West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jaydc on April 22, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
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Let me guess - the new plan is to find dudes that sound just like other dudes people used to like, with a particular emphasis on the South, because they have no standards. It’s not that they like bad music. Or at least they don’t think they like bad music. But they aren’t as critical of music that’s bad even by typical southern rap standards, because people in the south tend to be more supportive of one another, perhaps because they’re all related.
The late, great Noz, the source of all good ideas on the hip-hop Internets, identified this trend way back when the TIs started pushing that guy Freddie Gibbs, to make it seem as if he was a genuine organic Internets phenomenon. Noz realized right away that Freddie Gibbs is just UGK for people who weren’t cool enough to have listened to UGK the first time around, like Noz did. If they had, they wouldn’t have been nearly as interested in such a pale imitation. Not to incite Noz’s ire (he seems especially prickly these days), but I probably would have realized this myself, if I could say for certain that I’ve ever heard a UGK song in its entirety. One time I downloaded that double album they put out, but I had to cut it off after the first few songs, when it seemed like every song on the album would included a thinly veiled reference to yours truly. It was just too weird. That must be how Kanye’s ex, whom I’d take over Amber Rose, despite her blackness, felt when she listened to 808s & Heartbreak. No homo.
Perhaps the most egregious example of this trend to date is this guy B.O.B., who currently has the number one song in the country, in what would be viewed as vindication for XXL’s silly Freshman 10 issues, if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s essentially a one-man southern rap Black Eyed Peas. Though I give him credits for wearing khaki pants in the video for it (he might follow me on Twitter), that song “Nothing on You” is as gay as a three dollar bill. B.O.B. saw his first single, from his first album, go all the way to number one, a feat that took Jay-Z 61 years and umpteen albums to accomplish, but so did Flo Rida. Who gives a shit? I see B.O.B.’s second single, which entered the charts this week at number 12 and seems destined to also reach the number one spot, features Hayley Williams, the white chick from the band Paramore, the band most famous for being one of the first bands dumb enough to sign one of those 360 deals, back before it was all trendy/required. I shudder to think how it might sound, and you all know how I feel about white chicks: even when they’re wrong, they’re still kinda right.
They play the video “Nothing on You” all the time on Toure’s “Hip Hop Shop,” on Fuse, which plays nothing but the most awful “hip-hop” videos, and then maybe one cool video that I guess they let Toure pick. I’ve seen every episode of it, because I’ve got a little more free time than people who are “traditionally employed,” which is how I’m so familiar with the B.O.B. video. It may have actually been the first song by B.O.B. that I ever heard. I’d heard that he sounds just like Andre 3000, so I’d never bothered to listen to any of his shit, because I didn’t find the prospect of it very tempting. Even the original Andre 3000 I only found brilliant when he was actually brilliant, and not so much on the albums leading up to Stankonia, or the sad garbage that followed. Why would I want to hear an Andre 3000 impersonator? But in “Nothing on You” B.O.B. sounds more like Cee-Lo than Andre 3000. A lot more. I checked just now, and it looks like B.O.B. is capable of sounding just like either of them, depending on what the song requires. He’s “talented” like that.
Say what you will about a guy like B.O.B., there wouldn’t be any use for him, if guys like the original Andre 3000 and Cee-lo hadn’t disappeared up their own assholes. He’s just filling a void in the marketplace. The ideal situation would be if the success of some of these young swagger jackers convinced the people they’re ripping off to get their shit together. Then the probably would pretty much solve itself.
http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=77283
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Whatever lol. B.o.B. is actually musically more talented than Andre anyways. He plays his own instruments and he sings much better than Dre; Dre wishes he could sing like B.o.B. or Cee-Lo for that matter.
B.o.B. is about to drop a GREAT debut album.
B.o.B. only gets compared to Dre 'cause his voice sounds like Dre and his music is "unique" like Dre or OutKast.
for the dubcc idiots: I'm NOT saying B.o.B. is "better" than Dre = Dre is by far the superior rapper, but B.o.B. is MUSICALLY more advanced than Dre.
Just like let's say DJ Premier is a better producer than DJ Quik (opinion) but Quik is superior to Premier MUSICALLY.
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the south tend to be more supportive of one another, perhaps because they’re all related.
LOL! Funny stuff, yeah the South is fuckin up hip-hop for sure!
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Whatever lol. B.o.B. is actually musically more talented than Andre anyways. He plays his own instruments and he sings much better than Dre; Dre wishes he could sing like B.o.B. or Cee-Lo for that matter.
B.o.B. is about to drop a GREAT debut album.
B.o.B. only gets compared to Dre 'cause his voice sounds like Dre and his music is "unique" like Dre or OutKast.
for the dubcc idiots: I'm NOT saying B.o.B. is "better" than Dre = Dre is by far the superior rapper, but B.o.B. is MUSICALLY more advanced than Dre.
Just like let's say DJ Premier is a better producer than DJ Quik (opinion) but Quik is superior to Premier MUSICALLY.
Andre 3000 has played instruments on just about every Outkast song. Hes fluent on the drums, guitar, bass, and keys. He just never performed very much playing instruments. 'Aquemini' is a very musical album.
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^ They are and he is but he just doesn't use it like B.o.B.
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B.o.B might not be better than 3000, but he's putting out new music and the shit is fresh
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B.o.B might not be better than 3000, but he's putting out new music and the shit is fresh
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because people in the south tend to be more supportive of one another, perhaps because they’re all related.
LOL... fucked up
Freddie Gibbs is just UGK for people who weren’t cool enough to have listened to UGK the first time around, like Noz did. If they had, they wouldn’t have been nearly as interested in such a pale imitation. Not to incite Noz’s ire (he seems especially prickly these days), but I probably would have realized this myself, if I could say for certain that I’ve ever heard a UGK song in its entirety. One time I downloaded that double album they put out, but I had to cut it off after the first few songs, when it seemed like every song on the album would included a thinly veiled reference to yours truly. It was just too weird.
Though I give him credits for wearing khaki pants in the video for it (he might follow me on Twitter), that song “Nothing on You” is as gay as a three dollar bill.
LMAO!
if it weren't for these I'd take the article seriously, but a good read anyway 8)
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Whatever lol. B.o.B. is actually musically more talented than Andre anyways. He plays his own instruments and he sings much better than Dre; Dre wishes he could sing like B.o.B. or Cee-Lo for that matter.
B.o.B. is about to drop a GREAT debut album.
B.o.B. only gets compared to Dre 'cause his voice sounds like Dre and his music is "unique" like Dre or OutKast.
for the dubcc idiots: I'm NOT saying B.o.B. is "better" than Dre = Dre is by far the superior rapper, but B.o.B. is MUSICALLY more advanced than Dre.
Just like let's say DJ Premier is a better producer than DJ Quik (opinion) but Quik is superior to Premier MUSICALLY.
haha pump your breaks junior. Dre was basically ET3 himself back in the day, he made craaaaaazy beats, he plays lots of diverse instruments from electric guitar to the clarinet, he can rap circles around damn near anyone, Done multiple classic classic albums, shit I could keep going.
So nah, this cat def ain't more musically advanced than Dre.
And besides, this dude is already biting Dre callin himself B.O.B....Dre already named one of his songs that.
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BOB = Andre 1000
A third of the real thing lol.
Lol Lunatic your love for Grand Hustle making you wild. Andre 3000 helps produce most of Outkast's music. He's much more talented than BOB.
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I've heard 2 songs by B.O.B. which I disliked and he sounded nothing like Andre 3000. If dude is so horrible then how the fuck would he be anything like a dope rapper? smh at retard bloggers who think they know something about hip hop.
Did this dude just call Stankonia the only album 3 Stacks was good on? I don't know, this either sounds like a retard or a guy saying controversial things just so people will pay attention. My guess its the latter.
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Let me guess - the new plan is to find dudes that sound just like other dudes people used to like
This has been happening ever since the begining of music.
Didn't Pun basically follow the same plan?
BoB actually hates being compared to 3K, he hates comparing mc's in general.
THe album was pop shit, and contained allot of his weakest tracks, listen to the bob vs. bobby ray mixtape
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sure b.o.b sings, he raps and he makes his own beats. But no one said he was good at it.
comparing a dude that just came out with his debut album to a veteran in the game is just stupid.
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Andre is a great rapper but why do people act like the double album reinvented the wheel? Andre's part was a feel good pop selection which i didn't find particularly good. Is no one allowed to sing and rap without being derided as an Andre clone? perhaps if bobby ray had made those comparison himself but he hasn't. I have heard the album, sure the first single was incredibly corny but hey ya wasn't? lol that is a rhetorical question of course, but most of the album is pretty good. It is hardly ground breaking but at least it's a refreshing change from a lot of the albums that come out.
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Lol Lunatic your love for Grand Hustle making you wild. Andre 3000 helps produce most of Outkast's music. He's much more talented than BOB.
If u really want to, do your research on here and find my posts - I said B.o.B. was my favorite new rapper before he signed to GH.
I HATE the majority of GH - Spodee, Yung LA, Baby Boy, etc. - Grand Hustle has been signing WACK artists.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ki5Miz21Dos
this is the first song i heard from B.o.B.; pretty dope for me.
it was after this i heard Andre 3000 & B.o.B. put in the same sentence.
i have to admit, i can hear the resemblance; but other than this song, i haven't heard a song where i said, "oh, that sounds like Andre 3000".
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I've heard 2 songs by B.O.B. which I disliked and he sounded nothing like Andre 3000. If dude is so horrible then how the fuck would he be anything like a dope rapper? smh at retard bloggers who think they know something about hip hop.
Did this dude just call Stankonia the only album 3 Stacks was good on? I don't know, this either sounds like a retard or a guy saying controversial things just so people will pay attention. My guess its the latter.
he also said he never heard any UGK albums except for part of the double album that dropped in '07, you should have known right there dude was retarded lol
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Whatever lol. B.o.B. is actually musically more talented than Andre anyways. He plays his own instruments and he sings much better than Dre; Dre wishes he could sing like B.o.B. or Cee-Lo for that matter.
Wow, did not know that. Props to him for self producing and writing a track that made top 40. Unheard of 99% of the time.
BOB = Andre 1000
lol
because people in the south tend to be more supportive of one another, perhaps because they’re all related.
LMAO
LOL! Funny stuff, yeah the South is fuckin up hip-hop for sure!
Faggot, go play with your kid lyin' brian.
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Plain and Simple - B.o.B. is a great artist who is a breathe of fresh air in music and anyone trying to say otherwise is either:
A) a fucking idiot
B) doing it for the shock value
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Or C they just dont like him.
I actually like him,but to put it in those two terms is very stanish.
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Lol at people comparing him to the greatness of Andre 3000. No way!
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Copy's might be good,but never better. thats was up 8)
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I think he sounds more like dude from Field Mob than Andre 3000. Matter of fact, I hear almost no resemblance to Andre 3000. Plus, who cares? I think people sit on their asses on the internet and think up these lame comparisons just to post it and get attention because they're favorite artists are washed up boring and unrelevant.
If the music is good and fresh, listen to it and enjoy it.
If its not your cup of tea, why waste minutes or hours of your life trying to convince other people that it sucks? or act like you're some xxl or rolling stone critic?
B.O.B. is one of the best new artists theres been in a while. Just Get over it.
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Yeah, to say B.O.B is better musically than Andre is also ur opinion.. Don't state it as fact. Dre is very musically talented.. plays guitar, piano etc.. Produces most of his stuff, and even produces for big boi. he produces for other big artists also like Gwen Stefani, Kelis, etc.
Dre's production is ahead of its time also, it maybe too foward for most people, and too different. But I'm glad because it doesn't sound like every other track that is out right now.
That live in the sky song sounds exactly like "The Whole World" which Outkast made like 10 years before. Even his name was an Outkast song lol.. So I don't know exactly how fresh of an artist B.O.B. is.
I'm not hating, because I think he's dope, its not like he's wack.. But he does sound a lil too familiar to Andre too me. But its not just him, its music in general right now. Too much of the same sound, everybody sounds like somebody, its been awhile since I heard a fresh new sound/style. Thats how it used to be back then. Nobody sounded like each other.
But to each his own.. Like the other guy said If u like it, listen to it.. If u don't, then don't. But I don't agree w/ not talking about it.. Thats the point of these message boards.. For us to talk about things, get other peoples opinions and debate. Thats the only reason why were here, besides getting free music lol!
I don't really listen to B.O.B, but if u do then thats u.. I'm not gonna try to convince u to stop.
I do find it funny that people say Andre3000 is "washed up boring and unrelevant" Why? Cuz he hasn't been out for awhile? His last album was Grammy album of the year.. went DIAMOND! How many rappers can say that? And Andre's last album didn't re-invent the wheel, but it did go over alot of people's heads. It was a concept album, it had a story from the intro to the last song in sequential order including all the skits. But for people who didn't take the time to understand, it still on the surface had feel good/poppy songs. Even songs like "hey ya" which was one of the biggest pop songs of the year, but it was very deep lyrically.. but even Dre knew it wasn't gonna be understood. In the song he says, "Yall don't wanna hear me, you just wanna dance".
I'm SMH at the guy who wrote the article and said He wasn't dope until Stankonia, and has been garbage since! lol. Must have never heard ATLiens, Aquemini, or even his stuff on Idlewild.
And I'd much rather wait on him to perfect his next album, he's got classics under his belt and if it takes him 1 - 2 years to finish, then I'll wait.. Cuz I know when it comes out it'll be a classic. I'm into timeless music, not something an artist puts out every year, so I can play because its new and hot for 1-2 months and never listen to again.
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Copy's might be good,but never better. thats was up 8)
Music is subjective so you're wrong.