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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: YaKno7 on May 08, 2010, 08:50:54 PM
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Hip Hop in General in the mainstream so wack now a days, make a 4 Mic album and you get a pass. This thread is self explanatory:
R.E.D album needs:
Game to stop trying sound like a NY nigga or trying to fit in with their legends
Pharell & Neptunes on the label but just because they produced great records with Jay don't mean they will with u
More West Coast Production. Game has to be one of the only west coast niggaz that don't have authentic west coast music. He sounds far more east coast than anything
Learn to make a single without a feature. That 'Touchdown' shit of the L.A.X was single worthy even thoug it was a album cut
Please stop attempting to sound like 50 with ya hooks. 50 the last person you should try & imitate. If G unit come across you in NY...u already know what time it is
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less mainstream support.
too many mainstream features for sales purposes.
Game is at his best on his bangin' West Coast shit; he should stick to that instead of worrying about sales; he's had enough success to live the life a rapper wants even if he never sells more than 250K on an album again.
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as a listener, i just want dope honest material that reflects game's truth ala bang along, game's pain, where i'm form, etc. i want less cliche gagnsta shit as seen on lax
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less mainstream support.
too many mainstream features for sales purposes.
Game is at his best on his bangin' West Coast shit; he should stick to that instead of worrying about sales; he's had enough success to live the life a rapper wants even if he never sells more than 250K on an album again.
The suits @ the label fuck w/Game but it's all about the numbers. Looking back at his career..I don't think Game ever focused on TOP 40/Big Singles. Now a days it's more important than before. Game being 1 of the last west coast rappers needs to maintain his status. The label can drop him if he doesn't produce or go the profitable direction
This go round is very crucial that a top 40 record is produced
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I guarantee you that if game puts out the types of songs we've heard so far, this album will fail. He's trying to target the kids but the kids don't give a fuck about game to begin with. It's the same reason Snoop's last album failed. They will try to go for mainstream appeal but at the same time lose a lot of their core fanbase. What he needs to do is make a mainstream song that isn't complete shit.
As far as top 40, most rappers don't get a top 40. Game couldn't if he tried.
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He's a formulaic ass rapper just like the rest of the mainstream. Only thing with Game is he can't even get that shit right.
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
but he can't, that's the point!
he needs Dr.Dre as an executive producer to make a great album
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
but he can't, that's the point!
he needs Dr.Dre as an executive producer to make a great album
D.A was a dope album ....
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
but he can't, that's the point!
he needs Dr.Dre as an executive producer to make a great album
D.A was a dope album ....
'twas
game just needs banging production to make a good album. lets face it, he has very little/nothing of value to say whether it be honest, cliche or straight up stupid. we all listen to him for the beats and his delivery. i certainly pay little attention to what he's actually saying. as long as it rhymes, stays on-beat and sounds cool :bandit:
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
but he can't, that's the point!
he needs Dr.Dre as an executive producer to make a great album
D.A was a dope album ....
'twas
game just needs banging production to make a good album. lets face it, he has very little/nothing of value to say whether it be honest, cliche or straight up stupid. we all listen to him for the beats and his delivery. i certainly pay little attention to what he's actually saying. as long as it rhymes, stays on-beat and sounds cool :bandit:
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Game is just trying to stay relevant & it's not working; he's just looking/sounding stupid.
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it dont sound like a 4 mic album from the singles that came out , Shake ? Justin timberlake ? i bet lady gaga is on this album too
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you know what,FUCC MORE WEST COAST PRODUCTION! i'm tired of hearing that lame shit, just as long as the equal shit is knot should be all that matters, i don't give a fucc if that muthafucca rap'd over heels walking on the side walk with a ice cream trucc in the baccground if the shit is dope i'd fucc with it,i ain't even a fan of the muthafucca but if his shit turns out to be knot i'll give him his props no matter what he raps over yell
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so basically alot of west coast fans here don't care about lyrics only delivery and beats? yet y'all hate the south? haha that's why they like alot of they artist, come on my equals you got to like rhymes damn i wonder why a person like ras never caught on with alot of west coast fans yell
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game just needs banging production to make a good album. lets face it, he has very little/nothing of value to say whether it be honest, cliche or straight up stupid. we all listen to him for the beats and his delivery. i certainly pay little attention to what he's actually saying. as long as it rhymes, stays on-beat and sounds cool :bandit:
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truth. and that goes for a lot of other rappers too. dont know why everyone thinks he will pull off a "classic" album each time. come on, classics only come once in a great while, especially these days.
when it comes to a west coast artist, everyone criticizes every little thing.. hell, rappers should have like their own "batting average" :laugh:
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Maybe that's the problem with the West fans. It's not that we hate redudant overly-produced music with no substance. It's that we hate when it's not the type of redudant subject matter we grew up on. Artists are only "sell-outs" when they intentially cater to tastes we don't share. It's okay to make music with no soul as long as it reminds me of 1994 when I listen to it.
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jome didnt understand hahaha
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he's goin the snoop route... terrible neptunes production and flop album sales...
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Jimmy H hits the nail on the head, that's some networthy shit.
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so basically alot of west coast fans here don't care about lyrics only delivery and beats? yet y'all hate the south? haha that's why they like alot of they artist, come on my equals you got to like rhymes damn i wonder why a person like ras never caught on with alot of west coast fans yell
Production is the most important part of hip hop, and this is coming from someone who likes listening to lyricists. Hip hop is a MUSIC genre. It's simply not good music if it doesn't sound good. That said, lyrics are important as well. The thing about Game is that he is an average rapper, no more no less. His lyrics are decent enough that they won't bring down a hot beat. Those southern one hit wonders that were popular a couple years ago had lyrics and hooks so terrible that they were painfully obvious and destroyed any enjoyment of the production (which mostly sucked as well I might add).
Terrible lyrics + dope production = wack song
average lyrics + dope production = dope song
dope lyrics + terrible production = wack song
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Maybe that's the problem with the West fans. It's not that we hate redudant overly-produced music with no substance. It's that we hate when it's not the type of redudant subject matter we grew up on. Artists are only "sell-outs" when they intentially cater to tastes we don't share. It's okay to make music with no soul as long as it reminds me of 1994 when I listen to it.
damn that's exactly it yell
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so basically alot of west coast fans here don't care about lyrics only delivery and beats? yet y'all hate the south? haha that's why they like alot of they artist, come on my equals you got to like rhymes damn i wonder why a person like ras never caught on with alot of west coast fans yell
Production is the most important part of hip hop, and this is coming from someone who likes listening to lyricists. Hip hop is a MUSIC genre. It's simply not good music if it doesn't sound good. That said, lyrics are important as well. The thing about Game is that he is an average rapper, no more no less. His lyrics are decent enough that they won't bring down a hot beat. Those southern one hit wonders that were popular a couple years ago had lyrics and hooks so terrible that they were painfully obvious and destroyed any enjoyment of the production (which mostly sucked as well I might add).
Terrible lyrics + dope production = wack song
average lyrics + dope production = dope song
dope lyrics + terrible production = wack song
but it still all depends on what fans out here like as far as production, i mean some fans out here only want to here so called west coast production from when our coast was on top,and if it's not that,they look at it as wacc,and to me that's garbage, if you really listened close to the way the game tries to spit it's mostly some east coast shit! mixed in with some west coast themes,and he takes pics giving it up for the west, hell he don't even know what he wants to do hahaha, but at the same time that's where most of his appeal come from. you might figure out what he's gonna do in the end,but in the meantime you don't know if you are gonna get the apology,lame song,dope song, or fucc (insert rapper name)first. yell
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I don't care whether its west coast or east coast production. I want some dope production period. None of the shit we've heard from game so far is dope
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The Source ratings are no longer relevant
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I'd basically say Game needs to hold down an album on his own. Everyone of his previous albums had a who's who of A-list producers and guests. I'd like to see an album that has more of his personal touches on the creative end.
but he can't, that's the point!
he needs Dr.Dre as an executive producer to make a great album
Doctor's Advocate>>>>Documentary
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I have a better chance of winning the lotto than Game putting out a 4 mic album.
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what Game needs to do to have a 4 Mic album is scrap everything he's done for this album. ;)
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I just cant see it happening.And aint no way in hell da was better then documentary.But id take another da over another lax thats for sure.hes gotten worse every album.When I say that people get butt hurt because of da,but,replay value,da was alright but not great.the song structure and focus suffered without 50 and dre over looking the project.And lax reminded me of snoop without dre,a horrible mess with no direction.it made curtis looked like a cohesive album.I honestly hoped he would bounce back from red,but judging from the singles its going to be ven worse then lax.I didnt even think that was possible.
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i thought D.A. was a step below The Documentary.
i think it was pretty good, the production was nice, but overall, i didn't feel it like it did The Documentary.
& yeah LAX was blah; few solid/good cuts, but overall, lame.
& so far this sounds like this will be his worst; i think what we've heard already disqualifies RED as a contender for 4 Mics lol.
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1. All of these are Game albums so I'm not discounting his role in the albums' creation. His role is obvious and I shouldn't have to point it out. The following is minor commentary on outsiders,
Documentary = product of Aftermath (producers and song-writing = team effort)
This had dope production and, for game, decent lyrics; track arrangement and content reflective of Aftermath formula
Doctor's Advocate = product of aftermath (sans 50 song writing & Dre beats but still contribution from in-house producers)
Step down in production, step up in lyrics; has direction: homage to west coast legends (specifically dr.dre) and game's attempt to prove himself
LAX = product of Geffen?
step down in production, step down in lyrics; lacks direction
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LAX just didn't sound like an aftermath album like his previos two. However his lyrics stepped up on LAX, better than both but production wasn't up to par. Had some bangers though
1. All of these are Game albums so I'm not discounting his role in the albums' creation. His role is obvious and I shouldn't have to point it out. The following is minor commentary on outsiders,
Documentary = product of Aftermath (producers and song-writing = team effort)
This had dope production and, for game, decent lyrics; track arrangement and content reflective of Aftermath formula
Doctor's Advocate = product of aftermath (sans 50 song writing & Dre beats but still contribution from in-house producers)
Step down in production, step up in lyrics; has direction: homage to west coast legends (specifically dr.dre) and game's attempt to prove himself
LAX = product of Geffen?
step down in production, step down in lyrics; lacks direction
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You honestly think his lyrics were better?
I liked to see his experimentation at song writing (Never Can Say Goodbye) and I applaud at his attempts but most of them were miss.
People praise Let Us Live but all I see is song writing catastrophe where the hook doesn't match the verses and his bars seems to have been randomly placed.
Most of his lyrics on LAX were: cliche & unoriginal (This applies to: the majority of the tracks)
As a Game fan commenting on the music I enjoy listening to I thought his best produced album was the documentary and his best lyrical endeavour was Doctor's Advocate
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to me game perfected his flow on DA, it was choppy at times on the documentary. His lyrics no wayyy were better go and listen to both albums back to back. Let us live was dope as fuck, i saw you commented on it being random, i didn't see it as random. House of pain was ridiculous and was good lyrically. DA was more so him trying to be Dr Dre '64, chronic smoke, 50 this, compton, Dre, and everything repeated back and forth. Dont get me wrong i loved that album but it was not lyrically better. Just had better direction. Scream on em was maybe one of game's better lyrical tracks though
You honestly think his lyrics were better?
I liked to see his experimentation at song writing (Never Can Say Goodbye) and I applaud at his attempts but most of them were miss.
People praise Let Us Live but all I see is song writing catastrophe where the hook doesn't match the verses and his bars seems to have been randomly placed.
Most of his lyrics on LAX were: cliche & unoriginal (This applies to: the majority of the tracks)
As a Game fan commenting on the music I enjoy listening to I thought his best produced album was the documentary and his best lyrical endeavour was Doctor's Advocate
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to me game perfected his flow on DA, it was choppy at times on the documentary. His lyrics no wayyy were better go and listen to both albums back to back. Let us live was dope as fuck, i saw you commented on it being random, i didn't see it as random. House of pain was ridiculous and was good lyrically. DA was more so him trying to be Dr Dre '64, chronic smoke, 50 this, compton, Dre, and everything repeated back and forth. Dont get me wrong i loved that album but it was not lyrically better. Just had better direction. Scream on em was maybe one of game's better lyrical tracks though
It's funny you say that about DA and then cite House of Pain as an example of a lyrical track,
Where you from? (California)
What city? (Compton)
What you drive? (Impala)
What you smokin' on? (Chronic)
What you drinkin' on? (Patron)
What you sittin' on? (The throne)
Relax, make yourself at home
Um? What's going on here?
At least on Doctor's Advocate it was blatantly obvious he was paying homage where as on LAX it felt like he was trying to be something fresh but just failed at it horrible. That's to say, I'm fine with all the references made on Doctor's Advocate because they fit the direction & theme of the album but I'm not fine with the same material on LAX because it's presented as original and unique when it's trite, cliche, and boring.
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you just quoted a hook from house of pain.....not the actual verses
Guess its time to break the number 9 Jordan's in...
Make a nigga made..when they been tryna floor the benz..
Im doin 160 in the fast lane..
Scott Storch.. in his Bogadi..couldnt pass game..
I got it made like my last name..
Im gone..juss like my After-math Chain..
Dont make me take you back to '96...
leanin on that dostin..on the corner..eatin catfish..
The Game..Da-Da-Da-Game..spit dat shit..
Im controversial..like the Afro-pic with the Black fist..
Jus ask the rapper that had to catch my last diss...
Im reckless..and i aint never crash wips..
My pops wasnt around..so this bastard..
bleed california from the cradle to the Casket...
and i wont stop ridin for my coast..
niggas keep talkin bout my bread...we gonna make toast..
3rd verse killed it
to me game perfected his flow on DA, it was choppy at times on the documentary. His lyrics no wayyy were better go and listen to both albums back to back. Let us live was dope as fuck, i saw you commented on it being random, i didn't see it as random. House of pain was ridiculous and was good lyrically. DA was more so him trying to be Dr Dre '64, chronic smoke, 50 this, compton, Dre, and everything repeated back and forth. Dont get me wrong i loved that album but it was not lyrically better. Just had better direction. Scream on em was maybe one of game's better lyrical tracks though
It's funny you say that about DA and then cite House of Pain as an example of a lyrical track,
Where you from? (California)
What city? (Compton)
What you drive? (Impala)
What you smokin' on? (Chronic)
What you drinkin' on? (Patron)
What you sittin' on? (The throne)
Relax, make yourself at home
Um? What's going on here?
At least on Doctor's Advocate it was blatantly obvious he was paying homage where as on LAX it felt like he was trying to be something fresh but just failed at it horrible. That's to say, I'm fine with all the references made on Doctor's Advocate because they fit the direction & theme of the album but I'm not fine with the same material on LAX because it's presented as original and unique when it's trite, cliche, and boring.
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we will see when r.e.d drops...i have 2 admit i dont agree wit all that pharrell shit he might have on the album...although that track list leaked might notbe the right one...i jus hop he doesnt have alot of pharrell joints beause i think he might miss..
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lol @ that pic of nipsey in your sig he looks like his mom dressed him to gang bang.Whats with wearing shorts and high socks,is he a 67 year old man?He looks like a strong wind would knock him over.
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Yeah, but you prove my point with your quotes. It's just a random collection of bars strung together. There's no central topic.