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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on April 26, 2010, 10:53:49 PM
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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/index.php/2010/03/rolling-stone-kevin-durant-better-than-kobe-bryant/
Kobe in reality has been no better than the second-best player in the league for about 18 months now — LeBron James passed him somewhere back in ‘08. He still had a legit claim to Alpha Dog status coming in to this year because he’d just won a championship. But there’s a big difference between being “in the conversation” for the top-dog status and being the third-best guy — and one who’s getting older. And that’s where he is, third, because Durant is suddenly poster-izing the whole league.
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lol well....Im definitely no Kobe fan. I like team players. But I wouldnt go THAT far yet. As a scorer...Durant is nuts. And this year I think he had a better overall year than Kobe. But he obviousy has a way to go and needs to do this consistently. Kobe has been taking a lot of heat for that game 4 performance tho...even from LA radio lol.
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you have to consider durant is giving all that he has, while kobe is thinking "we are gonna beat them anyways, im getting old, why would i work my ass off in the first round?"
but other than that, durant has been the better player in this series
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:loco:
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
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i dont think so, but i like him playing D on kobe, that height advantage is on point.. kobe hasnt even really been driving inside i agree with 7even
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
i dunno about the sixth man lol which playoff team would he be the second best player on?
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
i dunno about the sixth man lol which playoff team would he be the second best player on?
that's true, maybe not the second best player; but on just about any team, he'd play a big role, where the Lakers have the luxury of having him come off the bench.
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
i dunno about the sixth man lol which playoff team would he be the second best player on?
that's true, maybe not the second best player; but on just about any team, he'd play a big role, where the Lakers have the luxury of having him come off the bench.
i feel yah.
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Lets be honest, Kevin Durant is about 5 nba titles and 15 years away from surpassing Kobe. Its not even a competition. You have to contribute your whole career of consistent great play to be where Kobe is.
People are so quick to throw shit on the veteran and throw dickspit on the newbie.
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Lets be honest, Kevin Durant is about 5 nba titles and 15 years away from surpassing Kobe. Its not even a competition. You have to contribute your whole career of consistent great play to be where Kobe is.
People are so quick to throw shit on the veteran and throw dickspit on the newbie.
kind of funny that Kobe fans used to do the same thing....in a sad attempt to try and compare him to Jordan lol
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Kobe has not been himself for more than 2 months ... should have surgery when he got that finger broke plus that knee and ankle pbs are making him look like a grandfather on the court
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Lets be honest, Kevin Durant is about 5 nba titles and 15 years away from surpassing Kobe. Its not even a competition. You have to contribute your whole career of consistent great play to be where Kobe is.
People are so quick to throw shit on the veteran and throw dickspit on the newbie.
kind of funny that Kobe fans used to do the same thing....in a sad attempt to try and compare him to Jordan lol
fair comment mate, but my point still stands. Theres a difference between having one great year and having one great great career.
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Lets be honest, Kevin Durant is about 5 nba titles and 15 years away from surpassing Kobe. Its not even a competition. You have to contribute your whole career of consistent great play to be where Kobe is.
People are so quick to throw shit on the veteran and throw dickspit on the newbie.
kind of funny that Kobe fans used to do the same thing....in a sad attempt to try and compare him to Jordan lol
fair comment mate, but my point still stands. Theres a difference between having one great year and having one great great career.
agreed. I could take a single Allen Iverson season and make the argument that he is one of the top 3 players of all time. But obviously he isnt
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so how good does that make em then? lol
not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
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so how good does that make em then? lol
not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
apparently as good as OKC (2-2) lol
It isnt just about how good their 6th man is. The Spurs have Tony Parker as a 6th man...and he's a 3 time All Star and Finals MVP lol. Popovich likes to take a player like Parker...or Manu and make them a 6th man even tho they are better then anyone starting in their place because it creates a bench for you. As of now, you have a player like Parker coming in...and playing against another teams second string players.
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
when u say far from giving his all....do you mean by choice? Cus it appears like Kobe has mentally checked out at times. Pretty easy to kill any Jordan comparisons at this point lol
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
Kobe is giving his all ... he just looked 40 because he has too many injuries ... but I dont feel sorry for him , dude refused to have surgery and to rest for meaningless December games
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
when u say far from giving his all....do you mean by choice? Cus it appears like Kobe has mentally checked out at times. Pretty easy to kill any Jordan comparisons at this point lol
Last year the Lakers had the luxery of having so much talent, they didn't even need to be 100% there metally. They could still make major mistakes and win. This is not normal for a team that wins it all.
And now they are even less hungry, so they have even less focus. If they weren't so painfully talented they'd have no business even being in the playoffs.
With Kobe, I think he is sure of winning this series. He doesn't see Thunder as a legit opponent that might knock them out. With him being almost 32 and hurt, he chooses to be more of a faggy shooter than a hardcore driver as long as the Lakers can still win 4 of 7 games. I'm sure he will play differently against tougher teams. So will the Lakers. It's really annoying though, you want to see the best players and the best team to give their all... but with those fucking Lakers, they can afford to play like shit and still win cause they are ridiculously overpowered talent-wise. That's not the kind of champion I wanna see, and I still hate Chris Wallace for it.
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
when u say far from giving his all....do you mean by choice? Cus it appears like Kobe has mentally checked out at times. Pretty easy to kill any Jordan comparisons at this point lol
Last year the Lakers had the luxery of having so much talent, they didn't even need to be 100% there metally. They could still make major mistakes and win. This is not normal for a team that wins it all.
And now they are even less hungry, so they have even less focus. If they weren't so painfully talented they'd have no business even being in the playoffs.
With Kobe, I think he is sure of winning this series. He doesn't see Thunder as a legit opponent that might knock them out. With him being almost 32 and hurt, he chooses to be more of a faggy shooter than a hardcore driver as long as the Lakers can still win 4 of 7 games. I'm sure he will play differently against tougher teams. So will the Lakers. It's really annoying though, you want to see the best players and the best team to give their all... but with those fucking Lakers, they can afford to play like shit and still win cause they are ridiculously overpowered talent-wise. That's not the kind of champion I wanna see, and I still hate Chris Wallace for it.
Did the Lakers have more talent last year then this year?? How so?
And he better look at them as a legit opponent lol. I think the Lakers will still win. But this is how favorites get upset...especially when the West is pretty wide open this year. Not to mention, playing a young upstart team that is more athletic then them...not afraid of them...playing with more energy then them...and have the best scorer in the game. The Lakers better pray they make it out of round 1 and somehow turn into a completely better team for round 2. Cus playing how they are now....they would get whiped out by the Jazz.
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kevin durant? lol just because hes the scoring champ this year? besides that he got his team into the playoffs.
this thread is a joke. lol at all this KD hype, how can u put him in the discussion where he surpassed kobe? thats like saying t-mac or AI did. i mean how many of these new talent actually stay heathly and successful?
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
when u say far from giving his all....do you mean by choice? Cus it appears like Kobe has mentally checked out at times. Pretty easy to kill any Jordan comparisons at this point lol
Last year the Lakers had the luxery of having so much talent, they didn't even need to be 100% there metally. They could still make major mistakes and win. This is not normal for a team that wins it all.
And now they are even less hungry, so they have even less focus. If they weren't so painfully talented they'd have no business even being in the playoffs.
With Kobe, I think he is sure of winning this series. He doesn't see Thunder as a legit opponent that might knock them out. With him being almost 32 and hurt, he chooses to be more of a faggy shooter than a hardcore driver as long as the Lakers can still win 4 of 7 games. I'm sure he will play differently against tougher teams. So will the Lakers. It's really annoying though, you want to see the best players and the best team to give their all... but with those fucking Lakers, they can afford to play like shit and still win cause they are ridiculously overpowered talent-wise. That's not the kind of champion I wanna see, and I still hate Chris Wallace for it.
Did the Lakers have more talent last year then this year?? How so?
Nah, I didn't mean it like that. It's just that last year, the Lakers and especially Bryant were much hungrier. But even THEN they had shockingly little focus sometimes. Now it's even worse, cause they are obviously not that hungry anymore.
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Obviously we are not talking career-wise, cause that would be ridiculous. It's about who is the better player right now or recently. Durant is definitely playing better now, but I think Kobe is far from giving his all.
when u say far from giving his all....do you mean by choice? Cus it appears like Kobe has mentally checked out at times. Pretty easy to kill any Jordan comparisons at this point lol
Kobe has been playing injured for a while. His dumbass should of sat out the last couple of weeks (not just 4 games) of the regular season, seeing as how the Lakers played like shit anyways.
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has Durant surpassed Kobe? [/quote
lol shut the fuck up
these lakers/kobe haters are the biggest fucking idiots ever, they're sheep....they dont really believe the crap they say
this whole "most talented team in the nba" is overblown, thats just to discredit kobe.......just look at all the champions in history, they had great players and experience.......this team does not, our 2nd best player is not even close to being a hall of famer, just give kobe his props and stop acting like bitches
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embarrassing, the Laker's have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
they're not a typical 8 seed, fucking idiot.....stop embarrassing yourself
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i seen tha bobcats make it....like damn the bobcats....was jordan playin for em..lol
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ahhhhhh shhhhhh kobe has come back to get em...but holy shhh bynum has 21 points so far
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embarrassing, the Laker's have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
they're not a typical 8 seed, fucking idiot.....stop embarrassing yourself
8th seed on the west means 4th seed on the east
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but the Lakers are "sooooo great", it shouldn't matter, right? ;)
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but the Lakers are "sooooo great", it shouldn't matter, right? ;)
they are great, we have the best player in the NBA and we have couple of the best big men in the league.
if we played like how we played in game 5 every game the results would be the same too.
lebron would never be the greatest closer like kobe. lebrons a walking triple double, a legendary point foward but hes not a good down to the wire guy nor is he a jump shooter at heart (which hinders his ability to sink game winning buzzer beaters in his sleep like kobe does i mean cmon man the guys been hitting big shots since he was 19) and plus kobes been a better defender throughout his whole career.
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^a few years back , i witnessed him take a Cavaliers team with Big Z as the second best player to the NBA Finals; by his lonesome.
in relevance, i saw Kobe Bryant lose Shaq & the year after finish .500.
i'm not an expert in logic or anything, but that's a bit sus right there, no?
then you trade steal him Pau Gasol & he's right back in the Finals for two years, about to be three.
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^a few years back , i witnessed him take a Cavaliers team with Big Z as the second best player to the NBA Finals; by his lonesome.
in relevance, i saw Kobe Bryant lose Shaq & the year after finish .500.
i'm not an expert in logic or anything, but that's a bit sus right there, no?
then you trade steal him Pau Gasol & he's right back in the Finals for two years, about to be three.
yea AI did it too, all by himself scoring 40+ points basically the whole season and post season and reached the finals without passing the ball once (lol)
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^that's pretty impressive.
you know the gameplan, you know that one guy is going to try to beat you offensively, alone & he does; that's pretty ill & pretty embarrassing for other teams.
& like i said, i saw Kobe try to be "that guy" & failed epically.
personally, i feel LeBron has more than enough pieces to win this year, so no excuses for him if he doesn't; but the Lakers on the other hand can't possibly get any better than they are.
as a squad, this team has more talent than the 3-peat; easily.
if the Lakers doesn't win, it's as embarrassing as when my Yankees don't win the World Series.
anyway, to say LeBron, a man who who is a few assists & rebounds shy of averaging a triple-double & a man who can lead his team to 60+ wins can "never" achieve the same amount of greatness as Kobe is mind blowing.
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
the CELTICS have the best starting 5 son
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^^^^ Lakers are 6 players DEEP , the bench is wack except LO .... Cavs are stacked at every position .... I dont see how the Cavs beating us would be an embarrasment
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^"stacked". :D
the big men aren't even comparable; how many countless times have Laker fans shitted on Shaq on this board?
Kobe ">>>>>>>>>>" LeBron, right? ;)
Artest or Kobe guarding LeBron & would the other guard Jamison? i don't even know.
Odom coming off the bench?
the only X-Factor i see for the Cavs is if Mo Williams goes off from three.
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Lebron is better than Kobe now ....
Guards/SF bench players : Delonte/Gibson/Moon or Farmar/Brown/Walton ....
Lakers bigs are 3 deep , you got Gasol/Bynum/LO , yeah they are better than the 1st three Cavs bigs but then on one side you have Z , Hickson and Powe , on the other side you have DJ Mbenga and Powell...
Lakers 5 is better but it's not like Cavs one is weak ...but the bench matchups are not even closed
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not yet, but i guess you could say he's on his way.
pretty embaressing, the Lakers have the best starting five with a sixth man that would be the second best player on almost any other team & they can't the 8th seed.
nice. :D
the CELTICS have the best starting 5 son
Of course, that would explain why they were 4th seed....
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but the Lakers are "sooooo great", it shouldn't matter, right? ;)
they are great, we have the best player in the NBA and we have couple of the best big men in the league.
if we played like how we played in game 5 every game the results would be the same too.
lebron would never be the greatest closer like kobe. lebrons a walking triple double, a legendary point foward but hes not a good down to the wire guy nor is he a jump shooter at heart (which hinders his ability to sink game winning buzzer beaters in his sleep like kobe does i mean cmon man the guys been hitting big shots since he was 19) and plus kobes been a better defender throughout his whole career.
actually right now...the Lakers have the second best player in the league. And when the final MVP votes come in...probably the third best.
You cant say tho man, "if we played like...". Its not about how you can play...its about how you do play. If you took the Clippers best game this season you could say "if they played like that all the time...they would be champions".
I wouldnt say never as far as Lebron being a closer. Kobe wasnt always a great closer. I think people use that with Lebron cus he doesnt always have a deadly jumper. When he's hot...he's unstoppable. But for some reason, people always remember jump shots towards the end of games...and not drives to the hoop. Thats how Lebron beats you.
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lol
so thought provoking
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LMAO@thread title
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LMAO@thread title
for once I agree with you.
I think Durant has a ton of potential. And who KNOWS where he will end up as far as all time greats or whatever. He had a better year then Kobe IMO. But it takes a career to define somebody.