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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on April 22, 2010, 09:58:06 PM
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denver sucks
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for real im still shocked mccoy or clausen didnt get drafted in the first round after all the hype they showed a poll that said kyle orton is still denvers best QB he got like 50% of the votes tebow and quinn were bout the same like 20%ish they should stick wit orton use tebow in some kinda wildcat situation
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Clausen or McCoy wouldn't mean anything for Denver, so if Denver was going to draft a QB in round 1 Tebow was the guy. Quinn in college was better than Colt and Clausen, and he knows the system already. If Orton doesn't pan out Quinn is a better fit than those two, but Tebow brings a big wildcard factor to the game and is the ultimate wildcat QB. Denver already used the formation last year slipping Orton out wide and running the ball. Now they can do exactly what Philly was doing with Vick last year and threat run and pass.
Ultimately though I think McDaniels thinks he can make a star out of this kid and that's why he drafted him. Time will tell. But I'm willing to get there will be a bigger bust in the to 25 this year than Tebow will end up being.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
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lol seriously. Especially cus the Broncos took Tebow. Moving up is great...but they clearly wasted it. If the Ravens WANTED to draft a QB (which they wont), they could POSSIBLY get a better QB at 43 in Clausen or McCoy then the Broncos got with Tebow lol. I dont think those two will still be there at 43...but anything possible. Clausen wont make it past Oakland...and theres a good chance KC will pick him up before Oakland can anyways (unless we trade up). Im all for drafting a guy with a good attitude....but damn....why give up those picks, move up and draft him at a spot where no one else was going to anyways?
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
Right now I would too. But coming out of the 6th round and showing me nothing special in college I'd pick a rookie Tebow over a rookie Brady and a rookie Cassel, and McDaniels has sown he can do a loy with a QB and an offense.
It's easy to look at Brady now and laugh at Tebow even being mentioned with him, but he's a better QB now than Brady was in 2000.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
Right now I would too. But coming out of the 6th round and showing me nothing special in college I'd pick a rookie Tebow over a rookie Brady and a rookie Cassel, and McDaniels has sown he can do a loy with a QB and an offense.
It's easy to look at Brady now and laugh at Tebow even being mentioned with him, but he's a better QB now than Brady was in 2000.
The draft is always somewhat of a roll of the dice and obviously Quarterbacks are no exception. I like Tebows attitude, but the pick was still stupid. If they really just fell in love with Tebow for whatever reason...great. But they could have kept their other picks that they traded away to move UP...and still got him in the second round. No one else was gonna draft him ahead of Clausen or even Colt.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
You CLEARLY missed the point of his post LOL
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it's a joke to even compare the two.
Brady has all the skill set; Tebow is a scrambler, there is doubt about him being a "pocket QB" & he changed his entire throwing motion just a few months ago; the NFL is throwing him a bone for being such a good College player & being the poster boy of Football for the past few years.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
You CLEARLY missed the point of his post LOL
not really
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
You CLEARLY missed the point of his post LOL
not really
you really didn't lol.
putting Tom Brady & Tim Tebow in the same sentence is so absurd, i'm just going to disregard it lol.
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Tim Tebow is garbage.
So is Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be turned into a winning QB with the right system.
ummm...hmmm...
Brady....Tebow....Brady....Tebow.....
Im gonna go with Brady.
You CLEARLY missed the point of his post LOL
not really
you really didn't lol.
putting Tom Brady & Tim Tebow in the same sentence is so absurd, i'm just going to disregard it lol.
I understand what he was saying as far as Brady not being looked at as an amazing QB coming out of college..and turning into a HOF'er. And thats true. But there also wasnt as much doubt surrounding him either. Not to mention, to expect that anyone else out there who is questionable at best at QB is going to turn into Brady is kind of silly. What he became isnt exactly the norm lol. You wouldnt say "This guy is is the #3 pick in the NBA draft....2 guys are seen as being better then him....the same thing happen to Jordan....so this guy might be like Jordan" lol You can make the comparison...and 99.99% of the time you will be completely wrong. Tebow wont be Brady.
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^any opening for Shallow to crack Brady in the jaw with a quick one, the jab will be thrown. :P
he knows his shit, i'll give him that; but sometimes you have to just ignore the absurd biased comments.
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I'm not saying he'll become Tom Brady. His best comparison to a QB is a young Steve Young or Doug Flutie. People forget that the Niners Steve Young and the Bucs Steve Young were two different players.
What I'm saying is that Josh McDaniels thinks he can turn him into Tom Brady. He's got an ego. I'm not sure how Quinn will play out but I'd take Tebow over Orton any day of the week. And I also think Tebow in Chicago would do better than Orton did. So was it a good draft move? Maybe not, but maybe McDaniels heard in the wind that someone was going to grab him before his second round pick. I don't know, and I don't know if Tebow will even end up with a career comparable to one tenth of Brady's, or even Flutie's for that matter, but I do think McDaniels thinks so.
It's funny how when I bash Brady for being lucky for being on a winning team I'm a hater, but what Tebow has done in college is more impressive than any other QB ever maybe. In the Heisman race every year, national championships, bowl wins. And everyone says it's the reason of everyone on that team but him.
I'm the QBs don't win games guy, not you guys. Be consistent. Tom Brady fans should love Tebow.
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I'm not saying he'll become Tom Brady. His best comparison to a QB is a young Steve Young or Doug Flutie. People forget that the Niners Steve Young and the Bucs Steve Young were two different players.
What I'm saying is that Josh McDaniels thinks he can turn him into Tom Brady. He's got an ego. I'm not sure how Quinn will play out but I'd take Tebow over Orton any day of the week. And I also think Tebow in Chicago would do better than Orton did. So was it a good draft move? Maybe not, but maybe McDaniels heard in the wind that someone was going to grab him before his second round pick. I don't know, and I don't know if Tebow will even end up with a career comparable to one tenth of Brady's, or even Flutie's for that matter, but I do think McDaniels thinks so.
It's funny how when I bash Brady for being lucky for being on a winning team I'm a hater, but what Tebow has done in college is more impressive than any other QB ever maybe. In the Heisman race every year, national championships, bowl wins. And everyone says it's the reason of everyone on that team but him.
I'm the QBs don't win games guy, not you guys. Be consistent. Tom Brady fans should love Tebow.
Heres the thing about me tho. Im nowhere NEAR a Tom Brady fan. Ive always felt he was overrated. But if you believe there is a chance he could ever be on Tom Brady's level. Scratch that, say Steve Young. Then you also have to assume there is a chance he ends up Kyle Orton. Id say he is closer to becoming a Kyle Orton then ever being a Steve Young. As a matter of fact, my team needs a starting QB. And without a doubt I would take Orton over Tebow. And Orton sucks lol. But Tebow to me is more a PR move then a legitimate savior in Denver. Its like drafting Rudy.
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I'm not saying he'll become Tom Brady. His best comparison to a QB is a young Steve Young or Doug Flutie. People forget that the Niners Steve Young and the Bucs Steve Young were two different players.
What I'm saying is that Josh McDaniels thinks he can turn him into Tom Brady. He's got an ego. I'm not sure how Quinn will play out but I'd take Tebow over Orton any day of the week. And I also think Tebow in Chicago would do better than Orton did. So was it a good draft move? Maybe not, but maybe McDaniels heard in the wind that someone was going to grab him before his second round pick. I don't know, and I don't know if Tebow will even end up with a career comparable to one tenth of Brady's, or even Flutie's for that matter, but I do think McDaniels thinks so.
It's funny how when I bash Brady for being lucky for being on a winning team I'm a hater, but what Tebow has done in college is more impressive than any other QB ever maybe. In the Heisman race every year, national championships, bowl wins. And everyone says it's the reason of everyone on that team but him.
I'm the QBs don't win games guy, not you guys. Be consistent. Tom Brady fans should love Tebow.
Heres the thing about me tho. Im nowhere NEAR a Tom Brady fan. Ive always felt he was overrated. But if you believe there is a chance he could ever be on Tom Brady's level. Scratch that, say Steve Young. Then you also have to assume there is a chance he ends up Kyle Orton. Id say he is closer to becoming a Kyle Orton then ever being a Steve Young. As a matter of fact, my team needs a starting QB. And without a doubt I would take Orton over Tebow. And Orton sucks lol. But Tebow to me is more a PR move then a legitimate savior in Denver. Its like drafting Rudy.
He can be what Steve Young was in Tampa no problem.
And I never said Tebow could end up like Tom Brady. I said McDaniels thinks he can do it with Tebow. The odds of anyone reaching the levels of Brady or Young are slim, always. I don't even know if he'd be a remote success in the NFL, but his best chance will be with McDaniels, who is busy drafting WRs to help out his team right now.
The comparison to Brady was simple. They are both winners because of the system and team they are on, Brady in the NFL, Tebow in college, but when you doubt one winner you're a hater, and when you don't doubt the other winner you're an idiot.
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^but you're fronting like Brady has ZERO talent, bad at every aspect of the game.
& as for Tebow at Florida, he just played his part & he was a winner.
Tom Brady makes passes & you say "anyone can punt it to Moss"; Tom makes 40+ passes a game & Tebow makes like 15 lol.
if Tim Tebow can throw 30+ passes a game & be successful, i will take back everything i've ever said about him.
Denver should of taken Jimmy Clausen. if you're "so positive" that it's the schemeing that wins, you might as well get a QB that can throw the ball when called upon.
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I'm not saying he'll become Tom Brady. His best comparison to a QB is a young Steve Young or Doug Flutie. People forget that the Niners Steve Young and the Bucs Steve Young were two different players.
What I'm saying is that Josh McDaniels thinks he can turn him into Tom Brady. He's got an ego. I'm not sure how Quinn will play out but I'd take Tebow over Orton any day of the week. And I also think Tebow in Chicago would do better than Orton did. So was it a good draft move? Maybe not, but maybe McDaniels heard in the wind that someone was going to grab him before his second round pick. I don't know, and I don't know if Tebow will even end up with a career comparable to one tenth of Brady's, or even Flutie's for that matter, but I do think McDaniels thinks so.
It's funny how when I bash Brady for being lucky for being on a winning team I'm a hater, but what Tebow has done in college is more impressive than any other QB ever maybe. In the Heisman race every year, national championships, bowl wins. And everyone says it's the reason of everyone on that team but him.
I'm the QBs don't win games guy, not you guys. Be consistent. Tom Brady fans should love Tebow.
Heres the thing about me tho. Im nowhere NEAR a Tom Brady fan. Ive always felt he was overrated. But if you believe there is a chance he could ever be on Tom Brady's level. Scratch that, say Steve Young. Then you also have to assume there is a chance he ends up Kyle Orton. Id say he is closer to becoming a Kyle Orton then ever being a Steve Young. As a matter of fact, my team needs a starting QB. And without a doubt I would take Orton over Tebow. And Orton sucks lol. But Tebow to me is more a PR move then a legitimate savior in Denver. Its like drafting Rudy.
He can be what Steve Young was in Tampa no problem.
And I never said Tebow could end up like Tom Brady. I said McDaniels thinks he can do it with Tebow. The odds of anyone reaching the levels of Brady or Young are slim, always. I don't even know if he'd be a remote success in the NFL, but his best chance will be with McDaniels, who is busy drafting WRs to help out his team right now.
The comparison to Brady was simple. They are both winners because of the system and team they are on, Brady in the NFL, Tebow in college, but when you doubt one winner you're a hater, and when you don't doubt the other winner you're an idiot.
I agree about the winner part. But you know yourself when Brady hit the league he didnt go through this very publicized makeover of his throwing motion. For a QB to decide coming INTO the pros that their throwing motion needs to be changed is pretty scary. I would never wanna risk a pick in the top 2 rounds even on a QB at that stage. Thats some shit you work out before college.
Anyways, the pick was still stupid lol. It was just TOO early. And for Tebow, Denver isnt the ideal situation IMO. He would have been better suited going to a team with a solid veteran QB that he could sit behind and learn from for a couple years before even a hint of playing him was suggested. Behind Brady would have been good actually lol There would be absolutely no pressure to get him on the field. He could just work on his mechanics, learn the pro game...and hopefully one day be worth starting. In Denver...there will be pressure to get him on the field.
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^but you're fronting like Brady has ZERO talent, bad at every aspect of the game.
& as for Tebow at Florida, he just played his part & he was a winner.
Tom Brady makes passes & you say "anyone can punt it to Moss"; Tom makes 40+ passes a game & Tebow makes like 15 lol.
if Tim Tebow can throw 30+ passes a game & be successful, i will take back everything i've ever said about him.
Denver should of taken Jimmy Clausen. if you're "so positive" that it's the schemeing that wins, you might as well get a QB that can throw the ball when called upon.
"he just played his part & he was a winner." Who have I been saying that about the past 5 years? Whatever talent I won't admit Brady has you aren't admitting Tebow has.
Tebow can learn to throw 40+ passes when 35 of them are under 5 yards.
And taking Clausen would have been stupid. Quinn was the exact same QB as Clausen at Notre Dame except he was better than Clausen.
What they get with Tebow is a first year Wildcat player at the least. And I garauntee in te McDaniels system he'll be throwing the ball 30 times. Look at Orton and how his number changed when he went to McDaniels. he threw the ball 25% more than the year before and his completion percentage went up a few points, and he was one missed game shy of 4000 yards after never being able to break 3000 before. With McDaniels and all these new tall WRs being drafted it's just that I think Tebow could be a successful NFL QB in a couple years, it's that I think any drafted QB could be a successful NFL QB in a couple of years.
Every QB ever drafted has talent up the wazoo. The difference for most is where they end up. I don't believe a guy who has been a great at a position his whole life all of a sudden starts to suck in the NFL, unless the system he's on sucks too.
If Tebow had been picked up by the Raiders I'd say he'd amount to nothing, no matter what, or if he was on last year's Bills he'd be a joke. But in Denver sitting on the bench and playing wild horse for a few plays a game I feel he'll be game ready by years 2, unless Quinn takes off like a rocket next year and they decide to trade Tebow.
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they sayin how he fits good wit josh mcdaniels system and how hes a 2 or 3 year project
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they sayin how he fits good wit josh mcdaniels system and how hes a 2 or 3 year project
and they sayin exactly what I'm saying.
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you want to look at Orton? look at Orton & tell me how he did in the Playoffs last season with the current highest paid WR in the game.
Kyle Orton is better than Tim Tebow & that's not saying much; but it didn't matter who the Bronocos drafted, you were going to make the comparison to Brady regardless lol.
if Tim Tebow throws 30 TDs, fuck it, 20 TDs in a season, let alone 50, i'll be impressed.
& my personal favorite, "it's the system he's in", "it's the coaching he's getting", "it's the playcalling", "it's the system", "the system", "the system" & then a quick turnaround, "it's Peyton", "it's all Peyton", "INT? WR's fault", "they won more games in a row than any other team, but lost in the Superbowl; defenses fault". :laugh:
they sayin how he fits good wit josh mcdaniels system and how hes a 2 or 3 year project
and they sayin exactly what I'm saying.
what are you saying? because i'm hearing, the system is so easy a caveman can do it; but since Tim won't be starting ahead of Orton or Quinn, why would two more accurate throwers fail in this "fool's proof" system?
i don't even see how Tim could be touching the field unless he was called in for a quick wildcat-ish formation to gain 3 yards & then sit his ass back down on the bench.
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you want to look at Orton? look at Orton & tell me how he did in the Playoffs last season with the current highest paid WR in the game.
Kyle Orton is better than Tim Tebow & that's not saying much; but it didn't matter who the Bronocos drafted, you were going to make the comparison to Brady regardless lol.
if Tim Tebow throws 30 TDs, fuck it, 20 TDs in a season, let alone 50, i'll be impressed.
& my personal favorite, "it's the system he's in", "it's the coaching he's getting", "it's the playcalling", "it's the system", "the system", "the system" & then a quick turnaround, "it's Peyton", "it's all Peyton", "INT? WR's fault", "they won more games in a row than any other team, but lost in the Superbowl; defenses fault". :laugh:
they sayin how he fits good wit josh mcdaniels system and how hes a 2 or 3 year project
and they sayin exactly what I'm saying.
what are you saying? because i'm hearing, the system is so easy a caveman can do it; but since Tim won't be starting ahead of Orton or Quinn, why would two more accurate throwers fail in this "fool's proof" system?
i don't even see how Tim could be touching the field unless he was called in for a quick wildcat-ish formation to gain 3 yards & then sit his ass back down on the bench.
I can't imagine Orton doing worse in last year's playoffs than Brady did. But he did get to the point where they missed him when he was injured, and a few tough losses kept them out of the playoffs last year. And this was in the first year of the system for Orton. He needed some time. But of course all I said was how much better he got in the new system. The QB can never win the game.
It's simple, when a mediocre QB does great it's the system, when a mediocre system does great it's the QB. How is that hard to understand? What is so special about the Colts system? Run your routes on time and wait for Peyton to put it in your hands, whether in coverage or not. No fancy blocking screen plays, no power run, or big run. The whole thing is rested on a QB that is supposed to be God, and he's not. God would have kept Garcon and Reggie from dropping crucial balls.
Look, I never called the dude perfect. There were two key moments in that game where Peyton messed up. The first was the 3rd and 11 and the second was calling that first TO at the end of the game. He knew he messed up right after both plays. But like I said, even a perfect game by him would have changed the outcome. If he sees the jump and throws the ball away it's 4th down and another 50 yard FG attempt for 65 year old Matt Stover. And if he doesn't call that TO, that's ok because #1 WR Reggie Wayne doesn't like getting hit after catching a ball so much he decides to drop it in the endzone.
So that's two mistakes for Manning against a hungry D playing with fire. Reggie's two mistakes wouldn't have changed the outcome either, and same goes for Garcon's dropped pass. This game was lost the second Caldwell benched Manning in week 16. He showed us what kind of coach and man he was; a nice guy who is very careful about risking too much. And guys like that only win when they get lucky. And while the Colts get lucky way too often, they don't get lucky often enough.
Of course this whole thing is Peyton's fault. He's decided to stick around and put up with rotating o-lines, second rate rookie WRs, half assed defenses relying on teams to play come from behind. In his 12 seasons the Colt's have made the playoffs 10 times. That's ten more than they would have with out him. And this is coming from the guy that PREDICTED 11 wins with Matt Cassel in 08 when everyone laughed at me. Peyton should go to a team that cares about beating the shit out of an opponent, not trying to squeeze out a win.
And stop with that 50 shit. Brady is Roger Maris. Peyton is Babe Ruth. It was a lucky year against some very shitty defenses. Best QB season ever is still 04. 100 more attempts to get one more TD. Big deal.
As for how Tebow will get the start if the two above him will be doing great in the new system; well one of the two is going at the end of the season regardless. So that'll leave Tebow the #2 for '11. And I'm not even sure he'll even get the shot at #1. I said there is a chance Quinn lights it up. He showed me something in Notre Dame, and that might come back. Orton showed me nothing, ever, and he's out at the end of the season as far as I'm concerned. But Tebow could simply work harder than the two and with Nolan in Miami that defense might not save them a game or two and if they come out weak people will want to see him start by year 2.
Here's my prediction right now for the next two seasons, barring a lockout. Denver makes the playoffs this year by winning the division. They go 10-6 or 11-5. Maybe the whole way with Orton, maybe not. But Tebow doesn't start a game. The year after the Chiefs make their big run and win the division and Denver near the end of the season realizing they're out decide to start playing Tebow more often. A lot of this depends on how well Quinn can step up and how good that D will be, but by year three, by the simple will of McDaniels, Tebow will be starting at least a few games.
I think SD is on the way out and KC is about to make a jump. And in between that Denver will luck out for one season. What happens after that I don't know.
This all comes true and I want a video of you jerking off to a picture of Manning on youporn.
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^whoa, whoa, easy Cowboy; i wasn't comparing Peyton's '04 to Brady's '07, i was comparing Brady's '07 (just for you, i'll say the "second best" QB season) compared to Tim Tebow, who will never throw 20 touchdowns in a single season.
& i understand, you like to fall off into tangents, but let's just stick to what you originally said about Tim Tebow being AS successful as Tom Brady.
if you're SERIOUSLY going to tell me an overrated college star, with much less of a pocket package as Brady (less accurate, weaker arm), with a much worse team than Brady (after all, even though certain players get a mystery pass; it is a team sport right? ;)), i'm talking worse in just about every aspect of the team, who you just ADMITTED may NEVER even get the chance to be a starting QB can be AS SUCCESSFUL 3 time Super Bowl winning QB who holds the record for most TD's in a single season; i don't know if i'll ever listen to a word you say again lol.
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^whoa, whoa, easy Cowboy; i wasn't comparing Peyton's '04 to Brady's '07, i was comparing Brady's '07 (just for you, i'll say the "second best" QB season) compared to Tim Tebow, who will never throw 20 touchdowns in a single season.
& i understand, you like to fall off into tangents, but let's just stick to what you originally said about Tim Tebow being AS successful as Tom Brady.
if you're SERIOUSLY going to tell me an overrated college star, with much less of a pocket package as Brady (less accurate, weaker arm), with a much worse team than Brady (after all, even though certain players get a mystery pass; it is a team sport right? ;)), i'm talking worse in just about every aspect of the team, who you just ADMITTED may NEVER even get the chance to be a starting QB can be AS SUCCESSFUL 3 time Super Bowl winning QB who holds the record for most TD's in a single season; i don't know if i'll ever listen to a word you say again lol.
The second best season was Marino when he threw 48 and 5000 yards in '84.
Anyway; I never said Tebow would be as successful in the NFL. I said league for league, the college success of Tim Tebow is as good as the NFL success of any QB. Does that mean it'll translate over? Of course not. It was said in response to Brady fans that think wins are the most important thing.
But you like Brady's 07 and 50 TDs. How about Tebow's 07? In 13 games in 07 Tebow passed for 3300 yards and scored 55 touchdowns, 32 in the air and 23 on the ground, and only threw 6 interceptions. And another 900 yards rushing. All this in 13 games.
So who had the better 07 statistically?
You make Tebow seem like some junk player and that the team wins despite of him. His numbers are there. His success is there. There's no reason for a Tom Brady fan to dislike Tim Tebow. I just don't get why you do.
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they sayin how he fits good wit josh mcdaniels system and how hes a 2 or 3 year project
and they sayin exactly what I'm saying.
He is a 2 or 3 year project which makes him a bad fit in Denver. Again, he would be a better fit on a team that has an older established vet who Tebow could sit behind...learn from...and MAYBE improve enough to eventually replace them. Not a team that is struggling with its identity at QB right NOW. Like I said before, backing up Brady...McNabb...Manning...Favre...etc, would be great for him. There would be no pressure for him to be on the field...by the fans. But in Denver, the minute their current QB (whichever one they go with) struggles...there will be calls for Tebow to get on the field. And he obviously is NOT ready for that.
As far as "they". Most of the media will continue to try and build up Tebow the best they can. Tebow is a huge draw whether he is good or he sucks. So the media WANTS that story. You think the media was doing backflips when he got drafted in the first round? lol.
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
are u talkin to me? lol cus I dont think Tebow is gonna be shit...
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lol, na.
when i put the "^", i didn't see you had posted after Shallow. :P
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
I don't even believe Brady and Tebow are in the same boat, so I don't see why I would try convincing anyone else. I like Tebow, the image, and I'll cheer for him to succeed but by no means do I expect him to be even half of what he was in college. And I don't expect 3 rings. I expect he same number of rings Brady would have if he had been on Denver this whole time. Can you say Brian Griese? because that is a QB directly comparable to Tom Brady, who when in the same system outplayed Brady all day. But when going to a team with no defense suffered big time.
And rag on the college defenses all you want, but he consistently did things no other QB was doing at that level, and yes his single season performance in 2007 was the best season by a football player, not just QB, in history, Peyton Manning 04 included. There is a video of his 51 regular season TDs on youtube. Quite a few of those are very impressive, especially the up the middle runs.
Josh McDaniels can run the spread too. He did it very well in 07, and if you look at the receivers he's drafting they are getting taller and faster. He has a vision in mind to create a new offense and Tebow will be the corner stone. We can debate how good Brady's arm and decision making is all day but one thing we cannot debate between is their legs. I fully expect McDaniels to have a plan to incorporate the run into the spread offense he's building. This will be a modified full time wild cat offense with Tebow playing all three positions at some point. If the defenses figure it out and stop it Tebow is done, or if he gets injured. But the next two or three years will be interesting. Josh McDaniels is looking to make a statement on the history of the NFL, and that's why he bet the farm on this kid. I'm not saying it'll work. I'm saying it'll be fun to watch. He thinks he sees what Walsh saw in Steve Young. Time will tell. And before you idiots laugh I'M NOT PREDICTING HE'LL BE STEVE YOUNG. I'M SAYING MCDANIELS IS HOPING HE WILL BE
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
I'M NOT PREDICTING HE'LL BE STEVE YOUNG. I'M SAYING MCDANIELS IS HOPING HE WILL BE
You might be right. What Im saying is that him and the Broncos are still stupid for the pick. Its a guy who wasnt gonna go before their next pick. And they traded away that pick and others...just to move up and take him lol THAT...is stupid. Shit, McCoy didnt go until the third round and NO one had Tebow rated higher than McCoy...and definetely not higher than Clausen. They could have kept their picks, and still got Tebow if they really wanted him. Just cause Mcdaniels is HOPING he will another Steve Young doesnt make the pick a smart one. Im sure Al Davis thought Hayward-Bey was gonna be another Tim brown. Still a stupid pick so early in that draft.
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^why on Earth would you root for him to succeed in the very system that drove you into a deep, obsessive hatred of Tom Brady? :D
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^why on Earth would you root for him to succeed in the very system that drove you into a deep, obsessive hatred of Tom Brady? :D
you need to get it together buddy lol I wanna see him spiral into life of alcohol, drugs and hookers.
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
I'M NOT PREDICTING HE'LL BE STEVE YOUNG. I'M SAYING MCDANIELS IS HOPING HE WILL BE
You might be right. What Im saying is that him and the Broncos are still stupid for the pick. Its a guy who wasnt gonna go before their next pick. And they traded away that pick and others...just to move up and take him lol THAT...is stupid. Shit, McCoy didnt go until the third round and NO one had Tebow rated higher than McCoy...and definetely not higher than Clausen. They could have kept their picks, and still got Tebow if they really wanted him. Just cause Mcdaniels is HOPING he will another Steve Young doesnt make the pick a smart one. Im sure Al Davis thought Hayward-Bey was gonna be another Tim brown. Still a stupid pick so early in that draft.
I don't know what Josh McDaniels knows, or why he made the pick. Don't see why you're calling Tebow stupid for the pick though. What should he have done, turned it down?
I do think that McDaniels thought the Pats were going to grab him at 29, and I do think Belichick is the type to start a rumor like that in the McDaniels circles. And to be honest they may very well have taken him at 29. They got a CB instead and the Pats defensive problems aren't lack of youth so Tebow as a 4 year project might have been better than what they did. Whatever it was, it was enough to make McDaniels take a risk. Maybe it was just another bold bonehead move by McDaniels. He's had his share since he got to Denver.
Of course I never hailed the pick or the decision, so I don't know why you're getting on my case for doign what I never did.
^why on Earth would you root for him to succeed in the very system that drove you into a deep, obsessive hatred of Tom Brady? :D
Because it helps prove my theory, if only to you. If guaranteed NFL bust like Tim Tebow becomes a star NFL QB in that system, then you'll say if he went anywhere else he'd be a bust, and then I'd say EXACTLY.
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^why would i say if he went anywhere else?
your logic is completely flawed lol.
if better QB's have already failed, what makes you think someone worse, whose being thrown a bone for being such an icon in the College game for the past few years will be some star? lmfao.
part of me (the smallest imaginable) kind of wants him to be awesome to hear people compare him to Peyton & then listen to you shit on him for the rest of his career. :laugh:
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^why would i say if he went anywhere else?
your logic is completely flawed lol.
if better QB's have already failed, what makes you think someone worse, whose being thrown a bone for being such an icon in the College game for the past few years will be some star? lmfao.
part of me (the smallest imaginable) kind of wants him to be awesome to hear people compare him to Peyton & then listen to you shit on him for the rest of his career. :laugh:
What better QB has failed? You call Orton having his career year in his first year in a new system and being a couple plays and a small injury away from a wildcard a failure? Denver wasn't supposed to win 5 games last year. They won 8, and at least two of those losses were last minute scores by the other team.
Of course we aren't talking about wins. We're talking about player stats. NE didn't win all those games in those SB seasons because of just the EP offense. They won it because of Belichick, Crennel, and Mangini orchestrating the best defense of the decade. The Pats didn't beat the Colts those two years in New England because Brady was so good Manning couldn't handle being on the same field. It was the NE defense that shut down the 04 Colts and kept them to 3 points in the playoffs. And the Boston snow sure helped.
I don't expect the Broncos to go to the Superbowl even if Manning went there, unless they can build a defense worthy of a superbowl. I want Tebow to look like a star. He doesn't have to win rings to shut you up. He just needs 20 TDs, and that'll be easy. Wait and see.
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
I'M NOT PREDICTING HE'LL BE STEVE YOUNG. I'M SAYING MCDANIELS IS HOPING HE WILL BE
You might be right. What Im saying is that him and the Broncos are still stupid for the pick. Its a guy who wasnt gonna go before their next pick. And they traded away that pick and others...just to move up and take him lol THAT...is stupid. Shit, McCoy didnt go until the third round and NO one had Tebow rated higher than McCoy...and definetely not higher than Clausen. They could have kept their picks, and still got Tebow if they really wanted him. Just cause Mcdaniels is HOPING he will another Steve Young doesnt make the pick a smart one. Im sure Al Davis thought Hayward-Bey was gonna be another Tim brown. Still a stupid pick so early in that draft.
I don't know what Josh McDaniels knows, or why he made the pick. Don't see why you're calling Tebow stupid for the pick though. What should he have done, turned it down?
I do think that McDaniels thought the Pats were going to grab him at 29, and I do think Belichick is the type to start a rumor like that in the McDaniels circles. And to be honest they may very well have taken him at 29. They got a CB instead and the Pats defensive problems aren't lack of youth so Tebow as a 4 year project might have been better than what they did. Whatever it was, it was enough to make McDaniels take a risk. Maybe it was just another bold bonehead move by McDaniels. He's had his share since he got to Denver.
Of course I never hailed the pick or the decision, so I don't know why you're getting on my case for doign what I never did.
Not calling Tebow stupid. When I said "him and the Broncos" I was referring to Mcdaniels and the Broncos.
And Im not getting on your case, just explaining what I was saying about the pick.
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^wins are the most important thing lol & he won't get them lol.
& if you're going to compare the half ass defenses he faced in college, with 90% of the people on the field not good enough for the NFL to Brady scoring on NFL defenses, i just don't get you lol.
Tim Tebow ran a trick play offense against the future carpenters & doctors, where Urban Meyers set up plays just to get Tebow involved in the score.
but just for your sake, let's look at that season; pretty much better than Peyton's '04 too; i guess we have a future Peyton Manning on our hands.
Tebow was the Tyler Hansborough of College Football, everybody knows that he won't be shit in the NFL, but he was the poster boy of the NCAA, setting a good example for kids; showing "what it's all about"; leaderships & playing all out every week.
look, i get it, if you can somehow make people believe Tebow & Brady are in the same boat, it will be a major accomplishment for you & your deep hatred for Thomas; so by all means make the attempts.
I'M NOT PREDICTING HE'LL BE STEVE YOUNG. I'M SAYING MCDANIELS IS HOPING HE WILL BE
You might be right. What Im saying is that him and the Broncos are still stupid for the pick. Its a guy who wasnt gonna go before their next pick. And they traded away that pick and others...just to move up and take him lol THAT...is stupid. Shit, McCoy didnt go until the third round and NO one had Tebow rated higher than McCoy...and definetely not higher than Clausen. They could have kept their picks, and still got Tebow if they really wanted him. Just cause Mcdaniels is HOPING he will another Steve Young doesnt make the pick a smart one. Im sure Al Davis thought Hayward-Bey was gonna be another Tim brown. Still a stupid pick so early in that draft.
I don't know what Josh McDaniels knows, or why he made the pick. Don't see why you're calling Tebow stupid for the pick though. What should he have done, turned it down?
I do think that McDaniels thought the Pats were going to grab him at 29, and I do think Belichick is the type to start a rumor like that in the McDaniels circles. And to be honest they may very well have taken him at 29. They got a CB instead and the Pats defensive problems aren't lack of youth so Tebow as a 4 year project might have been better than what they did. Whatever it was, it was enough to make McDaniels take a risk. Maybe it was just another bold bonehead move by McDaniels. He's had his share since he got to Denver.
Of course I never hailed the pick or the decision, so I don't know why you're getting on my case for doign what I never did.
Not calling Tebow stupid. When I said "him and the Broncos" I was referring to Mcdaniels and the Broncos.
And Im not getting on your case, just explaining what I was saying about the pick.
My bad. I only like the pick because I don't think Tebow is a natural choice to be a success in the NFL. But if a proven failure in the NFL like Kyle Orton can get to 4000 yards and over 20 TDs, and the supposed NFL bust Tim Tebow can too, I just need one more piece to the puzzle; Brady being traded and stinking it up with out a fail safe to fall back on, while my boy Peyton is still ripping it up.
All of this is about one thing; shutting up the fans of Tom Brady. People think it's about Brady himself. It's not. If I met the guy I'd gladly shake his hand and be polite. Key word is gladly. Unless he started bragging about himself I'd be fine. But the Tom Brady fan is what I hate the most. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I argue with them.
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^ripping it up until it counts. ;)
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^ripping it up until it counts. ;)
Maybe for the Colts WRs, but when the QB puts it right where the hands are, or where the hands are supposed to be, there's nothing more he can do. Montana's most famous play is called "The Catch", not the throw, or the cool decision, because the WR has to make the play happen too. And as far as people think Peyton has dropped in big games, the people around him have dropped a lot farther.
Just name me one loss in Colts playoff history where the team showed up and Peyton let them down. Just one, and I'll shut up forever. They drafted all defense this year in the early rounds and only drafted one skill player for offense in round, and thankfully he's a big boy for a tight end. And these idiot analysts have been ragging the Colts for picking too many 1st and and 2nd rounders to suit Peyton and make him look good. Even when most of the first three rounds of the last ten years have been defense and o-line and those are the two aspects the Colts always have trouble with. 2nd and inches and two up the middle run plays can't get the job done. What a joke.
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^it's not a ridiculous logic or anything.
the Colts were the most winning NFL franchise in the last decade, but they could only win once; regular season games are no different than playoff games, except added pressure.
i say it all the time, you can't go around & say every win is because of Peyton & ever loss is because of EVERYBODY else but Peyton lol.
people like you are the reason he takes so much heat when they lose, because you act like everything that happens throughout the season is because of Peyton, except when they get bounced.
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^it's not a ridiculous logic or anything.
the Colts were the most winning NFL franchise in the last decade, but they could only win once; regular season games are no different than playoff games, except added pressure.
i say it all the time, you can't go around & say every win is because of Peyton & ever loss is because of EVERYBODY else but Peyton lol.
people like you are the reason he takes so much heat when they lose, because you act like everything that happens throughout the season is because of Peyton, except when they get bounced.
And if Peyton's QB rating in the last few losses wasn't stellar I'd agree. But he's played some phenomenal games since 05 in the playoffs and it seems the only ones they won were the ones he played mediocre in.
They simply don't have a designed fall back plan. When the pass isn't working or when the team isn't ahead they just pray they make a killer comeback. It's no way to run a football team. Even with Peyton I don't know how they always end up at the top of their division. And come playoff time, when you're supposed to kick it up a notch, the Colts seem to take it down a step.
I see a team that plays very relaxed during the season because they are confident they are going to win games, but they can't go for the jugular when it counts. They play scared and they panic, and until this year they could not stop a conventional run attack.
The only part of that team that is built to succeed is the pass game. Everything is else that team does is bonus. No sacks, ah well. No rush yards; yup that's expected. No INTs; you know how it goes. No 3 and outs; well those are rare. No 4 TD passes in one game; Peyton chokes again. It's ridiculous. I've never seen such a one dimensional team with so much success. That's why I call him the best; because he's the only QB on a winning team that is built entirely around passing the ball and nothing else. They simply aren't a winning team with out an elite level passer at QB. Every other winning team in NFL history as far as I'm concerned would still go over 8-8 with the back up. The 80s Niners. The 80s bears. The 80s and early 90s Redskins. The early and mid 90s Cowboys. The 70s Steelers. The 2000s Patriots. They may not have won the rings they won but they still would have been strong wild card contenders at the least.
The Colts with the back up QB in the last decade would have had the #1 pick every year in the draft. There's no other QB that played in the last 10 years that could have taken the Colts to the playoffs more than 4 times this decade. Not Favre (90s Favre maybe but not 2000s Favre), not Brady, not McNabb, not Roth, and not Brees. Peyton did it 9 times. This is what I truly believe. And I'm not delusional. Many years I tried to find ways to say a better game by the QB would have given them the win, but every time I break it down I don't see it. An absolutely perfect game by Peyton in this last Superbowl still would have meant a loss for the Colts.
I still can't believe they won in 06. Because they didn't deserve it.
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denver sucks
Good, i'm glad they suck. In football & hockey. McMadsen[he looks like marc madsen] & his ego at it again. Fool acts like his stuff don't stink. Tebow is a Florida QB & they don't do well in the pros. And Grossman doesn't count. He's the reason the Bears lost all their games in 2006. I feel for Quinn. He got a raw deal with the Clowns & never got the chance to shine there & now when you think he's getting his chance, his dumbass coach wastes a 1st round pick on another QB. Let Denver suck, its all good. McMadsen can coach Denver for as long as he wants ;D even their fans can't stand him.
Maybe Jacksonville shoulda tooken Tebow with their 1st pick & none of this woulda happened. And Ralph Wilson of the Bills was allegedly furious that Denver snatched up Tebow. He should be mad at the GM who didn't trade down & get Tebow, & mad at the GM for drafting another RB instead of major needs. Its like the Bills impersonated the Raiders bad drafting of the past this year. Fans might be helping the Bills pack their bags to Toronto even as I type.