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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: The Come Up Shuffle on April 15, 2010, 10:52:35 AM
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You always see people cry about how baseball needs a cap to even the playing field, except cham but she has a pussy between her legs and is afraid of competition. But I see everyone crying for a cap but that won't fix the problem. You got a number of things you can do before even thinking of implementing cap. Everyone speak on it and I'll drop my thoughts later onl cuz I gotta get back to work.
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A cap would help. Not just because of the maximum spending amount...but also because there would then be a minimum payroll as well. So teams couldnt just completely tank and spend absolutely NO money (Royals, etc). The NFL is the best league by far in the US, football it is Americas #1 sport...and its not even close. They have a salary cap. Do what they do.
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What are the actual problems? That the AL teams can't hang with the Red Sox or Yankees? Is that it?
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A cap would help. Not just because of the maximum spending amount...but also because there would then be a minimum payroll as well. So teams couldnt just completely tank and spend absolutely NO money (Royals, etc). The NFL is the best league by far in the US, football it is Americas #1 sport...and its not even close. They have a salary cap. Do what they do.
Daygo hit it right on. There needs to be a upper and lower cap. Some of the small market teams are making money off of the Yankees and Redsox (others too) and not reinvesting it in the team like they are supposed to. I mean I don't understand why people get mad at the big spending teams. All of the owners are rich as fuck, it's just that some are willing to invest more in their baseball team, instead of another sports team they own, or gold courses, or whatever.
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Salary caps needs to in place,it makes them game boring,well not that you can make baseball much more boring then it already is.Instead of it being about which team can have the best philophsies and system and bringing in young talent,its abut whos got the biggest wallet.That isnt exciting to watch when its the same handful of teams making the playoffs year in year out.Sure its great for yankee fans,but every other team is fucked over by it.Imagine if every sport was like this,then youd have teams like the redskins in the NFL actually be great teams because theyd just spend the most money,as it is you just see them spend big on a handful of players and fall flat on their face.Thats exactly what would happen to the yankees if a salary cap was introduced.
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what problems are you reffering to, champ?
lol @ namedropping me; just tell me when you're done so i can zip my pants back up.
steroids was a problem, but they seem to have gotten past that.
& like Javier said, teams aren't as good as the Yankees or Redsox; & i don't want to be mixing threads and all but...IF my some chance they happened to switch divisions, that would be a slight improvment, no? correct me if i'm wrong & boyyyy, i know you will. ;)
what's the point of having the best & second best (maybe third if you count the Phils) in the same division; Tom, you can relate, you're use to rooting for teams in the cellar; let's hypothetically say you were an Orioles fan, you'd be pissed that you have to play the two best teams 18 times each; that could very well be over 30 losses right there.
just checking, did i take any personal shots there? using derogatory insults to you? just wondering.
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Salary cap won't help. In the NBA, you constantly have the same teams winning the titles. In the NFL, it's really almost always the same teams. There's always a surprising team, but shit there is always a surprising team in MLB to win it all too. The Marlins have done it twice in recent history. The Twins are always in contention and they have one of the smaller budgets. Why? Because their system works amazing. The Rockies have become a threat in recent years, and they're doing it while playing at Coors field with little money too. Of course it will be a bitch when a team like the Red Sox comes along who can spend and knows how to raise young talent. It seems like the Dodgers were heading in that direction with their combination of money and farm system but the stupid divorce is happening.
If anything, I would just like to see NL teams face NL teams only...and not face your own division the most...just play each NL team the same amount of games.
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Salary cap won't help. In the NBA, you constantly have the same teams winning the titles. In the NFL, it's really almost always the same teams. There's always a surprising team, but shit there is always a surprising team in MLB to win it all too. The Marlins have done it twice in recent history. The Twins are always in contention and they have one of the smaller budgets. Why? Because their system works amazing. The Rockies have become a threat in recent years, and they're doing it while playing at Coors field with little money too. Of course it will be a bitch when a team like the Red Sox comes along who can spend and knows how to raise young talent. It seems like the Dodgers were heading in that direction with their combination of money and farm system but the stupid divorce is happening.
If anything, I would just like to see NL teams face NL teams only...and not face your own division the most...just play each NL team the same amount of games.
I disagree with your comparison with NBA and MLB. In the NBA, 1 incredible player can change a franchise. Look and Cleveland. Look at what Durant's done. they have carried their teams, and they were draft picks. Look at what Kobe did for the Lakers. MLB requires many good players to field a good team. So there has to be players picked up outside of your farm/draft to compete at a high level. Sure there are exceptions here and there. But on average you need the best players at almost every position to compete year in year out. Washington will not win this year even thought they drafted one of the best rookies in years. But in the NBA......well just look at Clevland, Thunder, etc...1 player has made the difference.
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Salary cap won't help. In the NBA, you constantly have the same teams winning the titles. In the NFL, it's really almost always the same teams. There's always a surprising team, but shit there is always a surprising team in MLB to win it all too. The Marlins have done it twice in recent history. The Twins are always in contention and they have one of the smaller budgets. Why? Because their system works amazing. The Rockies have become a threat in recent years, and they're doing it while playing at Coors field with little money too. Of course it will be a bitch when a team like the Red Sox comes along who can spend and knows how to raise young talent. It seems like the Dodgers were heading in that direction with their combination of money and farm system but the stupid divorce is happening.
If anything, I would just like to see NL teams face NL teams only...and not face your own division the most...just play each NL team the same amount of games.
I disagree with your comparison with NBA and MLB. In the NBA, 1 incredible player can change a franchise. Look and Cleveland. Look at what Durant's done. they have carried their teams, and they were draft picks. Look at what Kobe did for the Lakers. MLB requires many good players to field a good team. So there has to be players picked up outside of your farm/draft to compete at a high level. Sure there are exceptions here and there. But on average you need the best players at almost every position to compete year in year out. Washington will not win this year even thought they drafted one of the best rookies in years. But in the NBA......well just look at Clevland, Thunder, etc...1 player has made the difference.
My comparison is strictly with how different teams win the the title. People want a salary cap just so that there are more different teams in competition, simply stating that MLB has a good variety of contenders. And I understand that in the NBA, a player can make a bigger impact.
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Cool. I think that a sport that is more like baseball with the team concept is the NFL. There are still some teams that are more competitive year in and year out, but they aren't always big market teams. I really think it's all about ownership, and weather they view their team as an investment, or they pull out all the stops to compete. A high low cap will hopefully allow for a bit more parity.
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
Wow didn't ever see it put out like that. maybe MLB ain't so bad after all lol.
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...The only way to decide this is by winning seasons. Let's take the last nine seasons and see how many teams in each sport has had more winning seasons than losing seasons. In other words how many teams in each sport has finished with a winning record at least five times in the last nine seasons.
Major League Baseball
9 winning seasons - Red Sox, Yankees
8 winning seasons - Cardinals, Dodgers
7 winning seasons - A's, Angels, Astros, Braves, Phillies, Twins, White Sox
6 winning seasons - Diamondbacks, Mets
5 winning seasons - Blue Jays, Cubs, Giants, Mariners
Total - 17
National Basketball Association
9 winning seasons - Spurs, Mavericks
8 winning seasons - Lakers, Pistons
7 winning seasons - Jazz, Rockets, Suns
6 winning seasons - Heat, Kings, Nuggets
5 winning seasons - Cavs, Nets, Timberwolves
Total - 13
National Football League
8 winning seasons - Colts, Patriots
7 winning seasons - Broncos, Eagles, Steelers
6 winning seasons - Buccaneers, Jets, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks
5 winning seasons - Cowboys, Giants, Titans
Total - 13
National Hockey League
9 winning seasons - Avalanche, Devils, Red Wings, Senators, Stars
8 winning seasons - Flyers
6 winning seasons - Blues, Canucks, Capitals, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs, Sharks
5 winning seasons - Ducks
Total - 13
As I said before, each league has a different amount of teams. The NFL has 32 teams meaning that the 13 teams that have more winning seasons than losing seasons is only 40 percent. The NBA and NHL each have 13 teams with more winning seasons than losing seasons but only 30 total teams, making it 43 percent for them. Major League Baseball on the other hand has 30 teams and 17 have more winning seasons than losing seasons, for a percentage of 57 percent.
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
wow & somebody tried to tell me that the NBA playoffs wasn't the most predictable thing in sports lol.
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This goes to show you that management and player development is really what pays off in baseball. Throwing money at a player isn't automatic success. All the sports blogs said that giving Carlos Lee that much money for such a long contract was going to bite the Astros in the ass. And it started to show in the 3rd year with a significant drop in power, and now in 4th year....well I'll just say it's going to keep on getting worse.
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
wow & somebody tried to tell me that the NBA playoffs wasn't the most predictable thing in sports lol.
You have to remember the dynamics of the sport though man. When players are locked up in long term contracts...in a sport where ONE player can turn a team from a bottom dwellar to contendar...shits a little different. You can add ONE player to an NFL or MLB team it wont change THAT much. So say...LeBron for example. Him being a Cav has a much larger impact on the franchise and their success then Pujols being a Cardinal.
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
wow & somebody tried to tell me that the NBA playoffs wasn't the most predictable thing in sports lol.
You have to remember the dynamics of the sport though man. When players are locked up in long term contracts...in a sport where ONE player can turn a team from a bottom dwellar to contendar...shits a little different. You can add ONE player to an NFL or MLB team it wont change THAT much. So say...LeBron for example. Him being a Cav has a much larger impact on the franchise and their success then Pujols being a Cardinal.
that's true; but i don't know, that just takes away from the sport for me.
you can say that mostly it's the same teams in Baseball, but the Yankees aren't guarenteed to make the WS, they get bounced in the first round & stuff; whereas, it's basically a LOCK that the Lakers will find themselves in the Finals & it just hurts the sport.
it's like a lock for the Lakers & a toss up between the Cavs & Magic to meet them there.
anyway, i was comparing the predictability of the NBA Playoffs & March Madness in that thread.
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# of different Champions from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 8
NHL: 8
NFL: 7
NBA: 5
# of different teams making the finals from each sport in the past ten years:
MLB: 14
NFL: 14
NHL: 12
NBA: 11
wow & somebody tried to tell me that the NBA playoffs wasn't the most predictable thing in sports lol.
You have to remember the dynamics of the sport though man. When players are locked up in long term contracts...in a sport where ONE player can turn a team from a bottom dwellar to contendar...shits a little different. You can add ONE player to an NFL or MLB team it wont change THAT much. So say...LeBron for example. Him being a Cav has a much larger impact on the franchise and their success then Pujols being a Cardinal.
that's true; but i don't know, that just takes away from the sport for me.
you can say that mostly it's the same teams in Baseball, but the Yankees aren't guarenteed to make the WS, they get bounced in the first round & stuff; whereas, it's basically a LOCK that the Lakers will find themselves in the Finals & it just hurts the sport.
it's like a lock for the Lakers & a toss up between the Cavs & Magic to meet them there.
anyway, i was comparing the predictability of the NBA Playoffs & March Madness in that thread.
Not really basically a lock for the Lakers. They have gone the last two years and as of now even with the #1 seed in the West, are really probably playing the worst ball out of the playoff teams. But had a little gap before that. Its mainly been the Spurs or Lakers over the last decade for the West. Id be willing to bet if there was no cap tho...Youd have the Lakers with quite a few more championships....and teams like the Knicks would be contenders. Small market teams would really struggle.
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This goes to show you that management and player development is really what pays off in baseball. Throwing money at a player isn't automatic success. All the sports blogs said that giving Carlos Lee that much money for such a long contract was going to bite the Astros in the ass. And it started to show in the 3rd year with a significant drop in power, and now in 4th year....well I'll just say it's going to keep on getting worse.
that's why i couldn't help but root for the Rays in the series a few years back.
that was a cool ass story, but at the same time i remember when the Rays were making that run everybody was like "see you need homegrown talent to win, you can't buy it"; then the Yankees turned around the next season & proved that theory wrong lol.
overall, Baseball is in a good position right now; better than when steroid allegations were controlling the news.
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Baseball is a much more individual sport then others.Games like hockey and basketball and football,chemistry is by far the most important item.Youll often see teams spend big money but be unsuccessful because the team just doesnt gel and work well together.Like say in hockey you cant just stick any center with any wingers,just because their great players doesnt mean they will work well together.Baseball is much more mercenary,it doesnt matter about chemistry because its only one guy pitching and one guy hitting at a time.An individual player can have huge success no matter who his teamates are.Thats why the teams with the big budget are always the teams on top.Of course it doesnt gaurantee a win anything can happen,but you can throw together a bunch of random great players in baseball and be succesfull,not the case with other sports were players have to work as a cohesive unit.
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^maybe Baseball moreso.
but i know if LeBron, Wade & Bosh team up next season, they aren't losing & i know i could assemble a bunch of really good random players & make a winner in the NFL.
i don't know too much about Hockey, but i can see where you need to be on the same page at all times.
even though, wouldn't a national olympic team beat a NHL team 10 times out of 10?
so i guess it's the extent of what kind of talent you're throwing together.
it's just the sport though; in those other sports, you're running plays with one guy to another, Baseball doesn't have schemes & plays like those sports, everybody knows the same basic plays that anybody can do at their given position.