West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: jabella on April 25, 2010, 03:28:43 AM
-
Dr Dre called into one of the major radio shows a few years ago, and announced that he wanted/was signing Bishop Lamont. The industry didn't give a shit. Bishop never blew.
That's why now when Dre signs someone, he partners with someone else, ie; HAYES signed/marketed by Dr Dre and Timbaland, and GAME now signed/marketed by Dr Dre and Pharrell (Startrak). When GAME first dropped it was Dr. Dre and 50 Cent. 50 Cent was Dr. Dre and Eminem.
Since 1999 Dre hasn't been able to break an artist himself.
Is he still the most anticipated west coast artist? Yes.
Is Aftermath still the potent force it was during 98-2005? No.
If Dre's single with Jay Z doesn't reach #1, he will be afraid to release Detox.
The clock is ticking.
-
Dre just needs an intense amount of motivation to actually do something. Wanting to jump start his label and working with someone new and talented are essential to Dre succeeding, like what happened with Eminem, which was perfect timing for both of them. Almost everyone got dicked over... Eve left Aftermath years ago (though she did get some Dre beats while on Ruff Ryders), Hittman was never to be heard from again, Truth Hurts didn't release anything significant other than Addictive, Rakim bounced, Raekwon bounced and Bishop was dropped. Only Eminem (who could already sell tons without Dre after The Slim Shady LP), 50 (who could already sell tons without Dre after Get Rich or Die Tryin'), Game (who still had enough buzz on his own) and Busta (who was already an established artist before working with Dre and Aftermath) really got the proper treatment.
-
Well the eminem situation was different,dre wasnt the powerful rich man he was back then.Eminem and dre saved eachothers careers sort to speak.
-
Well the eminem situation was different,dre wasnt the powerful rich man he was back then.Eminem and dre saved eachothers careers sort to speak.
Definitely. Eminem helped put Dre's name back at the top, and Dre basically made Eminem.
-
The fall of Dre? it's 2010 and you have idiots making 7+ page threads thinking a single is going to be released at a concert. He still has everyone by the balls with Detox
and Game's new album will be on Aftermath plus EM will be on Aftermath, so that's two huge albums on the label this year
-
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
-
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
not getting the Rakim album was the ultimate bullshit in hip hop history, Dre spared us from a wack bishop album
-
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
not getting the Rakim album was the ultimate bullshit in hip hop history, Dre spared us from a wack bishop album
totally agree with that, rakim over dre beats would've no doubt been great. don't really agree with the bishop part though, i'd like to have heard his album
-
the fall?
i'm pretty sure Eminem alone pushing albums keeps that label as relevant as anyone else.
Young Money got Wayne & Drake; Roc's got Jay & Kanye; & Aftermath has Slim, who sells as good as any of them.
-
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
I remember the reason for the Rakim album never dropping was because Rakim left due to some creative differences, along with Dre being as slow as he usually is. I recall there being some buzz about Dre wanting him to drop some gangsta-type shit but he didn't want to go that route.
-
The fall of Dre? it's 2010 and you have idiots making 7+ page threads thinking a single is going to be released at a concert. He still has everyone by the balls with Detox
and Game's new album will be on Aftermath plus EM will be on Aftermath, so that's two huge albums on the label this year
+1
-
Well the eminem situation was different,dre wasnt the powerful rich man he was back then.Eminem and dre saved eachothers careers sort to speak.
Definitely. Eminem helped put Dre's name back at the top, and Dre basically made Eminem.
yeah Eminem basically saved Aftermath
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
i partly blame Dre for no Bishop solo on Aftermath, but he doesn't own a % of the label.
-
Well the eminem situation was different,dre wasnt the powerful rich man he was back then.Eminem and dre saved eachothers careers sort to speak.
Definitely. Eminem helped put Dre's name back at the top, and Dre basically made Eminem.
yeah Eminem basically saved Aftermath
saved? he basically made the label
-
You can't have Aftermath without Eminem or Dr.Dre. 50 carried it on his back for a minute too but stopped. Now it's waiting for someone else to carry it.
-
didn't truth hurts go gold? i mean it wasn't like everybody was checc'n for her like that anyway yell
-
The fall of Dre? it's 2010 and you have idiots making 7+ page threads thinking a single is going to be released at a concert. He still has everyone by the balls with Detox
and Game's new album will be on Aftermath plus EM will be on Aftermath, so that's two huge albums on the label this year
+1
One of the smartest post ive seen from Long Beach, shot bro
-
What a stupid post... im as big as critic on the aftermath artists being dropped left and right but "the fall of aftermath?" yeah right. Go post this shit on sohh. you might get the response you want on there
-
Dre and Aftermath are in no danger of "falling". Dre still has value as a mega-hit producer. Aftermath dropping artists is nothing new. Labels scoop up talent all the time then get in the studio and see if they have anything they can work with, people really buy into the idea that because it's Dr. Dre that every artist he works with or project he touches is gonna automatically be a huge success and if it isn't, he's lost it. Few things though:
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
The Truth Hurts issue was far less about the sales than it was about Interscope taking a giant L on that sample clearance on the first single.
You can't have Aftermath without Eminem or Dr.Dre. 50 carried it on his back for a minute too but stopped. Now it's waiting for someone else to carry it.
Ther one thing I've noticed with Aftermath is they like having the full package. You need to have a story for the buying public to get into. I think even with Eminem, people liked him with the first album but the background with the second album was where he became the biggest superstar in the world. Same with 50. He had the mixtape crowd. He had the Ja Rule beef. He had the "Getting shot nine times" story. He was getting co-signed with Eminem at the time when Em was making a huge hit movie then Dre handed him "In Da Club". These were guys who had all the major selling points. With Game, it was a similar deal.
-
Game has yet to have a pivotal role in Aftermath's success like Dre, Em, or 50. He might get his chance on R.E.D. We'll see.
-
I don't think Dres single with Jay-Z is even gonna come out. They're gonna say they're pushing the release of the single back because of Game and Eminem, then it's gonna be because of 50, then they're gonna say the song is outdated and Dre wants to do something else.
-
I think it will. I'm hopeful.
-
Has Game been confirmed as being back on Aftermath?
-
the fall?
i'm pretty sure Eminem alone pushing albums keeps that label as relevant as anyone else.
Young Money got Wayne & Drake; Roc's got Jay & Kanye; & Aftermath has Slim, who sells as good as any of them.
Slim sells? Fuck outta here, nobody knows who he is
-
the fall?
i'm pretty sure Eminem alone pushing albums keeps that label as relevant as anyone else.
Young Money got Wayne & Drake; Roc's got Jay & Kanye; & Aftermath has Slim, who sells as good as any of them.
Slim sells? Fuck outta here, nobody knows who he is
Hes talking about slim shady,not slim tha mobster
-
Well the eminem situation was different,dre wasnt the powerful rich man he was back then.Eminem and dre saved eachothers careers sort to speak.
Definitely. Eminem helped put Dre's name back at the top, and Dre basically made Eminem.
yeah Eminem basically saved Aftermath
saved? he basically made the label
well i said saved, because the Aftermath deal was supposedly in danger ( mentioned in the Dr.Dre biography), my bad if it was just a rumour.
Has Game been confirmed as being back on Aftermath?
no
-
dre is da shit.
-
http://www.djsemtex.com/blog/2010/04/27/dr-dre-snippet/
is this HQ of the snippet with Ester Dean that leaked earlier?
-
http://www.djsemtex.com/blog/2010/04/27/dr-dre-snippet/
is this HQ of the snippet with Ester Dean that leaked earlier
surely that has to be fake, sounds like a modified voice to sound more like dre and the beat isn't anything great sounding either.
-
the HQ snippet was posted before, but i think the topic got deleted.
well it does sounds like Dre's voice to me...
-
Whatever it was sounded bad
-
Dre doesn't "need" to do shit. He's already proved himself as the Michael Jordan of hip-hop producers, and besides 2pac, probably the most influential person in Hip-Hop since he started around 88.
And remember he faded away much more back in 1998 then he has faded now, and he came back bigger than ever. So if he was able to re-emerge then, he can still do it now, and I'd say he's never left, because Em's recent album went platinum (his beats sounded great, Em fucked that album up), and just a few years ago Game and 50 Cent were going platinum on Aftermath, he's got the beats by Dre project blowing up... I would say he's still strong, and the leaked material still sounds great.
-
Dre & Cube should work together.And to make an album together.Hip-hop is needing this shit now.
-
Dre and Aftermath are in no danger of "falling". Dre still has value as a mega-hit producer. Aftermath dropping artists is nothing new. Labels scoop up talent all the time then get in the studio and see if they have anything they can work with, people really buy into the idea that because it's Dr. Dre that every artist he works with or project he touches is gonna automatically be a huge success and if it isn't, he's lost it. Few things though:
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
The Truth Hurts issue was far less about the sales than it was about Interscope taking a giant L on that sample clearance on the first single.
You can't have Aftermath without Eminem or Dr.Dre. 50 carried it on his back for a minute too but stopped. Now it's waiting for someone else to carry it.
Ther one thing I've noticed with Aftermath is they like having the full package. You need to have a story for the buying public to get into. I think even with Eminem, people liked him with the first album but the background with the second album was where he became the biggest superstar in the world. Same with 50. He had the mixtape crowd. He had the Ja Rule beef. He had the "Getting shot nine times" story. He was getting co-signed with Eminem at the time when Em was making a huge hit movie then Dre handed him "In Da Club". These were guys who had all the major selling points. With Game, it was a similar deal.
On point. None of the artists dropped by Aftermath were surprises. Maybe Raekwon was a surprise, because he was in the same position career-wise as Busta, whose album DID come out. But all the rest? None of those artists had an "in" for consumers -- Bishop, Stat Quo, even Rakim, etc. None of those guys had anything other to them than simply skills. Heck, even Rakim would've only been checked for by old school heads and us Aftermath core fans. That's just simply not enough return on investment. Bishop? I don't know one thing about him other than he's a rapper. There are tons of rappers out there. What Aftermath looks for is artists with a voice, something to say. When I think "Bishop Lamont's album," I think of Dr. Dre's possible beats for the album, not Bishop himself, you know? That's the problem right there.
-
Dre and Aftermath are in no danger of "falling". Dre still has value as a mega-hit producer. Aftermath dropping artists is nothing new. Labels scoop up talent all the time then get in the studio and see if they have anything they can work with, people really buy into the idea that because it's Dr. Dre that every artist he works with or project he touches is gonna automatically be a huge success and if it isn't, he's lost it. Few things though:
I got her album but it seems like after Truth Hurts album came out (which was JUST an aftermath release) and flopped, dre didnt wanna take any chances, which is probally why we never got a rakim album or bishop.
The Truth Hurts issue was far less about the sales than it was about Interscope taking a giant L on that sample clearance on the first single.
You can't have Aftermath without Eminem or Dr.Dre. 50 carried it on his back for a minute too but stopped. Now it's waiting for someone else to carry it.
Ther one thing I've noticed with Aftermath is they like having the full package. You need to have a story for the buying public to get into. I think even with Eminem, people liked him with the first album but the background with the second album was where he became the biggest superstar in the world. Same with 50. He had the mixtape crowd. He had the Ja Rule beef. He had the "Getting shot nine times" story. He was getting co-signed with Eminem at the time when Em was making a huge hit movie then Dre handed him "In Da Club". These were guys who had all the major selling points. With Game, it was a similar deal.
On point. None of the artists dropped by Aftermath were surprises. Maybe Raekwon was a surprise, because he was in the same position career-wise as Busta, whose album DID come out. But all the rest? None of those artists had an "in" for consumers -- Bishop, Stat Quo, even Rakim, etc. None of those guys had anything other to them than simply skills. Heck, even Rakim would've only been checked for by old school heads and us Aftermath core fans. That's just simply not enough return on investment. Bishop? I don't know one thing about him other than he's a rapper. There are tons of rappers out there. What Aftermath looks for is artists with a voice, something to say. When I think "Bishop Lamont's album," I think of Dr. Dre's possible beats for the album, not Bishop himself, you know? That's the problem right there.
^that says more about you than about Bishop Lamont