album coming up with some mature content yell
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Whats with all the hatred towards Shade?!
...just the fact he fucked with the Elano filter, cause he was upset he could not spam his shit anymore.
nah, he was upset his links got filtered and an admin reviewed a list of filtered words and thought "Elano" wasn't necessary.
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Im not much a fan of jay-z at all but i read a pretty true statement he made he said somethin about hip hop no longer being for adults and its more a youngsters sport to rap rather then being a grown man sport. I think thats dead on and thats why a lotta older cats complain so much about the state of hip hop.
Not sure about that..i mean back in the days we always had young mcs like kriss kross / Da Youngstaz / Illegal and rap was never for adults. When i was like 13-14 every kid who was my age was listening to rap and try to rap theirself u know so i dont think thats the problem...
I Think Rap/HipHop fell off after the Eastcoast/Westcoast Drama. After Tupac and Biggie died nothing was like it used to be. Everybody copied Tupacs Style and Rap/HipHop was only about makin money and beefin with the next dude. I mean dissin was always a part of the music but nowadays all these untalented copycats just dissin for money n fame or cause they got no respect. Back in the days Hip Hop was about respect and givin somebody props if he was dope on the mic. You would only diss somebody if you had a real good reason u know. And that to me is the real problem. Rap aint only negative shit people need to get that straight.
Everybody forgets that Pac was more than that beef shit he just caught up in the War with Bad Boy. You could ask the hole world and 99% only remembers him cause of the Drama when thats wasnt really tupac. If u look at his shit before he got shot man he wasnt about no War shit he was makin all kinda dope music speakin on all different topics plus he was more of a laid back type of dude back then. When he got shot the first time he changed and his style changed. He felt like he was setup became paranoid and went on a retailiation move and thats how all the shit started signed to suge an the drama began.
This East/West shit influenced the hole game...the artists and the fans.Everybody was pickin sides n shit fuck the east fuck the west bla bla bla till this day people dont get over this shit its all hate if u ask me and thats why nobody checks for rap/hip hop anymore. The dont make fresh beats no more they words aint sharp anymore they dont speak about relevant topics like political issues social issues storys about life and shit they aint lyrical its only about money bitches cars houses jewelry and dissin thats why people have become bored with all this u know.
thats my opinion
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZhWB0Kh-3s
^^listen to this beat man i bet all the money i got if this shit would came out today it would still sell millions. That really is whats been missing in todays productions the diope melodies that just makes u wanna go crazy. You can feel that the music did come from the heart man that shit is alive. 8)
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of course a classic sample off of a classic song yell
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i disagree with jayz on that bullshit especially with him being a grown as artist, hip hop is for everybody just like every other music,just cause some old white man or jew is saying market to the kids don't mean that's what this culture is about wtf,so if that's the case you telling me equals who started this shit can't get paid for this because they may be a grandfather now? yet some old jew or white man can? get the fucc outta here, i'll never ride with that bullshit jay is legend but fucc him and his mindstate, rappers who are successful and who are older and got chipper jones should look to keep this shit going and bring more mature subjects to it yell
I aint saying if your old you can't make money or be popular in the rap game...what im saying is the sound of hip hop is catered to a younger fan base now. Look at what snoop did with MIW...aint nothing about that record sounded grown up it all sounded like made to order bubble gum pop rap. Now why would he go and make a record like that?...uhhh maybe cause its easier to sell and market....but i do agree they need to bring back more mature content cause these guys no longer tell stories with their rhymes its all flossin now.
And it ended up being his worst selling album. Snoop tries to cater to the kids, but the kids aren't checking for his ass. And now I'm not either. :D
fyi Snoop was never really mature. He was only mature in the way that cussing a lot and rapping about fucking hoes isn't appropriate for kids.
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i totally agree with this shit right here the west coast but also all the coasts fucekn suck kuz they all doing that southern pop music shit man what happend to geto boys being kings of south now we got whack as t.i.
fuck snoop fuk the gayme fuk gay unit fuk lil wayne fuk all these fake ass motehrfucker